The Church has supported Vaccinations for Over 50 Years and This Is What The They Do

[Silver Pie]

I have a book called Faith and the Placebo Effect by Lolette Kuby. It's a really, really good book. I'm on my third reading of it.

Today, I was reading in the book about a fake disease called Koro (a Javenese word) that was supposed to wither men's penises. It was totally fabricated, yet it spread to Malaysia and south China. And Lolette said this:

"No one knows the origin of this fictional disease. It was entirely a product of autosuggestion or what Phineas Parkhurst-Quimby and Mary Baker Eddy would have called false belief, yet Koro reached epidemic proportions." In the margin, I wrote, "and so did covid."

Real symptoms. Real suffering. Really makes one wonder how powerful the mind (or belief) really is.

Edit: The disease spread, not just the rumor of the disease.

[JohnnyL]

I'm guessing that the Church would use the same logic that vaccine supporters in general use.

That logic being yes there are vaccine injuries but they save more lives than they harm.

Mrna vaccines are different because they weren't effective and they caused injury. Conventional vaccines were at least effective.

Live conventional vaccines are effective to some degree, but not the dead conventional vaccines. However, when compared with non-vaccinated, there really is not much comparison.

[JohnnyL]

Polio was caused by vaccines and DDT. Vaccines do do something: they poison one's system with its ingredients. Vaccines are based on the false germ hypothesis. One does not "build up" one's immunity by poison. The germ hypothesis says so, but the germ construct is FALSE.

Germ hypothesis has been derived from a pseudoscientific sleight of hand with no validation. Doctors and scientists are indoctrinated into a germ "theory" dogma who are akin to a religion and appealing to authority. Unfortunately, there is no valid science whatsoever to back up their beliefs. Germ "theory" history is rife with political involvement, fear based agendas, erroneous testing methods, racketeering, superstition, story telling, silencing of truth tellers, suppression or demonizing of alternative theories, destruction of natural medicine fields and of course massive profit agendas.

No valid scientific claims have been made to prove contagion from either a bacterium or a virus. No virus has ever been properly purified, isolated or shown to cause any disease.

No infection study has been performed from a pure isolate of any germ. In order to attempt to make a healthy host sick, there are always poisons and other tissue materials involved, and even then, the results do not adhere to Koch’s postulates or even the altered River’s Criteria, of which had to be designed in a hopeful attempt to manipulate the proofs to serve the theory, the very opposite of how the scientific method is to be observed.

Again, really, B.........................Sh...................t. Show me. You've been on this many times and we've discussed the facts that can be seen in labs and stuff. I'm not a lab person, but my wife is, etc.. and you only come back with some off-beat Dr (supposedly anyway) story, like the Russia gate thing. Sorry, but this is so wrong and statistics show it, as does the life expectancy, baby survival rates and lack of true epidemics and pandemics for the past century.

Worse, either falsely or accidently espousing this hurts real people, as said before your dispensing medical advise w/o a license (according to the LDS FF of medical advise) and if ONE person dies from you saying this your a MURDERER. I mean that is the level of accusation on FF, is it not? You've been warned. Pretty tired, frankly of both sides claiming "facts" and "truths" while avoiding the real world science.

This isn't the flat earth and fake NASA BS on here as NASA cannot hurt you and no one has fallen off the edge of the flat earth no matter how hard they try. But, keeping an innocent, but slightly less intelligent person from being vaxed and getting polio or measles and dying because of your post is a risk.

Curious--is your telling people to get shots dispensing medical advice without a license?

Could you respond to the parts of the post you disagree with?

[JohnnyL]

No not everyone falls for THAT lie about smallpox.

They are always much healthier for a very good reason. Vaccines do not work. They are poison and do not "boost the 'immune system'".

You might want to take that up with George Washington who vaccinated his troops against smallpox. And your science is categorically false.

Smallpox vaccine was not good.

* only 5–10% of the population was ever vaccinated so it’s impossible to credit the smallpox vaccine with reducing cases over the entire population.

* Before England's first compulsory vaccination law in 1853, the largest two-year smallpox death rate was about 2,000; in 1870-71, England and Wales had over 23,000 smallpox deaths

* In the early 1900's, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses (achieving a vaccination rate of 95%); the death rate quadrupled as a result.

* Japan experienced yearly increases in small pox following the introduction of compulsory vaccines in 1872. By 1892, there were 29,979 deaths, and all had been vaccinated.

