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ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 8:06 pm
by Subcomandante
This is a discussion point on this forum that has been brought up many times. I have generally ignored this topic or sometimes with a lot of antagonism have decried the topic especially if it came to the Church being in apostasy.

But I have studied about this topic as of late on my own, and am prepared to bring my own findings regarding it. It turns out this is quite important.

My study is based on what I have read in the Scriptures about this character in former times and how he is to act in these last days.

It is my contention that the One Mighty and Strong is PROBABLY John the Theologian, also known as John the Revelator.

John was the youngest disciple of Jesus by far, and his interactions in the Scriptures can best be described as intense. According to Mark, Jesus put upon him as well as James, the last name Boanerges, interpreted to mean Sons of Thunder. James died relatively early compared to the other apostles, killed by the wicked rulers of Jerusalem.

Thunder would have been seen as showing intense temprament. It is very clear that a "nice guy" would NEVER be called a Son of Thunder. John had his run-ins with the authorities and he showed defiance to them at every turn. When the emperor Domitian had him under custody, John angered him so that he was going to be publicly executed in the Colosseum by lowering his body into a vat of boiling oil. By a miracle, John was protected and it is said that the witnesses to the act themselves converted to Christianity. So Domitian exiles him to Patmos, a barren isle in the Aegean Sea. He writes a vivid prophecy known as Revelation. He escapes to Ephesus where he becomes the primary elder of the church there, where he writes his Testimony as well as his Epistles, signing off on the latter ones as "The Elder."

Tradition dictates that his gravesite is in Turkey, but there is no body there. The local tradition says that a few days after his followers laid him in what was to be his grave, he walked out and headed north to be with the tribes in the northern countries.

In our tradition, John never died, and he has a special mission in the last days to call the tribes from their positions to bring Israel from the realm of the lost to inherit the land. The Three Nephites are also to assist John but their main aim will be the descendants of the Lamanites though they will also be found throughout all of Israel too. He has that specific key of gathering.

The One Mighty and Strong is going to act in an opposite way to what most of the leadership today is acting. He is NOT going to be a nice guy. Being of Semitic origins, he is NOT going to tolerate the least amount of injustice. He is going to prepare his people to be received by the Messiah. He will be of the Messiah's same type of culture. One that demands that those that hurt the innocence of the little ones need to chain a millstone around their necks and heave themselves into the ocean. One that brings out a whip and calls the leaders SOBs or simply Bs (yes, Jesus DID use the Hebrew equivalent of that word when talking about Herodes Antipas) when they are not meting out justice. The oppressors of the people will be punished severely.

The sad thing is there will be many members of the Church, when they see these things, they will reject him as a wild man. They will profess to know Jesus, to walk in His ways, but in their actions, they will find themselves disparate. This is why the prophesied calamities will fall on them first, because they will blaspheme against Jesus in the midst of His holy house. This is why I could see many millions of people (more than the current membership of the Church by various factors) accept Jesus, even if they don't know His teachings very well.

What do I want to say with all of this?

Follow Jesus. He is about to work many miracles amongst everyone. Certainly do NOT put Him in a box. He is capable of calling new prophets from the very rocks of the earth.

A cautionary tale here: I could very well be VERY WRONG here about my intepretation of the OMAS. But when you look into the character of Jesus and His disciples, on both continents, there are many things that are too powerful to ignore. And to be honest, I don't think I am completely ready to meet Him or the OMAS. There are things which I must still learn and ACT upon.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 8:38 pm
by markharr
I believe John the revelator will be one of the two witnesses. The other being Elijah with authority to call down fire from Heaven.


I think you are track about it being an ancient prophet but I believe it will be a prophet thar lived in this land.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 10:13 pm
by Lynn
The one labelled as OMAS is John who authored the Book of Revelation- but it was John the Baptist, not John the Beloved. And John the Baptist is the very same Elijah of old, as to the soul. There are also two angles that will be in play- the two witnesses are Elijah & Moses sent yet again. But on another note from ancient writings, the two it speaks of, is Enoch & Elijah. In other words, Enoch is sent yet again, and Elijah has never been busier.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 10:21 pm
by tmac
My favorite saying for a statement like that is, “And s/he said it as if it were true.” All I want to know is how anyone can be so certain of any of this.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 10:43 pm
by Subcomandante
tmac wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 10:21 pm My favorite saying for a statement like that is, “And s/he said it as if it were true.” All I want to know is how anyone can be so certain of any of this.
I am not certain of this. But I find the possibility intriguing at least. I even mention that I am open to being very wrong about all of this.

The most important thing in all of this is to be found on Jesus' good side when all is said and done.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 10:45 pm
by Subcomandante
Lynn wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 10:13 pm The one labelled as OMAS is John who authored the Book of Revelation- but it was John the Baptist, not John the Beloved. And John the Baptist is the very same Elijah of old, as to the soul. There are also two angles that will be in play- the two witnesses are Elijah & Moses sent yet again. But on another note from ancient writings, the two it speaks of, is Enoch & Elijah. In other words, Enoch is sent yet again, and Elijah has never been busier.
This is another intriguing possibility. John the Baptist as an Elias. With a certain pattern it could make sense. Keep in mind that it was John the Baptist that revealed the Aaronic Priesthood to Joseph Smith. John the Beloved, working in tandom with Peter and James, revealed the Melchizedek Priesthood.

It will be interesting to see who is right about this. Or if we are all wrong together.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 11:00 pm
by SJR3t2
I don't believe it will be John the Revelator. But what research have you done on what tribe he is? If you have done would you be willing to share?

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 11:04 pm
by Being There
Subcomandante wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 10:43 pm
tmac wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 10:21 pm My favorite saying for a statement like that is, “And s/he said it as if it were true.” All I want to know is how anyone can be so certain of any of this.
I am not certain of this. But I find the possibility intriguing at least. I even mention that I am open to being very wrong about all of this.

