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I'm enjoying this discussion very much and I wish I had spent more time studying these things when I was a bit younger. You may enjoy chapter 48 of the Book of Enoch, below. In Enoch the Head of Days is God the Father and the Lord of Spirits is Jesus Christ. I believe that the person in verse 2 is the Holy Ghost, the Light of the Gentiles.

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CHAPTER XLVIII.

1. And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness
Which was inexhaustible:
And around it were many fountains of wisdom;

And all the thirsty drank of them,
And were filled with wisdom,
And their dwellings were with the righteous and holy and elect.
2. And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits,
And his name before the Head of Days.

3. Yea, before the sun and the signs were created,
Before the stars of the heaven were made,
His name was named before the Lord of Spirits.

4. He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall,
And he shall be the light of the Gentiles,
And the hope of those who are troubled of heart.

5. All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him,
And will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of Spirits.

6. And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before Him,
Before the creation of the world and for evermore.

7. And the wisdom of the Lord of Spirits hath revealed him to the holy and righteous;
For he hath preserved the lot of the righteous,
Because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness,
And have hated all its works and ways in the name of the Lord of Spirits: p. 67
For in his name they are saved,
And according to his good pleasure hath it been in regard to their life.

8. In these days downcast in countenance shall the kings of the earth have become,
And the strong who possess the land because of the works of their hands;

For on the day of their anguish and affliction they shall not (be able to) save themselves.
9. And I will give them over into the hands of Mine elect:

As straw in the fire so shall they burn before the face of the holy:
As lead in the water shall they sink before the face of the righteous,
And no trace of them shall any more be found.

10. And on the day of their affliction there shall be rest on the earth,
And before them they shall fall and not rise again:

And there shall be no one to take them with his hands and raise them:
For they have denied the Lord of Spirits and His Anointed.
The name of the Lord of Spirits be blessed.

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MikeMaillet wrote: August 4th, 2023, 1:36 pm I'm enjoying this discussion very much and I wish I had spent more time studying these things when I was a bit younger. You may enjoy chapter 48 of the Book of Enoch, below. In Enoch the Head of Days is God the Father and the Lord of Spirits is Jesus Christ. I believe that the person in verse 2 is the Holy Ghost, the Light of the Gentiles.

Mike


CHAPTER XLVIII.

1. And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness
Which was inexhaustible:
And around it were many fountains of wisdom;

And all the thirsty drank of them,
And were filled with wisdom,
And their dwellings were with the righteous and holy and elect.
2. And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits,
And his name before the Head of Days.

3. Yea, before the sun and the signs were created,
Before the stars of the heaven were made,
His name was named before the Lord of Spirits.

4. He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall,
And he shall be the light of the Gentiles,
And the hope of those who are troubled of heart.

5. All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him,
And will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of Spirits.

6. And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before Him,
Before the creation of the world and for evermore.

7. And the wisdom of the Lord of Spirits hath revealed him to the holy and righteous;
For he hath preserved the lot of the righteous,
Because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness,
And have hated all its works and ways in the name of the Lord of Spirits: p. 67
For in his name they are saved,
And according to his good pleasure hath it been in regard to their life.

8. In these days downcast in countenance shall the kings of the earth have become,
And the strong who possess the land because of the works of their hands;

For on the day of their anguish and affliction they shall not (be able to) save themselves.
9. And I will give them over into the hands of Mine elect:

As straw in the fire so shall they burn before the face of the holy:
As lead in the water shall they sink before the face of the righteous,
And no trace of them shall any more be found.

10. And on the day of their affliction there shall be rest on the earth,
And before them they shall fall and not rise again:

And there shall be no one to take them with his hands and raise them:
For they have denied the Lord of Spirits and His Anointed.
The name of the Lord of Spirits be blessed.
Hey Mike!

I agree with you, Mike - Lords of the Spirit may be Jesus Christ. In the Old Testament, LORD splits into two Messiahs - Jesus and King Ephraim. We will see ...

I love The Book of Enoch! Its one if earliest books of 7 Archangels. Anyway ...

The Book of Enoch Chapter 48
2. And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits,
And his name before the Head of Days.


Wow! The Son of Man. It is impossible that Jesus Christ is a Son of Man - impossible.


6. And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before Him,
Before the creation of the world and for evermore.


Read it, people. Kinda like a Hidden name like Alaris - It first, it was, unknowingly, "Son" - but today it is used "of the wing" which is cool enough.

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Quis ut Deus?

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nightlight wrote: August 4th, 2023, 10:04 pm Quis ut Deus?