* Again, sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. The next diagram shows smallpox deaths vs deaths due to the smallpox vaccine.

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One natural doctor (not MD) had 100% cure rate, and others very close to it. The MD hospitals had 50% death rate (50% cure rate).

[JohnnyL]

... everyone knows that smallpox was eradicated by vaccines. ...

Whenever a doctor decides to compare his vaccinated populations against unvaccinated populations the unvaccinated populations are ALWAYS much healthier

Modern vaccines are not a godsend. At all. They have made many people's lives hell and killed many children.

No not everyone falls for THAT lie about smallpox.

They are always much healthier for a very good reason. Vaccines do not work. They are poison and do not "boost the 'immune system'".

You might want to take that up with George Washington who vaccinated his troops against smallpox. And your science is categorically false.

A very different vaccination, right? He did the best with what he knew, I'm guessing. Now that we know more, it would seem... ignorant to not do better/ differently.

We've taken it up with church leadership; is GW above them? Why would we want to "take that up with George Washington"? Is this an appeal to authority?

[JohnnyL]

You might want to take that up with George Washington who vaccinated his troops against smallpox. And your science is categorically false.

Smallpox vaccine was not good.

* only 5–10% of the population was ever vaccinated so it’s impossible to credit the smallpox vaccine with reducing cases over the entire population.

* Before England's first compulsory vaccination law in 1853, the largest two-year smallpox death rate was about 2,000; in 1870-71, England and Wales had over 23,000 smallpox deaths

* In the early 1900's, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses (achieving a vaccination rate of 95%); the death rate quadrupled as a result.

* Japan experienced yearly increases in small pox following the introduction of compulsory vaccines in 1872. By 1892, there were 29,979 deaths, and all had been vaccinated.

* Again, sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. The next diagram shows smallpox deaths vs deaths due to the smallpox vaccine.

Screenshot_20230523-001417.jpg

Cherry picked data is cherry picked.

Vaccines got better over time to the point where deaths attributable to vaccination against smallpox were less than a hundred throughout the 1950s. Your graph only goes into the 1920s, and it is obvious why...because the vax deaths drop off precipitously after that time.

Could you cherry pick similar smallpox data from other countries to support your argument?

[Subcomandante]

No not everyone falls for THAT lie about smallpox.

They are always much healthier for a very good reason. Vaccines do not work. They are poison and do not "boost the 'immune system'".

You might want to take that up with George Washington who vaccinated his troops against smallpox. And your science is categorically false.

A very different vaccination, right? He did the best with what he knew, I'm guessing. Now that we know more, it would seem... ignorant to not do better/ differently.

We've taken it up with church leadership; is GW above them? Why would we want to "take that up with George Washington"? Is this an appeal to authority?

George Washington vaccinated his troops against the smallpox. Later on with yellow fever epidemics, the Founders locked up several parts of the country to try to contain the outbreak. Not very different than what many leaders did during the Coronavirus epidemic yet were roundly condemned for doing exactly that which the Founders had done in the past.

[Subcomandante]

Smallpox vaccine was not good.

* only 5–10% of the population was ever vaccinated so it’s impossible to credit the smallpox vaccine with reducing cases over the entire population.

* Before England's first compulsory vaccination law in 1853, the largest two-year smallpox death rate was about 2,000; in 1870-71, England and Wales had over 23,000 smallpox deaths

* In the early 1900's, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses (achieving a vaccination rate of 95%); the death rate quadrupled as a result.

* Japan experienced yearly increases in small pox following the introduction of compulsory vaccines in 1872. By 1892, there were 29,979 deaths, and all had been vaccinated.

* Again, sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. The next diagram shows smallpox deaths vs deaths due to the smallpox vaccine.

Screenshot_20230523-001417.jpg

Cherry picked data is cherry picked.

Vaccines got better over time to the point where deaths attributable to vaccination against smallpox were less than a hundred throughout the 1950s. Your graph only goes into the 1920s, and it is obvious why...because the vax deaths drop off precipitously after that time.

Could you cherry pick similar smallpox data from other countries to support your argument?

Before, millions of people died from smallpox.

Now, nobody dies from smallpox.

If only there was something to explain why now nobody dies of smallpox...

Ah yes, the vaccine!

Antivaxxer: TRIGGERED!!!!

[Silver Pie]

One natural doctor (not MD) had 100% cure rate, and others very close to it. The MD hospitals had 50% death rate (50% cure rate).

