Rob Smith - OMAS?

[Ymarsakar]

Jeshua causing problems always reminded me of my own quests. Cause that is how I am perceived as well.

Same for Andrew Tate, Donald, Tucker, and on and on. If Satan's own humans aren't pushing back against you, you aren't doing GOd's work. But the level of fighting between the two polarities is also below the level of a true god.

People keep saying stay in your lane and obey human majority society. I was never good at that. I didn't come here to make peace with Satan's own human slaves. My mission is different from that. Peace is for the peaceful. War is for thewarmongers. Sharp chastisement is in store for those that have strayed. Those that have not, are praised and blessed. That is justice.

[marc]

It seems like we are conflating things here.

Rob may have seen God and received some kind of promise from him. It is impossible to know with surety unless God tells us personally.
Regardless though that means absolutely nothing to us in our journey back to God. Certainly, Rob may have some insights to share or he may not.

Seeing God doesn't mean you are correct in all things.
Seeing God doesn't mean you will never be wrong.
Seeing God doesn't mean you are the OMAS.
Seeing God doesn't mean you have frankly done anything correct.

Saul is a perfect example. He saw God while he was actively killing and imprisoning people who almost certainly didn't see God themselves.
Those people should have denied Christ so they could have lived, then lived a good life in the hopes they could see Christ before they died, otherwise by dying for Christ and not seeing him they are less than others?

The point is...If God will manifest himself to Rob or to Denver or others as He has by the testimonies I have from them, then why not me? Does God love them more than me? What am I not doing that they have done and/or are doing? Furthermore, the point is I want that, too. Nephi watered his pillow by night for his brothers. Why? Because he loved them and he wanted them to have what he had. Rob wants others to have what he has. So he exerts a lot of energy to persuade others that they can do what he did. And if God will show himself to Paul, surely He will show Himself to any of us. Ask and it shall be given, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened.

There are many gods. THeir god ain't your god.

"Their?" I know Rob well enough to know he is preaching and has always preached about Jesus Christ. When I say God, I mean Jesus Christ, aka YHWH, aka my LORD. I don't know who you're talking about.

[Ymarsakar]

The point is...If God will manifest himself to Rob or to Denver or others as He has by the testimonies I have from them, then why not me? Does God love them more than me? What am I not doing that they have done and/or are doing? Furthermore, the point is I want that, too. Nephi watered his pillow by night for his brothers. Why? Because he loved them and he wanted them to have what he had. Rob wants others to have what he has. So he exerts a lot of energy to persuade others that they can do what he did. And if God will show himself to Paul, surely He will show Himself to any of us. Ask and it shall be given, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened.

There are many gods. THeir god ain't your god.

"Their?" I know Rob well enough to know he is preaching and has always preached about Jesus Christ. When I say God, I mean Jesus Christ, aka YHWH, aka my LORD. I don't know who you're talking about.

What does knowing Rob have to do with knowing the same entity is talking to you and Rob?

You can say whatever you want, but how do you determine that you are talking to the same god that Rob is talking to?

Names don't matter, because LORD=Baal. Is your god baal?

[marc]

I just told you who my God is. I spelled it out for you plainly. I'm not interested in any further dialog with you. Have a nice day.

[Ymarsakar]

I just told you who my God is. I spelled it out for you plainly. I'm not interested in any further dialog with you. Have a nice day.

And like I said, you can spell it out whoever you want, lord, baal, whatever.

By your own admission, you don't have the same experience as Rob Smith has with Jeshua. So the idea that you two are communicating with the entity, lacks independent witnesses and corroborating evidence, especially since the MANNER in which the communication is done, is very different or lacking.

Farewell, consider your position better next time if you wish to converse with me.

If you aren't interested in rational and equal conversation, then don't ask me questions, Marc. Ever again.

[marc]

I didn't ask you any questions here nor did i pursue you for any opinions or advice to begin with. You are the one who quoted me more than once and engaged me in this thread. You seem to be the one who won't go away. I mean you no ill will. Have a nice day. Goodbye.

[Ymarsakar]

If God will manifest himself to Rob or to Denver or others as He has by the testimonies I have from them, then why not me?