Quis ut Deus?, a Latin sentence meaning "Who [is] like God?", is a literal translation of the name Michael. The sentence Quis ut Deus? is particularly associated with Archangel Michael. Wikipedia



Read the blog, "Discourse on Abbaton."

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... baton.html

7 Archangels

1. Michael / Adam / Who is like God?
2. Enoch
3. Noah
4. Abraham
5. Moses
6. Peter
7. Joseph Smith

The Angel of the LORD / The Holy Ghost is coming to us all and will become the 8th Archangel.


Abraham 3
22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;
23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.
24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God,(Adam / Michael) and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;
25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;
26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.
27 And the Lord (Jesus) said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: (The Holy Ghost) Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.
28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.

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The following verses are from The Ascension of Isaiah, Chapter 9:

27. And I saw a certain One standing, whose glory surpassed that of all, and His glory was great and wonderful.

28. And after I had seen Him, all the righteous whom I had seen and also the angels whom I had seen came to Him. And Adam and Abel and Seth and all the righteous first drew near and worshipped Him, and they all praised Him with one voice, and I myself also gave praise with them, and my giving of praise was as theirs.

29. And then all the angels drew nigh and worshipped and gave praise.

30. And I was (again) transformed and became like an angel.

31. And thereupon the angel who conducted me said to me: "Worship this One," and I worshipped and praised.

32. And the angel said unto me: "This is the Lord of all the praise-givings which thou hast seen."

33. And whilst he was still speaking, I saw another Glorious One who was like Him, and the righteous drew nigh and worshipped and praised, and I praised together with them. But my glory was not transformed into accordance with their form.

34. And thereupon the angels drew near and worshipped Him.

35. And I saw the Lord and the second angel, and they were standing.

36. And the second whom I saw was on he left of my Lord. And I asked: "Who is this?" and he said unto me: "Worship Him, for He is the angel of the Holy Spirit, who speaketh in thee and the rest of the righteous."

37. And I saw the great glory, the eyes of my spirit being open, and I could not thereupon see, nor yet could the angel who was with me, nor all the angels whom I had seen worshipping my Lord.

38. But I saw the righteous beholding with great power the glory of that One.

39. And my Lord drew nigh to me and the angel of the Spirit and He said: "See how it is given to thee to see God, and on thy account power is given to the angel who is with thee."

40. And I saw how my Lord and the angel of the Spirit worshipped, and they both together praised God.

41. And thereupon all the righteous drew near and worshipped.

42. And the angels drew near and worshipped and all the angels praised.


The Ascension of Isaiah is one of my favourite books of scripture along with the Book of Enoch. I liked them so much that I purchased hard copies of each, sort of like Victor Kiam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf22bddvLnc) :-)

Mike

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MikeMaillet wrote: August 5th, 2023, 5:33 am The following verses are from The Ascension of Isaiah, Chapter 9:

27. And I saw a certain One standing, whose glory surpassed that of all, and His glory was great and wonderful.

28. And after I had seen Him, all the righteous whom I had seen and also the angels whom I had seen came to Him. And Adam and Abel and Seth and all the righteous first drew near and worshipped Him, and they all praised Him with one voice, and I myself also gave praise with them, and my giving of praise was as theirs.

29. And then all the angels drew nigh and worshipped and gave praise.

30. And I was (again) transformed and became like an angel.

31. And thereupon the angel who conducted me said to me: "Worship this One," and I worshipped and praised.

32. And the angel said unto me: "This is the Lord of all the praise-givings which thou hast seen."

33. And whilst he was still speaking, I saw another Glorious One who was like Him, and the righteous drew nigh and worshipped and praised, and I praised together with them. But my glory was not transformed into accordance with their form.

34. And thereupon the angels drew near and worshipped Him.

35. And I saw the Lord and the second angel, and they were standing.

36. And the second whom I saw was on he left of my Lord. And I asked: "Who is this?" and he said unto me: "Worship Him, for He is the angel of the Holy Spirit, who speaketh in thee and the rest of the righteous."

37. And I saw the great glory, the eyes of my spirit being open, and I could not thereupon see, nor yet could the angel who was with me, nor all the angels whom I had seen worshipping my Lord.

38. But I saw the righteous beholding with great power the glory of that One.

39. And my Lord drew nigh to me and the angel of the Spirit and He said: "See how it is given to thee to see God, and on thy account power is given to the angel who is with thee."

