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In this recording I show that JS did what he was supposed to do.
Your session has timed out.Christianlee wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2023, 8:14 am An interesting article on this.
https://watermark.silverchair.com/45227 ... 8BbdVYcVbQ
The article is in Dialogue written by Brian C. Hales. It is entitled “ John T. Clark:BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 12:23 amYour session has timed out.Christianlee wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2023, 8:14 am An interesting article on this.
https://watermark.silverchair.com/45227 ... 8BbdVYcVbQ
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https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-cont ... N03_60.pdfChristianlee wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 2:35 amThe article is in Dialogue written by Brian C. Hales. It is entitled “ John T. Clark:BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 12:23 amYour session has timed out.Christianlee wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2023, 8:14 am An interesting article on this.
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The "One Mighty and Strong"” I found it with a Duck Duck Go search. It doesn’t look like I can create a permanent link.
Then you think the unspeakable truth, as does Taylor Drake in his book, Joseph in the Gap.
I remember when that book came out and I heard many interviews with the author.
I appreciate this comment and see wisdom in it.Subcomandante wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2023, 11:07 pmWhat makes you say that? Being on Jesus' good side does NOT imply belonging to any earthly organization, even one that claims to be the Kingdom of God on the Earth. I once believed that, true. Now, I am not so sure. Since my awakening after my near death experience with the Rona, it seems to me that the ultimate priority, regardless of membership in the LDS Church, is to be on Jesus' good side. There are many LDS Church members that are on Jesus' bad side. Conversely, there are many people that are not even Christians, that are on Jesus' good side, even though they may be ignorant of the teachings of Jesus in the Bible or other standard works.Being There wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2023, 11:04 pmJesus' good side ?Subcomandante wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2023, 10:43 pm
I am not certain of this. But I find the possibility intriguing at least. I even mention that I am open to being very wrong about all of this.
The most important thing in all of this is to be found on Jesus' good side when all is said and done.
and I suppose what you really mean - by that - is - on the LDS church's good side.
You'll never change Sub.
I don’t mind the speculation because you clearly identify it as such, but the part about John being a “son of thunder” isn’t speculation and that was the most interesting and intriguing part to me. I’m now more interested to see if more can be learned about that subject myself.Subcomandante wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2023, 8:06 pm This is a discussion point on this forum that has been brought up many times. I have generally ignored this topic or sometimes with a lot of antagonism have decried the topic especially if it came to the Church being in apostasy.
But I have studied about this topic as of late on my own, and am prepared to bring my own findings regarding it. It turns out this is quite important.
My study is based on what I have read in the Scriptures about this character in former times and how he is to act in these last days.
It is my contention that the One Mighty and Strong is PROBABLY John the Theologian, also known as John the Revelator.
John was the youngest disciple of Jesus by far, and his interactions in the Scriptures can best be described as intense. According to Mark, Jesus put upon him as well as James, the last name Boanerges, interpreted to mean Sons of Thunder. James died relatively early compared to the other apostles, killed by the wicked rulers of Jerusalem.
Thunder would have been seen as showing intense temprament. It is very clear that a "nice guy" would NEVER be called a Son of Thunder. John had his run-ins with the authorities and he showed defiance to them at every turn. When the emperor Domitian had him under custody, John angered him so that he was going to be publicly executed in the Colosseum by lowering his body into a vat of boiling oil. By a miracle, John was protected and it is said that the witnesses to the act themselves converted to Christianity. So Domitian exiles him to Patmos, a barren isle in the Aegean Sea. He writes a vivid prophecy known as Revelation. He escapes to Ephesus where he becomes the primary elder of the church there, where he writes his Testimony as well as his Epistles, signing off on the latter ones as "The Elder."
Tradition dictates that his gravesite is in Turkey, but there is no body there. The local tradition says that a few days after his followers laid him in what was to be his grave, he walked out and headed north to be with the tribes in the northern countries.
In our tradition, John never died, and he has a special mission in the last days to call the tribes from their positions to bring Israel from the realm of the lost to inherit the land. The Three Nephites are also to assist John but their main aim will be the descendants of the Lamanites though they will also be found throughout all of Israel too. He has that specific key of gathering.