The most important thing in all of this is to be found on Jesus' good side when all is said and done.
Jesus' good side ?

and I suppose what you really mean - by that - is - on the LDS church's good side.
You'll never change Sub.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 11:04 pm
by Subcomandante
SJR3t2 wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 11:00 pm I don't believe it will be John the Revelator. But what research have you done on what tribe he is? If you have done would you be willing to share?
The scriptures are silent on what Tribe John the Revelator is. We know that John the Baptist, being a kohen, would have been of Levi. My GUESS is that all the disciples were of Yehudah except for those specifically mentioned otherwise.

I admit I haven't done research on John the Revelator's tribe. Or the tribe of any of Christ's disciples.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 11:07 pm
by Subcomandante
Being There wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 11:04 pm
Subcomandante wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 10:43 pm
tmac wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 10:21 pm My favorite saying for a statement like that is, “And s/he said it as if it were true.” All I want to know is how anyone can be so certain of any of this.
I am not certain of this. But I find the possibility intriguing at least. I even mention that I am open to being very wrong about all of this.

The most important thing in all of this is to be found on Jesus' good side when all is said and done.
Jesus' good side ?

and I suppose what you really mean - by that - is - on the LDS church's good side.
You'll never change Sub.
What makes you say that? Being on Jesus' good side does NOT imply belonging to any earthly organization, even one that claims to be the Kingdom of God on the Earth. I once believed that, true. Now, I am not so sure. Since my awakening after my near death experience with the Rona, it seems to me that the ultimate priority, regardless of membership in the LDS Church, is to be on Jesus' good side. There are many LDS Church members that are on Jesus' bad side. Conversely, there are many people that are not even Christians, that are on Jesus' good side, even though they may be ignorant of the teachings of Jesus in the Bible or other standard works.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 11:11 pm
by SJR3t2
Subcomandante wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 11:04 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 11:00 pm I don't believe it will be John the Revelator. But what research have you done on what tribe he is? If you have done would you be willing to share?
The scriptures are silent on what Tribe John the Revelator is. We know that John the Baptist, being a kohen, would have been of Levi. My GUESS is that all the disciples were of Yehudah except for those specifically mentioned otherwise.

I admit I haven't done research on John the Revelator's tribe. Or the tribe of any of Christ's disciples.
Just a thought for you, John was transfiguration like the 3 Nephites he can't die.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 11:41 pm
by Being There
Subcomandante wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 8:06 pm This is a discussion point on this forum that has been brought up many times. I have generally ignored this topic or sometimes with a lot of antagonism have decried the topic especially if it came to the Church being in apostasy.

But I have studied about this topic as of late on my own, and am prepared to bring my own findings regarding it. It turns out this is quite important.

My study is based on what I have read in the Scriptures about this character in former times and how he is to act in these last days.

It is my contention that the One Mighty and Strong is PROBABLY John the Theologian, also known as John the Revelator.

John was the youngest disciple of Jesus by far, and his interactions in the Scriptures can best be described as intense. According to Mark, Jesus put upon him as well as James, the last name Boanerges, interpreted to mean Sons of Thunder. James died relatively early compared to the other apostles, killed by the wicked rulers of Jerusalem.

Thunder would have been seen as showing intense temprament. It is very clear that a "nice guy" would NEVER be called a Son of Thunder. John had his run-ins with the authorities and he showed defiance to them at every turn. When the emperor Domitian had him under custody, John angered him so that he was going to be publicly executed in the Colosseum by lowering his body into a vat of boiling oil. By a miracle, John was protected and it is said that the witnesses to the act themselves converted to Christianity. So Domitian exiles him to Patmos, a barren isle in the Aegean Sea. He writes a vivid prophecy known as Revelation. He escapes to Ephesus where he becomes the primary elder of the church there, where he writes his Testimony as well as his Epistles, signing off on the latter ones as "The Elder."

Tradition dictates that his gravesite is in Turkey, but there is no body there. The local tradition says that a few days after his followers laid him in what was to be his grave, he walked out and headed north to be with the tribes in the northern countries.

In our tradition, John never died, and he has a special mission in the last days to call the tribes from their positions to bring Israel from the realm of the lost to inherit the land. The Three Nephites are also to assist John but their main aim will be the descendants of the Lamanites though they will also be found throughout all of Israel too. He has that specific key of gathering.

The One Mighty and Strong is going to act in an opposite way to what most of the leadership today is acting. He is NOT going to be a nice guy. Being of Semitic origins, he is NOT going to tolerate the least amount of injustice. He is going to prepare his people to be received by the Messiah. He will be of the Messiah's same type of culture. One that demands that those that hurt the innocence of the little ones need to chain a millstone around their necks and heave themselves into the ocean. One that brings out a whip and calls the leaders SOBs or simply Bs (yes, Jesus DID use the Hebrew equivalent of that word when talking about Herodes Antipas) when they are not meting out justice. The oppressors of the people will be punished severely.

The sad thing is there will be many members of the Church, when they see these things, they will reject him as a wild man. They will profess to know Jesus, to walk in His ways, but in their actions, they will find themselves disparate. This is why the prophesied calamities will fall on them first, because they will blaspheme against Jesus in the midst of His holy house. This is why I could see many millions of people (more than the current membership of the Church by various factors) accept Jesus, even if they don't know His teachings very well.

What do I want to say with all of this?

Follow Jesus. He is about to work many miracles amongst everyone. Certainly do NOT put Him in a box. He is capable of calling new prophets from the very rocks of the earth.

A cautionary tale here: I could very well be VERY WRONG here about my intepretation of the OMAS. But when you look into the character of Jesus and His disciples, on both continents, there are many things that are too powerful to ignore. And to be honest, I don't think I am completely ready to meet Him or the OMAS. There are things which I must still learn and ACT upon.
of course you've ignored it - (that the church is in APOSTASY - Isaiah 1:4)
That's what you do when the truth isn't what you want it to be - you ignore it -
that's what you've always done - just like most all other TBM.
forever they'll be saying - "ALL IS WELL IN ZION" - (btw I coined that phrase )
It is my contention that the One Mighty and Strong is PROBABLY John the Theologian, also known as John the Revelator.
more importantly - also known as "John the Beloved"

and congrats on your new find- about John being the One Mighty and Strong.
I've posted about John probably a 100 times in this forum for the last 7 years -
almost to the exact day - 7 years ago - when I was Isaiah is this forum.
* Post by Isaiah » June 20th, 2016, 11:24 am
(today is June 22th, 2023)
showing and proving by scripture - that John is the marred servant,
and my other posts showing that he is in fact the One Mighty and Strong .