40. And I saw how my Lord and the angel of the Spirit worshipped, and they both together praised God.

41. And thereupon all the righteous drew near and worshipped.

42. And the angels drew near and worshipped and all the angels praised.


The Ascension of Isaiah is one of my favourite books of scripture along with the Book of Enoch. I liked them so much that I purchased hard copies of each, sort of like Victor Kiam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf22bddvLnc) :-)

Mike
I expect to see the ascension for most graduating earth harvest. The earth itself is also ascending. Sun used to be yellow.

40. And I saw how my Lord and the angel of the Spirit worshipped, and they both together praised God.

The concept of multiple gods. Divine counsel and stuff joseph smith and byoung worked on teaching.

The reason why satans fear apotheosis teachings is that satan cannot manipulate or threaten a true god. If humans figured out the truth of the heavens and began understanding who has power over whom, satan s game would be over. For why woupd mortals sell their bodies to the serpent empires when they know this makes them weaker than me?

Proving who is rigjt or more righteous is pointless. From our subjective view out path is right. And from satan s empires their view is right. And it is the case under divine free will that neither of our paths can be considered wrong.

But power. That can be tested and proven.

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MikeMaillet wrote: August 5th, 2023, 5:33 am The following verses are from The Ascension of Isaiah, Chapter 9:

27. And I saw a certain One standing, whose glory surpassed that of all, and His glory was great and wonderful.

28. And after I had seen Him, all the righteous whom I had seen and also the angels whom I had seen came to Him. And Adam and Abel and Seth and all the righteous first drew near and worshipped Him, and they all praised Him with one voice, and I myself also gave praise with them, and my giving of praise was as theirs.

29. And then all the angels drew nigh and worshipped and gave praise.

30. And I was (again) transformed and became like an angel.

31. And thereupon the angel who conducted me said to me: "Worship this One," and I worshipped and praised.

32. And the angel said unto me: "This is the Lord of all the praise-givings which thou hast seen."

33. And whilst he was still speaking, I saw another Glorious One who was like Him, and the righteous drew nigh and worshipped and praised, and I praised together with them. But my glory was not transformed into accordance with their form.

34. And thereupon the angels drew near and worshipped Him.

35. And I saw the Lord and the second angel, and they were standing.

36. And the second whom I saw was on he left of my Lord. And I asked: "Who is this?" and he said unto me: "Worship Him, for He is the angel of the Holy Spirit, who speaketh in thee and the rest of the righteous."

37. And I saw the great glory, the eyes of my spirit being open, and I could not thereupon see, nor yet could the angel who was with me, nor all the angels whom I had seen worshipping my Lord.

38. But I saw the righteous beholding with great power the glory of that One.

39. And my Lord drew nigh to me and the angel of the Spirit and He said: "See how it is given to thee to see God, and on thy account power is given to the angel who is with thee."

40. And I saw how my Lord and the angel of the Spirit worshipped, and they both together praised God.

41. And thereupon all the righteous drew near and worshipped.

42. And the angels drew near and worshipped and all the angels praised.


The Ascension of Isaiah is one of my favourite books of scripture along with the Book of Enoch. I liked them so much that I purchased hard copies of each, sort of like Victor Kiam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf22bddvLnc) :-)

Mike
Mike & Ymarsakar,

You guys are really out there! Hallelujah! Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hallelu-jah! Jah - Jahoel - Apocalypse of Abraham - Holy Ghost. And he had been hidden, yet he is eveywhere!

Apocalypse of Abraham
Discourse of Abbaton (Read it. Please.)
The Book of Enoch
The Third Book of Enoch (Metatron / Holy Ghost)
The Ascension of Isaiah
The Twelves Books of Testaments
Dead Sea Scrolls
The Gospel of Thomas
The (1st and 2nd) Apocalypse of James
The Gospel of Bartholomew
Etc

They all contain "The Holy Ghost" who is the God of this world.


Joseph Smith

But the Holy Ghost is yet a spiritual body and waiting to take to himself a body, as the Savior did or as God did or the gods before them took bodies; for the Savior says the work that my Father did do I also. . . . He took himself a body and then laid down his life that he might take it up again. (The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 382; standardized)

Franklin D. Richards (First Presidency)

Joseph also said that the Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has. (The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 245; standardized)


-*-*-*-*-

Its 40 days until Jubilee. Its clean. Its peaceful. No debts are to be found. Yesterday, it was "Repentance" that was found, but today we have a "Remarriage" ahead of us. I am the first, my Heavenly Father, please. Please. Please. Let me find the way. In Jesus Christ, Yeshua Messiah, Amen.