There are many gods. THeir god ain't your god.

"Their?"

I didn't ask you any questions here

If you didn't ask these questions, then you need to explain why you or your god is writing this stuff.

I'm not interested in any further dialog with you or your gods. Have a nice day.

[marc]

That was a rhetorical question aimed at Telavian, NOT YOU. In simpler terms, it was an A (Telavian) and B (me) conversation. Thank you for C-ing your way out.

[Chip]

The long goodbye.

[Ymarsakar]

Humans, so full of fury and rhetoric. Yet the might of the heavens will destroy them nonetheless as they yap on, moan on, and whine until the end of days.

Spiritual substance and freedom, that they have never known.

Remember humans. Speak softly. DOn't offend satan's own. Stay in your lane. ANd if someone asks a question in a public room, you must stay out of the conversation or you will have a "good day".

Does this look like Marc's god is the same as Rob smith's god?

Hell no. News flash, there are many gods and divine entities. Also dark entities. But everyone follows jeshua. Yea right humans, pull the other one at Nordstream

[jack]

Let me preface everything by saying I am not someone that has actively tried to identify the OMAS. And Denver Snuffer was really the only person who I even seriously considered as a possibility.

Most that either claim it or have it claimed in their behalf quickly disqualify themselves in my mind. Rob is not perfect, but he has not disqualified himself according to my judgement. He is the ONLY person in my 59.9 years that have asked them if they are the OMAS.

And there are several people that a HIGLY respect that have NOT disqualified themselves, but it just simply does not enter my mind that they are the OMAS.

Well, for a couple of days now, I have been getting a weird prompting to straight up ask Rob Smith if he is the OMAS. Then he posted the video linked below - he doesn't make any specific claims but he mentions the OMAS, and there is a ton of other stuff, I recommend giving it a listen with a broken heart and a contrite spirit.- suffice it to say, I have asked and I will not be sharing the response unless I am prompted to do so.

Thanks.
I enjoyed another of his videos talked about water quality mostly.
Can you tell me his name also where he lives? Just curious

Rob Smith lives in Montana somewhere close to the University of Montana where he used to be a professor until he was forced out.

[Telavian]

Hell no. News flash, there are many gods and divine entities. Also dark entities. But everyone follows jeshua. Yea right humans, pull the other one at Nordstream

In modern Christianity we are conditioned to think of a single Godhead that has all the power and a single opposite force, Satan. However, this simplistic view is almost certainly not correct.

Why could Satan walk into God's presence and demand anything according to Job?
Why does God have a divine council with lesser beings?
Why does God say he turned the nations over to other God?
Why is Jehovah the chief among the Elohim if there is no other Elohim?

I would recommend Michael Heiser's book "The Unseen Realm" which explains things biblically.

[simpleton]

I don't believe that the OMAS knows he's the OMAS...yet. I believe he is being kept hidden by the Lord akin to Isaiah 49:2 until the Lord calls him like Enoch was called (JST Genesis 14). If the OMAS were revealed before his time, being exposed, he would be the target of destruction by all the evil forces of Satan. He must first be called and empowered to do his work when it is time to do his work. Just my two cents.

I believe the OMAS is the resurrected Joseph Smith, not a sagebrush prophet.

I believe the OMAS is the OMAS. I'm leaning toward the sagebrush variety but if it's JS, that would be cool as well. Like John the Baptist, the wild man in the country that scares the stuffy , self righteous types as he eats wild honey and locusts.

Personally, I think that the instant a OMAS claimant gets on here, or on any media for that matter, or in the street, and starts making his claims to try and convince the masses that he is the "ONE", is a good sign/indication that he is NOT the "ONE", (and, along with any blind followers).

1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

2He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street........

13The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

14I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.

[NeveR]

I really like Rob Smith's comment on polygamy (from the comments on the vid OP linked to (my emphasis)

---QUOTE---

"...We live in a world where hardly anyone who is married ought to be, and where anyone considering it is almost surely making an enormous mistake. People are so wicked that marriage (mono) has ceased to be something that most people should do, and has become something only very righteous people should do. Anyone else is walking into hell on earth when every reason has been given to expect precisely that.

