City of Satan/Enoch

[Shawn Henry]

In the Bible, Cain, who killed Abel, who made a pact with Satan and gloried in his brother's death and was called Master Mahan, had a son named Enoch. Cain built a city and named it after his son Enoch. Hence, the City of Enoch was built by the devil's right-hand man and was likely the center of operations for secret works of darkness. Lamech, the first polygamist in the Bible we know of, was a great grandson of this Enoch.

It should be noted there are two Enoch's amongst the pre-flood patriarchs. On Seth's side, the righteous side, about 4 generations later was born the Enoch we are familiar with. In the Bible it simply says he walked with God and was taken up by God. There is no mention of city.

Studying this is new to me, so I am asking not declaring, but are we to believe that the original city of Enoch was a capitol for the secret works of Master Mahan and that 4 generations later the Lord copied the name of the most wicked city yet to exist and then turned it into Zion?

Was God testing his saints by giving us questionable revelations through Joseph Smith to see if we would just blindly accept anything we are given?

Is it ever God's pattern to mirror or copy wickedness? Wouldn't you think God would want to pick a different name. Is this a test we failed?

Joseph himself when selecting the 1844 canon purposefully omitted these revelations as canon and by doing so, he misses any chance to fully testify they are of God. Indeed, God did not raise up any witnesses for these revelations as he did for the BoM. No angels appeared to any testifying these things were of God. Not a single witness.

The city of Enoch and its secret combinations coming down back to earth does dovetail with the great deception narrative of Aliens appearing in the skies, returning to save us from war by telling us of our true origins and giving us a one world religion.

For those not willing to question anything from Joseph, at least ask yourself why the BoM is the only work of Joseph that the Lord sent heavenly witnesses for. Why are there not 3 witnesses for the Pearl of Great Price?

A side question for TBMs: If the members of the translated city of Enoch have been taken up since before the flood and are likely in the millions, why haven't they already done all the ordinance work for the dead? What have they been doing for 5 thousand years? The hearts of these fathers don't need to be turned to their children?

[CaptainM]

Seems that JS & SR needed something to do while they mooched off of the membership.

21)And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well-and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell. (2 Nephi 28)

Zion is not a place, but a people.

53)But behold, the devil hath deceived me; for he appeared unto me in the form of an angel, and said unto me: Go and reclaim this people, for they have all gone astray after an unknown God. (Alma 30)

The devil is the extreme epitome of a cunning being. He has had thousands of years to try to perfect his techniques. If a person is not firmly rooted on the Rock, they can be washed away with the flood; especially a person who is easily persuaded by men like was JS.

[Godislove]

Here are some thoughts about what they are and have been doing:

https://www.ldsliving.com/the-city-of-e ... ts/s/88178

"Now this Enoch God reserved unto Himself, that he should not die at that time, and appointed unto him a ministry unto terrestrial bodies, of whom there has been but little revealed. . . . He [Enoch] is a ministering angel, to minister to those who shall be heirs of salvation and appeared unto Jude as Abel did unto Paul; therefore Jude spoke of him (History of the Church, 4:209).
It's very possible, then, that the citizens of the City of Enoch have ministry assignments of their own and are "ministering angels unto many planets," (History of the Church, 4:210).

[FrankOne]

It's been many years since I have read the book of Jasher, but something that really sticks out in my memory is that the story of Enoch greatly differs from the cannon. It describes Enoch in more detail, explaining how Enoch goes from degree to degree of enlightenment and in the last year or two? his countenance is so powerful and bright that people are afraid to approach him. Then, it goes on to his moment of departure and how many say "take us with you!" And his answer was perfectly reasonable...

Something like "it's impossible for you to follow me".

he had reached a state of perfection that enabled his departure which no other could follow because they were light years behind him in progression. This account made much more sense to me and made me question much of the LDS doctrine on the subject.

