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I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:08 pm
by Mamabear
And lower than liars… Including those that lie and steal and get rich in the name of God. How about you?
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Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:10 pm
by Robin Hood
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:08 pm
And lower than liars… Including those that lie and steal and get rich in the name of God. How about you?
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Don't be so hard on yourself.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:10 pm
by Luke
Still in the bitter exmo phase…
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:13 pm
by Mamabear
Luke wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:10 pm
Still in the bitter exmo phase…
Lol. You still love me though because you understand.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:15 pm
by Luke
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:13 pm
Luke wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:10 pm
Still in the bitter exmo phase…
Lol. You still love me though because you understand.
Yes I do get it, I went through a similar phase when I realised the Church was in apostasy. Now I’m at peace with where the Church has chosen to be (even though it’s sad and to their detriment). I’m sure you will too eventually.
Just make sure to read plenty of Fundamentalist literature.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:30 pm
by TwochurchesOnly
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:08 pm
And lower than liars… Including those that lie and steal and get rich in the name of God. How about you?
IMG_4460.jpeg
Freaky diagram
A psychotic "doctrine of men" twist on chutes & ladders board game
It isn't true - but truly messes with minds of many
I don't play their "games" anymore
Lol the apostasy exit !
more like a "get outta jail free " card
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:32 pm
by buffalo_girl
Who would want to be stuck in any of those spheres forever!?
Seems a simplistic & totally unimaginative concept of eternity
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:36 pm
by HVDC
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:08 pm
And lower than liars… Including those that lie and steal and get rich in the name of God. How about you?
IMG_4460.jpeg
I don't know where you are at in your journey.
But I wouldn't worry too much about what other people think.
Remember.
The Sabbath was made for man.
Not man for the Sabbath.
This should give you some idea about your value.
So focus on how you treat others.
And let God focus on how He treats you.
Sir H
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:40 pm
by HVDC
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:08 pm
And lower than liars… Including those that lie and steal and get rich in the name of God. How about you?
IMG_4460.jpeg
The best word to describe how the recently deceased feel after death.
Surprised!
Everything they thought they knew.
Was wrong.
LOL.
Sir H
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:40 pm
by Mamabear
HVDC wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:36 pm
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:08 pm
And lower than liars… Including those that lie and steal and get rich in the name of God. How about you?
IMG_4460.jpeg
I don't know where you are at in your journey.
But I wouldn't worry too much about what other people think.
Remember.
The Sabbath was made for man.
Not man for the Sabbath.
This should give you some idea about your value.
So focus on how you treat others.
And let God focus on how He treats you.
Sir H
I’m not worried, I’m good. I just thought it was very funny.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:45 pm
by HVDC
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:40 pm
HVDC wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:36 pm
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:08 pm
And lower than liars… Including those that lie and steal and get rich in the name of God. How about you?
IMG_4460.jpeg
I don't know where you are at in your journey.
But I wouldn't worry too much about what other people think.
Remember.
The Sabbath was made for man.
Not man for the Sabbath.
This should give you some idea about your value.
So focus on how you treat others.
And let God focus on how He treats you.
Sir H
I’m not worried, I’m good. I just thought it was very funny.
Good.
Had me worried for a second.
That chart is B.S.
Sir H
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 5:56 pm
by Niemand
What this chart doesn't indicate is that our choices before birth are supposed to determine our position according to traditional LDS theology.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 6:22 pm
by markharr
Only if you looked into the sun and denied its existence.
All sins shall be forgiven except the sin against the Holy Ghost; for Jesus will save all except the sons of perdition. What must a man do to commit the unpardonable sin? He must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened unto him, and know God, and then sin against him. After a man has sinned against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for him. He has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it; and from that time he begins to be an enemy. This is the case with many apostates of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. When a man begins to be an enemy to this work, he hunts me; he seeks to kill me, and never ceases to thirst for my blood. He gets the spirit of the Devil-- the same spirit that they had who crucified the Lord of Life,-- the same spirit that sins against the Holy Ghost. You cannot save such persons; you cannot bring them to repentance: they make open war like the Devil, and awful is the consequence.
