Oliver’s excommunication

[FrankOne]

the plan is working.

destroy all faith
destroy all family
destroy belief itself
create anger


Is the entire church from the beginning, a hoax? So JS was just a very good liar? Did he make money on this hoax?

There's truth in it and something to be learned but you have to look for it instead of dismissing it all out of hand. He had experiences that were not of this world because he was born with an unusual ability, like his father. Blindly following any man is, of course, ridiculous, but...JS said that himself. Go figure, since , to you, he was just a con man.

That being said, look to any root of a religion and you'll find the exact same occurrence. Something otherwordly occurred to one man or woman and then men made a religion out of it until it was just about serving the edifice. Buddha was a perfect example as well.

It seems Joseph was good liar. He wanted a following and he certainly obtained that.
He said blindly following was wrong, yes. However, did you happen to read why Oliver was excommunicated?
“2nd, For seeking to destroying the character of President Joseph Smith jr, by falsly insinuating that he was guilty of adultry &c”

Never insult or question the “anointed brethren.” Especially if they commit sin.
But they can certainly call you out and ex you.

It was a false accusation.

I would call it a judgement made by a man that didn't believe JS any longer and called him out on it. Yet, I have no idea whether JS was commanded by God to take fannie Alger as wife. I wasn't there. I tend to believe that JS was told to do this, but after that, with some of the other women...well... I speculate that he went too far on his own accord.

[Mamabear]

Just an off the cuff question after reading these posts:

How do you know that JS was not commanded by God to take Fannie as a wife? Your comments have demonstrated that you know that he committed adultery out of lust. How do you know that?

If the tables were turned and it was Emma caught with a man in the barn what do you think that would be called? I refuse To believe in a God that not only condones but commands such gross sinful behavior that not only destroys a person but the family that we’re told we hold sacred. It’s not like they had condoms back then so how’d they keep STD’s from going around? Maybe that’s why lots of children weren’t the result of polygamous families. Any woman who says they’re ok and want to share their husband with countless other women are lying to themselves and are setting their children up for a very sad life. Regardless of the religion be it Mormonism or Muslims women are not happy. I’ve seen it with my own eyes in the Muslim communities, they’re the property of their husband and it’s despicable. If you’re a man and want that kind of relationship with multiple women then God help you and God help the women that are manipulated to be with you.

You don’t have to look very far to see the manipulation employed by Joseph smith. He brought multiple 16 year olds into his home as house keepers Fanny Alger being just the first. He married older women who served as facilitators to ease younger women into polygamy with Joseph and to make the unacceptable appear acceptable. The Nancy Rigdon proposal, her refusal and then the happiness letter Joseph sent to her to explain his behavior is yet another black spot on Christianity where Joseph writes that things that are sin are not sin if god gives you permission to sin. What a wreckless abandonment of Christianity in order to cover sin.

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