If this is true of monogamous relationships, how much more true is it for polygamy, which is so much more difficult and unlikely to be beneficial. That being said, if someone wants to walk into the fire of whatever marriage they want, and I've said my peace about why they should not, I have nothing more to say about it, so long as they are not coercing others into doing so. I will not be among them, barring some unforeseen miracle greater than Moses parting the Red Sea. I believe the quality of people is so bad today that if I suddenly found myself as single as as an individually wrapped slice of cheese, I would be utterly without any example of anyone I'd ever want to entertain the idea of dating. I know far too much about human nature at this point, and I would not be surprised if all hypothetical righteous women felt the same about men.

I happen to have wonderful reasons why there is a time and a circumstance where, for very specific kinds of people, polygamy is the best possible option. But I know of none of what is required for that to be the case being around right now, at least from what I've seen.

Polygamy is not some gateway to heaven, nor is it the point of anything in and of itself. It's a consolation for the rarity of very good men and the existence of very good women, and it's still something that would only apply to very few of them who happened to see it as a good thing in their situation. I do not see any very good men or very good women right now, so what is the need to talk about any of this right now? Why not just focus on helping people become better men and women?

There are a million things to talk about that are more important than polygamy, not just because they all must be understood before this can be understood, but because they are also much more important than polygamy. No one will ever understand them while they are not yet living up to what they do understand. We can't just look past our willful sin and expect to understand or properly judge what lies beyond.

It seems to me that there are two kinds of people who will not stop bringing up polygamy: 1) those who know they are living in sin, and are desperate for some reason to write off one who is calling them out on it, and 2) those whose hearts of full of lust who love anything that allows their fantasy of what relationships are to continue.

I only bring up the topic because eventually some people will be living this for all the right reasons, and when they do, it will not be a red flag nor a sign that they had ulterior motives in anything else they did before. The point (again, much more general than polygamy) is that anyone who knows God better than you is going to believe in things that you do not believe. If your rule is to judge them by the similarity of what you presently believe, you will absolutely cut yourself off from knowing more about God than you presently do...."

---END QUOTE---


Personally I think a LOT of guys who support polygamy, either overtly or by implication, fall into the second category Rob lists - lustful older guys with bad marriages who stick with a wife they can't stand in hopes of getting to be able to do it "chastely" with a dozen hot girls in Eternity. Awful sad, debased and tragic. Because this is NOT being loyal to your marriage in life, it's just another form of adultery and betrayal.

[FrankOne]

I really like Rob Smith's comment on polygamy (from the comments on the vid OP linked to (my emphasis)

---QUOTE---

"...We live in a world where hardly anyone who is married ought to be, and where anyone considering it is almost surely making an enormous mistake. People are so wicked that marriage (mono) has ceased to be something that most people should do, and has become something only very righteous people should do. Anyone else is walking into hell on earth when every reason has been given to expect precisely that.

If this is true of monogamous relationships, how much more true is it for polygamy, which is so much more difficult and unlikely to be beneficial. That being said, if someone wants to walk into the fire of whatever marriage they want, and I've said my peace about why they should not, I have nothing more to say about it, so long as they are not coercing others into doing so. I will not be among them, barring some unforeseen miracle greater than Moses parting the Red Sea. I believe the quality of people is so bad today that if I suddenly found myself as single as as an individually wrapped slice of cheese, I would be utterly without any example of anyone I'd ever want to entertain the idea of dating. I know far too much about human nature at this point, and I would not be surprised if all hypothetical righteous women felt the same about men.

I happen to have wonderful reasons why there is a time and a circumstance where, for very specific kinds of people, polygamy is the best possible option. But I know of none of what is required for that to be the case being around right now, at least from what I've seen.

Polygamy is not some gateway to heaven, nor is it the point of anything in and of itself. It's a consolation for the rarity of very good men and the existence of very good women, and it's still something that would only apply to very few of them who happened to see it as a good thing in their situation. I do not see any very good men or very good women right now, so what is the need to talk about any of this right now? Why not just focus on helping people become better men and women?

