What will a $40 Trillion crash feel like?

[FrankOne]

What will a $40 Trillion crash feel like?
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for the far majority, it will be like riding in a train going 140mph plunging off a cliff.

for the few, peace. Simplicity.

get.out.of.the.cities.

Yes. God told me a few years ago "It will feel like you are leaving the Garden of Eden for the lone and dreary wilderness, but really you will be leaving Babylon for Zion."

I understood then what a blessing and peace we will find. We will have stronger relationships, better health, stronger faith. Great things are coming.

wow. thanks for sharing that.
that same message has been going out to many people. What I wrote was given to me as well. Very clearly. I pass it on now and again.

[JuneBug12000]

Yes. God told me a few years ago "It will feel like you are leaving the Garden of Eden for the lone and dreary wilderness, but really you will be leaving Babylon for Zion."

I understood then what a blessing and peace we will find. We will have stronger relationships, better health, stronger faith. Great things are coming.

Something to keep in mind with this type of plan. I am not trying to discourage anyone but keep this in the back of your mind. They want to destroy things everywhere so that it forces people to live in cities. Cities are easier for them to control.

If you don't think that they won't, read the news. How many trains have "crashed" and unleashed toxic spills in water etc. They don't actually care about our earth. It is one of God's creations anyway. Just be aware of your resources and plan backups.

Sadly, there is no way out for the majority of humanity. The only way out is the Savior and that is if they will turn to him. I feel like Christ will help during this adversity and that some people will survive in scattered pockets etc. Just a few thoughts. I know nothing.

I agree. That is why we came to the place we are, directed by God, and maybe temporary. But outside of the us department of transportations mega-regions boundaries. I hope it buys us time.

[FrankOne]

FrankOne noted:
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get.out.of.the.cities.
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From "The Prophecy"-
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Man will hide at first in the cities, but there he will die. A few will run to the wilderness, but the wilderness will destroy them, for they had long ago been given a choice. (They waited too late)

As he was told what all will be happening to man, Grandfather asks, "Is there then no hope?"
The child spoke again "There is only hope during the time of the first (famine & AIDS) and second signs (holes in the Sky aka ozone holes). Upon the 3rd sign, the night of the bleeding stars, there is no longer hope, for only the children of the Earth will survive. ... It will be the children of the Earth who will bring a new hope to the new society, living closer to the Earth and Spirit."
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Grandfather was shown & told of this in the 1920s, but told to Tom & Rick in 1962. Then Tom was shown that night exactly what was given to Grandfather 40 or so years before.

I first read that from nexus magazine way back when. Then i read the account inTom Brown's book . My recall is that Grandfather was more specific about people leaving at the right time and that they would find the way for the earth to protect them. Then...the others, waiting too long would find the doors closed.

I've heard that the period will be between 12 and 18 months following the sign. I've had some experiences in this regard and I've waited many years and likely many more to come.

ok, I looked up to see if I had a copy on my computer. Since this made such an impact on me when I first read it, I imagine it might be something of interest to others. I put one part in bold which relates to my comments above. May we all find the place of peace when the time comes. This all will happen.
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Grandfathers vision Tom Brown Jr.
The Four Signs

Grandfather had been wandering for several years and was well into his forties when the Vision of the four signs was given to him. He had just finished his third Vision Quest at the Eternal Cave when the Vision made itself known. He had been seated at the mouth of the cave, awaiting the rising Sun, when the spirit of the warrior appeared to him.

He felt as if he were in a state somewhere between dream and reality, sleep and wakefulness, until the spirit finally spoke and he knew that it was not his imagination. The spirit called Grandfather's name and beckoned him to follow.

As Grandfather stood, he was suddenly transported to another world. Again, he thought that he was dreaming, but his flesh could feel the reality of this place; his senses knew that this was a state of abject reality, but in another time and place.

The spirit warrior spoke to Grandfather.
"These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come if man does not come back to the Earth and begin to obey the laws of Creation and the Creator. There are four signs, four warnings, that only the children of the Earth will understand. Each warning marks the beginning of a possible future, and as each warning becomes reality, so too does the future it marks."
With that, the spirit warrior was gone and Grandfather was left alone in this strange, new world.

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The First Sign
The world he was in was like nothing he had ever known. It was a dry place with little vegetation. In the distance he saw a village, yet it was made out of tents and cloth rather than from the materials of the Earth. As he drew closer to the village, the stench of death overwhelmed him and he grew sick.

He could hear children crying, the moaning of elders and the sounds of sickness and despair. Piles of bodies lay in open pits awaiting burial, their contorted faces and frail frames telling of death from starvation. The bodies appeared more like skeletons than flesh, and children, adults and elders all looked the same, their once dark-brown complexions now ash-grey.

As Grandfather entered the village, the horror of living starvation struck him deeper. Children could barely walk, elders lay dying, and everywhere were the cries of pain and fear. The stench of death and the sense of hopelessness overwhelmed Grandfather, threatening to drive him from the village.

It was then that an elder appeared to Grandfather, at first speaking in a language that he could not understand. Grandfather realized, as the elder spoke, that he was the spirit of a man - a man no longer of flesh, but a man who had once walked a spiritual path, possibly a shaman of this tribe. It was then that he understood what the old one was trying to tell him.

The elder spoke softly.
"Welcome to what will be called the 'land of starvation'. The world will one day look upon all of this with horror and will blame the famine on the weather and the Earth. This will be the first warning to the world that man cannot live beyond the laws of Creation, nor can he fight Nature. If the world sees that it is to blame for this famine, this senseless starvation, then a great lesson will be learned.

But I am afraid that the world will not blame itself, but that the blame will be placed on Nature. The world will not see that it created this place of death by forcing these people to have larger families. When the natural laws of the land were broken, the people starved, as Nature starves the deer in winter when their numbers are too many for the land to bear."
The old one continued.
"These people should have been left alone. They once understood how to live with the Earth, and their wealth was measured in happiness, love and peace. But all of that was taken from them when the world saw theirs as a primitive society. It was then that the world showed them how to farm and live in a less primitive way. It was the world that forced them to live outside the laws of Creation and, as a result, is now forcing them to die."
The old man slowly began to walk away, back to the death and despair. He turned one last time to Grandfather, and said:
"This will be the first sign. There will come starvation before and after this starvation, but none will capture the attention of the world with such impact as does this one. The children of the Earth will know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, but the world will only see it as drought and famine, blaming Nature instead of itself."
With that, the old one disappeared, and Grandfather found himself back at the mouth of the Eternal Cave.

[Author's note: This is the great African famine that inspired the Bob Geldof "We are the World" Live Aid relief effort.]

Grandfather lay back on the ground, thinking about what he had witnessed. He knew that it had been a Vision of the possible future and that the spirit of the warrior had brought him to it to teach him what could happen. Grandfather knew that people all over the Earth were now starving-but why was this starvation so critical, so much more important than all the rest, even more important than the starvation that was taking place now?