~°~°~°~

Mike,

My stroke hit when the date hit November 13, 2020. The most recent article of "Ascension of Isaiah" was November 1, 2020. I promise you, I will get back to the sequence soon.
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I have less and less a concrete belief about these points of doctrine and dogma.

For i cannot verify it one way or another. I have a sealed sixth chakra ajna and i am in no hurry to remove it and see dead people. I already know enough as it is.

All i can test are my own abilities and communication sources.

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Some is Satan and the other The Holy Ghost and the Jesus Christ / Yeshua Messiah. Read Revelation.

For example:


Revelation 19
1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; (HalleluJAH) Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: (2 Messiahs - Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand)
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
6...Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.


Is it Jesus or is it the "Remarriage" of the Holy Ghost.



10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.


John didn't know who are the "Two Witnesses" (Martyrs) were! The Holy Ghost = The Angel of the LORD

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Isaiah 41:10
10 ¶ Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness


LORD means ...

Behold a Nail
Behold a Hand

The Right Hand


Genesis 3
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


The Right Heel

Stroke / Right side

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There is only one Christ

Let the blind lead the blind

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Oh my gosh!!! It's finally over - 70 weeks is done! The veil is finally ending.
Now, imagine the Tree / Board / Crucifix - imagine it is REAL. An Olive Tree with only a board attached to it. Now ...
So, there you have Jesus Dying at the cross. His blood is running downward to the Ark of the Covenant. Now, I want you to place both images together as one.
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Wow! Jesus Christ IS the weaker, yet really stronger, X half.
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Cherubim are sitting there - the lowest Angel there are. That always, always had me confused. But - what if, one side was just Jesus Christ! He was only a Rabbi. All the Jewish, the High Priests, look down upon Him. YES! Cherub Jesus Christ....and He dies attached to an Olive Tree.

Look at them! They are there protecting them, the least Angel / Cherub, they ... don't ... care. One is a Rabbi. The other is an Elder.
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Zechariah 4
3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.


My left side of my brain is screwed. My right side of my body is screwed. I am exercising 4 - 5 days a week plus Electricity things 40 - 80 minutes 4-5 days a week. My right side is stronger, however, I cant even Run.


Zechariah 4
6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.
...
11 ¶ Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones(Messiah, Christs, It is the same), that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Jesus - one side is the spirit - Y. One side is His mother, Mary, X - mortality.
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Alaris wrote: August 5th, 2023, 2:43 pm
MikeMaillet wrote: August 5th, 2023, 5:33 am The following verses are from The Ascension of Isaiah, Chapter 9:

27. And I saw a certain One standing, whose glory surpassed that of all, and His glory was great and wonderful.

28. And after I had seen Him, all the righteous whom I had seen and also the angels whom I had seen came to Him. And Adam and Abel and Seth and all the righteous first drew near and worshipped Him, and they all praised Him with one voice, and I myself also gave praise with them, and my giving of praise was as theirs.

29. And then all the angels drew nigh and worshipped and gave praise.

30. And I was (again) transformed and became like an angel.

31. And thereupon the angel who conducted me said to me: "Worship this One," and I worshipped and praised.

32. And the angel said unto me: "This is the Lord of all the praise-givings which thou hast seen."

33. And whilst he was still speaking, I saw another Glorious One who was like Him, and the righteous drew nigh and worshipped and praised, and I praised together with them. But my glory was not transformed into accordance with their form.

34. And thereupon the angels drew near and worshipped Him.

35. And I saw the Lord and the second angel, and they were standing.

36. And the second whom I saw was on he left of my Lord. And I asked: "Who is this?" and he said unto me: "Worship Him, for He is the angel of the Holy Spirit, who speaketh in thee and the rest of the righteous."

37. And I saw the great glory, the eyes of my spirit being open, and I could not thereupon see, nor yet could the angel who was with me, nor all the angels whom I had seen worshipping my Lord.

38. But I saw the righteous beholding with great power the glory of that One.

39. And my Lord drew nigh to me and the angel of the Spirit and He said: "See how it is given to thee to see God, and on thy account power is given to the angel who is with thee."

40. And I saw how my Lord and the angel of the Spirit worshipped, and they both together praised God.

41. And thereupon all the righteous drew near and worshipped.

42. And the angels drew near and worshipped and all the angels praised.


The Ascension of Isaiah is one of my favourite books of scripture along with the Book of Enoch. I liked them so much that I purchased hard copies of each, sort of like Victor Kiam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf22bddvLnc) :-)

Mike
Mike & Ymarsakar,

You guys are really out there! Hallelujah! Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hallelu-jah! Jah - Jahoel - Apocalypse of Abraham - Holy Ghost. And he had been hidden, yet he is eveywhere!