There are a million things to talk about that are more important than polygamy, not just because they all must be understood before this can be understood, but because they are also much more important than polygamy. No one will ever understand them while they are not yet living up to what they do understand. We can't just look past our willful sin and expect to understand or properly judge what lies beyond.

It seems to me that there are two kinds of people who will not stop bringing up polygamy: 1) those who know they are living in sin, and are desperate for some reason to write off one who is calling them out on it, and 2) those whose hearts of full of lust who love anything that allows their fantasy of what relationships are to continue.

I only bring up the topic because eventually some people will be living this for all the right reasons, and when they do, it will not be a red flag nor a sign that they had ulterior motives in anything else they did before. The point (again, much more general than polygamy) is that anyone who knows God better than you is going to believe in things that you do not believe. If your rule is to judge them by the similarity of what you presently believe, you will absolutely cut yourself off from knowing more about God than you presently do...."

---END QUOTE---


Personally I think a LOT of guys who support polygamy, either overtly or by implication, fall into the second category Rob lists - lustful older guys with bad marriages who stick with a wife they can't stand in hopes of getting to be able to do it "chastely" with a dozen hot girls in Eternity. Awful sad, debased and tragic. Because this is NOT being loyal to your marriage in life, it's just another form of adultery and betrayal.

As a picture is painted of what is in the mind and heart, the oil being applied on the canvas , the colors of rouge and black and blood. Then stepping back and declaring in pride "There! this is what is in the hearts of men that discuss polygamy! THERE!" . Look at it! I painted it , therefore it is true! Then comes an outside observer and after studying the painting, looks at the artist very carefully and remarks:

"You have only painted what is imprinted in your own heart, a dark judgement of pain which now condemns you in oil"... "Until you discover this and let it go, you will carry the pain as a weight on your soul"

[tmac]

I really like Rob Smith's comment on polygamy (from the comments on the vid OP linked to (my emphasis)

---QUOTE---

"...We live in a world where hardly anyone who is married ought to be, and where anyone considering it is almost surely making an enormous mistake. People are so wicked that marriage (mono) has ceased to be something that most people should do, and has become something only very righteous people should do. Anyone else is walking into hell on earth when every reason has been given to expect precisely that.

If this is true of monogamous relationships, how much more true is it for polygamy, which is so much more difficult and unlikely to be beneficial. That being said, if someone wants to walk into the fire of whatever marriage they want, and I've said my peace about why they should not, I have nothing more to say about it, so long as they are not coercing others into doing so. I will not be among them, barring some unforeseen miracle greater than Moses parting the Red Sea. I believe the quality of people is so bad today that if I suddenly found myself as single as as an individually wrapped slice of cheese, I would be utterly without any example of anyone I'd ever want to entertain the idea of dating. I know far too much about human nature at this point, and I would not be surprised if all hypothetical righteous women felt the same about men.

I happen to have wonderful reasons why there is a time and a circumstance where, for very specific kinds of people, polygamy is the best possible option. But I know of none of what is required for that to be the case being around right now, at least from what I've seen.

Polygamy is not some gateway to heaven, nor is it the point of anything in and of itself. It's a consolation for the rarity of very good men and the existence of very good women, and it's still something that would only apply to very few of them who happened to see it as a good thing in their situation. I do not see any very good men or very good women right now, so what is the need to talk about any of this right now? Why not just focus on helping people become better men and women?

There are a million things to talk about that are more important than polygamy, not just because they all must be understood before this can be understood, but because they are also much more important than polygamy. No one will ever understand them while they are not yet living up to what they do understand. We can't just look past our willful sin and expect to understand or properly judge what lies beyond.

It seems to me that there are two kinds of people who will not stop bringing up polygamy: 1) those who know they are living in sin, and are desperate for some reason to write off one who is calling them out on it, and 2) those whose hearts of full of lust who love anything that allows their fantasy of what relationships are to continue.

I only bring up the topic because eventually some people will be living this for all the right reasons, and when they do, it will not be a red flag nor a sign that they had ulterior motives in anything else they did before. The point (again, much more general than polygamy) is that anyone who knows God better than you is going to believe in things that you do not believe. If your rule is to judge them by the similarity of what you presently believe, you will absolutely cut yourself off from knowing more about God than you presently do...."