Re: Davidic servant?

* Post by Isaiah » June 20th, 2016, 11:24 am
viewtopic.php?p=717693&hilit=Elias#p717693

(in part)
"This marred servant, marred because most members
will not believe his words is John.
The "marred servant" is John the Revelator

He will be a descendent of Jesse, or of the
royal Davidic lineage.
he will be a righteous ruler because he will
judge the people, hence he is a Davidic king.

It is this mission, ( he saw himself in Revelations)
what his own mission would be; to gather Israel
in the last days, and be an Elias - a forerunner
to the coming of Christ. Just as John the Baptist
was an Elias - a forerunner to Christ.
For this important mission he (John the Rev.)
has tarried in the flesh for 19 centuries.

He is the "Root of Jessie" in Isaiah 11,
also the Davidic King and may also be the
Man like Moses, and whom rightly belongs,
who holds the keys of the
priesthood and the kingdom.
D&C113:4-6 6 "Behold, thus saith the Lord,
it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of Joseph,
unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood,
and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign,
and for the gathering of my people in the last days"

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 22nd, 2023, 11:53 pm
by Subcomandante
Being There wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 11:41 pm
Subcomandante wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 8:06 pm This is a discussion point on this forum that has been brought up many times. I have generally ignored this topic or sometimes with a lot of antagonism have decried the topic especially if it came to the Church being in apostasy.

But I have studied about this topic as of late on my own, and am prepared to bring my own findings regarding it. It turns out this is quite important.

My study is based on what I have read in the Scriptures about this character in former times and how he is to act in these last days.

It is my contention that the One Mighty and Strong is PROBABLY John the Theologian, also known as John the Revelator.

John was the youngest disciple of Jesus by far, and his interactions in the Scriptures can best be described as intense. According to Mark, Jesus put upon him as well as James, the last name Boanerges, interpreted to mean Sons of Thunder. James died relatively early compared to the other apostles, killed by the wicked rulers of Jerusalem.

Thunder would have been seen as showing intense temprament. It is very clear that a "nice guy" would NEVER be called a Son of Thunder. John had his run-ins with the authorities and he showed defiance to them at every turn. When the emperor Domitian had him under custody, John angered him so that he was going to be publicly executed in the Colosseum by lowering his body into a vat of boiling oil. By a miracle, John was protected and it is said that the witnesses to the act themselves converted to Christianity. So Domitian exiles him to Patmos, a barren isle in the Aegean Sea. He writes a vivid prophecy known as Revelation. He escapes to Ephesus where he becomes the primary elder of the church there, where he writes his Testimony as well as his Epistles, signing off on the latter ones as "The Elder."

Tradition dictates that his gravesite is in Turkey, but there is no body there. The local tradition says that a few days after his followers laid him in what was to be his grave, he walked out and headed north to be with the tribes in the northern countries.

In our tradition, John never died, and he has a special mission in the last days to call the tribes from their positions to bring Israel from the realm of the lost to inherit the land. The Three Nephites are also to assist John but their main aim will be the descendants of the Lamanites though they will also be found throughout all of Israel too. He has that specific key of gathering.

The One Mighty and Strong is going to act in an opposite way to what most of the leadership today is acting. He is NOT going to be a nice guy. Being of Semitic origins, he is NOT going to tolerate the least amount of injustice. He is going to prepare his people to be received by the Messiah. He will be of the Messiah's same type of culture. One that demands that those that hurt the innocence of the little ones need to chain a millstone around their necks and heave themselves into the ocean. One that brings out a whip and calls the leaders SOBs or simply Bs (yes, Jesus DID use the Hebrew equivalent of that word when talking about Herodes Antipas) when they are not meting out justice. The oppressors of the people will be punished severely.

The sad thing is there will be many members of the Church, when they see these things, they will reject him as a wild man. They will profess to know Jesus, to walk in His ways, but in their actions, they will find themselves disparate. This is why the prophesied calamities will fall on them first, because they will blaspheme against Jesus in the midst of His holy house. This is why I could see many millions of people (more than the current membership of the Church by various factors) accept Jesus, even if they don't know His teachings very well.

What do I want to say with all of this?

Follow Jesus. He is about to work many miracles amongst everyone. Certainly do NOT put Him in a box. He is capable of calling new prophets from the very rocks of the earth.

A cautionary tale here: I could very well be VERY WRONG here about my intepretation of the OMAS. But when you look into the character of Jesus and His disciples, on both continents, there are many things that are too powerful to ignore. And to be honest, I don't think I am completely ready to meet Him or the OMAS. There are things which I must still learn and ACT upon.
of course you've ignored it - (that the church is in APOSTASY - Isaiah 1:4)
That's what you do when the truth isn't what you want it to be - you ignore it -
that's what you've always done - just like most all other TBM.
forever they'll be saying - "ALL IS WELL IN ZION" - (btw I coined that phrase )
It is my contention that the One Mighty and Strong is PROBABLY John the Theologian, also known as John the Revelator.
more importantly - also known as "John the Beloved"

and congrats on your new find- about John being the One Mighty and Strong.
I've posted about John probably a 100 times in this forum for the last 7 years -
almost to the exact day - 7 years ago - when I was Isaiah is this forum.
* Post by Isaiah » June 20th, 2016, 11:24 am
(today is June 22th, 2023)
showing and proving by scripture - that John is the marred servant,
and my other posts showing that he is in fact the One Mighty and Strong .


Re: Davidic servant?

* Post by Isaiah » June 20th, 2016, 11:24 am
viewtopic.php?p=717693&hilit=Elias#p717693

(in part)
"This marred servant, marred because most members
will not believe his words is John.
The "marred servant" is John the Revelator

He will be a descendent of Jesse, or of the
royal Davidic lineage.
he will be a righteous ruler because he will
judge the people, hence he is a Davidic king.

