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Update on the Church’s stance on political neutrality.

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https://www.ldsliving.com/read-updates- ... dium=email

The new opening paragraph:

“The work of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints includes sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ, strengthening individuals and families, and caring for those in need. The Church does not seek to elect government officials, support or oppose political parties, or, generally, take sides in global conflicts. The Church is neutral in matters of politics within or between the world’s many nations, lands, and peoples. However, as an institution, it reserves the right to address issues it believes have significant moral consequences or that directly affect the mission, teachings, or operations of the Church.”

The new conclusion:

“To navigate the application of these principles of political neutrality and participation in an ever-changing and complex world, the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will continue to seek prophetic wisdom and revelation on these matters.”

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"However, as an institution, it reserves the right to address issues it believes have significant moral consequences or that directly affect the mission, teachings, or operations of the Church.”

What complete BS!!!!

It doesn't take "prophetic wisdom" to understand that the Democrats official position and voting record of slaughtering as many babies as possible is EVIL and WRONG...yet the church won't say a word about it....because they are all a bunch of progressive leftists.

These guys make me nauseated. They don't stand up for truth and they don't call out obvious EVIL...and they sure as hell don't give good medical advice.

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Do their actions and alliances suggest political neutrality?

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“To navigate the application of these principles of political neutrality and participation in an ever-changing and complex world, the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will continue to seek prophetic wisdom and revelation on these matters.”



Translation:

"We have advisors and lawyers that will brief us on political current events and will discuss among ourselves and come to a consensus that protects the 501c3 status of the corporation at all costs. We do not hear the voice of the Lord, nor do we write anything He says down... because we've never heard His voice. We find His will through good feelings and consensus among ourselves."
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The church took the side of depopulation

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The Red Pill wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 10:56 am "However, as an institution, it reserves the right to address issues it believes have significant moral consequences or that directly affect the mission, teachings, or operations of the Church.”

What complete BS!!!!

It doesn't take "prophetic wisdom" to understand that the Democrats official position and voting record of slaughtering as many babies as possible is EVIL and WRONG...yet the church won't say a word about it....because they are all a bunch of progressive leftists.

These guys make me nauseated. They don't stand up for truth and they don't call out obvious EVIL...and they sure as hell don't give good medical advice.
What the Church is saying is that they are NOT going to touch on political matters except those that affect the Church directly.

A state declaring abortion as a constitutional right all the way up to birth does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that a woman must abort children starting from the second birth WOULD affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that same sex marriages must be legal and codified does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that churches would be obligated to perform same-sex marriages WOULD affect the Church's mission.

This is a wise move.

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Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:09 am
The Red Pill wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 10:56 am "However, as an institution, it reserves the right to address issues it believes have significant moral consequences or that directly affect the mission, teachings, or operations of the Church.”

What complete BS!!!!

It doesn't take "prophetic wisdom" to understand that the Democrats official position and voting record of slaughtering as many babies as possible is EVIL and WRONG...yet the church won't say a word about it....because they are all a bunch of progressive leftists.

These guys make me nauseated. They don't stand up for truth and they don't call out obvious EVIL...and they sure as hell don't give good medical advice.
What the Church is saying is that they are NOT going to touch on political matters except those that affect the Church directly.

A state declaring abortion as a constitutional right all the way up to birth does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that a woman must abort children starting from the second birth WOULD affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that same sex marriages must be legal and codified does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that churches would be obligated to perform same-sex marriages WOULD affect the Church's mission.

This is a wise move.
Like Agenda 2030? Is that political? They certainly took a side on that. Did they not?
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The church is very cozy with the UN. They are on the side of slavery for all of mankind!

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I did a comparison with the new (June 2023) on the left, and the old (April 2023) on the right:
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Line 19 in my screenshot above tells me I can call it Jim-Jones Juice, the clot shot, VAIDS, or anything else I like...

Line 20: And they "encourage" me to vote (but do not require it - sorry, Duke! ;) )

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The very fact that they themselves are democrats, prove that they think Lucifer had the better plan. Every tenet of the democrat platform flips God the bird. Killing unborn children tops the list of Q15 priorities. Otherwise, they would not even consider being a democrat. Removal of freedoms for your own good is their second highest priority. As Luciferians, altering your God given immune system in order to be more compliant and manageable, is their third highest priority. The jab helps bring Agenda 2030 to pass in order to place satan on the throne. Utah government is an example of the LDS priorities. Mutt Romney is a politician the Q15 admire. Their words are meaningless compared to their fruits (actions).