[Peeps]

Here are some thoughts about what they are and have been doing:

https://www.ldsliving.com/the-city-of-e ... ts/s/88178

"Now this Enoch God reserved unto Himself, that he should not die at that time, and appointed unto him a ministry unto terrestrial bodies, of whom there has been but little revealed. . . . He [Enoch] is a ministering angel, to minister to those who shall be heirs of salvation and appeared unto Jude as Abel did unto Paul; therefore Jude spoke of him (History of the Church, 4:209).
It's very possible, then, that the citizens of the City of Enoch have ministry assignments of their own and are "ministering angels unto many planets," (History of the Church, 4:210).

The Enoch the LDS church is speaking of is probably the Enoch who became the angel known as Metatron, who can be read about in 3 Enoch.
The Third Book of Enoch (Hebrew: ספר חנוך לר׳ ישמעאל כ׳׳ג‬, abbreviated as 3 Enoch)[1] is a Biblical apocryphal book in Hebrew. 3 Enoch purports to have been written in the 2nd century, but its origins can only be traced to the 5th century.[2] Other names for 3 Enoch include The Book of the Palaces, The Book of Rabbi Ishmael the High Priest and The Revelation of Metatron....

The main themes running through 3 Enoch are the ascension of Enoch into Heaven and his transformation into the angel Metatron.

This Enoch, whose flesh was turned to flame, his veins to fire, his eye-lashes to flashes of lightning, his eye-balls to flaming torches, and whom God placed on a throne next to the throne of glory, received after this heavenly transformation the name Metatron.

— Scholem, Gershom G (1961) [1941], Major Trends in Jewish Mysticism, p. 67.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Enoch

This is the angel those in the New Age movement revere, for they sure like to play in his cube. He is the angel of the Platonic solids.


I would also say this is probably the Enoch son of Cain, IMO. Because the Freemasons love the seed of Cain, especially Tubal Cain, and Joseph Smith was a Master Mason.
https://www.freemason.com/tubal-cain/

[Robin Hood]

In the Bible, Cain, who killed Abel, who made a pact with Satan and gloried in his brother's death and was called Master Mahan, had a son named Enoch. Cain built a city and named it after his son Enoch. Hence, the City of Enoch was built by the devil's right-hand man and was likely the center of operations for secret works of darkness. Lamech, the first polygamist in the Bible we know of, was a great grandson of this Enoch.

It should be noted there are two Enoch's amongst the pre-flood patriarchs. On Seth's side, the righteous side, about 4 generations later was born the Enoch we are familiar with. In the Bible it simply says he walked with God and was taken up by God. There is no mention of city.

Studying this is new to me, so I am asking not declaring, but are we to believe that the original city of Enoch was a capitol for the secret works of Master Mahan and that 4 generations later the Lord copied the name of the most wicked city yet to exist and then turned it into Zion?

Was God testing his saints by giving us questionable revelations through Joseph Smith to see if we would just blindly accept anything we are given?

Is it ever God's pattern to mirror or copy wickedness? Wouldn't you think God would want to pick a different name. Is this a test we failed?

Joseph himself when selecting the 1844 canon purposefully omitted these revelations as canon and by doing so, he misses any chance to fully testify they are of God. Indeed, God did not raise up any witnesses for these revelations as he did for the BoM. No angels appeared to any testifying these things were of God. Not a single witness.

The city of Enoch and its secret combinations coming down back to earth does dovetail with the great deception narrative of Aliens appearing in the skies, returning to save us from war by telling us of our true origins and giving us a one world religion.

For those not willing to question anything from Joseph, at least ask yourself why the BoM is the only work of Joseph that the Lord sent heavenly witnesses for. Why are there not 3 witnesses for the Pearl of Great Price?

A side question for TBMs: If the members of the translated city of Enoch have been taken up since before the flood and are likely in the millions, why haven't they already done all the ordinance work for the dead? What have they been doing for 5 thousand years? The hearts of these fathers don't need to be turned to their children?

I think you're reading too much into this.
The only real connection is that two sets of parents chose the same name for their child. As did the parents of the biblical Noah and the wicked Nephite king.

[Niemand]

In the Bible, Cain, who killed Abel, who made a pact with Satan and gloried in his brother's death and was called Master Mahan, had a son named Enoch. Cain built a city and named it after his son Enoch. Hence, the City of Enoch was built by the devil's right-hand man and was likely the center of operations for secret works of darkness. Lamech, the first polygamist in the Bible we know of, was a great grandson of this Enoch.