It was then that Grandfather recalled that the tribal elder had said that the entire world would take notice, but that the world would not learn the lessons of what the death and famine were trying to teach. The children would die in vain.

Grandfather looked out across the barren land that surrounded the Eternal Cave to try to re-establish the reality of his 'now'. He said that it was still hard to discern between waking reality and the world of Vision, but he felt that he was back into his time and place.

He told me that the Eternal Cave was always a place to find Visions of the possible and probable futures, and it was not uncommon for the searcher to have a Vision at the mouth of the cave, not just inside.

In a state of physical and emotional exhaustion, Grandfather fell into a deep sleep, but it was in this sleep that the warrior spirit appeared to him again and brought the remainder of the first sign to completion.

In his dream, the spirit spoke to Grandfather.
"It is during the years of the famine, the first sign, that man will be plagued by a disease, a disease that will sweep the land and terrorize the masses. The white coats [doctors/scientists] will have no answers for the people, and a great cry will arise across the land. The disease will be born of monkeys, drugs and sex. It will destroy man from inside, making common sickness a killing disease.

Mankind will bring this disease upon himself as a result of his life, his worship of sex and drugs, and a life away from Nature. This, too, is a part of the first warning; but, again, man will not heed this warning and he will continue to worship the false gods of sex and the unconscious spirit of drugs."

[Author's note: This is presumably a reference to AIDS.]
The spirit continued.
"The drugs will produce wars in the cities of man, and the nations will arise against those wars, arise against that killing disease. But the nations will fight in the wrong way, lashing out at the effect rather than the cause. It will never win these wars until the nation, until society, changes its values and stops chasing the gods of sex and drugs. It is then, in the years of the first sign, that man can change the course of the probable future.

It is then that he may understand the greater lessons of the famine and the disease. It is then that there can still be hope. But once the second sign of destruction appears, the Earth can no longer be healed on a physical level. Only a spiritual healing can then change the course of the probable futures of mankind."
With that, the warrior spirit let Grandfather fall into a deep and dreamless sleep, allowing him to rest fully before any more Vision was wrought upon him.


The Second Sign
Grandfather awoke at the entrance of the cave once again, the memory of the warrior spirit still vivid in his mind, the spirit's words becoming part of his soul.

When Grandfather looked out across the landscape, all had changed. The landscape appeared drier; there was no vegetation to be seen, and animals lay dying. A great stench of death arose from the land, and the dust was thick and choking, the intense heat oppressive.

Looking skyward, the Sun seemed to be larger and more intense; no birds or clouds could be seen, and the air seemed thicker still. It was then that the sky seemed to surge and huge holes began to appear. The holes tore with a resounding, thunderous sound, and the very Earth, rocks and soil shook.

The skin of the sky seemed to be torn open like a series of gaping wounds, and through these wounds seeped a liquid that seemed like the oozing of an infection, a great sea of floating garbage, oil and dead fish. It was through one of these wounds that Grandfather saw the floating bodies of dolphins, accompanied by tremendous upheavals of the Earth and violent storms.

As he held fast to the trembling Earth, his eyes fell from the sky, and all about him, all at once, was disaster. Piles of garbage reached to the skies, forests lay cut and dying, coastlines were flooded and storms grew more violent and thunderous. With each passing moment, the Earth shook with greater intensity, threatening to tear apart and swallow Grandfather.

Suddenly the Earth stopped shaking and the sky cleared. Out of the dusty air walked the warrior spirit, who stopped a short distance from Grandfather. As Grandfather looked into the face of the spirit, he could see that there were great tears flowing from his eyes, and each tear fell to the Earth with a searing sound.

The spirit looked at Grandfather for a long moment, then finally spoke. "Holes in the sky."

Grandfather thought for a moment, then, in a questioning, disbelieving manner, said, "Holes in the sky?"

And the spirit answered.
"They will become the second sign of the destruction of man. The holes in the sky and all that you have seen could become man's reality. It is here, at the beginning of this second sign, that man can no longer heal the Earth with physical action. It is here that man must heed the warning and work harder to change the future at hand. But man must not only work physically, he must also work spiritually, through prayer, for only through prayer can man now hope to heal the Earth and himself."
There was a long pause as Grandfather thought about the impossibility of holes in the sky. Surely Grandfather knew that there could be a spiritual hole, but a hole that the societies of the Earth could notice would hardly seem likely.

The spirit drew closer and spoke again, almost in a whisper.
"These holes are a direct result of man's life, his travel, and of the sins of his grandfathers and grandmothers. These holes, the second sign, will mark the killing of his grandchildren and will become a legacy to man's life away from Nature.

It is the time of these holes that will mark a great transition in mankind's thinking. They will then be faced with a choice-a choice to continue following the path of destruction, or a choice to move back to the philosophy of the Earth and a simpler existence. It is here that the decision must be made, or all will be lost."
Without another word, the spirit turned and walked back into the dust.


The Third Sign
Grandfather spent the next four days at the cave entrance, though for those four days nothing spoke to him, not even the Earth. He said that it was a time of great sorrow, of aloneness, and a time to digest all that had taken place.

He knew that these things would not appear in his lifetime, but they had to be passed down to the people of the future with the same urgency and power with which they had been delivered to him. But he did not know how he would explain these unlikely events to anyone. Surely the elders and shamans of the tribes would understand, but not society, and certainly not anyone who was removed from the Earth and Spirit.

He sat for the full four days, unmoving, as if made of stone, and his heart felt heavy with the burden he now carried.

It was at the end of the fourth day that the third Vision came to him. As he gazed out onto the landscape towards the setting Sun, the sky suddenly turned to a liquid and then turned blood-red. As far as his eyes could see, the sky was solid red, with no variation in shadow, texture or light. The whole of Creation seemed to have grown still, as if awaiting some unseen command.

Time, place and destiny seemed to be in limbo, stilled by the bleeding sky. He gazed for a long time at the sky, in a state of awe and terror, for the red color of the sky was like nothing he had ever seen in any sunset or sunrise. The color was that of man, not of Nature, and it had a vile stench and texture. It seemed to burn the Earth wherever it touched. As sunset drifted to night, the stars shone bright red, the color never leaving the sky, and everywhere the cries of fear and pain were heard.

Again, the warrior spirit appeared to Grandfather, but this time as a voice from the sky. Like thunder, the voice shook the landscape.
"This, then, is the third sign, the night of the bleeding stars. It will become known throughout the world, for the sky in all lands will be red with the blood of the sky, day and night. It is then, with this sign of the third probable future, that there is no longer hope. Life on the Earth as man has lived it will come to an end, and there can be no turning back, physically or spiritually.

It is then, if things are not changed during the second sign, that man will surely know the destruction of the Earth is at hand. It is then that the children of the Earth must run to the wild places and hide. For when the sky bleeds fire, there will be no safety in the world of man."
Grandfather sat in shocked horror as the voice continued.
"From this time, when the stars bleed, to the fourth and final sign, will be four seasons of peace [that is, one year]. It is in these four seasons that the children of the Earth must live deep in the wild places and find a new home, close to the Earth and the Creator. It is only the children of the Earth that will survive, and they must live the philosophy of the Earth, never returning to the thinking of man.