Apocalypse of Abraham
Discourse of Abbaton (Read it. Please.)
The Book of Enoch
The Third Book of Enoch (Metatron / Holy Ghost)
The Ascension of Isaiah
The Twelves Books of Testaments
Dead Sea Scrolls
The Gospel of Thomas
The (1st and 2nd) Apocalypse of James
The Gospel of Bartholomew
Etc

They all contain "The Holy Ghost" who is the God of this world.


Joseph Smith

But the Holy Ghost is yet a spiritual body and waiting to take to himself a body, as the Savior did or as God did or the gods before them took bodies; for the Savior says the work that my Father did do I also. . . . He took himself a body and then laid down his life that he might take it up again. (The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 382; standardized)

Franklin D. Richards (First Presidency)

Joseph also said that the Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has. (The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 245; standardized)


-*-*-*-*-

Its 40 days until Jubilee. Its clean. Its peaceful. No debts are to be found. Yesterday, it was "Repentance" that was found, but today we have a "Remarriage" ahead of us. I am the first, my Heavenly Father, please. Please. Please. Let me find the way. In Jesus Christ, Yeshua Messiah, Amen.

~°~°~°~

Mike,

My stroke hit when the date hit November 13, 2020. The most recent article of "Ascension of Isaiah" was November 1, 2020. I promise you, I will get back to the sequence soon.
I was aware that you had a stroke and I am happy that you are on the mend.The Ascension of Isaiah is one of my favourites and I have read it at least a dozen times. So much revealed in such a small book. It should resonate even harder for any LDS who has received their Endowments. I know that not everything is correct in the Endowment but there are certain things/imagery that become more obvious as one reads The Ascension. One example is the name of the angel who comes to get Isaiah.

Your website is amazing and I have read most of what you have posted. I go back there often. I wish I was not so busy fixing stuff around the house and checking off boxes on "The List."

The one question that keeps nagging me is, who are the Israelites? Why were they the first to be offered the new and everlasting covenant and why were they so wicked? Something tells me that the imagery of the Shepherd leaving the 90 & 9 has something to do with that but I don't know. The title page of the Book of Mormon seems to contain an ominous statement about the Remnant and this might explain why we Gentiles should be doing our utmost to save the Remnant, lest they be cast off forever. The Gentiles should have established Zion but instead went to bed with Babylon.

Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations

The other thing I try to understand is Lucifer's rebellion and all of the scriptural stories of twins being born with the second one being favoured. There are some books out there that have Cain and Able being born as twins, with Cain being the firstborn. The Book of Enoch talks quite a bit about the order of things and angels rising or setting at their appointed times.

I'm sorry you suffered a stroke. It must have been devastating to you and your loved ones and I'm guessing that your recovery is slow and requires much of you. May God bless you in your recovery and many thanks for the work you did that you have graciously shared with us. I spend much time thinking about these things.

Mike

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MikeMaillet wrote: August 6th, 2023, 2:33 pm
Alaris wrote: August 5th, 2023, 2:43 pm
MikeMaillet wrote: August 5th, 2023, 5:33 am The following verses are from The Ascension of Isaiah, Chapter 9:

27. And I saw a certain One standing, whose glory surpassed that of all, and His glory was great and wonderful.

28. And after I had seen Him, all the righteous whom I had seen and also the angels whom I had seen came to Him. And Adam and Abel and Seth and all the righteous first drew near and worshipped Him, and they all praised Him with one voice, and I myself also gave praise with them, and my giving of praise was as theirs.

29. And then all the angels drew nigh and worshipped and gave praise.

30. And I was (again) transformed and became like an angel.

31. And thereupon the angel who conducted me said to me: "Worship this One," and I worshipped and praised.

32. And the angel said unto me: "This is the Lord of all the praise-givings which thou hast seen."

33. And whilst he was still speaking, I saw another Glorious One who was like Him, and the righteous drew nigh and worshipped and praised, and I praised together with them. But my glory was not transformed into accordance with their form.

34. And thereupon the angels drew near and worshipped Him.

35. And I saw the Lord and the second angel, and they were standing.

36. And the second whom I saw was on he left of my Lord. And I asked: "Who is this?" and he said unto me: "Worship Him, for He is the angel of the Holy Spirit, who speaketh in thee and the rest of the righteous."

37. And I saw the great glory, the eyes of my spirit being open, and I could not thereupon see, nor yet could the angel who was with me, nor all the angels whom I had seen worshipping my Lord.