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:10 am
Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:09 am
The Red Pill wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 10:56 am "However, as an institution, it reserves the right to address issues it believes have significant moral consequences or that directly affect the mission, teachings, or operations of the Church.”

What complete BS!!!!

It doesn't take "prophetic wisdom" to understand that the Democrats official position and voting record of slaughtering as many babies as possible is EVIL and WRONG...yet the church won't say a word about it....because they are all a bunch of progressive leftists.

These guys make me nauseated. They don't stand up for truth and they don't call out obvious EVIL...and they sure as hell don't give good medical advice.
What the Church is saying is that they are NOT going to touch on political matters except those that affect the Church directly.

A state declaring abortion as a constitutional right all the way up to birth does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that a woman must abort children starting from the second birth WOULD affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that same sex marriages must be legal and codified does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that churches would be obligated to perform same-sex marriages WOULD affect the Church's mission.

This is a wise move.
Like Agenda 2030? Is that political? They certainly took a side on that. Did they not?

Good points!

Let's not forget the summer of love where BLM and Antifa were killing, burning, looting and destroying everything in sight...and the church said NOTHING...

Yet, when the FED'S infiltrated and set up January 6th protestors...the church issued a ridiculous statement within days against the "insurrection".

They claim neutrality, but they are incredibly biased.

Always on the wrong side of the truth and history!

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ruh-roh - Uchtdorf in trouble for line 36, lol...

I mean - what were the consequences for him, exactly? does this policy have any teeth, or is it just pretty language?

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:10 am
Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:09 am
The Red Pill wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 10:56 am "However, as an institution, it reserves the right to address issues it believes have significant moral consequences or that directly affect the mission, teachings, or operations of the Church.”

What complete BS!!!!

It doesn't take "prophetic wisdom" to understand that the Democrats official position and voting record of slaughtering as many babies as possible is EVIL and WRONG...yet the church won't say a word about it....because they are all a bunch of progressive leftists.

These guys make me nauseated. They don't stand up for truth and they don't call out obvious EVIL...and they sure as hell don't give good medical advice.
What the Church is saying is that they are NOT going to touch on political matters except those that affect the Church directly.

A state declaring abortion as a constitutional right all the way up to birth does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that a woman must abort children starting from the second birth WOULD affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that same sex marriages must be legal and codified does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that churches would be obligated to perform same-sex marriages WOULD affect the Church's mission.

This is a wise move.
Like Agenda 2030? Is that political? They certainly took a side on that. Did they not?
Sure. I see nothing wrong with any of the 17 Sustainable Development Goals.

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The Red Pill wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:19 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:10 am
Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:09 am

What the Church is saying is that they are NOT going to touch on political matters except those that affect the Church directly.

A state declaring abortion as a constitutional right all the way up to birth does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that a woman must abort children starting from the second birth WOULD affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that same sex marriages must be legal and codified does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that churches would be obligated to perform same-sex marriages WOULD affect the Church's mission.

This is a wise move.
Like Agenda 2030? Is that political? They certainly took a side on that. Did they not?

Good points!

Let's not forget the summer of love where BLM and Antifa were killing, burning, looting and destroying everything in sight...and the church said NOTHING...

Yet, when the FED'S infiltrated and set up January 6th protestors...the church issued a ridiculous statement within days against the "insurrection".

They claim neutrality, but they are incredibly biased.

Always on the wrong side of the truth and history!
You are incorrect.
Russell M Nelson wrote: We join with many throughout this nation and around the world who are deeply saddened at recent evidences of racism and a blatant disregard for human life. We abhor the reality that some would deny others respect and the most basic of freedoms because of the color of his or her skin.
We are also saddened when these assaults on human dignity lead to escalating violence and unrest.

The Creator of us all calls on each of us to abandon attitudes of prejudice against any group of God’s children. Any of us who has prejudice toward another race needs to repent!