It is this mission, ( he saw himself in Revelations)
what his own mission would be; to gather Israel
in the last days, and be an Elias - a forerunner
to the coming of Christ. Just as John the Baptist
was an Elias - a forerunner to Christ.
For this important mission he (John the Rev.)
has tarried in the flesh for 19 centuries.

He is the "Root of Jessie" in Isaiah 11,
also the Davidic King and may also be the
Man like Moses, and whom rightly belongs,
who holds the keys of the
priesthood and the kingdom.
D&C113:4-6 6 "Behold, thus saith the Lord,
it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of Joseph,
unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood,
and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign,
and for the gathering of my people in the last days"
That's what I've DONE (Present Perfect tense, indicating a process in the past that implies that it has ended.) Not what I am DOING. Since my awakening, I see things VERY differently than before.

My days of being what some call a TBM are DONE. Christ is NOT going to care about membership in an organization, as much as He IS going to care about truly following Him.

Why? Because Christ has announced that the beginning of the latter-day calamities are going to happen in His House. Among those that profess a knowledge of Jesus, among those that profess that they are on the covenant path, among those that profess faith in Jesus, but do the opposite of what Jesus and the messengers say. In other words, BLASPHEMING against the Lord in the midst of His holy house.

What does that say? Membership in an organization, even one which claims to be the Kingdom of God on the Earth, will not amount to anything. Especially if that member is not living the commandments of God. Even more especially if the LEADERS of said organization start to lead people astray. What will become important is that a person gets to know God and gets to know Jesus. You don't need to sit for ten hours in General Conference. You don't need to sit in four to five lessons with the missionaries for that to happen. A simple prayer and conversation that lasts for a few minutes is MORE than enough, though you must be striving to get further conversations. And not let that new attention get to your head, but give the glory to God in everything.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 2:49 am
by BeNotDeceived
tmac wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 10:21 pm My favorite saying for a statement like that is, “And s/he said it as if it were true.” All I want to know is how anyone can be so certain of any of this.
The March 8 and 18th miracles.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 6:25 am
by blitzinstripes
Lynn wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 10:13 pm The one labelled as OMAS is John who authored the Book of Revelation- but it was John the Baptist, not John the Beloved. And John the Baptist is the very same Elijah of old, as to the soul. There are also two angles that will be in play- the two witnesses are Elijah & Moses sent yet again. But on another note from ancient writings, the two it speaks of, is Enoch & Elijah. In other words, Enoch is sent yet again, and Elijah has never been busier.
John the Baptist was beheaded long before the Book of Revelation was written. Before the crucifixion of Christ. Revelation was authored by John the disciple aka John the beloved aka John Boanerges "son of thunder" (see Subcomandante's post on the OMAS) while exiled to the Isle of Patmos.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 7:13 am
by simpleton
Being There wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 11:41 pm
Subcomandante wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 8:06 pm This is a discussion point on this forum that has been brought up many times. I have generally ignored this topic or sometimes with a lot of antagonism have decried the topic especially if it came to the Church being in apostasy.

But I have studied about this topic as of late on my own, and am prepared to bring my own findings regarding it. It turns out this is quite important.

My study is based on what I have read in the Scriptures about this character in former times and how he is to act in these last days.

It is my contention that the One Mighty and Strong is PROBABLY John the Theologian, also known as John the Revelator.

John was the youngest disciple of Jesus by far, and his interactions in the Scriptures can best be described as intense. According to Mark, Jesus put upon him as well as James, the last name Boanerges, interpreted to mean Sons of Thunder. James died relatively early compared to the other apostles, killed by the wicked rulers of Jerusalem.

Thunder would have been seen as showing intense temprament. It is very clear that a "nice guy" would NEVER be called a Son of Thunder. John had his run-ins with the authorities and he showed defiance to them at every turn. When the emperor Domitian had him under custody, John angered him so that he was going to be publicly executed in the Colosseum by lowering his body into a vat of boiling oil. By a miracle, John was protected and it is said that the witnesses to the act themselves converted to Christianity. So Domitian exiles him to Patmos, a barren isle in the Aegean Sea. He writes a vivid prophecy known as Revelation. He escapes to Ephesus where he becomes the primary elder of the church there, where he writes his Testimony as well as his Epistles, signing off on the latter ones as "The Elder."

Tradition dictates that his gravesite is in Turkey, but there is no body there. The local tradition says that a few days after his followers laid him in what was to be his grave, he walked out and headed north to be with the tribes in the northern countries.

In our tradition, John never died, and he has a special mission in the last days to call the tribes from their positions to bring Israel from the realm of the lost to inherit the land. The Three Nephites are also to assist John but their main aim will be the descendants of the Lamanites though they will also be found throughout all of Israel too. He has that specific key of gathering.

The One Mighty and Strong is going to act in an opposite way to what most of the leadership today is acting. He is NOT going to be a nice guy. Being of Semitic origins, he is NOT going to tolerate the least amount of injustice. He is going to prepare his people to be received by the Messiah. He will be of the Messiah's same type of culture. One that demands that those that hurt the innocence of the little ones need to chain a millstone around their necks and heave themselves into the ocean. One that brings out a whip and calls the leaders SOBs or simply Bs (yes, Jesus DID use the Hebrew equivalent of that word when talking about Herodes Antipas) when they are not meting out justice. The oppressors of the people will be punished severely.

The sad thing is there will be many members of the Church, when they see these things, they will reject him as a wild man. They will profess to know Jesus, to walk in His ways, but in their actions, they will find themselves disparate. This is why the prophesied calamities will fall on them first, because they will blaspheme against Jesus in the midst of His holy house. This is why I could see many millions of people (more than the current membership of the Church by various factors) accept Jesus, even if they don't know His teachings very well.

What do I want to say with all of this?

Follow Jesus. He is about to work many miracles amongst everyone. Certainly do NOT put Him in a box. He is capable of calling new prophets from the very rocks of the earth.

