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Good & Global wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 11:25 am The word of wisdom is another prime example of this mess.

Origins
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Its origins came about by a question from Emma and presumably the women of the church not wanting to clean up tobacco spittle on the floors of the meeting rooms (this was in the school of the prophets where they received instruction from on high, think about that, no instruction before the instruction began for something so important) and D&C 89 was given - more as a suggestion and to show what was being done by conspiring men "[NOT] by commandment or contraint" So basically God would need to contradict this revelation in order for ongoing revelation to occur? Yes.

Practice or Application
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Prophets and apostles after this revelation was given continued to drink alcohol and use tobacco products (Joseph Smith even right before his death in jail, Brigham Young, etc) presumably all the way until Heber J Grant who being addicted to many things decided not only to quit these things for himself and to impress evangelical temperance societies but made the word of wisdom into a commandment, not just for himself but for everyone else. It now included coffee and tea as interpretation of hot drinks reference. Yes there are instances where hot temperatures are actually not good for the body's gastrointestinal health on a regular basis. You can look this data up. However, this would be all items that are hot including soup, hot chocolate, apple cider, any hot liquid not just coffee or tea. This commandment on alcohol, coffee, tea, tobacco was tied to entrance into exaltation/salvation (temple)

Yet, how is the actual revelation observed today by most members globally and locally? Here is how most members believe and variances or member questions in parentheses - No alcohol (no baked in items?), no tobacco, no coffee (coffee infused items like ice cream or tiramisu? postum? iced coffee?), no tea (herbal or fruit teas?), (no caffeine? no coca cola/BYU couldn't sell it?, chocolate?), (eating meat sparingly? but it is a ward bbq, etc), (eating fruits in their season?) and (using grain?). So the majority of the text in the word of wisdom in D&C 89 is ignored in favor of the cultural/must be prophet okay with interpretation of it because if the majority of the church is following the prophet and they are doing it so it must be what the prophet wants or he would say something. Right?

Now let's consider all the things that are missing from this. Anyone can use any recreational drug as long as it is prescribed. They can also use opiods, etc. James E Talmage even I believe used heroin or something else to relax while writing Jesus the Christ.

Medical marijuana is completely okay in the church. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/chu ... e?lang=eng Obviously, we all need medication from time to time and varies on individual but there is a significant loophole in church as long as something is deemed legal.

Ongoing Revelation?
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The original revelation was to shine light on the designs of conspiring men. Yet what about the dangers of sugars causing much of Utah's diabetes in mormon populations? (Church owned a sugar factory.) And what about the artificial ones like aspartame, saccharin, high fructose corn syrup? Even high fructose corn syrup is being fed to bees who infuse it into supposedly natural honey.

Where is the warning about grain that is made for man yet today is full of pesticides and is genetically modified (gluten intolerance anyone?) What about all the warnings of the antiobiotics used used in our milk and meat? Any words to shine a light on the dangers of seed oils, margarine, etc? And now we have covid shots being administered to edible livestock as well as plant based foods made in factories and eating bugs? Where are all of the revelatory warnings on those conspiring designs being foisted on humankind? Mormon Crickets!

TheDuke wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 12:17 pm

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 9:43 am

TheDuke wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 9:32 am
well here is what you said "Those who suppose they are moving towards the golden orb are the ones most blinded by the craftiness of men"

So, to be clear your saying "those who suppose" making a claim that those who believe in the celestial "golden orb" are "supposing" or believing in false notions. "are the ones most blinded", they are stupid or deceived, and easy to fall for mans teachings. And "craftiness of me" meaning you see the teachings of the celestial as not of god but of men.

Doesn't have a thing to do with vaxxes, and my comments are that you must not accept the concepts of "heaven" stands. Nor your ability to make logic to back up the comments. This isn't rocket science, this is just throwing rocks, I guess, but at least have a target to throw and and a reason that is expoundable. But you jumped from the diagram to saying how stupid those who believe in Jesus' teachings are, at least about heaven and hell and many mansions, etc...

My comment was present tense, about today, right now.

At this point in time, church members whose minds are glued to the leadership will not apply current events to scriptures. All their thinking and speech is bounded by the limits set by the leaders' examples. They can't process covid, for example. Ether 8 is remote to them.