During the Savior’s earthly mission, He constantly ministered to those who were excluded, marginalized, judged, overlooked, abused, and discounted. As His followers, can we do anything less? The answer is no! We believe in freedom, kindness, and fairness for all of God’s children!

Let us be clear. We are brothers and sisters, each of us the child of a loving Father in Heaven. His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, invites all to come unto Him—“black and white, bond and free, male and female,” (2 Nephi 26:33). It behooves each of us to do whatever we can in our spheres of influence to preserve the dignity and respect every son and daughter of God deserves.

Any nation can only be as great as its people. That requires citizens to cultivate a moral compass that helps them distinguish between right and wrong.

Illegal acts such as looting, defacing, or destroying public or private property cannot be tolerated. Never has one wrong been corrected by a second wrong. Evil has never been resolved by more evil.

We need to foster our faith in the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man.

We need to foster a fundamental respect for the human dignity of every human soul, regardless of their color, creed, or cause.

And we need to work tirelessly to build bridges of understanding rather than creating walls of segregation.

I plead with us to work together for peace, for mutual respect, and for an outpouring of love for all of God’s children.

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Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:21 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:10 am
Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:09 am

What the Church is saying is that they are NOT going to touch on political matters except those that affect the Church directly.

A state declaring abortion as a constitutional right all the way up to birth does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that a woman must abort children starting from the second birth WOULD affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that same sex marriages must be legal and codified does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that churches would be obligated to perform same-sex marriages WOULD affect the Church's mission.

This is a wise move.
Like Agenda 2030? Is that political? They certainly took a side on that. Did they not?
Sure. I see nothing wrong with any of the 17 Sustainable Development Goals.
Neither does satan.

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Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:21 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:10 am
Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:09 am

What the Church is saying is that they are NOT going to touch on political matters except those that affect the Church directly.

A state declaring abortion as a constitutional right all the way up to birth does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that a woman must abort children starting from the second birth WOULD affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that same sex marriages must be legal and codified does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that churches would be obligated to perform same-sex marriages WOULD affect the Church's mission.

This is a wise move.
Like Agenda 2030? Is that political? They certainly took a side on that. Did they not?
Sure. I see nothing wrong with any of the 17 Sustainable Development Goals.
my conSCIENCE tells me no. 13 "climate change" is a hoax. Can I still follow my conscience and buy a gas stove if I want, or is that still only reserved for professional chefs in California?

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The Red Pill wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:19 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:10 am
Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:09 am

What the Church is saying is that they are NOT going to touch on political matters except those that affect the Church directly.

A state declaring abortion as a constitutional right all the way up to birth does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that a woman must abort children starting from the second birth WOULD affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that same sex marriages must be legal and codified does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that churches would be obligated to perform same-sex marriages WOULD affect the Church's mission.

This is a wise move.
Like Agenda 2030? Is that political? They certainly took a side on that. Did they not?

Good points!

Let's not forget the summer of love where BLM and Antifa were killing, burning, looting and destroying everything in sight...and the church said NOTHING...

Yet, when the FED'S infiltrated and set up January 6th protestors...the church issued a ridiculous statement within days against the "insurrection".

They claim neutrality, but they are incredibly biased.

Always on the wrong side of the truth and history!
Because it was an insurrection. An attempted coup. These are objective facts of history that pretty much everyone around the world (outside of a few fringe right wing Americans) accepts.

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Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:27 am
The Red Pill wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:19 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:10 am

Like Agenda 2030? Is that political? They certainly took a side on that. Did they not?

Good points!

Let's not forget the summer of love where BLM and Antifa were killing, burning, looting and destroying everything in sight...and the church said NOTHING...

Yet, when the FED'S infiltrated and set up January 6th protestors...the church issued a ridiculous statement within days against the "insurrection".

They claim neutrality, but they are incredibly biased.

Always on the wrong side of the truth and history!
Because it was an insurrection. An attempted coup. These are objective facts of history that pretty much everyone around the world (outside of a few fringe right wing Americans) accepts.
No it was not. It was designed to appear so, however. The proof is out there.

