Is The Restored Gospel A Myth⁉️

[SJR3t2]

Funny stuff. Where does God call JS a prophet? He crowned himself a prophet. We know what happens to that kind of person…. Huh? He had one gift ONLY.

We simply are not going to agree.

Truly, best wishes. Love ya brother.

May YHWH bless you.

[Peeps]

The Joseph Smith Papers project reveals that neither Joseph nor anyone else used the terms "Restored Church" or "Restored Gospel" at any time during the 1800's. It didn't appear until the 1900's.

Both the gospel and the church (God's people) were already present.

I think this book started a lot of the idea of the need for a "restoration." It was really a big deal to my mother, who joined the Church approximately in the mid, to late, 1950s, because she was looking for THE "true Church," with apostles and a prophet.
She misunderstood that that verse in Ephesians about a church needing a foundation of apostles and prophets (a foundation does not need redoing after it has been laid), so she was one of those 'golden investigators,' with just enough Biblical knowledge to be dangerous, because she believed she knew the Bible. She wanted a "religion" to raise her children in, and voila, a missionary couple showed up, and knocked on the door. This happened in the Deep South, Louisiana, when and where, it was very rare to see any LDS missionaries. So she took it as a sign from God.

The Great Apostasy Considered in the Light of Scriptural and Secular History is a 1909 book by James E. Talmage that summarizes the Great Apostasy from the viewpoint of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Wikipedia
Originally published: 1909
Author: James E. Talmage



(After going through the endowment ceremony, and hearing the lines of satan about giving people "religion," I now have to wonder who was it exactly that sent the missionaries to her to give her the LDS "religion?" Was she praying amiss, and that is how the family's entanglement with the Church began?)

[Shawn Henry]

Was she praying amiss

Perhaps in a manner, but I don't like thinking of it in those terms. I like to think that we all have things that we need to learn about ourselves. We all have mistakes we have to make if we are to ever grow beyond them. The Lord places us all right where we need to be in order to learn a whole lot about ourselves.

I have actually come to cherish being thrown into a vat of false doctrines. How else do I learn true doctrine, other that constantly sifting through the bad and the good.

[Peeps]

Was she praying amiss

Perhaps in a manner, but I don't like thinking of it in those terms. I like to think that we all have things that we need to learn about ourselves. We all have mistakes we have to make if we are to ever grow beyond them. The Lord places us all right where we need to be in order to learn a whole lot about ourselves.

I have actually come to cherish being thrown into a vat of false doctrines. How else do I learn true doctrine, other that constantly sifting through the bad and the good.

Yes, her joining wasn't all bad. The Church provided a lot of stability and structure for her fragile mental state. She had suffered a nervous breakdown from all the mental/physical abuse heaped on by my biological father, and this was during the era (1969-ish) when electroshock therapy was still acceptable as a form of treatment for mental patients. She is still taking thorazine to this day. And there was a brief time of marital happiness when my bio dad attended church with her, but that was before I came along.

But she/the Church did traumatized me with the polygamy thing. It made me very angry, and I hated Joseph Smith's guts (and liver too!, but I LOVED the BoM), Brigham Young, and men in general, and even God for a long time about it. But I kept trying to make it ok in my mind, for it must have been a Holy eternal principle, so I just needed to accept it-- and gain some mental coping skills, sometimes by doing mental gymnastics, lol. But my mother believed in it, and still does, which I could never understand as a child, with her being the wife, as one of many (I can see the benefits of Sec132 if a man), seeing how my bio-dad had been a chronic adulter, the idea made me want to puke.

This is how I saw the eternity in the CK, a type of commune when I was a kid (and no, I wasn't ever shown this at Church, but it is pretty accurate from what I was taught by my "Mormon Doctrine" reading mother), so I never really wanted to go there...because i thought even if I was ever blessed enough to find a righteous husband for myself, I would end up having to share him with another Church sister that wasn't so blessed to find an eternal companion of her own. That is a hard thing to deal with being young, and a naturally jealous person. If one could not find an eternal companion(s), they would become like a Barbie or Ken doll "down there," receiving the eternal "smoothie."