And survival will not be enough, for the children of the Earth must also live close to the Spirit. So tell them not to hesitate if and when this third sign becomes manifest in the stars, for there are but four seasons to escape."
Grandfather said that the voice and red sky lingered for a week, and then were gone as quickly as they were manifest.


The Fourth Sign
He did not remember how many days he'd spent at the mouth of the cave, nor did it make a difference, for he had received the Vision he had come for.

It was in his final night at the Eternal Cave that the fourth Vision came to Grandfather, this time carried by the voice of a young child.

The child said,
"The fourth and final sign will appear through the next ten winters [that is, ten years] following the night that the stars will bleed. During this time, the Earth will heal itself and man will die. For those ten years, the children of the Earth must remain hidden in the wild places, make no permanent camps, and wander to avoid contact with the last remaining forces of man. They must remain hidden, like the ancient scouts, and fight the urge to go back to the destruction of man. Curiosity could kill many."
There was a long silence, until Grandfather spoke to the child spirit, asking, "And what will happen to the worlds of man?"

There was another period of silence until finally the child spoke again.
"There will be a great famine throughout the world, like man cannot imagine. Waters will run vile, the poisons of man's sins running strong in the waters of the soils, lakes and rivers. Crops will fail, the animals of man will die, and disease will kill the masses. The grandchildren will feed upon the remains of the dead, and all about will be the cries of pain and anguish.

Roving bands of men will hunt and kill other men for food, and water will always be scarce, getting scarcer with each passing year. The land, the water, the sky will all be poisoned, and man will live in the wrath of the Creator. Man will hide at first in the cities, but there he will die. A few will run to the wilderness, but the wilderness will destroy them, for they had long ago been given a choice. Man will be destroyed, his cities in ruin, and it is then that the grandchildren will pay for the sins of their grandfathers and grandmothers."
"Is there then no hope?" Grandfather asked.

The child spoke again.
"There is only hope during the time of the first and second signs. Upon the third sign, the night of the bleeding, there is no longer hope, for only the children of the Earth will survive. Man will be given these warnings; if unheeded, there can be no hope, for only the children of the Earth will purge themselves of the cancers of mankind, of mankind's destructive thinking. It will be the children of the Earth who will bring a new hope to the new society, living closer to the Earth and Spirit."
Then all was silent, the landscape cleared and returned to normal, and Grandfather stepped from the Vision. Shaken, he said that he had wandered for the next season, trying to understand all that had been given to him, trying to understand why he had been chosen.

[Ymarsakar]

The qabal knows those 4 visions as well. They have underground bunker cities to rjde out the great burning.

This fate was canceled on 2012. Likely the great burning would have begun without a last reprieve. Aka the 3rd sign.

This is also qhy qabal ensured the kids were shot. They dont want some wild remnant left on the surface. They plan to ride it out with their minions and then repopulate the earth after the fallout clears.

What they did not expect was the new souls. They had already fixed the issues mankind could not.

People talk about the harmonic convergence. That was likely the point when the decision was made that humanity qualified for salvation.

[FrankOne]

The qabal knows those 4 visions as well. They have underground bunker cities to rjde out the great burning.

This fate was canceled on 2012. Likely the great burning would have begun without a last reprieve. Aka the 3rd sign.

This is also qhy qabal ensured the kids were shot. They dont want some wild remnant left on the surface. They plan to ride it out with their minions and then repopulate the earth after the fallout clears.

What they did not expect was the new souls. They had already fixed the issues mankind could not.

People talk about the harmonic convergence. That was likely the point when the decision was made that humanity qualified for salvation.

Yes. They are very well aware of it. Of that, I have no doubt. Those cities exist, not to mention all fhe DUMBS. Deep underground military bases. Some a mile deep!

I would guess that the ground moving will turn their fortresses into tombs.

One added note is that Grandfather saw only one solution to surviving what it to come. The D&C has a scripture where the saints are 'caught up in the clouds' . I speculate that there will be three ways to survive.

1-Spaceships from an ET race - Greys. (A very bad choice imo)
2-Jehovah in the clouds- beam me up Scotty!
3- The earth. Not many understand this path but no worries, God is in control . Everyone goes to the place which fits them.

[Dusty Wanderer]

FrankOne noted:
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This is true. As Sun Bear & Wabun Wind state that the cities will become death traps in their book- 'Black Dawn, Bright Day' 1990 PB (Bear Tribe Publishing) or 1992 Fireside/Simon & Schuster) PB. Sun Bear also notes that you speak of 7.0 & 8.0 earthquakes, but the Spirit has told him, there will be 10.0 & 12.0 quakes. Page 57 in either edition.

As well as Brigham Young & Orson Pratt's prophecies found on pp. 168-169 of J.R. Jochmans' 'Rolling Thunder: The Coming Earth Changes' 1980/13th print 1989 PB.

And "Grandfather"'s (Stalking Wolf's) prophecies, who taught two boys Tom & Rick his vast knowledge & wisdom. See Tom Brown, jr.'s book- 'The Quest'.

Think of this scenario. Let's say you have an apartment in the big city. Chaos ensues. Most will try to stay & protect their goods & become trapped. Those that decide to leave a little later, may not make it out of the city alive. Choose wisely, but early. Wait & it will be too late.

As I have stated, the comet arrives soon, but Phobos arrives sooner. Expect the skimming of Phobos across the Earth's skies in 2025 & Mars becoming brighter red, which is "The Night of the Bleeding Stars" (one of the prophecies shown & told to Stalking Wolf, but was not shared with as to how it would manifest), or 2028, therefore the Comet will arrive the next year in 2026 or 2029. According to Stalking Wolf (Grandfather), from The Night of the Bleeding Stars (the 3rd of the 4 part Prophecy) you have 4 seasons, or one year to flee. And it will be at least 10 years before things settle down. See 'The Quest' Chapter One- "The Prophecy". Here in the past month, my bet on the Comet (Blue Star Kachina of the Hopi's 9th & Final sign before the Great Purification) was out of two possibilities- a year ending with 6 or 9, was 2026. But I missed the one where Nostradamus shared that the pole shift occurred in 2029, which means the comet impacted which triggered the pole shift. As I shared, it (the greater changes) begins before this decade ends.

From "The Prophecy"-
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Man will hide at first in the cities, but there he will die. A few will run to the wilderness, but the wilderness will destroy them, for they had long ago been given a choice. (They waited too late)

As he was told what all will be happening to man, Grandfather asks, "Is there then no hope?"
The child spoke again "There is only hope during the time of the first (famine & AIDS) and second signs (holes in the Sky aka ozone holes). Upon the 3rd sign, the night of the bleeding stars, there is no longer hope, for only the children of the Earth will survive. ... It will be the children of the Earth who will bring a new hope to the new society, living closer to the Earth and Spirit."
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Grandfather was shown & told of this in the 1920s, but told to Tom & Rick in 1962. Then Tom was shown that night exactly what was given to Grandfather 40 or so years before.