Yet, if the natural doctor had 1 death, odds are he'd be prosecuted for murder whereas 5 or 50 or 5,000 deaths with the MD, the MD would get off scot-free.

[JohnnyL]

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[...The church joined in on a WHO measles campaign about a decade ago, and 6 weeks later routine swab testing was done on the kids, showing the average immunity was already down to 60%. That must be why they have to keep going over there and keep going over there, costing millions upon millions of dollars, to keep vaccinating again and again. It seems odd to me that when self reliance is a principle of the gospel, we make people dependent like this, as well as make it a big freebie, etc. As a kid I never had the regular measles and I was never vaccinated, but it was a common childhood disease that no one EVER died of. Why are kids in Africa dying of it? Why do measles complications overwhelm them? IMO Finding this out and teaching them how to do something about it would be worth something.

And not one child had to be crippled from Polio. Not one. There was an actual cure for that which proved effective in every single case it was applied. But is this known today? No. And I could go on for three days straight giving more examples like this.

Yes!! Why not find out what' missing? Why not give them vitamins and minerals instead of vaccine shots that will (at least eventually) hurt them?? I was 1Mx more pleased when the Church developed a child formula for malnourishment, based on local ingredients. Vaccines are the accepted easy-way-out of responsibility and long-term caring--pat yourself on the back and feel good.

What's your cure for polio?

[JohnnyL]

You might want to take that up with George Washington who vaccinated his troops against smallpox. And your science is categorically false.

A very different vaccination, right? He did the best with what he knew, I'm guessing. Now that we know more, it would seem... ignorant to not do better/ differently.

We've taken it up with church leadership; is GW above them? Why would we want to "take that up with George Washington"? Is this an appeal to authority?

George Washington vaccinated his troops against the smallpox. Later on with yellow fever epidemics, the Founders locked up several parts of the country to try to contain the outbreak. Not very different than what many leaders did during the Coronavirus epidemic yet were roundly condemned for doing exactly that which the Founders had done in the past.

Treating smallpox was generally pretty easy. I would hope that in 200 years, we would know more diseases and treatments. We don't, because knowledge has been hidden (contrary to what the Church might say) and we "know" what *they* want us to "know".

Similar cases might or might not be similar cases--there's often a big differences between some. Who do you mean by "the Founders"? Do you know that the 15 appealed to authority and appealed to the precedent set by Lorenzo Snow? https://www.deseret.com/2021/9/22/22687 ... mormon-lds Did that appeal make it more right, or better, or okay, prima facie?

[JohnnyL]

Cherry picked data is cherry picked.

Vaccines got better over time to the point where deaths attributable to vaccination against smallpox were less than a hundred throughout the 1950s. Your graph only goes into the 1920s, and it is obvious why...because the vax deaths drop off precipitously after that time.

Could you cherry pick similar smallpox data from other countries to support your argument?

Before, millions of people died from smallpox.

Now, nobody dies from smallpox.

If only there was something to explain why now nobody dies of smallpox...

Ah yes, the vaccine!

Antivaxxer: TRIGGERED!!!!

What was the cause of smallpox? How was it transmitted? How were so many healed?
If you can answer those, you'll know why people don't die from smallpox.

[Good & Global]

JohnnyL why are you trying to bring the scientific method into a religious discussion.

Even science doesn't use it post 2020, now we only have literal godsends and climate change related covid

[Silver Pie]

JohnnyL why are you trying to bring the scientific method into a religious discussion.

Even science doesn't use it post 2020, now we only have literal godsends and climate change related covid

Sadly, JohnnyL has brains.

[JohnnyL]

JohnnyL why are you trying to bring the scientific method into a religious discussion.

Even science doesn't use it post 2020, now we only have literal godsends and climate change related covid

Sadly, JohnnyL has brains.

Ha, maybe at least once in a while...

[Severus]

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[...The church joined in on a WHO measles campaign about a decade ago, and 6 weeks later routine swab testing was done on the kids, showing the average immunity was already down to 60%. That must be why they have to keep going over there and keep going over there, costing millions upon millions of dollars, to keep vaccinating again and again. It seems odd to me that when self reliance is a principle of the gospel, we make people dependent like this, as well as make it a big freebie, etc. As a kid I never had the regular measles and I was never vaccinated, but it was a common childhood disease that no one EVER died of. Why are kids in Africa dying of it? Why do measles complications overwhelm them? IMO Finding this out and teaching them how to do something about it would be worth something.

