Rob Smith - OMAS?

[Original_Intent]

Let me preface everything by saying I am not someone that has actively tried to identify the OMAS. And Denver Snuffer was really the only person who I even seriously considered as a possibility.

Most that either claim it or have it claimed in their behalf quickly disqualify themselves in my mind. Rob is not perfect, but he has not disqualified himself according to my judgement. He is the ONLY person in my 59.9 years that have asked them if they are the OMAS.

And there are several people that a HIGLY respect that have NOT disqualified themselves, but it just simply does not enter my mind that they are the OMAS.

Well, for a couple of days now, I have been getting a weird prompting to straight up ask Rob Smith if he is the OMAS. Then he posted the video linked below - he doesn't make any specific claims but he mentions the OMAS, and there is a ton of other stuff, I recommend giving it a listen with a broken heart and a contrite spirit.- suffice it to say, I have asked and I will not be sharing the response unless I am prompted to do so.

[SJR3t2]

I bring out in this recording that the Mighty and Strong One will be teaching Torah from the BoM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWL3n3p ... n&index=52. Rob Smith teaches against Torah. If my analysis of what the BoM is teaching is correct, Rob nor Snuffer can be the MSO.

Various thoughts I have on the Mighty and Strong One https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/might ... trong-one/

[Telavian]

Well, for a couple of days now, I have been getting a weird prompting to straight up ask Rob Smith if he is the OMAS. Then he posted the video linked below - he doesn't make any specific claims but he mentions the OMAS, and there is a ton of other stuff, I recommend giving it a listen with a broken heart and a contrite spirit.- suffice it to say, I have asked and I will not be sharing the response unless I am prompted to do so.

Did you ask him? Did he respond?

I frankly don't know how I feel about Rob. I followed him religiously for about a year when I first found him and really hung on his every word. However, when I started to notice things that were clearly off, I would point them out and he began to sour on me almost immediately. He wouldn't even explain how I was wrong. He would just personally attack me. This culminated in him blocking me from commenting on any of his videos. In fact, he did a video about blocking me a few months back.

His interpretation of the scriptures is pretty good, however in some cases he is wildly wrong and frankly doesn't even want to listen or entertain the topic. I have a whole email thread of him attacking me because I am essentially not as good as he is. Without a doubt he has some really good material to share. However, I have noticed that it is really just the same thing rehashed over and over. He really is not sharing anything new or useful. It is just regurgitating material with his spin on it.

He might be the OMAS, and at first I really though it was a possibility. However, based on his negative attitude, unless you fit his ideal mold, then I really wouldn't want to go anywhere with him. He also currently is not doing anything that would fit the bill so I seriously doubt it is him.

One person I spoke to seems to believe that Rob is a reincarnated Joseph Smith. I have never heard Rob claim this or any indication of this. However, he may have mentioned it in a personal conversation with this individual.

[nightlight]

Bro is right about working on your own red flags. But it's overwhelming when you tear down a red flag just to see another and another

[Original_Intent]

Well, for a couple of days now, I have been getting a weird prompting to straight up ask Rob Smith if he is the OMAS. Then he posted the video linked below - he doesn't make any specific claims but he mentions the OMAS, and there is a ton of other stuff, I recommend giving it a listen with a broken heart and a contrite spirit.- suffice it to say, I have asked and I will not be sharing the response unless I am prompted to do so.

Did you ask him? Did he respond?

I frankly don't know how I feel about Rob. I followed him religiously for about a year when I first found him and really hung on his every word. However, when I started to notice things that were clearly off, I would point them out and he began to sour on me almost immediately. He wouldn't even explain how I was wrong. He would just personally attack me. This culminated in him blocking me from commenting on any of his videos. In fact, he did a video about blocking me a few months back.

His interpretation of the scriptures is pretty good, however in some cases he is wildly wrong and frankly doesn't even want to listen or entertain the topic. I have a whole email thread of him attacking me because I am essentially not as good as he is. Without a doubt he has some really good material to share. However, I have noticed that it is really just the same thing rehashed over and over. He really is not sharing anything new or useful. It is just regurgitating material with his spin on it.

He might be the OMAS, and at first I really though it was a possibility. However, based on his negative attitude, unless you fit his ideal mold, then I really wouldn't want to go anywhere with him. He also currently is not doing anything that would fit the bill so I seriously doubt it is him.

One person I spoke to seems to believe that Rob is a reincarnated Joseph Smith. I have never heard Rob claim this or any indication of this. However, he may have mentioned it in a personal conversation with this individual.

I did and he responded with quite a long and considerate response.