A cautionary tale here: I could very well be VERY WRONG here about my intepretation of the OMAS. But when you look into the character of Jesus and His disciples, on both continents, there are many things that are too powerful to ignore. And to be honest, I don't think I am completely ready to meet Him or the OMAS. There are things which I must still learn and ACT upon.
of course you've ignored it - (that the church is in APOSTASY - Isaiah 1:4)
That's what you do when the truth isn't what you want it to be - you ignore it -
that's what you've always done - just like most all other TBM.
forever they'll be saying - "ALL IS WELL IN ZION" - (btw I coined that phrase )
It is my contention that the One Mighty and Strong is PROBABLY John the Theologian, also known as John the Revelator.
more importantly - also known as "John the Beloved"

and congrats on your new find- about John being the One Mighty and Strong.
I've posted about John probably a 100 times in this forum for the last 7 years -
almost to the exact day - 7 years ago - when I was Isaiah is this forum.
* Post by Isaiah » June 20th, 2016, 11:24 am
(today is June 22th, 2023)
showing and proving by scripture - that John is the marred servant,
and my other posts showing that he is in fact the One Mighty and Strong .


Re: Davidic servant?

* Post by Isaiah » June 20th, 2016, 11:24 am
viewtopic.php?p=717693&hilit=Elias#p717693

(in part)
"This marred servant, marred because most members
will not believe his words is John.
The "marred servant" is John the Revelator

He will be a descendent of Jesse, or of the
royal Davidic lineage.
he will be a righteous ruler because he will
judge the people, hence he is a Davidic king.

It is this mission, ( he saw himself in Revelations)
what his own mission would be; to gather Israel
in the last days, and be an Elias - a forerunner
to the coming of Christ. Just as John the Baptist
was an Elias - a forerunner to Christ.
For this important mission he (John the Rev.)
has tarried in the flesh for 19 centuries.

He is the "Root of Jessie" in Isaiah 11,
also the Davidic King and may also be the
Man like Moses, and whom rightly belongs,
who holds the keys of the
priesthood and the kingdom.
D&C113:4-6 6 "Behold, thus saith the Lord,
it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of Joseph,
unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood,

and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign,
and for the gathering of my people in the last days"

Of Joseph also, very important. Through Ephraim?, through Mannasah? Through a mixture of both sons?.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 7:59 am
by Being There
as I've posted before - about The One Mighty and Strong


the word "inheritances"
shall return, and come to their inheritances,

is a key word, in showing the time -
the time after the U.S. is cleansed and swept clean - destroyed and become "the waste places of Zion" -
"the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come,
and shall build up the waste places of Zion"
and (come to their inheritances - and Zion is established)
"that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem"


about inheritances, and the end-times -after the U.S is destroyed,
and about the Lord's end-time servant - The one mighty and strong -
who appoints lands of inheritance as Jehovah’s coming as salvation draws near.

The One Mighty and Strong - in D&C 85
is the Lord's end-time Davidic servant
as found in Isaiah.


look for word links. ********

ALSO
Most don't know this, and are only familiar with the Mighty and Strong One
that is spoken of in D&C 85 who is the Lord's end-time servant.
7-8: “And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send ********one mighty and strong,
holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words;
while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth to set in order the house of God,
********and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God; while that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by a vivid shaft of lightening.”

quote
"I once heard an LDS lecturer declare: “If the authorities knew how many problems this scripture was going to cause them, they would have never let it in the Doctrine and Covenants.” This may be true and the present day authorities would love to rip this section out of the book, but since it would bring criticism from the people, they decided to ignore it instead.
Even if it were taken out of the D&C (which may possibly happen in the future), it would still be in Isaiah,
and all the Bibles in the world cannot be changed.
"


Isaiah speaks of both "mighty and strong". There are 2 of them.
1. is His right hand, is the Lord's Davidic servant.
2. is His left hand, the king of Assyria. (Isaiah 28:2)
https://www.isaiahexplained.com/search? ... of+Assyria

Isaiah 28
2 My Lord has in store******** one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down,
or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters, he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters”
identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
******** A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last.
Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies

(Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground
(cf. vv 1, 3).


His right hand, is the Lord's Davidic servant. (below)
Isaiah 34

16 Search, and read it in the book of Jehovah: None is unaccounted for, not one lacks her mate.
By his mouth he decreed it,
by his Spirit he brings them together.
17 ******** It is he who allots them an inheritance, his hand that divides it by measure.
They shall possess it forever,
inhabit it from generation to generation.

Carrying bird imagery a step further, Isaiah shows that Jehovah assigns each female a mate by an edict recorded in his “book”—the Book of Life. Jehovah’s mouth—his servant—“decrees” or “ordains” (siwwa) it, while Jehovah’s Spirit brings them together so that they find one another. Jehovah’s hand—his servant—assigns them permanent inheritances in the land, as did Joshua:
“I have created you and appointed you to be a covenant of the people,
******** to restore the Land and reapportion the desolate estates” (Isaiah 49:8; cf. Joshua 11:23).
Unlike in modern times, divine inheritances are never sold.



Isaiah 49

8 Thus says Jehovah:At a favorable time I have answered you; in the day of salvation I have come to your aid:
******** I have created you and appointed you to be a covenant of the people,to restore the Land and reapportion the desolate estates,
9 to say to the captives, Come forth!
and to those in darkness, Show yourselves! They shall feed along the way and find pasture on all barren heights;

The servant’s reversal of circumstances portends a reversal of circumstances for Jehovah’s elect.
As Jehovah empowers his servant, so the servant empowers them (Isaiah 61:1-5).
Both follow the same pattern of loyalty to Jehovah: “Your faithfulness in time [of trial] shall prove to be a strength, your wisdom and knowledge your salvation” (Isaiah 33:6).
The “favorable time” in which Jehovah answers his servant’s intercession on behalf of his people
under the terms of the Davidic Covenant
coincides with the “day of salvation”—Jehovah’s Day of Judgment that precedes his coming to the earth.