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mudflap wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:26 am
Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:21 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:10 am

Like Agenda 2030? Is that political? They certainly took a side on that. Did they not?
Sure. I see nothing wrong with any of the 17 Sustainable Development Goals.
my conSCIENCE tells me no. 13 "climate change" is a hoax. Can I still follow my conscience and buy a gas stove if I want, or is that still only reserved for professional chefs in California?
Climate change is real, unfortunately. I will admit, many of the measures that people are clamoring for are quite ridiculous. I will further admit that whatever the US and the developing world are doing to cut emissions, those are being canceled out by China, India, and Russia, among other countries. A lot more has to be done in those places to cut emissions, or anything they can do in the developed world will come to naught.

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Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:27 am
The Red Pill wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:19 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:10 am

Like Agenda 2030? Is that political? They certainly took a side on that. Did they not?

Good points!

Let's not forget the summer of love where BLM and Antifa were killing, burning, looting and destroying everything in sight...and the church said NOTHING...

Yet, when the FED'S infiltrated and set up January 6th protestors...the church issued a ridiculous statement within days against the "insurrection".

They claim neutrality, but they are incredibly biased.

Always on the wrong side of the truth and history!
Because it was an insurrection. An attempted coup. These are objective facts of history that pretty much everyone around the world (outside of a few fringe right wing Americans) accepts.
You better cut down on the tequila intake brother...

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Fred wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:30 am
Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:27 am
The Red Pill wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:19 am


Good points!

Let's not forget the summer of love where BLM and Antifa were killing, burning, looting and destroying everything in sight...and the church said NOTHING...

Yet, when the FED'S infiltrated and set up January 6th protestors...the church issued a ridiculous statement within days against the "insurrection".

They claim neutrality, but they are incredibly biased.

Always on the wrong side of the truth and history!
Because it was an insurrection. An attempted coup. These are objective facts of history that pretty much everyone around the world (outside of a few fringe right wing Americans) accepts.
No it was not. It was designed to appear so, however. The proof is out there.
The proof is that there were many people that threw a fit that their candidate lost and then proceeded to take that fit to the Capitol building just as they were confirming the votes for the winner of the presidential election. And that one of the ringleaders (who was found guilty in a court of law and sentenced to 18 years behind bars) admitted that he lamented that he didn't bring guns to the Capitol building. Several were there threatening violence against sitting members of Congress, the Senate, and even the Vice President.

That is an insurrection.

Saying the contrary would make you no better than the ChiComs that to this day deny that the atrocities of Tienanmen Square ever happened.

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Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:21 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:10 am
Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:09 am

What the Church is saying is that they are NOT going to touch on political matters except those that affect the Church directly.

A state declaring abortion as a constitutional right all the way up to birth does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that a woman must abort children starting from the second birth WOULD affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that same sex marriages must be legal and codified does NOT affect the Church's mission.

A state declaring that churches would be obligated to perform same-sex marriages WOULD affect the Church's mission.

This is a wise move.
Like Agenda 2030? Is that political? They certainly took a side on that. Did they not?
Sure. I see nothing wrong with any of the 17 Sustainable Development Goals.
How do you not see that this is Satan's plan?

For the love of God and all that is holy, stop watching mainstream media.

And thank you for at least admitting that they got caught in a lie.
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Probably a good place for this. :)
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Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:33 am
Fred wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:30 am
Subcomandante wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 11:27 am

Because it was an insurrection. An attempted coup. These are objective facts of history that pretty much everyone around the world (outside of a few fringe right wing Americans) accepts.
No it was not. It was designed to appear so, however. The proof is out there.
The proof is that there were many people that threw a fit that their candidate lost and then proceeded to take that fit to the Capitol building just as they were confirming the votes for the winner of the presidential election. And that one of the ringleaders (who was found guilty in a court of law and sentenced to 18 years behind bars) admitted that he lamented that he didn't bring guns to the Capitol building. Several were there threatening violence against sitting members of Congress, the Senate, and even the Vice President.

That is an insurrection.

Saying the contrary would make you no better than the ChiComs that to this day deny that the atrocities of Tienanmen Square ever happened.
You are easily manipulated by the MSM narratives and talking points. You swallow every one of them hook, line and sinker...ditto for Q15 narratives.

So...enjoy your 8 × 10 glossy's of Q15 and Biden hanging on your wall...as you watch CNN and MSNBC.

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