It should be noted there are two Enoch's amongst the pre-flood patriarchs. On Seth's side, the righteous side, about 4 generations later was born the Enoch we are familiar with. In the Bible it simply says he walked with God and was taken up by God. There is no mention of city.

Studying this is new to me, so I am asking not declaring, but are we to believe that the original city of Enoch was a capitol for the secret works of Master Mahan and that 4 generations later the Lord copied the name of the most wicked city yet to exist and then turned it into Zion?

Was God testing his saints by giving us questionable revelations through Joseph Smith to see if we would just blindly accept anything we are given?

Is it ever God's pattern to mirror or copy wickedness? Wouldn't you think God would want to pick a different name. Is this a test we failed?

Joseph himself when selecting the 1844 canon purposefully omitted these revelations as canon and by doing so, he misses any chance to fully testify they are of God. Indeed, God did not raise up any witnesses for these revelations as he did for the BoM. No angels appeared to any testifying these things were of God. Not a single witness.

The city of Enoch and its secret combinations coming down back to earth does dovetail with the great deception narrative of Aliens appearing in the skies, returning to save us from war by telling us of our true origins and giving us a one world religion.

For those not willing to question anything from Joseph, at least ask yourself why the BoM is the only work of Joseph that the Lord sent heavenly witnesses for. Why are there not 3 witnesses for the Pearl of Great Price?

A side question for TBMs: If the members of the translated city of Enoch have been taken up since before the flood and are likely in the millions, why haven't they already done all the ordinance work for the dead? What have they been doing for 5 thousand years? The hearts of these fathers don't need to be turned to their children?

I think you're reading too much into this.
The only real connection is that two sets of parents chose the same name for their child. As did the parents of the biblical Noah and the wicked Nephite king.

Classic example of this would be Judas. There were several other Yehudah/Judahs in the Bible apart from Iscariot, and even an epistle by one.

[Shawn Henry]

I think you're reading too much into this.
The only real connection is that two sets of parents chose the same name for their child. As did the parents of the biblical Noah and the wicked Nephite king.

Yeah, as you just happen to omit the part that Master Mahan built a city and named it Enoch and the righteous Enoch never built a city. Isn't that a connection?

[Shawn Henry]

Here are some thoughts about what they are and have been doing:

https://www.ldsliving.com/the-city-of-e ... ts/s/88178

"Now this Enoch God reserved unto Himself, that he should not die at that time, and appointed unto him a ministry unto terrestrial bodies, of whom there has been but little revealed. . . . He [Enoch] is a ministering angel, to minister to those who shall be heirs of salvation and appeared unto Jude as Abel did unto Paul; therefore Jude spoke of him (History of the Church, 4:209).
It's very possible, then, that the citizens of the City of Enoch have ministry assignments of their own and are "ministering angels unto many planets," (History of the Church, 4:210).

So they just graduated early and went to minister to other planets, turning the hearts of the fathers even further from their children and then when they return, they'll be like, "oh yeah, you people". You're not standing behind that are you? At least tell me you agree that that sounds unlikely.

[Robin Hood]

I think you're reading too much into this.
The only real connection is that two sets of parents chose the same name for their child. As did the parents of the biblical Noah and the wicked Nephite king.

Yeah, as you just happen to omit the part that Master Mahan built a city and named it Enoch and the righteous Enoch never built a city. Isn't that a connection?

Not really.

[Godislove]

Here are some thoughts about what they are and have been doing:

https://www.ldsliving.com/the-city-of-e ... ts/s/88178

"Now this Enoch God reserved unto Himself, that he should not die at that time, and appointed unto him a ministry unto terrestrial bodies, of whom there has been but little revealed. . . . He [Enoch] is a ministering angel, to minister to those who shall be heirs of salvation and appeared unto Jude as Abel did unto Paul; therefore Jude spoke of him (History of the Church, 4:209).
It's very possible, then, that the citizens of the City of Enoch have ministry assignments of their own and are "ministering angels unto many planets," (History of the Church, 4:210).