38. But I saw the righteous beholding with great power the glory of that One.

39. And my Lord drew nigh to me and the angel of the Spirit and He said: "See how it is given to thee to see God, and on thy account power is given to the angel who is with thee."

40. And I saw how my Lord and the angel of the Spirit worshipped, and they both together praised God.

41. And thereupon all the righteous drew near and worshipped.

42. And the angels drew near and worshipped and all the angels praised.


The Ascension of Isaiah is one of my favourite books of scripture along with the Book of Enoch. I liked them so much that I purchased hard copies of each, sort of like Victor Kiam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf22bddvLnc) :-)

Mike
Mike & Ymarsakar,

You guys are really out there! Hallelujah! Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hallelu-jah! Jah - Jahoel - Apocalypse of Abraham - Holy Ghost. And he had been hidden, yet he is eveywhere!

Apocalypse of Abraham
Discourse of Abbaton (Read it. Please.)
The Book of Enoch
The Third Book of Enoch (Metatron / Holy Ghost)
The Ascension of Isaiah
The Twelves Books of Testaments
Dead Sea Scrolls
The Gospel of Thomas
The (1st and 2nd) Apocalypse of James
The Gospel of Bartholomew
Etc

They all contain "The Holy Ghost" who is the God of this world.


Joseph Smith

But the Holy Ghost is yet a spiritual body and waiting to take to himself a body, as the Savior did or as God did or the gods before them took bodies; for the Savior says the work that my Father did do I also. . . . He took himself a body and then laid down his life that he might take it up again. (The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 382; standardized)

Franklin D. Richards (First Presidency)

Joseph also said that the Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has. (The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 245; standardized)


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Its 40 days until Jubilee. Its clean. Its peaceful. No debts are to be found. Yesterday, it was "Repentance" that was found, but today we have a "Remarriage" ahead of us. I am the first, my Heavenly Father, please. Please. Please. Let me find the way. In Jesus Christ, Yeshua Messiah, Amen.

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Mike,

My stroke hit when the date hit November 13, 2020. The most recent article of "Ascension of Isaiah" was November 1, 2020. I promise you, I will get back to the sequence soon.
I was aware that you had a stroke and I am happy that you are on the mend.The Ascension of Isaiah is one of my favourites and I have read it at least a dozen times. So much revealed in such a small book. It should resonate even harder for any LDS who has received their Endowments. I know that not everything is correct in the Endowment but there are certain things/imagery that become more obvious as one reads The Ascension. One example is the name of the angel who comes to get Isaiah.

Your website is amazing and I have read most of what you have posted. I go back there often. I wish I was not so busy fixing stuff around the house and checking off boxes on "The List."

The one question that keeps nagging me is, who are the Israelites? Why were they the first to be offered the new and everlasting covenant and why were they so wicked? Something tells me that the imagery of the Shepherd leaving the 90 & 9 has something to do with that but I don't know. The title page of the Book of Mormon seems to contain an ominous statement about the Remnant and this might explain why we Gentiles should be doing our utmost to save the Remnant, lest they be cast off forever. The Gentiles should have established Zion but instead went to bed with Babylon.

Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations

The other thing I try to understand is Lucifer's rebellion and all of the scriptural stories of twins being born with the second one being favoured. There are some books out there that have Cain and Able being born as twins, with Cain being the firstborn. The Book of Enoch talks quite a bit about the order of things and angels rising or setting at their appointed times.

I'm sorry you suffered a stroke. It must have been devastating to you and your loved ones and I'm guessing that your recovery is slow and requires much of you. May God bless you in your recovery and many thanks for the work you did that you have graciously shared with us. I spend much time thinking about these things.

Mike
I only have one hand - and I only much time to spare. Thank you for your words. I'm currently in the bottom rung. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Nobody has made a care, except Mom. Thanks Mike.

I would like to say. Maybe God is talking about the tribes directly - The Jew and The Gentiles. Maybe he is diving the audience. The Jews has rejected the Jesus Christ, but, their looking for 2 Messiahs! The Gentiles, and the 11 Tribes of Israel, that have accepted Jesus Christ / one Christ, but what about the second Messiah / Christ. Now it makes sense. Book of Mormon = Good. Joseph Smith = Good. Brigham and onward = bad. (Utah .... *Shivers*)

Someone who is LDS gave a good lesson about the 99 and the 1. I'm trying to remember.... Some one really badly wanted to be that 99 ... The Son of Man (Its not Jesus, but it's the other Messiah - that was me) went after the 1....what if the 1, lets call him, I don't now - Mike - The Son of Man and Mike. 😇

I forget what they LDS guy taught me....:-) I think it blew the lid off.