Jehovah’s “creating” or re-creating and “appointing” his servant as a covenant to his people (cf. Isaiah 42:6)
denotes his ascent to the seraph level and his role as mediator of Jehovah’s covenant.
After freeing the spiritual captives of Jehovah’s people (Isaiah 42:7)—those who were blind and deaf on account of their idolatries (Isaiah 42:17-20)—the servant frees them physically (vv 24-25; Isaiah 45:13).
Those who were subject to physical darkness—to the king of Assyria/Babylon—
******** the servant appoints lands of inheritance as Jehovah’s coming as salvation draws near (v 8; Isaiah 52:7; 58:8, 12).


"Wherefore, because of this covenant thou art blessed;
for thy seed shall not be destroyed, for they shall hearken unto the words of the book.
And there shall rise up one mighty among them [the seed of Lehi], who shall do much good, both in word and in deed, being an instrument in the hands of God, with exceeding faith, to work mighty wonders, and do that thing which is great in the sight of God, unto the bringing to pass much restoration unto the house of Israel, and unto the seed of thy brethren." (2 Nephi 3:23-24)

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 8:14 am
by Christianlee

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 9:54 am
by Robin Hood
Subcomandante wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 8:06 pm This is a discussion point on this forum that has been brought up many times. I have generally ignored this topic or sometimes with a lot of antagonism have decried the topic especially if it came to the Church being in apostasy.

But I have studied about this topic as of late on my own, and am prepared to bring my own findings regarding it. It turns out this is quite important.

My study is based on what I have read in the Scriptures about this character in former times and how he is to act in these last days.

It is my contention that the One Mighty and Strong is PROBABLY John the Theologian, also known as John the Revelator.

John was the youngest disciple of Jesus by far, and his interactions in the Scriptures can best be described as intense. According to Mark, Jesus put upon him as well as James, the last name Boanerges, interpreted to mean Sons of Thunder. James died relatively early compared to the other apostles, killed by the wicked rulers of Jerusalem.

Thunder would have been seen as showing intense temprament. It is very clear that a "nice guy" would NEVER be called a Son of Thunder. John had his run-ins with the authorities and he showed defiance to them at every turn. When the emperor Domitian had him under custody, John angered him so that he was going to be publicly executed in the Colosseum by lowering his body into a vat of boiling oil. By a miracle, John was protected and it is said that the witnesses to the act themselves converted to Christianity. So Domitian exiles him to Patmos, a barren isle in the Aegean Sea. He writes a vivid prophecy known as Revelation. He escapes to Ephesus where he becomes the primary elder of the church there, where he writes his Testimony as well as his Epistles, signing off on the latter ones as "The Elder."

Tradition dictates that his gravesite is in Turkey, but there is no body there. The local tradition says that a few days after his followers laid him in what was to be his grave, he walked out and headed north to be with the tribes in the northern countries.

In our tradition, John never died, and he has a special mission in the last days to call the tribes from their positions to bring Israel from the realm of the lost to inherit the land. The Three Nephites are also to assist John but their main aim will be the descendants of the Lamanites though they will also be found throughout all of Israel too. He has that specific key of gathering.

The One Mighty and Strong is going to act in an opposite way to what most of the leadership today is acting. He is NOT going to be a nice guy. Being of Semitic origins, he is NOT going to tolerate the least amount of injustice. He is going to prepare his people to be received by the Messiah. He will be of the Messiah's same type of culture. One that demands that those that hurt the innocence of the little ones need to chain a millstone around their necks and heave themselves into the ocean. One that brings out a whip and calls the leaders SOBs or simply Bs (yes, Jesus DID use the Hebrew equivalent of that word when talking about Herodes Antipas) when they are not meting out justice. The oppressors of the people will be punished severely.

The sad thing is there will be many members of the Church, when they see these things, they will reject him as a wild man. They will profess to know Jesus, to walk in His ways, but in their actions, they will find themselves disparate. This is why the prophesied calamities will fall on them first, because they will blaspheme against Jesus in the midst of His holy house. This is why I could see many millions of people (more than the current membership of the Church by various factors) accept Jesus, even if they don't know His teachings very well.

What do I want to say with all of this?

Follow Jesus. He is about to work many miracles amongst everyone. Certainly do NOT put Him in a box. He is capable of calling new prophets from the very rocks of the earth.

A cautionary tale here: I could very well be VERY WRONG here about my intepretation of the OMAS. But when you look into the character of Jesus and His disciples, on both continents, there are many things that are too powerful to ignore. And to be honest, I don't think I am completely ready to meet Him or the OMAS. There are things which I must still learn and ACT upon.
Interesting thoughts.
I believe the OM&S has been and gone.
I believe it was Brigham Young.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 10:49 am
by Robin Hood
Being There wrote: June 23rd, 2023, 7:59 am as I've posted before - about The One Mighty and Strong


the word "inheritances"
shall return, and come to their inheritances,

is a key word, in showing the time -
the time after the U.S. is cleansed and swept clean - destroyed and become "the waste places of Zion" -
"the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come,
and shall build up the waste places of Zion"
and (come to their inheritances - and Zion is established)
"that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem"


about inheritances, and the end-times -after the U.S is destroyed,
and about the Lord's end-time servant - The one mighty and strong -
who appoints lands of inheritance as Jehovah’s coming as salvation draws near.

The One Mighty and Strong - in D&C 85
is the Lord's end-time Davidic servant
as found in Isaiah.


look for word links. ********

ALSO
Most don't know this, and are only familiar with the Mighty and Strong One
that is spoken of in D&C 85 who is the Lord's end-time servant.
7-8: “And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send ********one mighty and strong,
holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words;
while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth to set in order the house of God,
********and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God; while that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by a vivid shaft of lightening.”

quote
"I once heard an LDS lecturer declare: “If the authorities knew how many problems this scripture was going to cause them, they would have never let it in the Doctrine and Covenants.” This may be true and the present day authorities would love to rip this section out of the book, but since it would bring criticism from the people, they decided to ignore it instead.
Even if it were taken out of the D&C (which may possibly happen in the future), it would still be in Isaiah,
and all the Bibles in the world cannot be changed.
"


Isaiah speaks of both "mighty and strong". There are 2 of them.
1. is His right hand, is the Lord's Davidic servant.
2. is His left hand, the king of Assyria. (Isaiah 28:2)
https://www.isaiahexplained.com/search? ... of+Assyria

Isaiah 28
2 My Lord has in store******** one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down,
or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters, he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters”
identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
******** A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last.
Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies

(Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground
(cf. vv 1, 3).


