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Book of Revelation Commentary

Posted: July 29th, 2023, 3:31 pm
by Atrasado
Avraham Gileadi's apocalyptic commentary had been so helpful in understanding the Book of Isaiah. I'm wondering if there is a commentary of similar quality for the Book of Revelation. I've seen commentary from correlated authors and they don't know that much more than I do. A lot of times, they seem to be guessing. Any suggestions?

Re: Book of Revelation Commentary

Posted: July 30th, 2023, 9:07 pm
by Peace Will Be Taken
I've been working on this question. Almost everything that I have read (plus youtube stuff) is immersed in the false interpretations originating from the era of the Protestant Reformation. During this period The biblical Scholars of the day pinned all calamitous future prophecy on the Catholic church (or Roman Empire) This held true even in the early LDS interpretations of the identity of the “whore of all the earth” described by Nephi, which for many decades was pinned on the Catholic Church, following an overpowering precedent set by the Protestants. This also contributed to distorted interpretations of Nebuchadnezzar's dream to suggest that the latter day fourth Babylon is somehow a Reincarnation of the Roman Empire, or the European remnants thereof.. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/med ... b?lang=eng

This has also left Decades of Mormon Scholars saddled with a false interpretation of D&C 77 suggesting that the Seven Seals have all been anciently fulfilled (thousands of years ago) and that all that remains is maybe the end of the 6th and soon the 7th seal. That is not what it says (this was later clarified by JS viewtopic.php?p=1392060#p1392060) but such thinking has found its way into the church education system teachers manuals, and LDS biblical commentary for decades - to the extent that no one will dare to disagree.

It is quite discombobulated. I will stop complaining and offer a synopsis of Truth about the book of revelation, from which anyone can then figure out the remaining details quite easily. (you will find lots of supporting info in my thread on Ezras Eagle viewtopic.php?t=70611)

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Rev 6. Seven Seals, the first 4 of which are the 4 Horsemen. (a quick visualization is here viewtopic.php?p=1378195#p1378195)

1st Horseman - Coronavirus Plandemic (DeepState+BigPharma going forth Conquering and to Conquer, and temporarily overcoming the will of governments and the people of nearly all nations, to their own detriment)

2nd Horseman - This is when the wars begin, preceded by a nuclear false flag in the US in the fall of 2024, when Biden will be eliminated by the deep state, followed by the termination of the 2024 election, and the removal of both candidates. This will be a COG coup of the government - by three eagle heads, according to Ezra's Eagle, which are 3 of the 10 Horns that will take power at that time, with the AntiChrist in the background for a while longer. Together they will drive the nation toward a meatgrinder war in the middle east (Daniel 11). There wont be a WW3 as we have been programmed to expect (axis vs allies), just a random global breakdown of peace between nations. This while the US will launch all of its wealth and resources and supplies into a meatgrinder ground war in Asia, intended to waste US military might, resulting in "few men left" as described in Isaiah 24:6.

3rd Horseman - This is a global famine already being irreversibly driven today by the Deep state. wheat will not cost a penny. A penny at the time of King James was a new silver coin minted from a “Pound of British Sterling Silver” diced up into a couple hundred coins, equivalent to the silver Roman Denarius, of which Christ said “Render unto Caesar.” In Roman times and in the time of King James, the Denarius/Penny was one day's pay for a soldier, or for a hard laborer. A measure of wheat is one quart, about enough to make one unleavened loaf of bread, enough to stay alive for one day. Recalculated for this upcoming famine, a loaf of bread will cost $150, if you can get one at all. Next, whomever is dictating or controlling the cost of a loaf of bread, also declares "and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine". You will soon realize that the Horsemen Events are the dastardly deeds of the Deep State against the population of the world and America, prior to their destruction, which is then followed by the takeover of the Antichrist. The Deep State that is creating a deadly worldwide famine for the common man, while at the same time protecting resources for themselves, ie the oil and the wine.

4th Horseman - This is God's Judgment of the Deep State, referred to in this verse as "The Fourth Part", which is universally misinterpreted to mean the death of 25% of the world population. The 4th Horseman is a Double Whammy. Death and Hell follows with it. That means whomever is destroyed in the 4th Horseman goes straight to Hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200. This is the destruction of the Whore of Babylon described in Revelation 18. Those who have sold their soul already to the Devil, and are at an advanced state of wickedness, operating Satans Kingdom on earth. Pedophiles included. It is the destruction of Washington DC and wherever the tentacles of the Deep State reach, including for instance Hollywood or Academia or big Pharma etc. The First Part are the valiant followers of Christ. The Second Part are the good people of the Earth. The Third Part are those who are Deceived by Satan and must be urged to repent through the calamities that will follow (they are not 33%). The calamaties are God's mercy upon them to bring them to enlightenment, or remembrance, and repentance or to judgment (death). But The Fourth Part are those who are otherwise known as the Whore of Babylon or as the Great and Abominable Church, or the Deep State. They will be obliterated in one day according to Revelation, Ezdras, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel etc. The part that most Mormons don't want to talk about is that the cleansing of the church will precede this event. This is generally understood to be an earthquake and a flood in Salt Lake City and wherever else the cleansing is required. More on this when we get to the Commentary on Revelation 12