What is your take on why it would be too late if you wait too long into that year? Is it because your time to build a shelter and establish crops, storage, etc has passed? Or something else?

[BeNotDeceived]

It may be years before the big change of 2025 to 2028.

But we will see precursors.

Many are feeling the signs via their seer dreams visions and psi skills

Be patient and pray. (I believe you are)

We have been led to a place comparable to Lehi's tent in the wilderness.

It is not what I expected, but the longer we are here the more like-minded people we find.

I don't know how long we will be here, but the Lord has assured me we are safe here for now.

Do tell, why 2025-28? I love a direct story with facts.

About a half hour of silence in heaven is due to end as soon as 2025. Search 38ii, 57ii and ASHH for pertinent facts.

[Original_Intent]

Alot of Indian prophecy I have read reminds me of the George Albert Smith prophecy - I think it will all come to pass, although the Hopi prophecies and this one also (was Grandfather Hopi?) always seems like there are optional paths up to a point.

[FrankOne]

FrankOne noted:
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get.out.of.the.cities.
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This is true. As Sun Bear & Wabun Wind state that the cities will become death traps in their book- 'Black Dawn, Bright Day' 1990 PB (Bear Tribe Publishing) or 1992 Fireside/Simon & Schuster) PB. Sun Bear also notes that you speak of 7.0 & 8.0 earthquakes, but the Spirit has told him, there will be 10.0 & 12.0 quakes. Page 57 in either edition.

As well as Brigham Young & Orson Pratt's prophecies found on pp. 168-169 of J.R. Jochmans' 'Rolling Thunder: The Coming Earth Changes' 1980/13th print 1989 PB.

And "Grandfather"'s (Stalking Wolf's) prophecies, who taught two boys Tom & Rick his vast knowledge & wisdom. See Tom Brown, jr.'s book- 'The Quest'.

Think of this scenario. Let's say you have an apartment in the big city. Chaos ensues. Most will try to stay & protect their goods & become trapped. Those that decide to leave a little later, may not make it out of the city alive. Choose wisely, but early. Wait & it will be too late.

As I have stated, the comet arrives soon, but Phobos arrives sooner. Expect the skimming of Phobos across the Earth's skies in 2025 & Mars becoming brighter red, which is "The Night of the Bleeding Stars" (one of the prophecies shown & told to Stalking Wolf, but was not shared with as to how it would manifest), or 2028, therefore the Comet will arrive the next year in 2026 or 2029. According to Stalking Wolf (Grandfather), from The Night of the Bleeding Stars (the 3rd of the 4 part Prophecy) you have 4 seasons, or one year to flee. And it will be at least 10 years before things settle down. See 'The Quest' Chapter One- "The Prophecy". Here in the past month, my bet on the Comet (Blue Star Kachina of the Hopi's 9th & Final sign before the Great Purification) was out of two possibilities- a year ending with 6 or 9, was 2026. But I missed the one where Nostradamus shared that the pole shift occurred in 2029, which means the comet impacted which triggered the pole shift. As I shared, it (the greater changes) begins before this decade ends.

From "The Prophecy"-
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Man will hide at first in the cities, but there he will die. A few will run to the wilderness, but the wilderness will destroy them, for they had long ago been given a choice. (They waited too late)

As he was told what all will be happening to man, Grandfather asks, "Is there then no hope?"
The child spoke again "There is only hope during the time of the first (famine & AIDS) and second signs (holes in the Sky aka ozone holes). Upon the 3rd sign, the night of the bleeding stars, there is no longer hope, for only the children of the Earth will survive. ... It will be the children of the Earth who will bring a new hope to the new society, living closer to the Earth and Spirit."
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Grandfather was shown & told of this in the 1920s, but told to Tom & Rick in 1962. Then Tom was shown that night exactly what was given to Grandfather 40 or so years before.

What is your take on why it would be too late if you wait too long into that year? Is it because your time to build a shelter and establish crops, storage, etc has passed? Or something else?

if no one minds, I would like to answer that as well. As I posted above, this subject has intrigued me for a very long time as it also relates to my own personal experiences.

It is my conclusion, although not definitive, that the destinations for those leaving are very unique and will become hidden after a certain time. I would think that those that leave at the right time will be those that are lead out by God. In my long post above, he says that after the bleeding stars, there will be a year of peace... so ...things will get better and people may think the hard times are over. quote from my post above:

"From this time, when the stars bleed, to the fourth and final sign, will be four seasons of peace"

It would take an odd person to leave in a time of peace and prosperity. So.. those that leave after things get terrible will do so out of fear which contrasts those that left during prosperity out of faith. Perhaps the bleeding stars event is the end of a long period of tribulation with that respit lasting one year.

this vision is very important , but I can't be certain of my conclusions.

[Lynn]

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What is your take on why it would be too late if you wait too long into that year? Is it because your time to build a shelter and establish crops, storage, etc has passed? Or something else?
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As to Grandfather's 4 part prophecies, the final two- The Night of the Bleeding Stars, a 1 year span, then 10 years of whatnot.

A close friends told me about Grandfather & this 4 part prophecy & loaned me his copy of 'The Quest' to read & touch base as to what I thought. Whew! All I can say, is that Tom had a way of presenting Grandfather (Stalking Wolf) to where I had vivid imagery, more so than many other things IO have read & encountered in my almost 40 years of trying to assemble the puzzle in a manner of detective work, like the Hardy Boys mysteries. I have even refrained from using my peepstone I was directed to get on Tower Hill at Adam-ondi-Ahman, as well as refraining to use my constructed Enochian Scrying Mirror. This mirror is said to be the most powerful of any kind. I have used it to invoke dreams, which I must say, are more real than everyday physical life, but I have not used it in this particular research of the NAME, the ancient records, or how the events occur in the days ahead. I have done it the old fashioned way, just to see if I could regather the puzzle pieces & get the fuller picture.

Here is what I have seen/gathered. Several futurists see problems with Mars, such as Paul Solomon, Gordon-Michael Scallion, and Aron Abrahamsen. It was only after looking at all 3 and a few more, that I finally saw the pattern. Without going into the details of Mars in the past, as to how ancient some were there, or how it arrived at its current spot in our solar system, it is apparent that Mars becomes unstable. When it does, two things will happen. It will become brighter red. Due to its relation to us, it will affect us. Especially since Phobos (meaning terror, dread, and so on) will break free. This odd moon will head for Earth. However, it will not impact the planet we reside on. But, it will skim the atmosphere so much that the reddish burn trail, will, along with the brighter red Mars, make our heavens appear as if the stars are bleeding red, and perhaps the moon, and maybe the sun too, as to appearances. Supposedly all will be able to see this experience. Once the Night of the Bleeding Stars takes place, you have one year, but whether you wish to call it peace or preparation, you had best realize that this is not a drill, this is a reality check. You have been given a chance to survive or not. of what is coming.