In fact, for these people, the church DEFINES right and wrong by its very actions. If the church promotes the UN Agenda 2030 sustainable development goals, then Agenda.2930 is RIGHT. If the church doesn't apply Ether 8's warning to current events, then such applications by members are WRONG. If the vaxx is understood to have killed family members after the prophet called it a "literal godsend", then.... there is a sustained mental impasse that amounts to paralysis.

And that diagram is in excess of what Jesus taught.

sorry you are just making negative stuff up that has nothing to do with the diagram based on teachings of "Chip" w/o mingling scripture..

And I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a 70 that knows an apostle that says (yeah love it)

markharr wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 11:12 am

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 11:08 am I have a friend who grew up Mormon. He knows a Seventy who told him that the reason tobacco, alcohol, coffee, and tea were prohibited was partly because the church didn't want its members wasting money on those things, so that they'd be more likely to tithe.

This story is heresay and unverifiable.

The word of wisdom as received as revelation is clearly documented.

Whether you want to believe the interpretation provided by the Church of Jesus Christ of Lstter Day Saints or not is up to you but section 89 is pretty clear on alcohol and tobacco.

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 2:33 pm The word of wisdom is... Wisdom.

Not a commandment, nor is it a prerequisite to receive celestial exaltation.

Nobody follows the word of wisdom in full. Not the TBMs and not even the Q15 themselves.

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 1:08 pm

TheDuke wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 12:17 pm

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 9:43 am


My comment was present tense, about today, right now.

At this point in time, church members whose minds are glued to the leadership will not apply current events to scriptures. All their thinking and speech is bounded by the limits set by the leaders' examples. They can't process covid, for example. Ether 8 is remote to them.

In fact, for these people, the church DEFINES right and wrong by its very actions. If the church promotes the UN Agenda 2030 sustainable development goals, then Agenda.2930 is RIGHT. If the church doesn't apply Ether 8's warning to current events, then such applications by members are WRONG. If the vaxx is understood to have killed family members after the prophet called it a "literal godsend", then.... there is a sustained mental impasse that amounts to paralysis.

And that diagram is in excess of what Jesus taught.

sorry you are just making negative stuff up that has nothing to do with the diagram based on teachings of "Chip" w/o mingling scripture..

And I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a 70 that knows an apostle that says (yeah love it)

I register that you are upset. Being upset is not allowed in the church these days.

TheDuke wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 3:08 pm

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 1:08 pm

TheDuke wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 12:17 pm

sorry you are just making negative stuff up that has nothing to do with the diagram based on teachings of "Chip" w/o mingling scripture..

And I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a 70 that knows an apostle that says (yeah love it)

I register that you are upset. Being upset is not allowed in the church these days.

I'm not upset! I'm having a great day. I just don't think throwing rocks at glass houses in the dark is anything but a liberal cluster flop and feel that at least if you want to do it, man up and say you're one of them libs! Ain't right for someone to claim conservative and act like a lump and all.

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 2:33 pm

markharr wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 11:12 am

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 11:08 am I have a friend who grew up Mormon. He knows a Seventy who told him that the reason tobacco, alcohol, coffee, and tea were prohibited was partly because the church didn't want its members wasting money on those things, so that they'd be more likely to tithe.

This story is heresay and unverifiable.

The word of wisdom as received as revelation is clearly documented.

Whether you want to believe the interpretation provided by the Church of Jesus Christ of Lstter Day Saints or not is up to you but section 89 is pretty clear on alcohol and tobacco.

The word of wisdom is... Wisdom.

Not a commandment, nor is it a prerequisite to receive celestial exaltation.

Nobody follows the word of wisdom in full. Not the TBMs and not even the Q15 themselves.

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 3:20 pm

TheDuke wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 3:08 pm

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 1:08 pm


I register that you are upset. Being upset is not allowed in the church these days.

I'm not upset! I'm having a great day. I just don't think throwing rocks at glass houses in the dark is anything but a liberal cluster flop and feel that at least if you want to do it, man up and say you're one of them libs! Ain't right for someone to claim conservative and act like a lump and all.