Long story short he did not claim it nor did he deny it. He suggested I research as much as possible about the One Mighty and Strong and look for someone that was doing or had done those things.

For me, probably the oddest thing is like I said, for the last couple of days I found myself thinking about it and pondering it and intending to ask him. And I have never asked anyone else this - I used to think quite highly of Denver Snuffer, and some people were claiming he was the OMAS, but I always got a strong negative impression whenever I thought about it.

And I am not saying Rob is or even that I think he is. I see it as POSSIBLE.

[Telavian]

And I am not saying Rob is or even that I think he is. I see it as POSSIBLE.

Thanks. I do like Rob even though he doesn't seem to like me. I think he legitimately has a relationship with God and is trying to help people.
He has a lot of offer. Very few people speak as openly and as plainly as he does. He is certainly a Samuel the Lamanite type of person in the LDS world.

I certainly hope the end times don't require some high level of cryptic knowledge in order to get things correct. If Rob is the person to set the church in order, then I fully trust that he will do it according to the way God wants it done. I think in many ways the end times will be a mess and we will have to show God that we fully trust him more than anything Babylon has to offer.

[tmac]

I guess my question is, aside from some videos, etc. (some of which I have found to be fairly thought-provoking), what are RS’ fruits?

The other thing I would say is, from what I understand, although the OMAS may have been called and foreordained to that role in the premortal existence, in this mortal realm he may not even be aware of that until God extends that calling here.

In polygamist groups it is not unusual to have men who claim to be the OMAS. They definitely talk about it a lot more. I know one who claims that role.

But I myself consider it to be entirely possible that the one who is actually called and foreordained to that role may not even be aware of that yet. It could be OI, and he just doesn’t know it yet.

If it is RS, I think there will be a greater manifestation of that reality. It will be interesting to see how things develop.

[nightlight]

I doubt the OMAS will be revealed until after the first wave of tribulation

[Original_Intent]

I guess my question is, aside from some videos, etc. (some of which I have found to be fairly thought-provoking), what are RS’ fruits?

The other thing I would say is, from what I understand, although the OMAS may have been called and foreordained to that role in the premortal existence, in this mortal realm he may not even be aware of that until God extends that calling here.

In polygamist groups it is not unusual to have men who claim to be the OMAS. They definitely talk about it a lot more. I know one who claims that role.

But I myself consider it to be entirely possible that the one who is actually called and foreordained to that role may not even be aware of that yet. It could be OI, and he just doesn’t know it yet.

If it is RS, I think there will be a greater manifestation of that reality. It will be interesting to see how things develop.

The fruits that I think are pertinent is that (I believe) he mostly lives off the land and possibly his savings from when he taught. I think that he devotes his time mostly to writing and to a much lesser extent making his videos. His books he makes available for free, and the little I have read in some of them, I detect no error and they are not novice level writings. I have not done a deep dive but I believe he has a vast quantity of material in his books.

He has been doing these videos for a long time, never does the "like and subscribe" spiel and doesn';t seem bothered with the low number of subs he has. He hasn't ever said it that I know of, but I just get the impression that he believes that the people that need to see his stuff will be guided to it.

I agree, he is not open to discussion about his material. Normally that would bug the heck out of me. I did challenge him on a couple of things early on, and he responded - not unkindly but bluntly - and definitely thinks very highly of himself. Anyone that has read my posts knows this is not going to sit well with me. But in his case I was all right with it. If that was ONLY his personality, I believe I would tune him out, my personal impression, and that is all it is, is simply that he has the relationship he claims and he knows what he knows and how he knows, so there is no further discussion. Again, NOT someone I could see myself listening to for long. Yet here I am. And I am not trying to convince anyone here of anything. Just sharing a possibility I am seeing and interested in others' thoughts.

[Telavian]

The fruits that I think are pertinent is that (I believe) he mostly lives off the land and possibly his savings from when he taught. I think that he devotes his time mostly to writing and to a much lesser extent making his videos. His books he makes available for free, and the little I have read in some of them, I detect no error and they are not novice level writings. I have not done a deep dive but I believe he has a vast quantity of material in his books.

I am not sure how much money Rob had left over when he resigned from his teaching position.
However, Rob does own a business by the name of Prime Labs, which has an office address at his house.
He has so far raised over 1.5 million dollars and I am not sure how the business is doing currently.
It may have failed and he is living in poverty. However I doubt it.
If he needed money then he would very likely get a job somewhere as he is more than qualified for a lot of things.

https://www.mthightech.org/news/missoul ... investment
https://www.ventureradar.com/organisati ... 22c12973e6
https://primelabs.ms/

He hasn't ever said it that I know of, but I just get the impression that he believes that the people that need to see his stuff will be guided to it.