Now, Grandfather searched far & wide, perhaps twice into the Arctic as well as South America gathering knowledge & wisdom from all, including the white man. But, he was directed in the 1960s to teach two young lads in the USA in New Jersey. The reason he was there in that area, was that Rick was his grandson. Tom was not. Yet he foretold of their future. He would move on, as well as Rick. But Tom, was to take all he was given or shared by Grandfather & present it to the world. It was like handing the torch to another to pick up in the race to the finish line. So, the power of place comes to focus here.

This 4 seasons of peace can also be interpreted as to inner peace. Sometimes, you must forget about the outer world & seek the Inner or the Spirit into where you are directed to be. When grandfather says run to the depths of the wilderness, he is saying simply you must flee from your bigger congregations of people as soon they will only seek to survive. I also see flee to higher ground. Interestingly, New Jersey is to be underwater in the future.

From what I have gathered the Bleeding Stars will be in 2025 or 2028, probably the summer. In the Spring of 2026 or 2029, the Comet will be sighted. That very day, the final Pope of the Catholic Church will be brutally massacred in northern Italy. When the comet arrives, I see it running across the top of the USA going east to west, perhaps taking a dive at an angle from the Atlantic. It is possible it will be a lower trajectory over the Pacific & fly over Japan & southern India. I'll touch on that in a second.

In the 1996 NBC TV special "Ancient Prophecies 3" Josep Terelya shares about problems in California. It was later, that I found elsewhere, not in his book, that this was due to a comet causing it. When asked, he said he did not see it impacting. The reason is simple. He was only shown the first pass.

I think that the pattern of 5 found by Jeffrey Goodman in 'We Are the Earthquake Generation' pinpoints a significant sequence of quake and/or volcanic pattern. India gets hit by tidal waves & quakes (December 2004 was a warning), most of Japan goes under the sea due to quakes (recall the recent big quake which messed up some reactors), then Mount Vesuvius erupts, followed by Mt. Pele in Martinique erupts, then we get to California's quakes & the Big one finally. Similar patterns have previous come from the Edgar Cayce Readings. So it is not like the ONE has not given out warnings beforehand. Nostradamus also shared that many of these earth changes would be occurring or starting in the spring (as for this, I say 2026 or 2029). He shared this in his Epistle to (King) Henry II, found on pp. 62-63 of Charles (Chas) A. Ward's 'Oracles of Nostradamus' (1940/HB reprint w/Bookjacket). It speaks of precursors before the pole shift, in the Spring. The pole shift is noted to occur in October, yet depending upon translation or interpretation, it seems Octo is eight, so it looks to be August, instead of October to me.

So, the comet (Blue Star Kachina) somehow makes its first pass & cruises on. but it returns in a few months, for its impact. The Blue Star Kachina is the 9th and final Hopi prophecy before the Great Purification Hopi, in which this dwelling house crashes into the Earth. It is a Blue Star, as the Comet will give off a blue tint. Kachina means it is angel or spirit filled. In other words, it was divinely directed. In its pass to impact, it will pass over France, then Italy, and burn Rome, the city of the 7 Hills, before plunging into the Aegean Sea off Greece & Turkey. Interestingly, there is the Greek Mythology characters & story of Persus & Andromeda. The fact that the comet impacts here, is very significant. Perseus frees Andromeda who had been bound. This is reflected in that Mu or Lemuria was ruled by the Female, then Atlantis continuing to this point (our era) was ruled by the Male, and with their marriage, now Male & Female will be equal in the Golden Age ahead.

Now the other interesting thing, is the comet's impact affects the Earth's rotation, just as Nostradamus notes in the Epistle to Henri II (but he does not mention the comet here). Herein lies the pole shift. Polaris has already drifted some as to being our current pole star. Guess what star will be our next one? It is the dual stars of Perseus & Andromeda. Another name for these two in mythology, is they are the two Phoenixes, Hermes & Iris, the Divine Angeloi. It seems slightly before the comet/pole shift, Hermes enters the Great Pyramid to check his instrument & star charts which determines that the pole shift is immanent (about to occur).

I might add that after the Comet & pole shift, southern Europe will be very weak, and Nostradamus's 3rd anti-christ finally surfaces as to his dark side. He is referred to as the Perse (coming from Persia) & the one who wears a Blue Turban. But he won't really wear that, it is a metaphor that he will use the blue comet to "shroud" or "conceal" his attack. He will have a 7 to 10 year run.

So as you can see, if you really want to piddle around in the time after the Night of the Bleeding Stars, you might just get caught in some of the turbulence before that one year expires. Now it is possible that the Night of the Bleeding Stars could occur in the Spring of 2025 or 2028, which would be a year before the first run of the comet.


I leaned more towards the 2025/2026 timeline, but a month ago, I found that Nostradamus stated it was 2029 as to the pole shift. I failed to mark that some 30 years ago. So it is looking like 2028/2029

Next item ...
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(was Grandfather Hopi?)
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Grandfather was born in the l880s/1890s, as Tom notes he was in his 40s in the 1920s. He was Apache. He was called Stalking Wolf, because he could come upon a wolf & touch it, before they were aware of him. He was referred to as "Grandfather" by the elders of his tribe, for his knowledge & wisdom far surpassed theirs. He was in his late teens or early 20s. They finally bade him to go find out what he was to find.

I believe it is the book by Tome Brown, jr. titled 'Grandfather' that Stalking Wolf shares of his deepest respect concerning Jesus. In fact, there is a whole chapter on that. I don't have my copy here in the library to be absolutely sure.

Time to get some sleep here.

[Ymarsakar]

To clarify, my dates of 2025 or 2028 is not based on lynn s sources or connections. My own intuition works on a different level using a different network. That they happen to coincide is interesting.

I do not believe in predetermined destinies. Certain timelines have narration arcs yes. There js a pattern. But mortals make their own future and present. Not even satans can stop that.

[Ymarsakar]

The majority of humanity will be mostly ok until 2028

They did not make war on federation

Yes. God told me a few years ago "It will feel like you are leaving the Garden of Eden for the lone and dreary wilderness, but really you will be leaving Babylon for Zion."

I understood then what a blessing and peace we will find. We will have stronger relationships, better health, stronger faith. Great things are coming.

Something to keep in mind with this type of plan. I am not trying to discourage anyone but keep this in the back of your mind. They want to destroy things everywhere so that it forces people to live in cities. Cities are easier for them to control.

If you don't think that they won't, read the news. How many trains have "crashed" and unleashed toxic spills in water etc. They don't actually care about our earth. It is one of God's creations anyway. Just be aware of your resources and plan backups.

Sadly, there is no way out for the majority of humanity. The only way out is the Savior and that is if they will turn to him. I feel like Christ will help during this adversity and that some people will survive in scattered pockets etc. Just a few thoughts. I know nothing.