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Alaris wrote: August 6th, 2023, 1:06 pm Oh my gosh!!! It's finally over - 70 weeks is done! The veil is finally over.
Now, imagine the Tree / Board / Crucifix - imagine it is REAL. An Olive Tree with only a board attached to it. Now ...
So, there you have Jesus Dying at the cross. His blood is running downward to the Ark of the Covenant. Now, I want you to place both images together as one.

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Wow! Jesus Christ IS the weaker, yet really stronger, X half.

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There's more ...

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Cherubim are sitting there - the lowest Angel there are. That always, always had me confused. But - what if, one side was just Jesus Christ! He was only a Rabbi. All the Jewish, the High Priests, look down upon Him. YES! Cherub Jesus Christ....and He dies attached to an Olive Tree.

Look at them! They are there protecting them, the least Angel / Cherub, they ... don't ... care. One is a Rabbi. The other is an Elder.
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Zechariah 4
3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.


My left side of my brain is screwed. My right side of my body is screwed. I am exercising 4 - 5 days a week plus Electricity things 40 - 80 minutes 4-5 days a week. My right side is stronger, however, I cant even Run.


Zechariah 4
6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.
...
11 ¶ Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones(Messiah, Christs, It is the same), that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Jesus - one side is the spirit - Y. One side is His mother, Mary, X - mortality.
One more thing. This isn't just a Jubilee - based off of 50 years. This IS the Jubilee based off of 6,000 years - The 6th Seal is closing. The 7th Seal will be opened. The Atonement Day.

For starters, remember to PROTECT the Ark with TWO Cherubims....lowly and humbly. Jesus Christ is a lowly rabbi and the other guy a humble elder.
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Now - at the same time is The Atonement Day - that is being fulfilled. Two Goats....two humbly obedient. One is Jehovah - Behold the Nail. Behold the Hand. Two are at least being killed - kinda. Jesus - Half of your Brain is X. He is killed. The other person, half of your brain is also killed while they other half is alive. Jehovah is both and are both (half) dead.


Zechariah 13

7 ¶ Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. (2 Messiahs)
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.


1.5 Of the Goat Jehovah
.5 of the Goat Azazel or Power

.5 of the Goat "Azazel" or "Power" is sent to the Wilderness.

Revelation 12

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.


What is a Man Child? Is it Jesus Christ because we keep one singularly Christ? "We refer to a 'Man Child' because its everywhere and nowhere...." X Wrong! Its one dude, who suffered a stroke! Half of his brain is dead. Half is still alive ... And its an arduous, slow bringing it back up....years, it takes.



ar·du·ous
/ˈärjəwəs/
adjective
involving or requiring strenuous effort; difficult and tiring.
"an arduous journey"


The Atonement Day

a·tone·ment
/əˈtōnm(ə)nt/
noun
reparation for a wrong or injury.
"she wanted to make atonement for her husband's behavior"
(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin.
"an annual ceremony of confession and atonement for sin"

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Leviticus 25
8 ¶ And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.


49 times - This was 2022 before the Jubilee - Sep / Oct 2022 -> The Atonement Day ...this was fulfilled on that day, The Atonement Day - At-One-Ment. The day it fulfilled - Oct 4 / 5 2022. It rained?and left a full double arc. The days leading up to Oct 4/5 - I felt so Powerful and at peace... Unimaginable - each of the 12 Israeli tribes, and 1 Gentiles. The first is the family tree...mine....Ephraim and then Judah. The first Resurrection.


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One more thing requiring "Rapture" - first of all, it doesn't appear in the Bible. 2nd, The Mormons don't ever mention it.... And I see it everywhere! "Rapture" there! "Rapture" here! "Rapture" everywhere! Correct me please - but I saw this video today:

Matthew 24
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


So which is it? The Bold or the italics.

Check this out:


Revelation 8
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.


Weren't transported up to a 1/3 part of men into the waters? The Bold was bad. The Italics were good. Right?

Matthew 24
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


I'll answer this tomorrow...I have a vision where Jesus gives a clue.

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1 Corinthians 2

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Isaiah 48

6 Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them.