---END QUOTE---


Personally I think a LOT of guys who support polygamy, either overtly or by implication, fall into the second category Rob lists - lustful older guys with bad marriages who stick with a wife they can't stand in hopes of getting to be able to do it "chastely" with a dozen hot girls in Eternity. Awful sad, debased and tragic. Because this is NOT being loyal to your marriage in life, it's just another form of adultery and betrayal.

I basically agree with RS on this issue. As for NVR’s conclusion(s), there may be some truth to that as well, but my guess is it is pure speculation, just as most of the basis for most peoples’ positions on polygamy is. Lots of opinions based almost entirely on personal biases and speculation.

[NeveR]

I really like Rob Smith's comment on polygamy (from the comments on the vid OP linked to (my emphasis)

---QUOTE---

"...We live in a world where hardly anyone who is married ought to be, and where anyone considering it is almost surely making an enormous mistake. People are so wicked that marriage (mono) has ceased to be something that most people should do, and has become something only very righteous people should do. Anyone else is walking into hell on earth when every reason has been given to expect precisely that.

If this is true of monogamous relationships, how much more true is it for polygamy, which is so much more difficult and unlikely to be beneficial. That being said, if someone wants to walk into the fire of whatever marriage they want, and I've said my peace about why they should not, I have nothing more to say about it, so long as they are not coercing others into doing so. I will not be among them, barring some unforeseen miracle greater than Moses parting the Red Sea. I believe the quality of people is so bad today that if I suddenly found myself as single as as an individually wrapped slice of cheese, I would be utterly without any example of anyone I'd ever want to entertain the idea of dating. I know far too much about human nature at this point, and I would not be surprised if all hypothetical righteous women felt the same about men.

I happen to have wonderful reasons why there is a time and a circumstance where, for very specific kinds of people, polygamy is the best possible option. But I know of none of what is required for that to be the case being around right now, at least from what I've seen.

Polygamy is not some gateway to heaven, nor is it the point of anything in and of itself. It's a consolation for the rarity of very good men and the existence of very good women, and it's still something that would only apply to very few of them who happened to see it as a good thing in their situation. I do not see any very good men or very good women right now, so what is the need to talk about any of this right now? Why not just focus on helping people become better men and women?

There are a million things to talk about that are more important than polygamy, not just because they all must be understood before this can be understood, but because they are also much more important than polygamy. No one will ever understand them while they are not yet living up to what they do understand. We can't just look past our willful sin and expect to understand or properly judge what lies beyond.

It seems to me that there are two kinds of people who will not stop bringing up polygamy: 1) those who know they are living in sin, and are desperate for some reason to write off one who is calling them out on it, and 2) those whose hearts of full of lust who love anything that allows their fantasy of what relationships are to continue.

I only bring up the topic because eventually some people will be living this for all the right reasons, and when they do, it will not be a red flag nor a sign that they had ulterior motives in anything else they did before. The point (again, much more general than polygamy) is that anyone who knows God better than you is going to believe in things that you do not believe. If your rule is to judge them by the similarity of what you presently believe, you will absolutely cut yourself off from knowing more about God than you presently do...."

---END QUOTE---


Personally I think a LOT of guys who support polygamy, either overtly or by implication, fall into the second category Rob lists - lustful older guys with bad marriages who stick with a wife they can't stand in hopes of getting to be able to do it "chastely" with a dozen hot girls in Eternity. Awful sad, debased and tragic. Because this is NOT being loyal to your marriage in life, it's just another form of adultery and betrayal.

As a picture is painted of what is in the mind and heart, the oil being applied on the canvas , the colors of rouge and black and blood. Then stepping back and declaring in pride "There! this is what is in the hearts of men that discuss polygamy! THERE!" . Look at it! I painted it , therefore it is true! Then comes an outside observer and after studying the painting, looks at the artist very carefully and remarks:

"You have only painted what is imprinted in your own heart, a dark judgement of pain which now condemns you in oil"... "Until you discover this and let it go, you will carry the pain as a weight on your soul"

You think I secretly want to be married to a bunch of hot babes in Eternity?