When I followed him closely I noticed he complained quite often about his low numbers of viewers. He even guilt tripped people into leaving an amazon comment for his books. After that I did leave a comment because I felt bad.

[Wolfwoman]

Well, for a couple of days now, I have been getting a weird prompting to straight up ask Rob Smith if he is the OMAS. Then he posted the video linked below - he doesn't make any specific claims but he mentions the OMAS, and there is a ton of other stuff, I recommend giving it a listen with a broken heart and a contrite spirit.- suffice it to say, I have asked and I will not be sharing the response unless I am prompted to do so.

Did you ask him? Did he respond?

I frankly don't know how I feel about Rob. I followed him religiously for about a year when I first found him and really hung on his every word. However, when I started to notice things that were clearly off, I would point them out and he began to sour on me almost immediately. He wouldn't even explain how I was wrong. He would just personally attack me. This culminated in him blocking me from commenting on any of his videos. In fact, he did a video about blocking me a few months back.

His interpretation of the scriptures is pretty good, however in some cases he is wildly wrong and frankly doesn't even want to listen or entertain the topic. I have a whole email thread of him attacking me because I am essentially not as good as he is. Without a doubt he has some really good material to share. However, I have noticed that it is really just the same thing rehashed over and over. He really is not sharing anything new or useful. It is just regurgitating material with his spin on it.

He might be the OMAS, and at first I really though it was a possibility. However, based on his negative attitude, unless you fit his ideal mold, then I really wouldn't want to go anywhere with him. He also currently is not doing anything that would fit the bill so I seriously doubt it is him.

One person I spoke to seems to believe that Rob is a reincarnated Joseph Smith. I have never heard Rob claim this or any indication of this. However, he may have mentioned it in a personal conversation with this individual.

He and I were Facebook “friends” at one time. Then one day I noticed we were no longer friends. I have no idea what I said to provoke him to unfriend me. I think we agreed on most things. I was not a big fan of polygamy, and he probably is, so maybe that’s why he unfriended me. I don’t know.

[Original_Intent]

Well, for a couple of days now, I have been getting a weird prompting to straight up ask Rob Smith if he is the OMAS. Then he posted the video linked below - he doesn't make any specific claims but he mentions the OMAS, and there is a ton of other stuff, I recommend giving it a listen with a broken heart and a contrite spirit.- suffice it to say, I have asked and I will not be sharing the response unless I am prompted to do so.

Did you ask him? Did he respond?

I frankly don't know how I feel about Rob. I followed him religiously for about a year when I first found him and really hung on his every word. However, when I started to notice things that were clearly off, I would point them out and he began to sour on me almost immediately. He wouldn't even explain how I was wrong. He would just personally attack me. This culminated in him blocking me from commenting on any of his videos. In fact, he did a video about blocking me a few months back.

His interpretation of the scriptures is pretty good, however in some cases he is wildly wrong and frankly doesn't even want to listen or entertain the topic. I have a whole email thread of him attacking me because I am essentially not as good as he is. Without a doubt he has some really good material to share. However, I have noticed that it is really just the same thing rehashed over and over. He really is not sharing anything new or useful. It is just regurgitating material with his spin on it.

He might be the OMAS, and at first I really though it was a possibility. However, based on his negative attitude, unless you fit his ideal mold, then I really wouldn't want to go anywhere with him. He also currently is not doing anything that would fit the bill so I seriously doubt it is him.

One person I spoke to seems to believe that Rob is a reincarnated Joseph Smith. I have never heard Rob claim this or any indication of this. However, he may have mentioned it in a personal conversation with this individual.

He and I were Facebook “friends” at one time. Then one day I noticed we were no longer friends. I have no idea what I said to provoke him to unfriend me. I think we agreed on most things. I was not a big fan of polygamy, and he probably is, so maybe that’s why he unfriended me. I don’t know.

That is good to know. I am not a fan of most people that support polygamy.

[tmac]

A lot of my thinking about this and a lot of things goes back to my comments about BHCS. When that is the condition at the point of departure and engagement, I think it will naturally take care of a lot of other things, which won’t even be relevant and part of the equation any more, and will make things much more simple in a variety of ways.

Can you imagine what a difference it might make for someone like Donald Trump, just as an example? Then, just apply that measuring stick and see how things look. BY? RMN? DHO? RS?

[Telavian]

That is good to know. I am not a fan of most people that support polygamy.

To be clear, Rob has said that polygamy is bad for "most" people. However, he says that in specific circumstances it could be a positive thing.
I think this is technically true. If 10 godly people lived polygamy, then by definition they would do so in a godly way.
However, humans certainly are nowhere near that.