So they just graduated early and went to minister to other planets, turning the hearts of the fathers even further from their children and then when they return, they'll be like, "oh yeah, you people". You're not standing behind that are you? At least tell me you agree that that sounds unlikely.

I'm standing behind the statement that it is likely they have ministering assignments and perhaps to other planets.
You asked what they could have possibly been doing these last 5,000 years and I believe this to be a legitimate answer.

[Wolfwoman]

What is it that you take issue with? I thought the city of Enoch was a Christian thing and not just an LDS thing. Is that not the case? Is to there a portion of this story that only comes from Joseph Smith and not the Bible, and that’s what you are questioning? If so, what is it?

Hugh Nibley has an essay “Strange thing in the land” in which he compares the book of Moses to the extracanonical book of Enoch, showing Joseph didn’t just make it up, but it was true because it was found in another record.

[Wolfwoman]

Also in regards to the 5,000 years and what they have been doing, how do you know it has been 5,000 years for them? Maybe it’s only been a small moment for them. Time differences and all that.

[Shawn Henry]

What is it that you take issue with? I thought the city of Enoch was a Christian thing and not just an LDS thing. Is that not the case? Is to there a portion of this story that only comes from Joseph Smith and not the Bible, and that’s what you are questioning? If so, what is it?

Hugh Nibley has an essay “Strange thing in the land” in which he compares the book of Moses to the extracanonical book of Enoch, showing Joseph didn’t just make it up, but it was true because it was found in another record.

I haven't read the book of Enoch, but I don't think any city is in there. It is solely a JS thing. There is no reference to it in the BoM, which seems odd.

JS said some revelations are from God, some from man, some from the Devil. I think this City of Enoch change is not from God. Like I said in the OP, why would the Lord name a holy city after the city that is the headquarters of wickedness?

[Shawn Henry]

Also in regards to the 5,000 years and what they have been doing, how do you know it has been 5,000 years for them? Maybe it’s only been a small moment for them. Time differences and all that.

It's possible, but why? I'm hesitant to mix science fiction with scripture.

[Wolfwoman]

Also in regards to the 5,000 years and what they have been doing, how do you know it has been 5,000 years for them? Maybe it’s only been a small moment for them. Time differences and all that.

It's possible, but why? I'm hesitant to mix science fiction with scripture.

Why? Because you assumed 5,000 years passing on our earth is the same amount of time for them and that they must be sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

[Godislove]

What is it that you take issue with? I thought the city of Enoch was a Christian thing and not just an LDS thing. Is that not the case? Is to there a portion of this story that only comes from Joseph Smith and not the Bible, and that’s what you are questioning? If so, what is it?

Hugh Nibley has an essay “Strange thing in the land” in which he compares the book of Moses to the extracanonical book of Enoch, showing Joseph didn’t just make it up, but it was true because it was found in another record.

I haven't read the book of Enoch, but I don't think any city is in there. It is solely a JS thing. There is no reference to it in the BoM, which seems odd.

JS said some revelations are from God, some from man, some from the Devil. I think this City of Enoch change is not from God. Like I said in the OP, why would the Lord name a holy city after the city that is the headquarters of wickedness?

Because there was a Holy Enoch that founded the city of righteousness.

[Peeps]

In the Bible, Cain, who killed Abel, who made a pact with Satan and gloried in his brother's death and was called Master Mahan, had a son named Enoch. Cain built a city and named it after his son Enoch. Hence, the City of Enoch was built by the devil's right-hand man and was likely the center of operations for secret works of darkness. Lamech, the first polygamist in the Bible we know of, was a great grandson of this Enoch.

It should be noted there are two Enoch's amongst the pre-flood patriarchs. On Seth's side, the righteous side, about 4 generations later was born the Enoch we are familiar with. In the Bible it simply says he walked with God and was taken up by God. There is no mention of city.

Studying this is new to me, so I am asking not declaring, but are we to believe that the original city of Enoch was a capitol for the secret works of Master Mahan and that 4 generations later the Lord copied the name of the most wicked city yet to exist and then turned it into Zion?