No, I would be happy to just be with my man - whom I love completely. And I would hope he feels the same about me. But if I knew he was just putting up with me so he could get to the CK where he was hoping to be united with a bunch of women he liked much better than me I would be devastated, hurt and betrayed.

Hence my comment.

And I didn't say everyone who supports polygamy falls into that group - just a lot of older men with unhappy marriages. I know of at least two from personal experience, and it saddens me

[tmac]

. . . just a lot of older men with unhappy marriages. I know of at least two from personal experience, and it saddens me

Classic example of how these discussions go.

Most people don’t even know a single polygamist by name, and have zero actual experience with the subject, yet they pontificate as experts.

In this case, asserted familiarity with two possible examples is then speculatively generalized to conclude that it applies to “a lot of older men.”

Like I’ve said before, it is mostly just speculation and biased personal opinions that drive most discussions on this subject.

[FrankOne]

I really like Rob Smith's comment on polygamy (from the comments on the vid OP linked to (my emphasis)

---QUOTE---

"...We live in a world where hardly anyone who is married ought to be, and where anyone considering it is almost surely making an enormous mistake. People are so wicked that marriage (mono) has ceased to be something that most people should do, and has become something only very righteous people should do. Anyone else is walking into hell on earth when every reason has been given to expect precisely that.

If this is true of monogamous relationships, how much more true is it for polygamy, which is so much more difficult and unlikely to be beneficial. That being said, if someone wants to walk into the fire of whatever marriage they want, and I've said my peace about why they should not, I have nothing more to say about it, so long as they are not coercing others into doing so. I will not be among them, barring some unforeseen miracle greater than Moses parting the Red Sea. I believe the quality of people is so bad today that if I suddenly found myself as single as as an individually wrapped slice of cheese, I would be utterly without any example of anyone I'd ever want to entertain the idea of dating. I know far too much about human nature at this point, and I would not be surprised if all hypothetical righteous women felt the same about men.

I happen to have wonderful reasons why there is a time and a circumstance where, for very specific kinds of people, polygamy is the best possible option. But I know of none of what is required for that to be the case being around right now, at least from what I've seen.

Polygamy is not some gateway to heaven, nor is it the point of anything in and of itself. It's a consolation for the rarity of very good men and the existence of very good women, and it's still something that would only apply to very few of them who happened to see it as a good thing in their situation. I do not see any very good men or very good women right now, so what is the need to talk about any of this right now? Why not just focus on helping people become better men and women?

There are a million things to talk about that are more important than polygamy, not just because they all must be understood before this can be understood, but because they are also much more important than polygamy. No one will ever understand them while they are not yet living up to what they do understand. We can't just look past our willful sin and expect to understand or properly judge what lies beyond.

It seems to me that there are two kinds of people who will not stop bringing up polygamy: 1) those who know they are living in sin, and are desperate for some reason to write off one who is calling them out on it, and 2) those whose hearts of full of lust who love anything that allows their fantasy of what relationships are to continue.

I only bring up the topic because eventually some people will be living this for all the right reasons, and when they do, it will not be a red flag nor a sign that they had ulterior motives in anything else they did before. The point (again, much more general than polygamy) is that anyone who knows God better than you is going to believe in things that you do not believe. If your rule is to judge them by the similarity of what you presently believe, you will absolutely cut yourself off from knowing more about God than you presently do...."

---END QUOTE---


Personally I think a LOT of guys who support polygamy, either overtly or by implication, fall into the second category Rob lists - lustful older guys with bad marriages who stick with a wife they can't stand in hopes of getting to be able to do it "chastely" with a dozen hot girls in Eternity. Awful sad, debased and tragic. Because this is NOT being loyal to your marriage in life, it's just another form of adultery and betrayal.