His right hand, is the Lord's Davidic servant. (below)
Isaiah 34

16 Search, and read it in the book of Jehovah: None is unaccounted for, not one lacks her mate.
By his mouth he decreed it,
by his Spirit he brings them together.
17 ******** It is he who allots them an inheritance, his hand that divides it by measure.
They shall possess it forever,
inhabit it from generation to generation.

Carrying bird imagery a step further, Isaiah shows that Jehovah assigns each female a mate by an edict recorded in his “book”—the Book of Life. Jehovah’s mouth—his servant—“decrees” or “ordains” (siwwa) it, while Jehovah’s Spirit brings them together so that they find one another. Jehovah’s hand—his servant—assigns them permanent inheritances in the land, as did Joshua:
“I have created you and appointed you to be a covenant of the people,
******** to restore the Land and reapportion the desolate estates” (Isaiah 49:8; cf. Joshua 11:23).
Unlike in modern times, divine inheritances are never sold.



Isaiah 49

8 Thus says Jehovah:At a favorable time I have answered you; in the day of salvation I have come to your aid:
******** I have created you and appointed you to be a covenant of the people,to restore the Land and reapportion the desolate estates,
9 to say to the captives, Come forth!
and to those in darkness, Show yourselves! They shall feed along the way and find pasture on all barren heights;

The servant’s reversal of circumstances portends a reversal of circumstances for Jehovah’s elect.
As Jehovah empowers his servant, so the servant empowers them (Isaiah 61:1-5).
Both follow the same pattern of loyalty to Jehovah: “Your faithfulness in time [of trial] shall prove to be a strength, your wisdom and knowledge your salvation” (Isaiah 33:6).
The “favorable time” in which Jehovah answers his servant’s intercession on behalf of his people
under the terms of the Davidic Covenant
coincides with the “day of salvation”—Jehovah’s Day of Judgment that precedes his coming to the earth.

Jehovah’s “creating” or re-creating and “appointing” his servant as a covenant to his people (cf. Isaiah 42:6)
denotes his ascent to the seraph level and his role as mediator of Jehovah’s covenant.
After freeing the spiritual captives of Jehovah’s people (Isaiah 42:7)—those who were blind and deaf on account of their idolatries (Isaiah 42:17-20)—the servant frees them physically (vv 24-25; Isaiah 45:13).
Those who were subject to physical darkness—to the king of Assyria/Babylon—
******** the servant appoints lands of inheritance as Jehovah’s coming as salvation draws near (v 8; Isaiah 52:7; 58:8, 12).


"Wherefore, because of this covenant thou art blessed;
for thy seed shall not be destroyed, for they shall hearken unto the words of the book.
And there shall rise up one mighty among them [the seed of Lehi], who shall do much good, both in word and in deed, being an instrument in the hands of God, with exceeding faith, to work mighty wonders, and do that thing which is great in the sight of God, unto the bringing to pass much restoration unto the house of Israel, and unto the seed of thy brethren." (2 Nephi 3:23-24)
Notice it doesn't say from among them, just "among them". So it could be referring to a Gentile or an Israelite other than from Mannasah, who lives in their midst.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 11:28 am
by Luke
Being There wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 11:41 pm forever they'll be saying - "ALL IS WELL IN ZION" - (btw I coined that phrase )
No you didn’t lmao it comes from the Book of Mormon

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 1:24 pm
by Robin Hood
Being There wrote: June 23rd, 2023, 7:59 am as I've posted before - about The One Mighty and Strong


the word "inheritances"
shall return, and come to their inheritances,

is a key word, in showing the time -
the time after the U.S. is cleansed and swept clean - destroyed and become "the waste places of Zion" -
"the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come,
and shall build up the waste places of Zion"
and (come to their inheritances - and Zion is established)
"that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem"


about inheritances, and the end-times -after the U.S is destroyed,
and about the Lord's end-time servant - The one mighty and strong -
who appoints lands of inheritance as Jehovah’s coming as salvation draws near.

The One Mighty and Strong - in D&C 85
is the Lord's end-time Davidic servant
as found in Isaiah.


look for word links. ********

ALSO
Most don't know this, and are only familiar with the Mighty and Strong One
that is spoken of in D&C 85 who is the Lord's end-time servant.
7-8: “And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send ********one mighty and strong,
holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words;
while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth to set in order the house of God,
********and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God; while that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by a vivid shaft of lightening.”

quote
"I once heard an LDS lecturer declare: “If the authorities knew how many problems this scripture was going to cause them, they would have never let it in the Doctrine and Covenants.” This may be true and the present day authorities would love to rip this section out of the book, but since it would bring criticism from the people, they decided to ignore it instead.
Even if it were taken out of the D&C (which may possibly happen in the future), it would still be in Isaiah,
and all the Bibles in the world cannot be changed.
"


Isaiah speaks of both "mighty and strong". There are 2 of them.
1. is His right hand, is the Lord's Davidic servant.
2. is His left hand, the king of Assyria. (Isaiah 28:2)
https://www.isaiahexplained.com/search? ... of+Assyria

Isaiah 28
2 My Lord has in store******** one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down,
or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters, he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters”
identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
******** A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last.
Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies

(Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground
(cf. vv 1, 3).


His right hand, is the Lord's Davidic servant. (below)
Isaiah 34

16 Search, and read it in the book of Jehovah: None is unaccounted for, not one lacks her mate.
By his mouth he decreed it,
by his Spirit he brings them together.
17 ******** It is he who allots them an inheritance, his hand that divides it by measure.
They shall possess it forever,
inhabit it from generation to generation.