Was God testing his saints by giving us questionable revelations through Joseph Smith to see if we would just blindly accept anything we are given?

Is it ever God's pattern to mirror or copy wickedness? Wouldn't you think God would want to pick a different name. Is this a test we failed?

Joseph himself when selecting the 1844 canon purposefully omitted these revelations as canon and by doing so, he misses any chance to fully testify they are of God. Indeed, God did not raise up any witnesses for these revelations as he did for the BoM. No angels appeared to any testifying these things were of God. Not a single witness.

The city of Enoch and its secret combinations coming down back to earth does dovetail with the great deception narrative of Aliens appearing in the skies, returning to save us from war by telling us of our true origins and giving us a one world religion.

For those not willing to question anything from Joseph, at least ask yourself why the BoM is the only work of Joseph that the Lord sent heavenly witnesses for. Why are there not 3 witnesses for the Pearl of Great Price?

A side question for TBMs: If the members of the translated city of Enoch have been taken up since before the flood and are likely in the millions, why haven't they already done all the ordinance work for the dead? What have they been doing for 5 thousand years? The hearts of these fathers don't need to be turned to their children?

I agree with you re: The city of Enoch being the built by the Enoch, son of Cain, as this is recorded in Genesis chapter 4. I believe the Pearl of Great Price is legitimate (as far as a Masonic text can be trusted), particularly the Book of Abraham, it's just told from Lucifer's perspective. The parts about Kolob, probably came from a real fallen angel named Kokobel that is named in 1 Enoch, (not the Enoch son of Cain, but the Enoch, 7th from Adam through Seth) as the angel of the stars/constellations. The parts about "God" walking in the midst of the gnolaum, is likely the "anointed cherub that covereth" in Ezekiel 28, which I now believe were all of us in our first estate, and that is when he pitched the second estate idea, that we apparently fell for. Which got us sent to the lowest parts of the earth as Psalms 139:15 says we wait until we are knitted in our mother's womb at conception, as it agrees with what Jesus told the Pharisees about them being from below, while He was from above, in John chapter 8. This is what I wrote on the thread about Joseph Smith and the Watchers#

I believe Joseph Smith had direct contact with a "Watcher," if he was truthful about his encounters with Angel Moroni.

I personally believe the creator(s) called "God" in Genesis chapter 1, or "the gods" in Abraham 4, or the "elohim," are the 1/3 fallen angels led by Lucifer, described as the "one like unto God" in Abraham 3:24. We followed him down here. He was the anointed cherub that covereth in Ezekiel 28, and we were the stones of fire on the Mountain of God. This is where he was walking up and down in the midst of us, pitching his second estate idea, which we evidently fell for, just like he was later to do with Eve.

The one "like the Son of Man" in Abraham 3 is Jesus Christ, who had to become flesh to become our Kinsman Redeemer, to rescue from the flesh the anointed cherub promised to cover us with when we gave up our first estate. This got us sent to the lowest parts of the earth as Psalm 139:15 says where we were all waiting until we become knitted into our mother's wombs at conception.

Psalm 104 says God makes His angels spirits, His ministers a flaming fire. That sounds like what a "gnolaum" was IMO, a minister of flaming fire. I believe taking on a flesh body got us in big trouble with the Father, so Jesus Christ was sent here to redeem us, and RECONCILE us, back to the Father from both our prexsistence fall, and to atone for our sins we commit in these flesh bodies.

Adam was formed by the "LORD God" in Genesis 2:7 to supplant the Genesis 1 race. This race is where Cain got a wife in the land of Nod. That is why the "serpent," or the "shining one" was allowed in the Garden of Eden in the first place. Jesus Christ into the world to become the Second Adam, to save us from eternal death.

1 Corinthians 15:
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive....

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1 Enoch says that the Watcher, Gadreel, was responsible for deceiving Eve. God allowed the Garden of Eden to be walled in by Gadreel, because we had chosen to take on a flesh body in the preexistence.