Scripturally monogamy seems to be God's plan. However, Rob does disagree with that in general.

[tmac]

I believe God’s plan places the highest priority on agency. Anyone who doesn’t want to live in plural marriage or support polygamy would never be forced to do so. If there were others who were actually capable of living it in a Godly way, why should anyone else have a problem with that? I.e., to each their own, live and let live, and do no harm.

[BuriedTartaria]

Rob Smith is fascinating to me. I think he is sincere. I think he teaches principles that would make men be better. I have a question mark on him and I try to apply points of truth I feel I find in his messages into my life to be better. I don't know if his core message is true; that he has seen heaven, that's encountered Christ and angels, that he's done healing (I think he's at least implied he's done some impressive healing miracles), but I don't know if it isn't true either.

He makes me want to be a better individual and a better man. I think he is very sincere and very chaste and I appreciate and respect that.


Edit: I can see a focus on this thread is getting into Rob's views on polygamy. Polygamists seem to generally not care too much for his view because Rob has a view of polygamy rarely being beneficial and is honest about very few men being able to really make 1 woman happy (take their life to a higher place), let alone elevate the lives of multiple women to an extent that polygamy would have any worth for one man and multiple women. And monogamists dislike that he feels polygamy has a place and time.

I think Rob is trying his best to reconcile chastity, the Book of Mormon's message on monogamy and otherworldly men of great spiritual renown who did practice polygamy. How do you reconcile that King David is a type of Christ, someone righteous with the fact that he had multiple wives? I feel Rob does his best to reconcile all of this mixed messaging we get in the scriptures.

Rob has lost a great career due to speaking up for truth. He has suffered more than most in modern Mormonism and has put himself out there. He has been given a hard time for his ability to be direct and not mince words. I don't believe in polygamy but I feel I find enough self-improvement guidance, well-done expounding of scriptures, and insightful clarity on our dying world that I continue to hear what he has to say despite not agreeing with his stance on early Mormon history, Joseph and what he might call) situational polygamy.


Something I enjoy doing is finding the similarities and the contrasts between Denver's material and Rob's material. Not in a hostile, mean-spirited way. I think they both have produced material (fruit) worthy of considering their otherworldly/prophetic claims.

I frankly don't know how I feel about Rob. I followed him religiously for about a year when I first found him and really hung on his every word. However, when I started to notice things that were clearly off, I would point them out and he began to sour on me almost immediately. He wouldn't even explain how I was wrong. He would just personally attack me. This culminated in him blocking me from commenting on any of his videos. In fact, he did a video about blocking me a few months back.

I totally get where you are coming from, how you feel, and your disappointment, valid concerns or grievances with a situation like that.

[Original_Intent]

Rob Smith is fascinating to me. I think he is sincere. I think he teaches principles that would make men be better. I have a question mark on him and I try to apply points of truth I feel I find in his messages into my life to be better. I don't know if his core message is true; that he has seen heaven, that's encountered Christ and angels, that he's done healing (I think he's at least implied he's done some impressive healing miracles), but I don't know if it isn't true either.

He makes me want to be a better individual and a better man. I think he is very sincere and very chaste and I appreciate and respect that.


Edit: I can see a focus on this thread is getting into Rob's views on polygamy. Polygamists seem to generally not care too much for his view because Rob has a view of polygamy rarely being beneficial and is honest about very few men being able to really make 1 woman happy (take their life to a higher place), let alone elevate the lives of multiple women to an extent that polygamy would have any worth for one man and multiple women. And monogamists dislike that he feels polygamy has a place and time.

I think Rob is trying his best to reconcile chastity, the Book of Mormon's message on monogamy and otherworldly men of great spiritual renown who did practice polygamy. How do you reconcile that King David is a type of Christ, someone righteous with the fact that he had multiple wives? I feel Rob does his best to reconcile all of this mixed messaging we get in the scriptures.

Rob has lost a great career due to speaking up for truth. He has suffered more than most in modern Mormonism and has put himself out there. He has been given a hard time for his ability to be direct and not mince words. I don't believe in polygamy but I feel I find enough self-improvement guidance, well-done expounding of scriptures, and insightful clarity on our dying world that I continue to hear what he has to say despite not agreeing with his stance on early Mormon history, Joseph and what he might call) situational polygamy.


Something I enjoy doing is finding the similarities and the contrasts between Denver's material and Rob's material. Not in a hostile, mean-spirited way. I think they both have produced material (fruit) worthy of considering their otherworldly/prophetic claims.

