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Hugo weighs in on this mystery. It is 28 minutes long.
4)And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
5)And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6)Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. (Ezekiel 9)


and

[/i]2)And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3)Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.[/i]

and

10)And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. 1 Nephi 14)

Is there a trust in the arm of flesh to allow mortal men the supposed ability to seal people? Do people seriously think they are sealed to Christ because some man performed an ordinance: the so-called second washing and anointing? Do women feel like queens and priestesses because they have washed their husband's feet after he was ordained a king and priest? Did the Nephites experience the Second Comforter when Christ visited them because they had some theoretical ordinance performed by men in an abandoned Bountiful temple; or because they yielded their hearts to God with real intent?

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Any mark from either Satan or God definitely is primarily spiritual and anything physical is only secondary to the spiritual.

He makes a good point, that many will avoid a physical mark and they will be tricked into thinking that is sufficient, not realizing that their countless hours of watching Desperate Housewives have already marked them spiritually.

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nightlight wrote: ↑July 30th, 2023, 3:07 pm 💯

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I confess: it is over my head! It was an interesting video, but please break it down for me how it applies to Mormonism. I can be slow...

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CaptainM wrote: ↑July 30th, 2023, 3:32 pm
nightlight wrote: ↑July 30th, 2023, 3:07 pm 💯

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I confess: it is over my head! It was an interesting video, but please break it down for me how it applies to Mormonism. I can be slow...

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Lol I didn't watch the video, just mde sure it fit my point

And my point is that Mormons reenact spiritual events thinking it makes them spiritual (as your OP stated).

Like a civil war reenactor claiming to be a real soldier in the civil war.

Live Action Role Play aka LARPING

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Sealing ordinances in the LDS church are physical proof of priestcraft. Other churches, etc., also have their “Fruits”, but it seems the LDS church is the epitome.

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Additional insight.

1)Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. (Isaiah 55)
What do you think?

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CaptainM wrote: ↑July 30th, 2023, 2:37 pmBy Whom Are We Sealed: Christ or satan?
Oh my! I think someone may have asked a similar question but I just now considered the possibility that the latter is the one at least partially in the endowment (freemasonry) temple ritual. And it is not binding because in lower contract law, there must be informed consent, & there wasn’t.

Endowment:
LUCIFER: “See, you are naked. Take some fig leaves and make you aprons.”

And then we going through this ritual - put on the devil’s apron… By the way, in freemasonry, the pentagram (defined in freemasonry about 1813 as evil) was later put on lds temples but first was on the freemasonry apron!

Are they trying to sneak Luciferianism in?

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Shawn Henry wrote: ↑July 30th, 2023, 3:21 pm Any mark from either Satan or God definitely is primarily spiritual and anything physical is only secondary to the spiritual.

He makes a good point, that many will avoid a physical mark and they will be tricked into thinking that is sufficient, not realizing that their countless hours of watching Desperate Housewives have already marked them spiritually.
You don't like Desperate Housewives? I am offended. 😊

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CaptainM wrote: ↑July 30th, 2023, 2:37 pm Hugo weighs in on this mystery. It is 28 minutes long.
4)And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
5)And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6)Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. (Ezekiel 9)


and

[/i]2)And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3)Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.[/i]

and

10)And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. 1 Nephi 14)

Is there a trust in the arm of flesh to allow mortal men the supposed ability to seal people? Do people seriously think they are sealed to Christ because some man performed an ordinance: the so-called second washing and anointing? Do women feel like queens and priestesses because they have washed their husband's feet after he was ordained a king and priest? Did the Nephites experience the Second Comforter when Christ visited them because they had some theoretical ordinance performed by men in an abandoned Bountiful temple; or because they yielded their hearts to God with real intent?

Your thoughts?
Hugo is totally wrong on this one.
The mark is not spiritual.
And the KJV using the word "in", is not spiritual, and is probably the way it was meant to be worded.
Like put in or burnt into your skin. like a chip or some other thing.
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CaptainM wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2023, 7:43 am Additional insight.

1)Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. (Isaiah 55)
What do you think?
again Hugo is completely wrong. It's not spiritual.
His comparison for what buy and sell means in Rev. - to the way the word money is used
in other scriptures - is wrong

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Thinker wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 10:50 pm
CaptainM wrote: ↑July 30th, 2023, 2:37 pmBy Whom Are We Sealed: Christ or satan?
Oh my! I think someone may have asked a similar question but I just now considered the possibility that the latter is the one at least partially in the endowment (freemasonry) temple ritual. And it is not binding because in lower contract law, there must be informed consent, & there wasn’t.

Endowment:
LUCIFER: “See, you are naked. Take some fig leaves and make you aprons.”

And then we going through this ritual - put on the devil’s apron… By the way, in freemasonry, the pentagram (defined in freemasonry about 1813 as evil) was later put on lds temples but first was on the freemasonry apron!

Are they trying to sneak Luciferianism in?
Isn't that informed consent though. We are shown an apron by Satan filled with symbology representing his priesthoods. We are then told that Christ makes us a coat of skins. We are then offered to put on our own symbolic aprons and then we make a choice and we all put on an apron and reject the coat of skins. Sounds like informed consent to me.