From Wikipedia:
Gadreel, or Gaderel (Hebrew: גדר האל‎ gader ha-el, literally "wall of God") is listed as one of the chiefs in the fallen Watchers. This is depicted in the second section of the "Book of Enoch"; "Parables". He is said to have been responsible for deceiving Eve.

Gadreel was mentioned as the third of five "satans" who led other angels into copulating with humans, leading to the creation of the giant-like Nephilim.

1 Enoch LXIX, 6 "And the third was named Gâdreêl: he it is who showed the children of men all the blows of death, and he led astray Eve, and showed the weapons of death to the sons of men the shield and the coat of mail, and the sword for battle, and all the weapons of death to the
children of men."
https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe072.htm

Joseph Smith was a Mason, and therefore a servant of Lucifer the light bearer, also known as the "grand architect" of the universe by the Masons, who "created" it first by cutting it down (create means to 'cut down' according to the Strong's Concordance)--so he was really only a grand remodeler, with the "materials" that the LORD God/Jehovah Elohim spoke into existence exnihilo, which is something the elohim cannot do. So this is why, IMO, that Joseph Smith taught that we were coexisting with matter, and having a flesh body was an opportunity (it was really a snare), and superior to staying in a spirit body like we had in the first estate. This was backwards in reality, IMO.

So I believe the Pearl of Great Price was really came from a collection of Masonic texts, which will automatically make Lucifer out to be the "good guy," like a heroic Prometheus figure, so the books were not "translated" from an Egyptian papyrus, IMO.

1 Enoch is a fascinating read. There are 2 Enochs, so one needs to be cautious when reading 2 Enoch or 3 Enoch, for these books have a very different history than 1 Enoch, and are likely about the wicked Enoch, son of Cain, of Genesis chapter 4, and the source of "Enochian magick." 1 Enoch was a part of the Ethiopian Church cannon, and manuscripts were found to be among the Dead Sea Scrolls. 2 & 3 Enoch are kabbalisitic/rabbinical writings, and should be taken with a grain of salt especially when it starts describing the angel, Metatron, who is probably another manifestation of an alter-ego of Lucifer.

Besides Azazel, there is a particular angel that stands out in the list of fallen angels, that would be Kokabel.

1 Enoch 8 (VIII)
1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .
https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm

This fallen angel, Kokabel, may be the root source for the information on things like:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

Kolob is a star or planet described in the Book of Abraham, a sacred text of the Latter Day Saint movement. Several Latter Day Saint denominations hold the Book of Abraham to have been translated from an Egyptianpapyrus scroll by Joseph Smith, the founder of the movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham calls Kolob a "star",[1] it also calls planets "stars",[2] and therefore some Latter Day Saint commentators consider Kolob a planet.[3] The body also appears in Latter Day Saint culture, including a reference to Kolob in an LDS hymn.[4]



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokabiel

Kokabiel (Aramaic: כוכבאל, Ancient Greek: χωβαβιήλ), also spelled Kôkabîêl, Kôkhabîêl, Kakabel, Kochbiel, Kokbiel, Kabaiel, or Kochab, considered the 'angel of the stars',[1]is a fallen angel, the fourth mentioned of the 20 Watcher leaders of the 200 fallen angels in the Book of Enoch.[2] His name is generally translated as "star of God",[3] which is fitting since it has been said that Kokabiel taught constellations to his associates.[4]

Because of this, we need to take heed and examine which Enoch are we talking about, because scripture says there are 2. Just like with most of the first patriarchs, there seems to be a twin system going on, one being good, from the lineage of Seth, the other evil, being from the lineage of Cain, that is in Genesis chapter 4. This chapter describes a son of Cain named Enoch, which Cain built a city and named it after this son.
Genesis chapter 4:
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Joseph Smith was a Mason, and Masons are fascinated with the bloodline of Cain, so much so, that Tubal Cain is a password for the 3rd degree. They also have access to "scriptures" the "average Joe" does not. Here is an excerpt from a free Mason site:

Tubal Cain mastered working with metals and forging tools and was the first instructor of workers in those metals, affording him a place of honor and respect in Freemasonry as a forefather of all master craftsmen. His example as a teacher illustrates the value Masons place on sharing their knowledge with their brethren.