Immediately after the 4th horseman, which will topple or vaporize most governments and politicians, the nation and much of the world will be ripe for Anarchy. This becomes the backdrop against which the Antichrist will be welcomed, stepping into a massive power vacuum, endorsed by the remaining Seven Horns of the Beast, three of the 10 having been excised (killed) in the events leading up to the 4th Horseman - this is the death of the 3 Eagle Heads of Ezras Eagle, in rapid succession, also as described in Daniel 7:8 as three horns that are plucked up prior to the appearance of the AntiChrist. At the time the AntiChrist takes over America, it is small and filled with trouble (2 Esdras 12:30) so the 2nd and 3rd Horsemen must have done their job well, to destroy america from within, while wasting itself in a ground war in Asia (prophetic words of Princess Bride https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWW6aDpUvbQ)

FastForward on the AntiChrist and the False Prophet which runs in parallel with Seals 5-7. They will not waste any time, working a few miracles to decieve the desperate people. THey will bring world peace by stopping the wars they started. They will print up a fresh batch of e-money (if you take the mark) and whip out the food that mysteriously disappeared during the famine (if you take the mark) and if you dont take the mark you are certainly a Christian who must be desroyed. He kills plenty, but before he can finish the job he will be interrupted by the Ships of Chittim (perhaps the armies of the restored 10 tribes), after which the AntiChrist will later divert his attention to killing all the Jews in Jerusalem (China is involved).

5th Seal - this is the resurrection of the martyrs (given white robes, means that they are selectively resurrected). As Nephi was being shown the last days, and was commanded to stop writing, the last thing he wrote was 1Nephi 14:17 which states that after God destroys the Deep State, he will BEGIN to restore the Lost Tribes. At that time also he will resurrect the martyrs, gather and organize the 144k (described in Revelation 8), then soon thereafter comes the City of Zion, and the City of Enoch. The 5th Seal is when God BEGINS to organize his armies for the great and final conflict between good and evil on this earth.

6th Seal - Calamities begin. These verses describe earthquakes, probably re-uniting the continents, clearing out Missouri, Calif dropping into the ocean, city of Enoch landing in the gulf of Mexico, etc. This is the trigger event that indicates all subsequent calamities in the Book of Revelation, to craft the earth into the form God desires, and to repeatedly and progressively torment the Third Part unto repentance, and finally killing them if they dont.

This makes it clear that ALL SUBSEQUENT calamities of the book of Revelation (Trumpets and Vials) are a further detailed (not necessarily in chronological order) expansion of that which occurs throughout the 6th Seal, and in the beginning of the 7th Seal - the Trumpets and calamities continue, including the Wars of Revelation 9, until the Half Hour of Silence. Evidence of this is that they are directed toward the Third Part, the deceived, the unrepentant, those who have not received the Seal of God in their foreheads, those who have taken the mark of the beast. This can only occur after the appearance of the Antichrist. The calamities and wars continue into the beginning of the 7th Seal as indicated by D&C 77:13 which states that the arrival of the Locusts from the Bottomless Pit in Revelation 9 “is to be accomplished after the opening of the seventh seal, before the coming of Christ” (more info on that below)

7th Seal - Half hour of Silence in Heaven. This is the SILENCE that marks the end of the Trumpets, which must be completed before the 2nd Coming. This is truly half an hour in human time. This silence is not measured in Years (misinterpretations abound). For clarity, this verse belongs at the end of chapter 7, not the beginning of Chapter8. The cutoff point between chapters was not something that was created by the authors of the scriptures, these were later inserted by Scholars trying to make sense of what they were reading. Placing the 7th Seal at the beginning of Ch8 has led most scholars to misinterpret that the 7th Seal is what opens the 7 Trumpets, and that all of the Seals then Trumpets then Vials etc are in Linear Chronological Sequence of Time. They are not. Latter Day scripture makes it clear that the half hour of silence occurs just prior to the second coming (D&C 88:95 "And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and IMMEDIATELY after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled.")

With this you are free to consider the Trumpets and the Vials. Bad stuff that God unleashes on the unrepentant. But at the same time the Devil is persecuting the Christians and then the Jews. Fight to the end to accomplish Gods work. Victory if you are beheaded in the process.