I think what I stated was pretty clear and I believe many here understood what I meant and are in agreement. Of course, we don't know if the Seventy REALLY said that about tithing, but I believe my friend. His word is sufficient for me. And anyone can weigh the plausibility of that story. If it's true, it only reflects the Seventy's understanding, anyway. We are all adults and can process information for ourselves.

You have been getting mad at a lot of people here lately. How about YOU admit THAT?

Good & Global wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 11:55 am Apostate is nothing more than a label and used as a weapon by those who are wrong doers themselves.

By all conventions of the word, Christ was an "apostate" relative to the church that everyone belonged to at the time. He did not agree with them. He was vocal about it. He also associated with all walks of life not just members. And some of his associations might have even landed him in the crosshairs of this new mormon mccarthyism. He was at many times labeled a heretic and said to have a devil even. Yet we believe he was right and that was right with God which is all that mattered.

Given the Savior's history of wearing a robe, sandals (basically no white shirt and tie) and having a beard - he would simply not fit the corporate cookie cutter mold of being mormon. Yet how important are those outward appearances in terms of our salvation.

TheDuke wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 5:47 pm

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 3:20 pm

TheDuke wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 3:08 pm

I'm not upset! I'm having a great day. I just don't think throwing rocks at glass houses in the dark is anything but a liberal cluster flop and feel that at least if you want to do it, man up and say you're one of them libs! Ain't right for someone to claim conservative and act like a lump and all.

I think what I stated was pretty clear and I believe many here understood what I meant and are in agreement. Of course, we don't know if the Seventy REALLY said that about tithing, but I believe my friend. His word is sufficient for me. And anyone can weigh the plausibility of that story. If it's true, it only reflects the Seventy's understanding, anyway. We are all adults and can process information for ourselves.

You have been getting mad at a lot of people here lately. How about YOU admit THAT?

nope, mainly putting the record straight with you and Info, I'm not mad.

I watched a preacher the other day, interesting TV guy a Jewish Jesus follower. He said you have to stand up for what you believe. People get upset but say what you believe. Truth, lies, Jesus is Christ, whatever.

You and a few feel you have a right to make an unsubstantiated opinion fact. You are right you say something terrible about someone or the church or the government or whatever and everyone piles on and slaps your back for making up BS, but BS for "our side". Sorry, but BS is BS, step in it, whether from a Guernsey or a a bull or a cow or a holstein, they all are BS. I feel we should win this war with "truth" not more lies. You see a diagram, not LDS and not accurate and you start saying BS about the "golden orb" the golden orb in the celestial kingdom or heaven or mansions of the father, then off to the races, declaring ANYONE WHO BELIEVES SUCH STUFF TO BE IGNORANT AND FOLLOWING EVIL MEN! I say you didn't follow the OP, I say you crossed the line with lies, I say you don't have any real right to go off on some Vax tangent here. I say when you got confronted (like Info the other day) you pushed back until you realized you acted like a child, then did the only logical thing. Attacked me, wondering now why I pushed back at a few people.

You cannot even acknowledge I said the "covenant path" stuff was just as far off as the non-LDS diagram. You cannot acknowledge that I was correct and that you were throwing a tantrum for no reason. But, I accept it. I'm not mad. Frankly, there is nothing I can do to keep the world from going to hell. I'm one person, but I can be a pain in the @#$ of those who, claim to be on the side of right but are acting like Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and DAOs, etc.. maybe think more carefully about words next time. Like suing the local mayor for vax rules, cannot win but may make him think twice next time?

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 2:33 pm

markharr wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 11:12 am

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 11:08 am I have a friend who grew up Mormon. He knows a Seventy who told him that the reason tobacco, alcohol, coffee, and tea were prohibited was partly because the church didn't want its members wasting money on those things, so that they'd be more likely to tithe.

This story is heresay and unverifiable.

The word of wisdom as received as revelation is clearly documented.

Whether you want to believe the interpretation provided by the Church of Jesus Christ of Lstter Day Saints or not is up to you but section 89 is pretty clear on alcohol and tobacco.

The word of wisdom is... Wisdom.

Not a commandment, nor is it a prerequisite to receive celestial exaltation.

Nobody follows the word of wisdom in full. Not the TBMs and not even the Q15 themselves.