[Dusty Wanderer]

Alot of Indian prophecy I have read reminds me of the George Albert Smith prophecy - I think it will all come to pass, although the Hopi prophecies and this one also (was Grandfather Hopi?) always seems like there are optional paths up to a point.

I think Grandfather was an Apache (scout).

[creator]

Cruiser ville

Cruiserville, the New City of Enoch

[mudflap]

Speculation regarding a Fed pivot has many predicting severe problems within a couple months, either way. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

As of early 2023, unrealized losses attributable to U.S. banks' HMS and AFS securities portfolio have exploded to $650 billion.

Powell has made it clear that he doesn’t yet see a reason to cut rates since he wants to beat back inflation. (If you want to be cynical about it, a massive recession would probably bring prices down, but that’s not a very desirable outcome.) If he sticks with this, he still has plenty of ways to keep the economy from imploding, but he’ll have to go into uncharted territory.

---https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05 ... p-now.html

Anyone feeling prophetic?
Would the media tell us if a crash was imminent?
How long is a "no debt ceiling" sustainable?
Or is it "not to worry," all is well in Zion?

I can't wrap my head around what this means, Fred. I don't think anyone can.

Here's what I know (speaking of "knowing things" on that other thread):

- I know that if you had been alive in 1920-1930, listening to GC, waiting for someone to say "be prepared" before the 1929 crash, you would have waited in vain. I know this because I've read every conference talk from 1918 - 1935, and it never came up.
- There was one year (maybe 1922-ish) where the church warned members about "speculation" (basically gambling in the stock market - like what folks do today), but that's about it.
- There was also no warning about the Spanish Flu pandemic in the 19-teens.

So if someone is expecting to get their warnings from GC about "the next big thing", prepare for disappointment, because there was only just that one little bitty talk by GBH back in 2000 about getting out of debt, and paying off your house, and such, and it's been over 20 years since then. Y'all heeded the prophet and got out of debt way back then, right?

Well, I didn't. But I tried. Then I got divorced, through no fault of my own (yes, really), and as is the case with most divorces, it took me 15 years to get back on my feet. Which brings us to this year, incidentally, where we are finally at the cusp of debt-free home ownership, but only because we built the darn thing ourselves, paying as we went.

I strongly feel like we will move in by the skin of our teeth, just ahead of the next big thing. Don't know what it is, but we both feel like it is coming. Could happen this year. October is a good month for disasters in the economy, if I had to guess.

But I've been wrong many times before. Maybe nothing will happen.

[Fred]

Speculation regarding a Fed pivot has many predicting severe problems within a couple months, either way. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

As of early 2023, unrealized losses attributable to U.S. banks' HMS and AFS securities portfolio have exploded to $650 billion.

Powell has made it clear that he doesn’t yet see a reason to cut rates since he wants to beat back inflation. (If you want to be cynical about it, a massive recession would probably bring prices down, but that’s not a very desirable outcome.) If he sticks with this, he still has plenty of ways to keep the economy from imploding, but he’ll have to go into uncharted territory.

---https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05 ... p-now.html

Anyone feeling prophetic?
Would the media tell us if a crash was imminent?
How long is a "no debt ceiling" sustainable?
Or is it "not to worry," all is well in Zion?

I can't wrap my head around what this means, Fred. I don't think anyone can.

Here's what I know (speaking of "knowing things" on that other thread):

- I know that if you had been alive in 1920-1930, listening to GC, waiting for someone to say "be prepared" before the 1929 crash, you would have waited in vain. I know this because I've read every conference talk from 1918 - 1935, and it never came up.
- There was one year (maybe 1922-ish) where the church warned members about "speculation" (basically gambling in the stock market - like what folks do today), but that's about it.
- There was also no warning about the Spanish Flu pandemic in the 19-teens.

So if someone is expecting to get their warnings from GC about "the next big thing", prepare for disappointment, because there was only just that one little bitty talk by GBH back in 2000 about getting out of debt, and paying off your house, and such, and it's been over 20 years since then. Y'all heeded the prophet and got out of debt way back then, right?

Well, I didn't. But I tried. Then I got divorced, through no fault of my own (yes, really), and as is the case with most divorces, it took me 15 years to get back on my feet. Which brings us to this year, incidentally, where we are finally at the cusp of debt-free home ownership, but only because we built the darn thing ourselves, paying as we went.

I strongly feel like we will move in by the skin of our teeth, just ahead of the next big thing. Don't know what it is, but we both feel like it is coming. Could happen this year. October is a good month for disasters in the economy, if I had to guess.

But I've been wrong many times before. Maybe nothing will happen.

I can relate. I lost my house and business in 2009. I had enough time to buy some land on a mountain over looking a lake. I bought some extra camping gear and brought my wife and daughter to our new home. No buildings. It was a real nice tent though. My wife said "nope." She left me the kid and left forever. She got a check for $20 grand when her dad died, so she wasn't about to live in a tent. Starting with just dirt and trees takes a while. But I knew I was doing the right thing. The kid graduated from school and we are still here. We no longer live in a tent and can live well over a year without going to the store if we need to.

Things were a little rougher than I would have liked, but I'm glad it is behind me instead of having to do it now.

People leaving the city now will need more money and may not have the time that I had to get things ready. Course if they sell their half million dollar home and come to the country with a boat load of cash, things will be considerably easier. When things crash, people might lose their half million dollar home and their half million in toys. It will be a sad day for some.

[Ymarsakar]

Cruiser ville

Cruiserville, the New City of Enoch

Atlantis Rising.

[Cruiserdude]

Cruiser ville

Cruiserville, the New City of Enoch

Cruiserville is actually kinda cool lol
Land Cruiser ownership required to claim residence

[FrankOne]

Speculation regarding a Fed pivot has many predicting severe problems within a couple months, either way. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

As of early 2023, unrealized losses attributable to U.S. banks' HMS and AFS securities portfolio have exploded to $650 billion.



---https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05 ... p-now.html

Anyone feeling prophetic?
Would the media tell us if a crash was imminent?
How long is a "no debt ceiling" sustainable?
Or is it "not to worry," all is well in Zion?

I can't wrap my head around what this means, Fred. I don't think anyone can.

Here's what I know (speaking of "knowing things" on that other thread):

- I know that if you had been alive in 1920-1930, listening to GC, waiting for someone to say "be prepared" before the 1929 crash, you would have waited in vain. I know this because I've read every conference talk from 1918 - 1935, and it never came up.
- There was one year (maybe 1922-ish) where the church warned members about "speculation" (basically gambling in the stock market - like what folks do today), but that's about it.
- There was also no warning about the Spanish Flu pandemic in the 19-teens.

So if someone is expecting to get their warnings from GC about "the next big thing", prepare for disappointment, because there was only just that one little bitty talk by GBH back in 2000 about getting out of debt, and paying off your house, and such, and it's been over 20 years since then. Y'all heeded the prophet and got out of debt way back then, right?