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Shawn Henry wrote: ↑August 21st, 2023, 11:33 am
Thinker wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 10:50 pm
CaptainM wrote: ↑July 30th, 2023, 2:37 pmBy Whom Are We Sealed: Christ or satan?
Oh my! I think someone may have asked a similar question but I just now considered the possibility that the latter is the one at least partially in the endowment (freemasonry) temple ritual. And it is not binding because in lower contract law, there must be informed consent, & there wasn’t.

Endowment:
LUCIFER: “See, you are naked. Take some fig leaves and make you aprons.”

And then we going through this ritual - put on the devil’s apron… By the way, in freemasonry, the pentagram (defined in freemasonry about 1813 as evil) was later put on lds temples but first was on the freemasonry apron!

Are they trying to sneak Luciferianism in?
Isn't that informed consent though. We are shown an apron by Satan filled with symbology representing his priesthoods. We are then told that Christ makes us a coat of skins. We are then offered to put on our own symbolic aprons and then we make a choice and we all put on an apron and reject the coat of skins. Sounds like informed consent to me.
It’s not informed consent to make someone promise to something without telling them what it’s about that they’re going to be covenanting. I remember in the endowment first time, feeling like I was being pressured to promise something that didn’t make sense - & all the freemasonry rituals, signs & tokens felt evil. It doesn’t help that they kept it so secret before so you couldn’t learn what it was they wanted you to learn about BEFORE going into that pressured, (IMO, ungodly) situation. And legally, “Consent should be given freely, without pressure.” Some people before they changed the endowment were told to promise to slit their throats if they didn’t follow through. Talk about pressure! And EVIL.

Again, it’s LUCIFER’S COMMAND that we put on aprons (& “coat of skins” garments with Freemason symbols) - NOT GOD’S.
  • “LUCIFER: See--you are naked. Take some fig leaves and make you aprons. Father will see your nakedness. Quick! Hide!

    [Lucifer withdraws from view.]

    ADAM: Brethren and sisters, put on your aprons.”
The pentagram has been known to represent evil since at least 1813 (before lds temples were built, some of which have these evil symbols on them), when Freemasons had these symbols on their APRONS…

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^ “The second separate area of our bodies is represented by the bottom portion of the Apron which would symbolize our lower selves that deal more with our natural animal natures and our passions. The upside down pentagram on the above right would also represent the lack of nobility, purity and spiritual quality.”
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Thinker wrote: ↑August 25th, 2023, 10:27 am Again, it’s LUCIFER’S COMMAND that we put on aprons (& “coat of skins” garments with Freemason symbols) - NOT GOD’S.
  • “LUCIFER: See--you are naked. Take some fig leaves and make you aprons. Father will see your nakedness. Quick! Hide!

    [Lucifer withdraws from view.]

    ADAM: Brethren and sisters, put on your aprons.”
Yeah, I'm in complete agreement there.

"Touch not the unclean gift" (gift meaning endowment)

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Just pondering ...

Do you believe you are holding fast to the word of Christ, pressing forward (at some speed), and enduring to the end? (2 Nephi 31:20)

OR...

Do you feel that you are being led carefully down to hell? (2 Nephi 28:21)



In other words ...

Do you believe you belong to the church of the Lamb? (1 Nephi 14:10)

OR...

Do you feel like a member of the church of the devil? (Same verse)

Please weigh in.

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CaptainM wrote: ↑August 29th, 2023, 12:22 pm Just pondering ...

Do you believe you are holding fast to the word of Christ, pressing forward (at some speed), and enduring to the end? (2 Nephi 31:20)

OR...

Do you feel that you are being led carefully down to hell? (2 Nephi 28:21)



In other words ...

Do you believe you belong to the church of the Lamb? (1 Nephi 14:10)

OR...

Do you feel like a member of the church of the devil? (Same verse)

Please weigh in.
I believe I belong to the church of the lamb, but the devil tries to recruit me incessantly.
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CaptainM wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2023, 6:26 pm Sealing ordinances in the LDS church are physical proof of priestcraft. Other churches, etc., also have their “Fruits”, but it seems the LDS church is the epitome.
clearly this comments shows by whom you are sealed. and QED to the OP title.

If the spirit of Elohim was within you and you were sealed to him, you would never be able to make such a statement, even if you wanted. you'd worry about offending one of "his" perhaps little ones. But talking priestcraft and saying it is "physical proof" betrays your true god.

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TheDuke wrote: ↑August 29th, 2023, 2:48 pm
CaptainM wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2023, 6:26 pm Sealing ordinances in the LDS church are physical proof of priestcraft. Other churches, etc., also have their “Fruits”, but it seems the LDS church is the epitome.
clearly this comments shows by whom you are sealed. and QED to the OP title.