To complete the third degree, a Brother must learn to use the working tools of the Craft to fulfill the plans of the Divine Artist. He can only achieve the rank of Master Mason, living his life fully in the light of Freemasonry, by mastering the moral and philosophical lessons taught in the lodge by wise and experienced Brothers who are walking in the footsteps of Tubal Cain.

https://www.freemason.com/tubal-cain/

Therefore, It is my opinion, that the city of Enoch taught by the Church is a mixed up story of the city of Enoch built by Cain, and the biblical Babylon built by Nimrod in the plain of Shinar after the flood (Babylon is simply called Shinar in the book of Jasher). This is from chapter 7 of the book of Jasher.

[Wolfwoman]

What is it that you take issue with? I thought the city of Enoch was a Christian thing and not just an LDS thing. Is that not the case? Is to there a portion of this story that only comes from Joseph Smith and not the Bible, and that’s what you are questioning? If so, what is it?

Hugh Nibley has an essay “Strange thing in the land” in which he compares the book of Moses to the extracanonical book of Enoch, showing Joseph didn’t just make it up, but it was true because it was found in another record.

I haven't read the book of Enoch, but I don't think any city is in there. It is solely a JS thing. There is no reference to it in the BoM, which seems odd.

JS said some revelations are from God, some from man, some from the Devil. I think this City of Enoch change is not from God. Like I said in the OP, why would the Lord name a holy city after the city that is the headquarters of wickedness?

I never realized the city of Enoch being taken up into Heaven was only a Mormon thing. Maybe if I had been allowed to serve that extra 6 months I would have encountered it on my mission!

Still, in Christianity there is the bad Enoch and the good Enoch who came later. So I don’t understand why that’s a big deal. Same name, big deal.

So the New Jerusalem in the book of Revelation is some other city? Or it’s an empty city when it comes down to the earth? Interesting.

[SempiternalHarbinger]

Also in regards to the 5,000 years and what they have been doing, how do you know it has been 5,000 years for them? Maybe it’s only been a small moment for them. Time differences and all that.

It's possible, but why? I'm hesitant to mix science fiction with scripture.

You already mix science fiction (flat Earth) with scripture, so why stop now?

[FrankOne]

Also in regards to the 5,000 years and what they have been doing, how do you know it has been 5,000 years for them? Maybe it’s only been a small moment for them. Time differences and all that.

It's possible, but why? I'm hesitant to mix science fiction with scripture.

You already mix science fiction (flat Earth) with scripture, so why stop now?

If Shawn can get a chuckle out of the above, there is hope in this world.

[Shawn Henry]

Also in regards to the 5,000 years and what they have been doing, how do you know it has been 5,000 years for them? Maybe it’s only been a small moment for them. Time differences and all that.

It's possible, but why? I'm hesitant to mix science fiction with scripture.

Why? Because you assumed 5,000 years passing on our earth is the same amount of time for them and that they must be sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

I do assume that times passes the same for all of us, but I could be wrong.

[Shawn Henry]

Because there was a Holy Enoch that founded the city of righteousness.

Yeah, that's the belief, I get it, but do you at least think it is a little odd that the first City of Enoch was founded by Master Mahan himself and that a righteous city would be named after it?

[Shawn Henry]

You already mix science fiction (flat Earth) with scripture, so why stop now?

The Bible has always had such a cosmology. Pretty much all theologians and historians agree on this. Don't blame me for reading the creation account just as it is written, I didn't write it.

I take it that your attempt to distract from the thread with a pot-shot is a reflection of the thread emotionally triggering you.

[SempiternalHarbinger]

You already mix science fiction (flat Earth) with scripture, so why stop now?

The Bible has always had such a cosmology. Pretty much all theologians and historians agree on this. Don't blame me for reading the creation account just as it is written, I didn't write it.

I take it that your attempt to distract from the thread with a pot-shot is a reflection of the thread emotionally triggering you.

Dang, It was a JOKE. No hard feelings man. Sorry, you didn't take it the way it was intended.