Well, I didn't. But I tried. Then I got divorced, through no fault of my own (yes, really), and as is the case with most divorces, it took me 15 years to get back on my feet. Which brings us to this year, incidentally, where we are finally at the cusp of debt-free home ownership, but only because we built the darn thing ourselves, paying as we went.

I strongly feel like we will move in by the skin of our teeth, just ahead of the next big thing. Don't know what it is, but we both feel like it is coming. Could happen this year. October is a good month for disasters in the economy, if I had to guess.

But I've been wrong many times before. Maybe nothing will happen.

I can relate. I lost my house and business in 2009. I had enough time to buy some land on a mountain over looking a lake. I bought some extra camping gear and brought my wife and daughter to our new home. No buildings. It was a real nice tent though. My wife said "nope." She left me the kid and left forever. She got a check for $20 grand when her dad died, so she wasn't about to live in a tent. Starting with just dirt and trees takes a while. But I knew I was doing the right thing. The kid graduated from school and we are still here. We no longer live in a tent and can live well over a year without going to the store if we need to.

Things were a little rougher than I would have liked, but I'm glad it is behind me instead of having to do it now.

People leaving the city now will need more money and may not have the time that I had to get things ready. Course if they sell their half million dollar home and come to the country with a boat load of cash, things will be considerably easier. When things crash, people might lose their half million dollar home and their half million in toys. It will be a sad day for some.

I love reading stories like yours , Fred. You took the deep dive and never looked back. The vast majority of people say "I can't leave" with the translation being "It's too hard, I don't trust God to guide me".

Even moving to a small town and finding an online job is too much for most. The cities give a feeling of security and strength on a subliminal level. Not to mention the ease of a variety of jobs, restaurants, entertainment etc. Big changes are very difficult.

[FrankOne]

Cruiser ville

Cruiserville, the New City of Enoch

Cruiserville is actually kinda cool lol
Land Cruiser ownership required to claim residence

when I first got into four wheelin, I got a willys jeep when I was 14. Drove it around the deserts in Vegas out of my backyard...it was a blast. Then into race cars for a few years. then into VW bajas, jacked up full race. Then.. the choice was to slow down with a good 4x4. I looked at the old land cruisers, they couldn't do freeway speeds and rode like a pallet of bricks! (this was before the new ones came out). So I got into the classic broncos 66-77. I bought up a bunch of them , i think 5 total and built one from frame up restoration. 351, toploader 4 speed, lockers ...all that. Long story is now I drive an 03 dodge 3/4 diesel. Luv it. I guess I felt like telling my story....haha. It's a slow morning.

I've never been in the new style landcruisers, but they look like they'd ride well and are great off roaders.

I guess I won't be doing the treck to cruiserville. I can't get the recommend. I'm unworthy.

[Ymarsakar]

Russian land cruiser

https://wiki.warthunder.com/T-35

Cruiserville, the New City of Enoch

Cruiserville is actually kinda cool lol
Land Cruiser ownership required to claim residence

when I first got into four wheelin, I got a willys jeep when I was 14. Drove it around the deserts in Vegas out of my backyard...it was a blast. Then into race cars for a few years. then into VW bajas, jacked up full race. Then.. the choice was to slow down with a good 4x4. I looked at the old land cruisers, they couldn't do freeway speeds and rode like a pallet of bricks! (this was before the new ones came out). So I got into the classic broncos 66-77. I bought up a bunch of them , i think 5 total and built one from frame up restoration. 351, toploader 4 speed, lockers ...all that. Long story is now I drive an 03 dodge 3/4 diesel. Luv it. I guess I felt like telling my story....haha. It's a slow morning.

I've never been in the new style landcruisers, but they look like they'd ride well and are great off roaders.

I guess I won't be doing the treck to cruiserville. I can't get the recommend. I'm unworthy.

[Cruiserdude]

Cruiserville, the New City of Enoch

Cruiserville is actually kinda cool lol
Land Cruiser ownership required to claim residence

when I first got into four wheelin, I got a willys jeep when I was 14. Drove it around the deserts in Vegas out of my backyard...it was a blast. Then into race cars for a few years. then into VW bajas, jacked up full race. Then.. the choice was to slow down with a good 4x4. I looked at the old land cruisers, they couldn't do freeway speeds and rode like a pallet of bricks! (this was before the new ones came out). So I got into the classic broncos 66-77. I bought up a bunch of them , i think 5 total and built one from frame up restoration. 351, toploader 4 speed, lockers ...all that. Long story is now I drive an 03 dodge 3/4 diesel. Luv it. I guess I felt like telling my story....haha. It's a slow morning.

I've never been in the new style landcruisers, but they look like they'd ride well and are great off roaders.

I guess I won't be doing the treck to cruiserville. I can't get the recommend. I'm unworthy.

Hahahaha great story! I love people's history and stories!.... I have a hard time thinking ALL will understand and appreciate what the Land Cruiser offers us, so as long as you've turned a wrench, and aren't scared to continue to turn one, you'll be more than welcome ;D.....
If you're a producer, you'll be welcome in Cruiserville.
If you're mostly a consumer.... Well, that's okay we all need to repent

[Ado]

Speculation regarding a Fed pivot has many predicting severe problems within a couple months, either way. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

As of early 2023, unrealized losses attributable to U.S. banks' HMS and AFS securities portfolio have exploded to $650 billion.



---https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05 ... p-now.html

Anyone feeling prophetic?
Would the media tell us if a crash was imminent?
How long is a "no debt ceiling" sustainable?
Or is it "not to worry," all is well in Zion?

I can't wrap my head around what this means, Fred. I don't think anyone can.

Here's what I know (speaking of "knowing things" on that other thread):

- I know that if you had been alive in 1920-1930, listening to GC, waiting for someone to say "be prepared" before the 1929 crash, you would have waited in vain. I know this because I've read every conference talk from 1918 - 1935, and it never came up.
- There was one year (maybe 1922-ish) where the church warned members about "speculation" (basically gambling in the stock market - like what folks do today), but that's about it.
- There was also no warning about the Spanish Flu pandemic in the 19-teens.

So if someone is expecting to get their warnings from GC about "the next big thing", prepare for disappointment, because there was only just that one little bitty talk by GBH back in 2000 about getting out of debt, and paying off your house, and such, and it's been over 20 years since then. Y'all heeded the prophet and got out of debt way back then, right?

Well, I didn't. But I tried. Then I got divorced, through no fault of my own (yes, really), and as is the case with most divorces, it took me 15 years to get back on my feet. Which brings us to this year, incidentally, where we are finally at the cusp of debt-free home ownership, but only because we built the darn thing ourselves, paying as we went.

I strongly feel like we will move in by the skin of our teeth, just ahead of the next big thing. Don't know what it is, but we both feel like it is coming. Could happen this year. October is a good month for disasters in the economy, if I had to guess.

But I've been wrong many times before. Maybe nothing will happen.