Revelation 9

The most complex imagery of the Trumpets and Vials is the 5th Angel/Trumpet described in Revelation 9. JS asked specifically about this in D&C 77, but did not receive answers that were to be included in scripture (just like Nephi). The 5th Angel of Revelation 9 describes scorpion-locusts from that bottomless pit that hurt but do not kill men, for 5 months. If you search Google images you will see nothing but confusion on what this could possibly mean. https://www.google.com/search?q=fifth+A ... 9&tbm=isch

But its actually very simple. After the collapse of America which occurs during Horsemen 2-4, a new Global Power arrives on the scene, which is the military might enforcing the AntiChrist’s NWO. That nation is China. According to Rev 17:9 “The seven heads are seven mountains (nations), on which the woman sitteth (whore of babylon, deep state). And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.” This is about the Kingdoms that make up the NWO. FIVE of these present day nations are the fallen “former empires” like England, Japan, Germany, Russia (the one that recently received a deadly wound but lived, Rev 13:3). The current power is the United States. When the United States is destroyed, China will become the new and Exclusive World Power of the NWO, but according to scripture “must continue a short space.” just a few years until the second coming.

As soon as China takes this position, after the 4th Horseman, a timer begins. Something like “an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year” later the invasions begin, with 200M Chinese (and other NWO) soldiers, which is the 6th Angel of Rev 9:14-16, when the soldiers and tanks roll in together to finish the job. But remember the Chinese invented the Art of War. Before they invade, they will send out tanks to lay siege to every city or every nation that they intend to take over or destroy (old Jerusalem being high on the list, a target identified by the AntiChrist). That will be accomplished by a 5 month siege of Locust-Scorpions, as described by John the Revelator, after which the 200M soldiers will be mobilized to finish the job. Here is what the Locust-Scorpions from the Bottomless Pit will look like

Revelation 9
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And a quickie on the 10 horns as described by Daniel. There is lots more info in Rev 17
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Revelation 10 & 11

Rev 10 and Rev 11 make it clear that the Seventh Angel/Trumpet also signifies the Coming of Christ, as does the 7th Seal (silence in Heaven, end of the Trumpets). This is evidence that the Seals and Trumpets run in parallel in time, specifically the Trumpets run during the 6th Seal and early in the 7th Seal (maybe also during the 5th Seal).

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Revelation 12

This is more stuff byJohn the Revelator that is delivered not in sequence. Its about the cleansing of the Church that will occur just before the Destruction of the Whore of Babylon, the 4th Horseman. Not everyone wants to hear this.

D&C 112:24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation (the 4th Horseman) and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord. And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord.

As seen by Spencer in Visions of Glory, the cleansing of the Church will occur at the same time as the Judgement of the Deep State. This is accounted for in Rev 12: 15 "And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." This is the persecution of the Saints that begins when the AntiChrist takes over, immediately after the 4th Horseman.

The prophet will not survive this flood, according to Daniel 11:22 which describes that BEFORE the AntiChrist appears (or can appear) The Prince of The Covenant dies with the arms of a flood (along with the armies of Babylon or the Deep State). If you study carefully VOG you will catch this, and that the presidency of the church is not able to re-organize for months. This occurs just before the AntiChrist appears, at the same time as the Destruction of the Deep State, the Whore of Babylon, which is Washington DC and this destruction will extend to wherever the Deep State's tentacles run.

Knowing this about the death of the Prophet just prior to the appearance of the Antichrist, provides the backdrop to properly interpret this scripture:

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And so you know what holds (the AntiChrist) back, so that he will be revealed in his own time. 7 For the hidden power of lawlessness is already at work. However, the one who holds him back will do so until he is taken out of the way, 8 and then the lawless one will be revealed... This is the NetBible translation, based on the Greek, generously documented (https://netbible.org/bible/2+Thessalonians+2)

The KJV is less clear - v6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed.

The translation from Greek above, makes it clear that the power that withholds the AntiChrist is concentrated in One Person, one who holds the keys. Those who believe the Pre-Trib-Rapture, misinterpret this verse to claim that the AntiChrist is constrained by the presence of those who are "not-as-yet" raptured. Once they get beamed out, the devil takes over. There is an "itching ears" situation going on... (2 Timothy Chapter 4 v3)


Revelation 14

verses 6-12 gives another quick view that reinforces the sequence of major events. Three Angels, #1 preach the gospel, #2 destruction of babylon (4th horseman), #3 mark of the beast (immediately after the 4th Horseman):

v6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

v8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

v 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, tormented with fire and brimstone...


Revelation 16

These are the Vials. When these get poured out bad stuff happens, like sores and pestilence, and water turns to blood, which means that the water is contaminated. You dont want to drink it. Not happy.

v10 "And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast (now China) and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain."

v12 the sixth vial is connected to the great and final battle of Armageddon, preparig the way for China ("the Kings of the East") to invade Jersulam.