Ymarsakar wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 7:01 pm

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 2:33 pm

markharr wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 11:12 am


This story is heresay and unverifiable.

The word of wisdom as received as revelation is clearly documented.

Whether you want to believe the interpretation provided by the Church of Jesus Christ of Lstter Day Saints or not is up to you but section 89 is pretty clear on alcohol and tobacco.

The word of wisdom is... Wisdom.

Not a commandment, nor is it a prerequisite to receive celestial exaltation.

Nobody follows the word of wisdom in full. Not the TBMs and not even the Q15 themselves.

I was adhering to similar diet restrictions befote i heard of this lds thing.

Coffee, never liked it. Makes my skin itchy. Alcohol, too dangerous for someone with my skills. Tea, tasted bitter usually.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 6:25 pm Funny story (to me). My wife and I were sitting with my parents at the kitchen table one afternoon. The subject of beards came up, my beard. I've had a beard for a decade or so. I prefer a beard and so does my wife. My Mother isn't a fan but she doesn't judge me. My Father has never had a beard more than camping scruff although he had a mustache for my entire childhood. My parents were both raised in the church and serve faithfully. They are very solid members by any measure. So my Father reminds me of a common beard joke. He asked why anyone would want to grow the same hair that grows wild on their butt, on their face.

I immediately pointed at the unframed 8x10" picture of serious Jesus hanging on our kitchen wall next to the stairs and said to my Father, "why don't you ask him"? My Mom had her back to that wall but she began to smile because she knew who I was pointing at. She then looked at my Dad and said, "he's got a point." My Dad said, "I've never liked how Jesus is portrayed in church pictures." I was floored when he said that! I've never heard him say something like that. This is a man who listens to my issues with the church but mostly tells me to doubt my doubts. Of course, we don't know what Jesus really looked like but the long hair and beard seems likely given that his ministry was long before supercuts existed.

He knows Jesus probably had a beard and long hair and yet he's uncomfortable with the classic Mormon depiction. I think he'd prefer something like this:

Why would reality make him uncomfortable? I think something much deeper is going on here. I think for his entire life he's seen an ideal and when the Savior doesn't meet the expectation of a tie and white shirt uniform he subconsciously believes to be required for access to the covenant path it flips a switch in his head. I saw that switch get flipped and it surprised me. I think this is something we're all going to experience no matter how smart we think we are. I'm keeping the beard

Good & Global wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 7:10 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 6:25 pm Funny story (to me). My wife and I were sitting with my parents at the kitchen table one afternoon. The subject of beards came up, my beard. I've had a beard for a decade or so. I prefer a beard and so does my wife. My Mother isn't a fan but she doesn't judge me. My Father has never had a beard more than camping scruff although he had a mustache for my entire childhood. My parents were both raised in the church and serve faithfully. They are very solid members by any measure. So my Father reminds me of a common beard joke. He asked why anyone would want to grow the same hair that grows wild on their butt, on their face.

I immediately pointed at the unframed 8x10" picture of serious Jesus hanging on our kitchen wall next to the stairs and said to my Father, "why don't you ask him"? My Mom had her back to that wall but she began to smile because she knew who I was pointing at. She then looked at my Dad and said, "he's got a point." My Dad said, "I've never liked how Jesus is portrayed in church pictures." I was floored when he said that! I've never heard him say something like that. This is a man who listens to my issues with the church but mostly tells me to doubt my doubts. Of course, we don't know what Jesus really looked like but the long hair and beard seems likely given that his ministry was long before supercuts existed.

He knows Jesus probably had a beard and long hair and yet he's uncomfortable with the classic Mormon depiction. I think he'd prefer something like this:

Why would reality make him uncomfortable? I think something much deeper is going on here. I think for his entire life he's seen an ideal and when the Savior doesn't meet the expectation of a tie and white shirt uniform he subconsciously believes to be required for access to the covenant path it flips a switch in his head. I saw that switch get flipped and it surprised me. I think this is something we're all going to experience no matter how smart we think we are. I'm keeping the beard

I am not going to lie to you Seed Starter as a desperately faithful TBM I judged people with beards as I was instructed to judge them by the church. The people who wore them were somehow less spirit filled, less valiant to not be following very closely the standards of the church (synonymous with the words of the prophet) even to the point of somehow feeling these people were bordering on unworthiness. Now where would I get this idea from? I say desperately faithful as I wanted to get married in the church and was trying to do everything I could to merit the blessings of heaven in selecting a partner and in seeking salvation and so the more closely you follow, the more blessings? Right?