And not one child had to be crippled from Polio. Not one. There was an actual cure for that which proved effective in every single case it was applied. But is this known today? No. And I could go on for three days straight giving more examples like this.

Yes!! Why not find out what' missing? Why not give them vitamins and minerals instead of vaccine shots that will (at least eventually) hurt them?? I was 1Mx more pleased when the Church developed a child formula for malnourishment, based on local ingredients. Vaccines are the accepted easy-way-out of responsibility and long-term caring--pat yourself on the back and feel good.

What's your cure for polio?

Elizabeth Kenney discovered a cure for the dreaded paralysis caused by polio. Since paralysis is why people die of polio, this is a huge deal. Look her up on Wikipedia and there was even a movie made about her in 1946 that won Rosalind Russell an academy award. Basically, her cure consisted of a type of physiotherapy combined with poultices and the like. And oh yeah it worked every time.

I think the story goes that Elizabeth Kenney treated her first polio patient in 1911 by pulling him out of an iron lung and placing poultices of some sort on his diaphragm. This lucky patient survived, of course, and breathed on his own the rest of his much happier life.

Elizabeth Kenney was not a professionally trained nurse. She just worked as one. Maybe that is why she could still think.

[Severus]

Could you cherry pick similar smallpox data from other countries to support your argument?

Before, millions of people died from smallpox.

Now, nobody dies from smallpox.

If only there was something to explain why now nobody dies of smallpox...

Ah yes, the vaccine!

Antivaxxer: TRIGGERED!!!!

What was the cause of smallpox? How was it transmitted? How were so many healed?
If you can answer those, you'll know why people don't die from smallpox.

My own theory as to why the native americans succumbed to smallpox like no other is because of their filthy living habits. I can't prove this, and I know how politically incorrect it is, but this is what I think.

I have read some journals of fur trappers from the 1700's who describe native americans as absolutely filthy people. If you could rate levels of personal filthiness, the indian tribes the fur trappers dealth with would have been rated XXX. When Nephi calls them "filthy and loathsome", believe me, he was being a master of understatement.
Even the fur trappers were grossed out by them, so that's pretty bad.

Cleanliness is the first and best defense against disease. Soap and water could even take out covid. There was a story about an elementary school teacher who put a stamp on each of her students hands at the start of the day with an admonition to wash it off by the time they went home, which took several washings. That teacher never had student staying home with a cold, flu, etc. Not one. And she had years with 100% attendance.

You would think that if the government or boss could mandate vaccines, they could just as easily make you get your hand stamped stamped and not let you go home until it was washed off. ha ha. Sounds better than a vaccine mandate. And it works, too.

But devils advocate, I heard two doctors talking at work one day about a seminar they had gone to. Somewhere in this seminar they were told to tell their patients to eat better, lower stress, lose weight, stop all the couch potato beer drinking, have good self care habits, etc, and do more natural things to fix their health problems. These guys were both complaining that if they really started giving out this kind of advice they would lose all their patients. After all, the patients came to get a quick fix magic bullet medical solution along with a lot of sympathetic attention, not be told THEY had to do something...

Those guys just might have had just a little bit of a point there.

[Ymarsakar]

Sounds like this paralysis of the lungs is simikar to how they killed via covid in hospitals.

Perhaps the poultices used herbs to suck out the toxins and heavy metals or neuro poisons.

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[...The church joined in on a WHO measles campaign about a decade ago, and 6 weeks later routine swab testing was done on the kids, showing the average immunity was already down to 60%. That must be why they have to keep going over there and keep going over there, costing millions upon millions of dollars, to keep vaccinating again and again. It seems odd to me that when self reliance is a principle of the gospel, we make people dependent like this, as well as make it a big freebie, etc. As a kid I never had the regular measles and I was never vaccinated, but it was a common childhood disease that no one EVER died of. Why are kids in Africa dying of it? Why do measles complications overwhelm them? IMO Finding this out and teaching them how to do something about it would be worth something.

And not one child had to be crippled from Polio. Not one. There was an actual cure for that which proved effective in every single case it was applied. But is this known today? No. And I could go on for three days straight giving more examples like this.

Yes!! Why not find out what' missing? Why not give them vitamins and minerals instead of vaccine shots that will (at least eventually) hurt them?? I was 1Mx more pleased when the Church developed a child formula for malnourishment, based on local ingredients. Vaccines are the accepted easy-way-out of responsibility and long-term caring--pat yourself on the back and feel good.