Finally, in v17 "The seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, IT IS DONE." This is evidence that the Vials also run in paralell with the Trumpets, during the 6th and 7th seals, and that the SEALS and TRUMPETS and VIALS are all completed together, at the second coming.

However, the 16th chapter in v18-21 returns to describe again the earthquakes of the 6th seal, which is not part of the Vials themselves, but the backdrop reminder of the events and other calamities going on, as the Seven Vials begin to be poured out.


Revelation 17&18

Next, this is really cool that the 7 angels with their vials pull John aside to back up in time and tell him exactly how the whore of bablylon gets destroyed (the 4th Horseman). Read and enjoy.

The point that is missed by everyone in Rev 18 is that the destruction of Babylon is the end of the dollar, and effectively all dollar based commerce, globally. v11 "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more." This is usually misinterpreted that the merchants are sad because all of the rich people in Babylon are dead, and "there is no one else to sell to?" Nope. Its becuase the Fed is destroyed, the dollar which is backed by the US military, turns to vapor, and there is nothing to replace it on a global scale. Learn to Barter, everybody.


Revelation Chapters 19-22 is celebrating God & Christs victory. Its beautiful. Immerse yourself in it. Come Quickly, Lord Jesus.

Re: Book of Revelation Commentary

Posted: July 31st, 2023, 12:57 pm
by Peace Will Be Taken
My favorite way to immerse myself in the Book of Revelation is the Alexander Scourby audiobook. Here it is below starting at Ch5 which introduces the 7 Seals. If you listen to the end of Ch18 (the destruction of Babylon) you can get the big picture of Revelation in 40 minutes.

https://youtu.be/_MwOTnyQ0XA?t=858 (direct link from chapter 5)

The entire book of Revelation (in 70 minutes)

Re: Book of Revelation Commentary

Posted: July 31st, 2023, 4:22 pm
by Niemand
I see 2 Esdras is referred to above. This is a guide to End Times Prophecy in Apocrypha/Pseudepigrapha: It
Includes discussions of 2 Esdras, (1) Enoch, Nicodemus, Ascension of Isaiah, Gad the Seer and the Shepherd of Hermas and also cross references to Revelation.

viewtopic.php?t=71659

Cross references with the Book of Revelation
Revelation 2:7 Enoch 25:4-6
Revelation 3:5 Enoch 90:31
Revelation 3:10 Enoch 37:5
Revelation 3:17 Enoch 92:8
Revelation 3:17 Enoch 62:14
Revelation 4:6 Enoch 40:2
Revelation 4:8 Enoch 39:13
Revelation 7:1 Enoch 69:22
Revelation 7:15 Enoch 45:4
Revelation 9:1 Enoch 86:1
Revelation 9:20 Enoch 99:7
Revelation 13:14 Enoch 54:6
Revelation 14:9 Enoch 48:9
Revelation 14:10 Enoch 20:1
Revelation 14:20 Enoch 100:3
Revelation 17:14 Enoch 9:4
Revelation 20:13 Enoch 51:1
Revelation 10:15 Enoch 90:26
Revelation 22:3 Enoch 25:6

Re: Book of Revelation Commentary

Posted: July 31st, 2023, 4:31 pm
by ransomme
Atrasado wrote: July 29th, 2023, 3:31 pm Avraham Gileadi's apocalyptic commentary had been so helpful in understanding the Book of Isaiah. I'm wondering if there is a commentary of similar quality for the Book of Revelation. I've seen commentary from correlated authors and they don't know that much more than I do. A lot of times, they seem to be guessing. Any suggestions?
I haven't seen one yet, but understanding Isaiah has helped a lot. One way it has helped for me, is that after studying Gileadi it has become easier to analyze and pick out details and parallels (some on my own, and many from.others).

Re: Book of Revelation Commentary

Posted: July 31st, 2023, 4:43 pm
by Atrasado
ransomme wrote: July 31st, 2023, 4:31 pm
Atrasado wrote: July 29th, 2023, 3:31 pm Avraham Gileadi's apocalyptic commentary had been so helpful in understanding the Book of Isaiah. I'm wondering if there is a commentary of similar quality for the Book of Revelation. I've seen commentary from correlated authors and they don't know that much more than I do. A lot of times, they seem to be guessing. Any suggestions?
I haven't seen one yet, but understanding Isaiah has helped a lot. One way it has helped for me, is that after studying Gileadi it has become easier to analyze and pick out details and parallels (some on my own, and many from.others).
Agreed. There are still some things I don't yet understand, though.

Re: Book of Revelation Commentary

Posted: December 10th, 2023, 8:09 am
by DSB234
Here is a video that shares some insights to the first 3 Chapters of Revelation. This information is not found in any manual or on google. If you have this key it helps one understand the rest of the book. would love any thoughts and feedback.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Re2jhCN-o