Now, I understand that I do not have to be an "eternal broodmare" in a harem. When I first joined ldsfreedomforum under the name "Rachael," i was still pretty bitter about it, still somewhat believed in the Church, and was a participant in every polygamy thread on here-- I couldn't get enough of beating that dead horse, lol. Got me sent to Outer Darkness too, but I came back as Ashleyyy, who also got sent to OD. But Peeps has made peace with it.

Now my mom will be wife #2 (in her mind) for all eternity. I love my stepdad, though. If anything good came out of her joining the Church, it was her marrying him. He was our assigned home teacher for years when I was small. I told him I wished he was my daddy way back, probably before I started kindergarten. So I was delighted when they got together after his 1st wife passed away. I loved her too, so I can kind of see how this would work out in the Celestial Kingdom of LDS heaven, but as for me, my Maker is my Husband.

[Thinker]

…
(After going through the endowment ceremony, and hearing the lines of satan about giving people "religion," I now have to wonder who was it exactly that sent the missionaries to her to give her the LDS "religion?" Was she praying amiss, and that is how the family's entanglement with the Church began?)

Profound question applicable to many of us!

Opposition in all things - evil is not the clearly identified “bad guy” we were led to believe. Evil instead is like high-fructose-corn-syrup… or soy junk that’s snuck into foods. Religion is evil when it shuts down searches for the God of truth.

[sushi_chef]

sis Rachael san, thanks for participating astrol* thread, although thanking is about 7 years delayed ...
sushi_ respects scorpio persons .. (sushi_'s natal saturn in scorpio ..)

astrolo* Rachael
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[Peeps]

sis Rachael san, thanks for participating astrol* thread, although thanking is about 7 years delayed ...
sushi_ respects scorpio persons .. (sushi_'s natal saturn in scorpio ..)

astrolo* Rachael
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keyw ... or=Rachael

Yes, I lost my beloved stepdad during that Saturn's return in Scorpio period. I was homeless too, afterward for awhile. But I needed to go through those hard times, to learn some lessons, to break down some things that I wouldn't do on my own.

Romans 8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

[sushi_chef]

wow .. home.. how received any help??
around that time ?? .. "Saturn in Scorpio 2012 to 2015: Saturn Transits"

Romans 8 (jst, kjv)
29. For him whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to his own image, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

29. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30. Moreover, him whom he did predestinate, him he also called; and him whom he called, him he also sanctified; and him whom he sanctified, him he also glorified.

30. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

off topicky but allow sushi_,

[MikeMaillet]

I have not read all of the comments but the gospel being restored may mean that the covenant was again extended to mankind in our latter days, in this case via the Book of Mormon. If we had not rejected the covenant, the gospel would then have been restored.

Mike

[Ymarsakar]

Restoring the Divine message means resending the messengers that humans had tortured and killed and trapped.

This is why it took centuries. The bloodlines had to be reconstructed in order to host divine souls, that could rescue the trapped ones and that still had enough power to contest satan's own.

[Good & Global]

The Joseph Smith Papers project reveals that neither Joseph nor anyone else used the terms "Restored Church" or "Restored Gospel" at any time during the 1800's. It didn't appear until the 1900's.

Both the gospel and the church (God's people) were already present.

I think this book started a lot of the idea of the need for a "restoration." It was really a big deal to my mother, who joined the Church approximately in the mid, to late, 1950s, because she was looking for THE "true Church," with apostles and a prophet.

She misunderstood that that verse in Ephesians about a church needing a foundation of apostles and prophets (a foundation does not need redoing after it has been laid), so she was one of those 'golden investigators,' with just enough Biblical knowledge to be dangerous, because she believed she knew the Bible.

The Great Apostasy Considered in the Light of Scriptural and Secular History is a 1909 book
Author: James E. Talmage

It is hard to sell books without activism.

This is activism in the church the same as "ongoing restoration" is used to not appear clueless.

John the Revelator who knows all about how it will end and three of the most righteous disciples/apostles of the Nephite era have been walking the earth since forever. That is not priesthood power? That is not authority?