As a picture is painted of what is in the mind and heart, the oil being applied on the canvas , the colors of rouge and black and blood. Then stepping back and declaring in pride "There! this is what is in the hearts of men that discuss polygamy! THERE!" . Look at it! I painted it , therefore it is true! Then comes an outside observer and after studying the painting, looks at the artist very carefully and remarks:

"You have only painted what is imprinted in your own heart, a dark judgement of pain which now condemns you in oil"... "Until you discover this and let it go, you will carry the pain as a weight on your soul"

You think I secretly want to be married to a bunch of hot babes in Eternity?

No, I would be happy to just be with my man - whom I love completely. And I would hope he feels the same about me. But if I knew he was just putting up with me so he could get to the CK where he was hoping to be united with a bunch of women he liked much better than me I would be devastated, hurt and betrayed.

Hence my comment.

And I didn't say everyone who supports polygamy falls into that group - just a lot of older men with unhappy marriages. I know of at least two from personal experience, and it saddens me

I was specifically addressing the feeling behind your words, not your words.

[Telavian]

Does everything devolve into a discussion about polygamy?

[FrankOne]

Does everything devolve into a discussion about polygamy?

thanks for the chuckle.

as I exit stage left.

[tmac]

Does everything devolve into a discussion about polygamy?

On LDSFF, it seems to.

If LDSFF is any indication, the next civil war will be fought over the issue of polygamy — and not even the right to practice it, but more about the theoretical question of whether JS ever did in any form or fashion, whether in reality, or only in theory, and/or whether or not God has ever condoned the practice and/or found it acceptable.

It could probably boil down to one simple question: Is plural marriage always and in all circumstances considered adultery in God’s eyes?

If LDSFF is any indication, that is what the next civil war will be fought over.

[An Eye Single]

Beyond polygamy, I think that what FrankOne posted above about the painting has so much application to the majority of the comments on this thread. It resonates deeply with me and is, imo, exactly the reason why most people will miss the OMAS, whoever he may be.

Most people know that I have had the opportunity to be the voice for the audiobook versions of several of Rob’s books, and quite honestly, I don’t understand why there aren’t more people rejoicing at the fact that there is someone finally teaching fundamental and foundational principles of the gospel in their correct form. I’m not talking about tangential things or appendages of the gospel. Heaven knows that one’s correct understanding of those things will only come when there is a sure foundation to build upon, and even when people have that sure foundation, sanctification is a whole other ball of wax. Each of us need to be able to be persuaded to lose all of the false ideas and traditions we hold, and that is quite a unique and individual process, on top of the fact that it is a difficult process and one that people have a tendency to inevitably put up stakes against, at some point. We draw lines in the sand that we don’t even recognize as such. Rather, I’m talking about the doctrine of Christ, which is based upon his gospel.

Through Jesus Christ, God has provided a way for each of us to become like him by attaining and maintaining a state of sinlessness. Does anybody actually believe that we can become like God in any other way?

We have to believe in “the fulness of his gospel.”

Whether or not Rob is the OMAS, I thank God for sending someone who articulates, in words, what I have believed in my heart all my life and for the fruits a state of sinlessness has yielded in my life.

[tmac]

Getting back to RS, I do have a couple basic, practical, where-the-rubber-meets-the-road type questions: What is his marital status? Does he have children?

Maybe it’s just me, but to me he comes across as quite rigid, and someone who might be fairly prone to being a micro-managing control freak. Is it just me?

The question I can’t help asking is how could a spouse and/or children ever measure up?

I’ve been around a few people like that, and, at least in my experience, it’s not really much fun. And, if a person were evaluating the joy of living the gospel based on their vibe, aura and demeanor, it would generally not be very persuasive.

Thoughts?

[marc]

Getting back to RS, I do have a couple basic, practical, where-the-rubber-meets-the-road type questions: What is his marital status? Does he have children?

Maybe it’s just me, but to me he comes across as someone who might be quite prone to being a micro-managing control freak. Is it just me?

The question I can’t help ask is how could a spouse and/or children ever measure up?

I’ve been around a few people like that, and, at least in my experience, it’s not much fun. And, if a person were evaluating the joy of living the gospel based on their vibe, aura and demeanor, it would generally not be very persuasive.

Thoughts?

He's married with children and he is absolutely devoted to his wife who is a Facebook friend of mine.