Even Judas is unlikely to qualify as a son of perdition and Judas walked and talked with Christ every day for years. Judas would have personally witnessed miracles.
https://emp.byui.edu/ANDERSONR/itc/Book ... thg_js.htm
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 6:49 pm
by Wolfwoman
Of course, this isn’t from the church or taught by the church. This diagram comes from anti Mormons.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 7:03 pm
by Good & Global
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:08 pm
And lower than liars… Including those that lie and steal and get rich in the name of God. How about you?
I didn't know that I was better than you. Now let me invite you back to Sunday School.
We have a new manual this year the Come Follow Me But It's Not About Me manual.
It has all the buzz words of Russell M Nelson over this year with a foreword by the Savior.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 7:08 pm
by blitzinstripes
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:08 pm
And lower than liars… Including those that lie and steal and get rich in the name of God. How about you?
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Have you apostatized from the Lord, or from the corporation of the Ensign Peak Investors?
Huge difference.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 7:16 pm
by Good & Global
The diagram teaches everything that the church culture teaches. I think even on my mission we had a diagram like this or similar which was approved by the GA mission president who was over CES stuff and we brought our "questioning" investigators to a meeting where a specific member would teach this with his slides and materials.
That said do I think God has everything so cut and dry. Absolutely not! Mark shared a link from BYUI and there is another link from same institution by Bruce Satterfeld which is amazing and never taught in the broad church culture but it has many LDS apostles and prophets commenting on various things but like I said it is never shared with the broader church.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 7:20 pm
by Juliet
Has anyone read the words of Jesus on the matter?
Luke 18
10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. 15And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them. 16But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 7:22 pm
by Mamabear
Wolfwoman wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 6:49 pm
Of course, this isn’t from the church or taught by the church. This diagram comes from anti Mormons.
This is what I was taught in the church.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 7:28 pm
by Original_Intent
That's a dumb diagram - apostasy doesn't send you to outer darkness.
Tithing and chastity are on the good path, but somehow charity got overlooked? smdh.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 7:34 pm
by FrankOne
i like the path that isn't shown...
it peels off of the straight and narrow, like the one to outer darkness but loops up to "First Estate". To scale, I think I'm a quarter inch along after my apostasy.
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 7:39 pm
by Mamabear
TwochurchesOnly wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:30 pm
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:08 pm
And lower than liars… Including those that lie and steal and get rich in the name of God. How about you?
IMG_4460.jpeg
Freaky diagram
A psychotic "doctrine of men" twist on chutes & ladders board game
It isn't true - but truly messes with minds of many
I don't play their "games" anymore
Lol the apostasy exit !
more like a "get outta jail free " card
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Look who went down the biggest slide, the one who stuck his hand in the cookie jar!
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 7:41 pm
by Mamabear
Original_Intent wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 7:28 pm
That's a dumb diagram - apostasy doesn't send you to outer darkness.
Tithing and chastity are on the good path, but somehow charity got overlooked? smdh.
I was taught that apostasy does send you to outer darkness. You weren’t? Soon the church will be claiming they never taught it. Lol
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 7:42 pm
by Wolfwoman
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 7:22 pm
Wolfwoman wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 6:49 pm
Of course, this isn’t from the church or taught by the church. This diagram comes from anti Mormons.
This is what I was taught in the church.
Well I guess you were taught wrong.
Apostasy would only send you to outer darkness if you committed the unpardonable sin of denying the Holy Ghost.
According to Joseph Smith, to commit the unpardonable sin, a man “has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it”
Re: I’m lower than whoremongers and adulterers
Posted: July 27th, 2023, 7:44 pm
by Mamabear
Wolfwoman wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 7:42 pm
Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 7:22 pm
Wolfwoman wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 6:49 pm
Of course, this isn’t from the church or taught by the church. This diagram comes from anti Mormons.
This is what I was taught in the church.
Well I guess you were taught wrong.
Apostasy would only send you to outer darkness if you committed the unpardonable sin of denying the Holy Ghost.
According to Joseph Smith, to commit the unpardonable sin, a man “has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it”
I get it. But I guess what the church added was if you leave the church you’re in apostasy.