Carrying bird imagery a step further, Isaiah shows that Jehovah assigns each female a mate by an edict recorded in his “book”—the Book of Life. Jehovah’s mouth—his servant—“decrees” or “ordains” (siwwa) it, while Jehovah’s Spirit brings them together so that they find one another. Jehovah’s hand—his servant—assigns them permanent inheritances in the land, as did Joshua:
“I have created you and appointed you to be a covenant of the people,
******** to restore the Land and reapportion the desolate estates” (Isaiah 49:8; cf. Joshua 11:23).
Unlike in modern times, divine inheritances are never sold.



Isaiah 49

8 Thus says Jehovah:At a favorable time I have answered you; in the day of salvation I have come to your aid:
******** I have created you and appointed you to be a covenant of the people,to restore the Land and reapportion the desolate estates,
9 to say to the captives, Come forth!
and to those in darkness, Show yourselves! They shall feed along the way and find pasture on all barren heights;

The servant’s reversal of circumstances portends a reversal of circumstances for Jehovah’s elect.
As Jehovah empowers his servant, so the servant empowers them (Isaiah 61:1-5).
Both follow the same pattern of loyalty to Jehovah: “Your faithfulness in time [of trial] shall prove to be a strength, your wisdom and knowledge your salvation” (Isaiah 33:6).
The “favorable time” in which Jehovah answers his servant’s intercession on behalf of his people
under the terms of the Davidic Covenant
coincides with the “day of salvation”—Jehovah’s Day of Judgment that precedes his coming to the earth.

Jehovah’s “creating” or re-creating and “appointing” his servant as a covenant to his people (cf. Isaiah 42:6)
denotes his ascent to the seraph level and his role as mediator of Jehovah’s covenant.
After freeing the spiritual captives of Jehovah’s people (Isaiah 42:7)—those who were blind and deaf on account of their idolatries (Isaiah 42:17-20)—the servant frees them physically (vv 24-25; Isaiah 45:13).
Those who were subject to physical darkness—to the king of Assyria/Babylon—
******** the servant appoints lands of inheritance as Jehovah’s coming as salvation draws near (v 8; Isaiah 52:7; 58:8, 12).


"Wherefore, because of this covenant thou art blessed;
for thy seed shall not be destroyed, for they shall hearken unto the words of the book.
And there shall rise up one mighty among them [the seed of Lehi], who shall do much good, both in word and in deed, being an instrument in the hands of God, with exceeding faith, to work mighty wonders, and do that thing which is great in the sight of God, unto the bringing to pass much restoration unto the house of Israel, and unto the seed of thy brethren." (2 Nephi 3:23-24)
The OM&S and the Davidic Servant are not the same person.
The OM&S is a Mormon issue and is sent to the church/covenant people, while the Davidic Servant has nothing to do with the church and is a player on the world stage.

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 5:59 pm
by Cruiserdude
Luke wrote: June 23rd, 2023, 11:28 am
Being There wrote: June 22nd, 2023, 11:41 pm forever they'll be saying - "ALL IS WELL IN ZION" - (btw I coined that phrase )
No you didn’t lmao it comes from the Book of Mormon
😂😂😂

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 8:35 pm
by FellowPilgrim
I humbly propose maybe it is Joseph Smith?

Re: ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG - my take on who he could be

Posted: June 23rd, 2023, 11:04 pm
by Lynn
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John the Baptist was beheaded long before the Book of Revelation was written. Before the crucifixion of Christ. Revelation was authored by John the disciple aka John the beloved aka John Boanerges "son of thunder" (see Subcomandante's post on the OMAS) while exiled to the Isle of Patmos.
++++++++++++++

If you care to look up the meanings of Beloved & Divine, you will find that Divine fits John the Baptist like a "Tee". John the Beloved was not a seer, but an organizer. John was in jail for over a year before getting beheaded (which was from his karma of beheading the priests of Baal as Elijah the prophet). And it was in jail, that John the Baptist was "in the spirit on the Isle of Patmos" (not physically). He recorded the vision & handed it over to his disciples. The old story of it being John the Beloved, being exiled to Patmos, and dying there, falls apart for sure when those in the Restoration realize that John the Beloved was transfigured & did not taste of death, just as the 3 Nephites. But, new research is starting to say that the "story" that seems to have been interpreted, may not have been as originally happened. In the IV of RLDS-CoC aka JST of the Bible, Jesus again & again emphasizes the importance of John the Baptist, as Elijah, then as John then, and again in the future (our current era).

As you recall, there was a point that John while in jail, sent his disciples to Jesus. It was because of this grand vision, John wanted to know, if Jesus (his cousin) at this point (then some 2000 years ago) was to fulfill all that he was shown & told. Jesus never actually answers that question completely. Jesus kind of skirts around it.

Now, as to ...
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I humbly propose maybe it is Joseph Smith?
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And you would be correct, as to the OMAS. If you recall, the story or parable shared in the D&C, as well as in the Book of Mormon, speaking of the Lord & the servant of the vineyard. Have you not studied this out? What is the most peculiar thing taught in it? It is that there is only one Lord & one servant conversing again & again, over different intervals in physical time. In other words, the "servant" is sent again & again, and again, and again, as required.

Putting it bluntly, I'll spill the beans, as Elijah the prophet, as Isaiah, as the "Teacher" aka "Malachi" (the prophet who founded the Essenes to prepare for his Elijah's return & the Master (Lord), John the Baptist (referred to as the 2nd Elijah- man of action & the 2nd Isaiah- man of words), and Joseph Smith, jr. (again sent to prepare the way aka the Restoration). And he or she who starts a thing, is the only one to finish that thing. As you look at Revelation 10, John the Baptist is told "he" must go once again. It would not work, if it had been John the Beloved. In your D&C, Joseph shares it is an assignment for Elijah. This only can be rectified if John the Baptist is Elijah, and also Joseph Smith, therefore they are the very same soul, the "servant" sent again & again & again in sackcloth (a physical body). Elias is simply the Greek rendering of Elijah, which has allowed the "concealment" of this comprehension. I was about to share more, but the Spirit seems to say hold here before revealing more.