I frankly don't know how I feel about Rob. I followed him religiously for about a year when I first found him and really hung on his every word. However, when I started to notice things that were clearly off, I would point them out and he began to sour on me almost immediately. He wouldn't even explain how I was wrong. He would just personally attack me. This culminated in him blocking me from commenting on any of his videos. In fact, he did a video about blocking me a few months back.

I totally get where you are coming from, how you feel, and your disappointment, valid concerns or grievances with a situation like that.

That pretty sums up my impressions as well.

[JLHPROF]

The OMAS will be a resurrected being.
This conversation is silly.

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;

[Libertas Est Salus]

This question will probably do more to expose my own failings than it will to help the discussion along, but I'm sincere in asking:

Do you think the OMAS will really be so unlikeable? Again, maybe I'm just a jerk. Maybe I haven't watched enough of his videos. Maybe he's different in person. Maybe I'm just too sensitive. Could be a bunch of things.

Let me have it, here. If I'm off-base, tell me straight. I wouldn't even bother posting this question if I didn't have so much respect for Original_Intent's opinions, and if I didn't agree that RS seems remarkably capable. I am super eager for the OMAS to be revealed, and I wouldn't want to miss him just because of a personality conflict.

But again, to my question, I realize Isaiah makes it sound like the DS doesn't have much success at first, but it just seems like he'd have a more magnetic personality, or at least some level of warmth.

[Original_Intent]

The OMAS will be a resurrected being.
This conversation is silly.

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;

I don't read resurrected being anywhere in your scripture. Certainly can be interpreted that way.

[BuriedTartaria]

Do you think the OMAS will really be so unlikeable? Again, maybe I'm just a jerk. Maybe I haven't watched enough of his videos. Maybe he's different in person. Maybe I'm just too sensitive. Could be a bunch of things.

From another perspective, why exactly should we expect a servant of the Lord to be particularly likable? Didn't the acceptance of John the Baptist's prophetic claims grow considerably after John's death? As Denver likes to point out, Christ's following shrank as he got closer to his death. After Christ reached a high point of gathering a following, Christ lost followers the deeper he got into his mission. It was after Christ's death that his following grew.

I don't say this as points for Rob or for points against Rob. Just mulling over different things to consider.

Relevant recent remark from Rob:

It is indeed the nature of humans to reject present prophets while building monuments to past prophets.

[Original_Intent]

This question will probably do more to expose my own failings than it will to help the discussion along, but I'm sincere in asking:

Do you think the OMAS will really be so unlikeable? Again, maybe I'm just a jerk. Maybe I haven't watched enough of his videos. Maybe he's different in person. Maybe I'm just too sensitive. Could be a bunch of things.

Let me have it, here. If I'm off-base, tell me straight. I wouldn't even bother posting this question if I didn't have so much respect for Original_Intent's opinions, and if I didn't agree that RS seems remarkably capable. I am super eager for the OMAS to be revealed, and I wouldn't want to miss him just because of a personality conflict.

But again, to my question, I realize Isaiah makes it sound like the DS doesn't have much success at first, but it just seems like he'd have a more magnetic personality, or at least some level of warmth.

This is a good question and thank you for the compliment.
I think, PERHAPS, we have been conditioned to put too much emphasis on charisma. There are quite a few OT prophets (Jonah comes to mind) that don't sound too personable.
The OMAS is, I believe, also referred to as the "marred servant." I could be getting my wires crossed on that. But I do think that excommunication might qualify as the marring. It would certainly make him difficult to swallow for the more TBM people.
I definitely think that gentleness and meekness are Christlike properties that I would generally expect from someone making the claims that Rob does. But, I also know from personal experience that God is willing to use very imperfect tools. I also think there are needs to be filled that various personalities are either capable or possibly even necessary to complete their mission. I suspect from the bits we know about Peter, for instance, he may have been a bit of a hot-head. We see quite a range of personalities in the original 12, and I suspect that was intentional - not only were they personally the ones best suited, but I think their carious demeanors was meant to tell people we needn't be carbon copies of each other.

Anyone who hasn't, I'd advise listening to the above linked video.

[Original_Intent]

And it really probably seems like I am arguing for Rob being the OMAS. I'm still very on the fence. I think what really has me thinking is I am at least being nudged to consider it.

[Chip]

Rob does work out a lot, so he is, at least, strong, if not mighty. He could easily take on the Q15, all at once. Maybe kneecap Bednar first, then mop the floor with him to take out the rest.

[Ymarsakar]

"One person I spoke to seems to believe that Rob is a reincarnated Joseph Smith."

He isn't, but may be related like a soul mate or part of the same oversoul line.

Rob is a human, although he seems connected to some level of divine truth surprisingly. As a human, he comes with the normal original sin flaws and dna issues.