The One Mighty and Strong is going to act in an opposite way to what most of the leadership today is acting. He is NOT going to be a nice guy. Being of Semitic origins, he is NOT going to tolerate the least amount of injustice. He is going to prepare his people to be received by the Messiah. He will be of the Messiah's same type of culture. One that demands that those that hurt the innocence of the little ones need to chain a millstone around their necks and heave themselves into the ocean. One that brings out a whip and calls the leaders SOBs or simply Bs (yes, Jesus DID use the Hebrew equivalent of that word when talking about Herodes Antipas) when they are not meting out justice. The oppressors of the people will be punished severely.
The sad thing is there will be many members of the Church, when they see these things, they will reject him as a wild man. They will profess to know Jesus, to walk in His ways, but in their actions, they will find themselves disparate. This is why the prophesied calamities will fall on them first, because they will blaspheme against Jesus in the midst of His holy house. This is why I could see many millions of people (more than the current membership of the Church by various factors) accept Jesus, even if they don't know His teachings very well.
What do I want to say with all of this?
Follow Jesus. He is about to work many miracles amongst everyone. Certainly do NOT put Him in a box. He is capable of calling new prophets from the very rocks of the earth.
A cautionary tale here: I could very well be VERY WRONG here about my intepretation of the OMAS. But when you look into the character of Jesus and His disciples, on both continents, there are many things that are too powerful to ignore. And to be honest, I don't think I am completely ready to meet Him or the OMAS. There are things which I must still learn and ACT upon.
Thank you for sharing this. It was good to read it again.TheChristian wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 10:50 am Many years ago, I prayed for my wildman Godless brother whom was at the time in the middle of the indian ocean apon an oil supply boat.
I felt his life was in grave danger. I asked the Lord, that if John the disciple was still apon the earth ministering to people would he send John to my wild man brother....
A couple of weeks later I recieved a letter from my brother.
He told me the following...
I was coiling a rope on deck off the indian coast, a man said he wanted to speak to me, I did not look up as was too busy, but the mans voice was so gentle as he spoke again I looked up, the man was dressed in an middle eastern type robe, with a cloth around his head as they do, his eyes were so peacefull, that I did not marvel at how he got apon our boat, so I said "Come to my cabin, we can talk there."
In the cabin he said, I have a message from God to give to you, your brother is praying for you in England and so God has sent me to you.
He told my brother things about his life that nobody knew, he also told him that he would soon get a terrible illness and that he must go home to get it remedied, he also told him his brazilian girlfriend was not for him and many other things, all of which caused my brother to marvel.
He then said to my brother as a sign to him that what he said was true that my brother had lost his wallet in bombay, and that when the ship docked there in a few days time, that the police would come to the boat and restore to him the wallet and all the money, etc, he had lost.
He said that at a later part of his life he would visit him again, as a surety that my brother was not imagining all this the man took a bracelet from off around his neck and broke in two the coin apon it and gave one half of it to my brother, he still has it to this day...
My brother asked him who he was, the strange man said to him.... I am one whom wanders thru all the nations of the earth, visiting those whom God sends me to , to bring comfort and blessings..
Then he left, when my brother came to his senses, he went out looking for the man asking both the other deckhands and the Skipper of the boat were was the Middle eastern type guy in the robes was, they laughed at him and said to him, your in the middle of the indian ocean mate, theres only us aboard the boat.
When the boat docked in bombay, the police came on board and the money and docuements my brother had lost, were given back to him...
Some time later he took gravely ill, so he followed the strange mans advice and immediatly went back home to the UK, were apon his life was saved...
I have to agree. I think there's very little to learn from this man.ransomme wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:07 amI remember when that book came out and I heard many interviews with the author.
IMO his writing and research is barely a notch above the CES letters. Seriously, I recall him having a shockingly poor understanding of serval key things.
How will you know it’s him, if and when he or the actual servant actually shows up?
It clearly states he's from the line of David (Jesus' line) that would be a Jew descendant! Then the tribe would be Judah!!
He will gain notoriety and publicity both for good and evil. The LDS leaders and members will reject him. I'm sure they will warn people against him. Satan hates him so most of the world will hate him too. Only those in tune with the spirit, like the ones who live in reality or maybe those that didn't take the death shot, the pure in heart, you know those types they will receive him!BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 2:19 pmHow will you know it’s him, if and when he or the actual servant actually shows up?
The MSO is of Ephraim.