They are more fit to lead during our time than the servants we have today or in the last 27 years etc. But people like catchy phrases. It makes them think it is real.

Can someone explain to me how hard it was to restore something that was not lost?

[ransomme]

While talking about Joseph Smith in this verse, although the word restoration is not used, it's the same concept.

1 Nephi 13:34
Book of Mormon
Scriptures

34 And it came to pass that the angel of the Lord spake unto me, saying: Behold, saith the Lamb of God, after I have visited the remnant of the house of Israel—and this remnant of whom I speak is the seed of thy father—wherefore, after I have visited them in judgment, and smitten them by the hand of the Gentiles, and after the Gentiles do stumble exceedingly, because of the most plain and precious parts of the gospel of the Lamb which have been kept back by that abominable church, which is the mother of harlots, saith the Lamb—I will be merciful unto the Gentiles in that day, insomuch that I will bring forth unto them, in mine own power, much of my gospel, which shall be plain and precious, saith the Lamb.

That verse is key in this post I did https://seekingyhwh.org/2020/06/20/much ... -dc-13240/

Later the Mighty and Strong One will restore everything.

Matthew (JST 17:14) (KJV 17:13) Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist, and also of another who should come and restore all things, as it is written by the prophets.

The timing in this verse seems key. As you point out, this is really talking about when the restoration of all things comes about, and that is yet in the future.

So it's quite plausible to say that there has not been a restoration of the Gospel yet, just preparations for it.

[ransomme]

The Joseph Smith Papers project reveals that neither Joseph nor anyone else used the terms "Restored Church" or "Restored Gospel" at any time during the 1800's. It didn't appear until the 1900's.

Both the gospel and the church (God's people) were already present.

I think this book started a lot of the idea of the need for a "restoration." It was really a big deal to my mother, who joined the Church approximately in the mid, to late, 1950s, because she was looking for THE "true Church," with apostles and a prophet.

She misunderstood that that verse in Ephesians about a church needing a foundation of apostles and prophets (a foundation does not need redoing after it has been laid), so she was one of those 'golden investigators,' with just enough Biblical knowledge to be dangerous, because she believed she knew the Bible.

The Great Apostasy Considered in the Light of Scriptural and Secular History is a 1909 book
Author: James E. Talmage

It is hard to sell books without activism.

This is activism in the church the same as "ongoing restoration" is used to not appear clueless.

John the Revelator who knows all about how it will end and three of the most righteous disciples/apostles of the Nephite era have been walking the earth since forever. That is not priesthood power? That is not authority?

They are more fit to lead during our time than the servants we have today or in the last 27 years etc. But people like catchy phrases. It makes them think it is real.

Can someone explain to me how hard it was to restore something that was not lost?

The Lost tribes are still lost and have not been restored yet.

[SJR3t2]

While talking about Joseph Smith in this verse, although the word restoration is not used, it's the same concept.

1 Nephi 13:34
Book of Mormon
Scriptures

34 And it came to pass that the angel of the Lord spake unto me, saying: Behold, saith the Lamb of God, after I have visited the remnant of the house of Israel—and this remnant of whom I speak is the seed of thy father—wherefore, after I have visited them in judgment, and smitten them by the hand of the Gentiles, and after the Gentiles do stumble exceedingly, because of the most plain and precious parts of the gospel of the Lamb which have been kept back by that abominable church, which is the mother of harlots, saith the Lamb—I will be merciful unto the Gentiles in that day, insomuch that I will bring forth unto them, in mine own power, much of my gospel, which shall be plain and precious, saith the Lamb.

That verse is key in this post I did https://seekingyhwh.org/2020/06/20/much ... -dc-13240/

Later the Mighty and Strong One will restore everything.

Matthew (JST 17:14) (KJV 17:13) Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist, and also of another who should come and restore all things, as it is written by the prophets.

The timing in this verse seems key. As you point out, this is really talking about when the restoration of all things comes about, and that is yet in the future.

So it's quite plausible to say that there has not been a restoration of the Gospel yet, just preparations for it.

JS started the restoration, the Mighty and Strong One will finish it when he comes. https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/might ... trong-one/