So the origins of this prejudice goes all the way back to the white shirt doctrine. It was a sign of respect, of reverence. Someone who obviously didn't respect or show reverence for the Savior was not going to have the spirit. https://www.ldsliving.com/white-dress-s ... id/s/87765

But is that really how we show respect? Or is it more respectful not to take the Savior's name in vain by using it so many times in vain repetitions like the church does in their website addresses and branding? (see https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/ comeuntochrist) (nametags, media usage, etc)

The White Shirt doctrine came about in the 1950s when Prophet McKay was creating a brand for the church and this closely matched to IBM executives or salespeople. It has been perpetuated since then. Do we really think God cares about someone wearing a white shirt and tie to the temple or sacrament when they possibly can't afford it or what is in their hearts? Something about death in white sepulchres comes to mind as well. Jesus was met in person by people who were dirty and even soiled clothing. The same with the apostles in Acts 3 by the man laid in front of the temple. They did not have nor did they care about money or what it would buy. Contrast this with the church.

In any case, I finally settled back into how I was before all this with looking more on the heart as in 1 Samuel 16:7
I guess part of it was that I was missing something, desperately seeking salvation and I would do anything to get it including not listening to anyone or disrespecting those around me by judging them because somehow the church was okay with this and they were the way. Maybe your father is in the same boat of uncertainty and seeking something.

This picture that you showed of the side by side LDS version of Christ compared to their standards really hit home with me a while back and allowed me to challenge this thinking. This is the whole problem with the church we are never allowed to challenge our thinking on anything outside of how things line up with what the church says for fear that we would lose our family in the hereafter or our salvation. How do you become better without being able to challenge your thinking? The simple answer is you can't.

So show your father that picture maybe it will dislodge the mental software the church installed. The church's expectations do not line up with reality or the way in which this world really exists. We always assume the brethren are okay with how Jesus looks. Yet they force these expectations on people when there are a lot more serious things they should be focusing on. The fact that even Jesus can't be himself in the church is really telling. Image over substance.

Mamabear wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 5:08 pm And lower than liars… Including those that lie and steal and get rich in the name of God. How about you?
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Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 6:33 pm

TheDuke wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 5:47 pm

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 3:20 pm


I think what I stated was pretty clear and I believe many here understood what I meant and are in agreement. Of course, we don't know if the Seventy REALLY said that about tithing, but I believe my friend. His word is sufficient for me. And anyone can weigh the plausibility of that story. If it's true, it only reflects the Seventy's understanding, anyway. We are all adults and can process information for ourselves.

You have been getting mad at a lot of people here lately. How about YOU admit THAT?

nope, mainly putting the record straight with you and Info, I'm not mad.

I watched a preacher the other day, interesting TV guy a Jewish Jesus follower. He said you have to stand up for what you believe. People get upset but say what you believe. Truth, lies, Jesus is Christ, whatever.

You and a few feel you have a right to make an unsubstantiated opinion fact. You are right you say something terrible about someone or the church or the government or whatever and everyone piles on and slaps your back for making up BS, but BS for "our side". Sorry, but BS is BS, step in it, whether from a Guernsey or a a bull or a cow or a holstein, they all are BS. I feel we should win this war with "truth" not more lies. You see a diagram, not LDS and not accurate and you start saying BS about the "golden orb" the golden orb in the celestial kingdom or heaven or mansions of the father, then off to the races, declaring ANYONE WHO BELIEVES SUCH STUFF TO BE IGNORANT AND FOLLOWING EVIL MEN! I say you didn't follow the OP, I say you crossed the line with lies, I say you don't have any real right to go off on some Vax tangent here. I say when you got confronted (like Info the other day) you pushed back until you realized you acted like a child, then did the only logical thing. Attacked me, wondering now why I pushed back at a few people.