I can relate. I lost my house and business in 2009. I had enough time to buy some land on a mountain over looking a lake. I bought some extra camping gear and brought my wife and daughter to our new home. No buildings. It was a real nice tent though. My wife said "nope." She left me the kid and left forever. She got a check for $20 grand when her dad died, so she wasn't about to live in a tent. Starting with just dirt and trees takes a while. But I knew I was doing the right thing. The kid graduated from school and we are still here. We no longer live in a tent and can live well over a year without going to the store if we need to.

Things were a little rougher than I would have liked, but I'm glad it is behind me instead of having to do it now.

People leaving the city now will need more money and may not have the time that I had to get things ready. Course if they sell their half million dollar home and come to the country with a boat load of cash, things will be considerably easier. When things crash, people might lose their half million dollar home and their half million in toys. It will be a sad day for some.

Your wife left you and her own kid? Yikes. Sounds to me like what you went through losing your home and business turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

[FrankOne]

Cruiserville is actually kinda cool lol
Land Cruiser ownership required to claim residence

when I first got into four wheelin, I got a willys jeep when I was 14. Drove it around the deserts in Vegas out of my backyard...it was a blast. Then into race cars for a few years. then into VW bajas, jacked up full race. Then.. the choice was to slow down with a good 4x4. I looked at the old land cruisers, they couldn't do freeway speeds and rode like a pallet of bricks! (this was before the new ones came out). So I got into the classic broncos 66-77. I bought up a bunch of them , i think 5 total and built one from frame up restoration. 351, toploader 4 speed, lockers ...all that. Long story is now I drive an 03 dodge 3/4 diesel. Luv it. I guess I felt like telling my story....haha. It's a slow morning.

I've never been in the new style landcruisers, but they look like they'd ride well and are great off roaders.

I guess I won't be doing the treck to cruiserville. I can't get the recommend. I'm unworthy.

Hahahaha great story! I love people's history and stories!.... I have a hard time thinking ALL will understand and appreciate what the Land Cruiser offers us, so as long as you've turned a wrench, and aren't scared to continue to turn one, you'll be more than welcome ;D.....
If you're a producer, you'll be welcome in Cruiserville.
If you're mostly a consumer.... Well, that's okay we all need to repent

i'm one of those with the hat that says "get-er done".

but... i'll likely hang out here and see if this place makes it thru the storm. Thanks for the welcome, though .

[Fred]

I can't wrap my head around what this means, Fred. I don't think anyone can.

Here's what I know (speaking of "knowing things" on that other thread):

- I know that if you had been alive in 1920-1930, listening to GC, waiting for someone to say "be prepared" before the 1929 crash, you would have waited in vain. I know this because I've read every conference talk from 1918 - 1935, and it never came up.
- There was one year (maybe 1922-ish) where the church warned members about "speculation" (basically gambling in the stock market - like what folks do today), but that's about it.
- There was also no warning about the Spanish Flu pandemic in the 19-teens.

So if someone is expecting to get their warnings from GC about "the next big thing", prepare for disappointment, because there was only just that one little bitty talk by GBH back in 2000 about getting out of debt, and paying off your house, and such, and it's been over 20 years since then. Y'all heeded the prophet and got out of debt way back then, right?

Well, I didn't. But I tried. Then I got divorced, through no fault of my own (yes, really), and as is the case with most divorces, it took me 15 years to get back on my feet. Which brings us to this year, incidentally, where we are finally at the cusp of debt-free home ownership, but only because we built the darn thing ourselves, paying as we went.

I strongly feel like we will move in by the skin of our teeth, just ahead of the next big thing. Don't know what it is, but we both feel like it is coming. Could happen this year. October is a good month for disasters in the economy, if I had to guess.

But I've been wrong many times before. Maybe nothing will happen.

I can relate. I lost my house and business in 2009. I had enough time to buy some land on a mountain over looking a lake. I bought some extra camping gear and brought my wife and daughter to our new home. No buildings. It was a real nice tent though. My wife said "nope." She left me the kid and left forever. She got a check for $20 grand when her dad died, so she wasn't about to live in a tent. Starting with just dirt and trees takes a while. But I knew I was doing the right thing. The kid graduated from school and we are still here. We no longer live in a tent and can live well over a year without going to the store if we need to.

Things were a little rougher than I would have liked, but I'm glad it is behind me instead of having to do it now.

People leaving the city now will need more money and may not have the time that I had to get things ready. Course if they sell their half million dollar home and come to the country with a boat load of cash, things will be considerably easier. When things crash, people might lose their half million dollar home and their half million in toys. It will be a sad day for some.

Your wife left you and her own kid? Yikes. Sounds to me like what you went through losing your home and business turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

I met her in rehab. I had 3 DUIs back to back and she was a crack head. She checked into rehab when she found she was pregnant. The odds of meeting any one particular stranger aren't one in 7 billion. In the US it's more like one in 350 million. In Arizona it's about one in 7.25 million. We left rehab together. The Bishop convinced us to get married and did the honors.

The baby was born and she called me dad. She wasn't putting on weight and doctors said they could operate and build her a bile duct out of her intestine and make her liver work. The operation did not work. They said she needed a liver transplant. But they couldn't do it without getting paid. It was a million dollar deal. My first meeting with social services was not good. They said an alcoholic married to a drug addict was not a marriage that would last and this was a lifetime commitment. I went to the Bishop. I told him the story. He asked me what I expected him to do? I said there is a meeting scheduled, just be there. He was. She was put on the transplant list. She got an apartment across the street from the hospital in Tucson. They went, I stayed home. Eleven months later, they came back.

My wife had 2 previous children that were taken away by the state. I suggested we adopt them. She said no as she had promised relatives that she wouldn't ask for them back. We moved to Utah to get away from people bringing me beer.

Having a liver transplant requires immune suppression to keep from rejecting the foreign liver. So when the kid was 9 a mother that hated god and humanity sent her snot nosed kid to school to try to kill other children. H1N1 and she got it. She was really sick for a couple weeks. Doctors said there was nothing they could do that she would likely die but bring her in the hospital in the morning for isolation. That night the Elders came by for their 3 to 5 meals a week. They asked where she was and I said she was sick. They said from what I said H1N1 and they grabbed their coats and as they left said they were forbidden to administer or even be around. They never came back. Ever.

So when she went to sleep, I got the consecrated oil and pamphlet on ordinances out and discovered I could do it by myself. So I held the oil in one hand and the pamphlet in the other and asked God to save her. In the morning her mother took her to the hospital as planned. An hour later they came back. I asked what happened. I had not even told my wife that I administered to her. The doctor examined her on arrival and found no evidence of H1N1.

I have told this story before. Thing is, I saved that kid's life. She is happy. She took 4 years of Seminary.

So we agree to come down here and experience earth in a body, knowing there will be trials. What did it take for me and her mother to be in rehab at the same time? Everything had to play out or the baby would be dead. Plus I got to participate in a miracle.