JST Genesis 50

24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die, and go unto my fathers; and I go down to my grave with joy. The God of my father Jacob be with you, to deliver you out of affliction in the days of your bondage; for the Lord hath visited me, and I have obtained a promise of the Lord, that out of the fruit of my loins, the Lord God will raise up a righteous branch out of my loins; and unto thee, whom my father Jacob hath named Israel, a prophet; (not the Messiah who is called Shilo;) and this prophet shall deliver my people out of Egypt in the days of thy bondage.
25 And it shall come to pass that they shall be scattered again; and a branch shall be broken off, and shall be carried into a far country; nevertheless they shall be remembered in the covenants of the Lord, when the Messiah cometh; for he shall be made manifest unto them in the latter days, in the Spirit of power; and shall bring them out of darkness into light; out of hidden darkness, and out of captivity unto freedom.

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The Book of Enoch 48
6. And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before Him,
Before the creation of the world and for evermore.



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27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
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Alaris wrote: August 5th, 2023, 2:43 pm You guys are really out there! Hallelujah! Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hallelu-jah! Jah - Jahoel - Apocalypse of Abraham - Holy Ghost. And he had been hidden, yet he is eveywhere!

Apocalypse of Abraham
Discourse of Abbaton (Read it. Please.)
The Book of Enoch
The Third Book of Enoch (Metatron / Holy Ghost)
The Ascension of Isaiah
The Twelves Books of Testaments
Dead Sea Scrolls
The Gospel of Thomas
The (1st and 2nd) Apocalypse of James
The Gospel of Bartholomew
Etc

They all contain "The Holy Ghost" who is the God of this world.
As you know I have been writing a series on non-canonical works, to try and create some kind of reference archive. There are so many of these books that it has proven hard to make a checklist for them. All of these are works in progress and if anyone wants to disagree with my interpretations or add material they are welcome to. I much appreciate your blog as well. 😉

The Book of Enoch
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The Ascension of Isaiah
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The Testaments of fhe Twelve Patriarchs
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The Gospel of Thomas
Here
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and here
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I think the DSS vary a lot in quality. Some are barely readable which means they are of no use. Then there are the Nag Hammadi ones.

p.s. Sorry to hear about your stroke. Hope you have made a good recovery.

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TheDuke wrote: July 7th, 2023, 10:45 am I can accept two messiahs but not two Christs in this mortal probation
As others have said these are similar in meaning but I think I know what you are driving at. There are certainly many messiah types but only one saviour.

The other messiahs would include:
* Noah
* Abraham
* Moses
* David
* Solomon

You will notice that this list includes several who did degenerate acts such as Noah, Moses (a murderer), David and Solomon. Jesus alone was sinless.

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Niemand wrote: August 7th, 2023, 4:52 pm
TheDuke wrote: July 7th, 2023, 10:45 am I can accept two messiahs but not two Christs in this mortal probation
As others have said these are similar in meaning but I think I know what you are driving at. There are certainly many messiah types but only one saviour.

The other messiahs would include:
* Noah
* Abraham
* Moses
* David
* Solomon

You will notice that this list includes several who did degenerate acts such as Noah, Moses (a murderer), David and Solomon. Jesus alone was sinless.
You cannot leave out Joseph of Egypt. He basically set the mold for an end-times type of a temporal savior. His tribes' symbol became a staff of wheat because of his foreknowledge of and intervention in a dire famine. He became a staff of life for his brethren when to lean on Egypt would be to lean on a splintering reed.

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Zechariah 4
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.



"Anointed Ones" is Messiahs is Christs


Revelation 11
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses(Martyrs), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


Half of the body died with half the brain dead. Half survived of one body. None survived of another one. I finally get it - Revelation 11. Savior Messiah / King Messiah - Savior of the King

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The veil is opening to me. I was wrong about the 7 Archangels in the second and third chapters of Revelation. Its a "She" - 7 she-archangels - Pistis Sophia is a Gnostic Gospel. I .. have ... to read it all. This is scripture gold.

https://a.co/d/8ObyTzS

Biblically, in addition to everything else, I have learned so much. Here's an example:

Daniel 5

25 ¶ And this is the writing that was written, Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.
26 This is the interpretation of the thing: Mene; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 Tekel; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 Peres; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.


All of your kingdoms are about to be done, and the Kingdom of God is almost here.
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The 34th day of Renewal of Marriage Ceremony. 5 bridesmaids are ready....5 bridesmaids, well ....(...or is it 7 days shorter - 27 days, a private one. We shall see!)


Matthew 25
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

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The 5 bridesmaids fell - telestial
The bridesmaids are coming - terrestrial
The bride is selected - celestial
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Luke 17

11 ¶ And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.
12 And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:
13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.
19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.


The bride and bridegroom - celestial
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3 Nephi 11
27 And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one.


How easy could this be? .... "..and the Holy Ghost is the Son, and the Son is the Holy Ghost, and the Son and him are one."

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