If the spirit of Elohim was within you and you were sealed to him, you would never be able to make such a statement, even if you wanted. you'd worry about offending one of "his" perhaps little ones. But talking priestcraft and saying it is "physical proof" betrays your true god.
You know. Whatever! You are not worth the trouble to even to respond to. Not sure why you decided to do a drive-by on me. Must be a dark spirit within you. You surely aren't exhibiting the spirit of the Lord.

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CaptainM wrote: ↑August 29th, 2023, 4:55 pm
TheDuke wrote: ↑August 29th, 2023, 2:48 pm
CaptainM wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2023, 6:26 pm Sealing ordinances in the LDS church are physical proof of priestcraft. Other churches, etc., also have their “Fruits”, but it seems the LDS church is the epitome.
clearly this comments shows by whom you are sealed. and QED to the OP title.

If the spirit of Elohim was within you and you were sealed to him, you would never be able to make such a statement, even if you wanted. you'd worry about offending one of "his" perhaps little ones. But talking priestcraft and saying it is "physical proof" betrays your true god.
You know. Whatever! You are not worth the trouble to even to respond to. Not sure why you decided to do a drive-by on me. Must be a dark spirit within you. You surely aren't exhibiting the spirit of the Lord.
nope, you performed the drive by, I just shot back out from my porch. You said "sealing is priestcraft". I have a witness from the Lord it is in fact divine when approved by the Lord. YOU SAYING that is in fact rude, ignorant, unkind and quite troubling. Basically calling anyone with a testimony a liars, stupid, deceived and involved in "priestcraft" in your words. Don't blame me for being offended and defending the truth. I would never (and have never) been in your face in a doctrinal disagreement, but if you call me down, I will defend my testimony.

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CaptainM wrote: ↑August 29th, 2023, 12:22 pm Just pondering ...

Do you believe you are holding fast to the word of Christ, pressing forward (at some speed), and enduring to the end? (2 Nephi 31:20)

OR...

Do you feel that you are being led carefully down to hell? (2 Nephi 28:21)



In other words ...

Do you believe you belong to the church of the Lamb? (1 Nephi 14:10)

OR...

Do you feel like a member of the church of the devil? (Same verse)

Please weigh in.
The more I learn about early church history and Joseph’s occult practices the more I believe we’re being led to hell but the leaders who call themselves prophets. Their very alignment with current cabal entities (UN, WEF) has solidified that belief in me. Satan is the master imitator until he is not and while they’ve been able to hide their agenda in the past by hiding history and changing the stories of what actually happened, changing timelines even, they, like Satan, have deceived millions and conned them out of millions too.

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Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑August 29th, 2023, 10:38 pm
CaptainM wrote: ↑August 29th, 2023, 12:22 pm Just pondering ...

Do you believe you are holding fast to the word of Christ, pressing forward (at some speed), and enduring to the end? (2 Nephi 31:20)

OR...

Do you feel that you are being led carefully down to hell? (2 Nephi 28:21)



In other words ...

Do you believe you belong to the church of the Lamb? (1 Nephi 14:10)

OR...

Do you feel like a member of the church of the devil? (Same verse)

Please weigh in.
The more I learn about early church history and Joseph’s occult practices the more I believe we’re being led to hell but the leaders who call themselves prophets. Their very alignment with current cabal entities (UN, WEF) has solidified that belief in me. Satan is the master imitator until he is not and while they’ve been able to hide their agenda in the past by hiding history and changing the stories of what actually happened, changing timelines even, they, like Satan, have deceived millions and conned them out of millions too.
I guess bringing these things to light really irritates TBMs, and they complain how evil a thing it is to do so. They say it makes them feel like they are judged as liars, deluded, frenzied, etc. I don’t know about you, but my intent is to open their eyes and free them from satan’s grasp

Like Nephi said:
19)For the kingdom of the devil must shake, and they which belong to it must needs be stirred up unto repentance, or the devil will grasp them with his everlasting chains, and they be stirred up to anger, and perish;
20)For behold, at that day shall he rage in the hearts of the children of men, and stir them up to anger against that which is good. (2 Nephi 28)

They fail to see all the hurt that has been heaped on the world beginning 6 April 1830 that has decimated each of us and our families. They support continuing spiritual abuse and murder. I wish nothing worse than eternal life for each of them, but they are required to repent and leave all forms of Babylon. Just saying….

Anyway, thank you for your post.

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CaptainM wrote: ↑August 29th, 2023, 12:22 pm Do you believe you are holding fast to the word of Christ, pressing forward (at some speed), and enduring to the end? (2 Nephi 31:20)

OR...

Do you feel that you are being led carefully down to hell? (2 Nephi 28:21)…
Do you feel like a member of the church of the devil?…
I think it’s important to avoid polarized/bi-polar/“either-or” thinking. Though it’s understandable since it’s been taught for years… “You are EITHER on the Lord’s side OR not… The church is EITHER true OR not.”

In reality, we are a sloppy, messy mix of good and evil.

And the church has both good and evil. Yet, generally speaking, I think you can imagine a scale balancing good on one side & evil on the other. Before covid insanity, I believed the good of the church outweighed the evil - but now the scale tips the other way. Or it may just be the curtain being pulled back to show more of who Oz really is -so to speak.

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