You cannot even acknowledge I said the "covenant path" stuff was just as far off as the non-LDS diagram. You cannot acknowledge that I was correct and that you were throwing a tantrum for no reason. But, I accept it. I'm not mad. Frankly, there is nothing I can do to keep the world from going to hell. I'm one person, but I can be a pain in the @#$ of those who, claim to be on the side of right but are acting like Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and DAOs, etc.. maybe think more carefully about words next time. Like suing the local mayor for vax rules, cannot win but may make him think twice next time?

Duke, I don't agree with all you're saying, but since I'm not mad at you, either, let's just relax and not get worked up over each other.

I have a good friend named Frank who usually gets upset at me for breeches of protocol, like you are citing me for. He gets raving mad, says things like, "Have a good life", hangs up, and then we forgive, forget, and reconnect sometime later. It's been like this for decades. We have our struggles and life carries on.

Rather than making me change how I do things, how about you just consider whatever I say to be my opinion, and it can be considered, discarded, ignored, or whatever? It would be hard for me to meet your standards. In the case of that drawing, I just thought about all the securely confident people I know who are on their way to the Celestial Kingdom, but can't have a conversation about that vaxx they and their kids took. That was the depth of my thought about that drawing. I didn't mean to run afoul of any rules. I was talking to everyone here, as if to myself or one of my friends. And, yes, I noted how you stated that the Covenant Path was bunkem, which I agree with.

Please accept a hug from me, Duke. I won't react rashly to you, anymore.

Liahona wrote: ↑July 29th, 2023, 6:56 am

Chip wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 6:33 pm

TheDuke wrote: ↑July 28th, 2023, 5:47 pm

nope, mainly putting the record straight with you and Info, I'm not mad.

I watched a preacher the other day, interesting TV guy a Jewish Jesus follower. He said you have to stand up for what you believe. People get upset but say what you believe. Truth, lies, Jesus is Christ, whatever.

You and a few feel you have a right to make an unsubstantiated opinion fact. You are right you say something terrible about someone or the church or the government or whatever and everyone piles on and slaps your back for making up BS, but BS for "our side". Sorry, but BS is BS, step in it, whether from a Guernsey or a a bull or a cow or a holstein, they all are BS. I feel we should win this war with "truth" not more lies. You see a diagram, not LDS and not accurate and you start saying BS about the "golden orb" the golden orb in the celestial kingdom or heaven or mansions of the father, then off to the races, declaring ANYONE WHO BELIEVES SUCH STUFF TO BE IGNORANT AND FOLLOWING EVIL MEN! I say you didn't follow the OP, I say you crossed the line with lies, I say you don't have any real right to go off on some Vax tangent here. I say when you got confronted (like Info the other day) you pushed back until you realized you acted like a child, then did the only logical thing. Attacked me, wondering now why I pushed back at a few people.

You cannot even acknowledge I said the "covenant path" stuff was just as far off as the non-LDS diagram. You cannot acknowledge that I was correct and that you were throwing a tantrum for no reason. But, I accept it. I'm not mad. Frankly, there is nothing I can do to keep the world from going to hell. I'm one person, but I can be a pain in the @#$ of those who, claim to be on the side of right but are acting like Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and DAOs, etc.. maybe think more carefully about words next time. Like suing the local mayor for vax rules, cannot win but may make him think twice next time?

Duke, I don't agree with all you're saying, but since I'm not mad at you, either, let's just relax and not get worked up over each other.

I have a good friend named Frank who usually gets upset at me for breeches of protocol, like you are citing me for. He gets raving mad, says things like, "Have a good life", hangs up, and then we forgive, forget, and reconnect sometime later. It's been like this for decades. We have our struggles and life carries on.

Rather than making me change how I do things, how about you just consider whatever I say to be my opinion, and it can be considered, discarded, ignored, or whatever? It would be hard for me to meet your standards. In the case of that drawing, I just thought about all the securely confident people I know who are on their way to the Celestial Kingdom, but can't have a conversation about that vaxx they and their kids took. That was the depth of my thought about that drawing. I didn't mean to run afoul of any rules. I was talking to everyone here, as if to myself or one of my friends. And, yes, I noted how you stated that the Covenant Path was bunkem, which I agree with.

Please accept a hug from me, Duke. I won't react rashly to you, anymore.

You didn’t position it as your opinion. He is right for calling you out on it.