What's your cure for polio?

Elizabeth Kenney discovered a cure for the dreaded paralysis caused by polio. Since paralysis is why people die of polio, this is a huge deal. Look her up on Wikipedia and there was even a movie made about her in 1946 that won Rosalind Russell an academy award. Basically, her cure consisted of a type of physiotherapy combined with poultices and the like. And oh yeah it worked every time.

I think the story goes that Elizabeth Kenney treated her first polio patient in 1911 by pulling him out of an iron lung and placing poultices of some sort on his diaphragm. This lucky patient survived, of course, and breathed on his own the rest of his much happier life.

Elizabeth Kenney was not a professionally trained nurse. She just worked as one. Maybe that is why she could still think.

[Obeone]

Steve Kirsch has run an extremely important article on vaccinations, autism, and SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome). The Church has officially supported childhood vaccinations since around 1980. When is a prophet not a prophet? When they officially sign off on maiming and murdering children. That's when.

True.
But murder by definition is deliberate. The harm Q15 caused with this policy (which we in general should not follow if we listen to the Spirit) is not deliberate.

They were right on most important things though.

No one said Q15 are infallible in all things. It is foolish to imagine that. Only God is always right. Listen to Him. Then you will know the Church is still true, though it has its problems. It is still the kingdom of God on earth.

[Ymarsakar]

Ob, they were informed recently.

[Obeone]

Ob, they were informed recently.

Yes, and in 4 years about half of them will be gone. God will soften or remove all the heads that impede His work.

But they are still innocent. It takes a moment for truths to sink in for old people.

[Atrasado]

Ob, they were informed recently.

Yes, and in 4 years about half of them will be gone. God will soften or remove all the heads that impede His work.

But they are still innocent. It takes a moment for truths to sink in for old people.

Being deceived is not the same as being innocent. We are capable of not being deceived through the Holy Ghost.

Furthermore, speaking in Jehovah's name when He did not command them to speak is a grievous sin. They did this multiple times.

Lastly, they, with knowledge, made a covenant with death and hell so that when the real scourge is released it would pass the members of the Church by, although they were deceived and the scourge won't pass the Church by. In other words, the leaders of the Church into a covenant with Satan and his servants; that is they joined THE secret combination, and belonging to a secret combination is most abominable above all things. Hence, Isaiah 28.

[madvin]

Polio was caused by vaccines and DDT. Vaccines do do something: they poison one's system with its ingredients. Vaccines are based on the false germ hypothesis. One does not "build up" one's immunity by poison. The germ hypothesis says so, but the germ construct is FALSE.

Germ hypothesis has been derived from a pseudoscientific sleight of hand with no validation. Doctors and scientists are indoctrinated into a germ "theory" dogma who are akin to a religion and appealing to authority. Unfortunately, there is no valid science whatsoever to back up their beliefs. Germ "theory" history is rife with political involvement, fear based agendas, erroneous testing methods, racketeering, superstition, story telling, silencing of truth tellers, suppression or demonizing of alternative theories, destruction of natural medicine fields and of course massive profit agendas.

No valid scientific claims have been made to prove contagion from either a bacterium or a virus. No virus has ever been properly purified, isolated or shown to cause any disease.

No infection study has been performed from a pure isolate of any germ. In order to attempt to make a healthy host sick, there are always poisons and other tissue materials involved, and even then, the results do not adhere to Koch’s postulates or even the altered River’s Criteria, of which had to be designed in a hopeful attempt to manipulate the proofs to serve the theory, the very opposite of how the scientific method is to be observed.

Again, really, B.........................Sh...................t. Show me. You've been on this many times and we've discussed the facts that can be seen in labs and stuff. I'm not a lab person, but my wife is, etc.. and you only come back with some off-beat Dr (supposedly anyway) story, like the Russia gate thing. Sorry, but this is so wrong and statistics show it, as does the life expectancy, baby survival rates and lack of true epidemics and pandemics for the past century.

Worse, either falsely or accidently espousing this hurts real people, as said before your dispensing medical advise w/o a license (according to the LDS FF of medical advise) and if ONE person dies from you saying this your a MURDERER. I mean that is the level of accusation on FF, is it not? You've been warned. Pretty tired, frankly of both sides claiming "facts" and "truths" while avoiding the real world science.

This isn't the flat earth and fake NASA BS on here as NASA cannot hurt you and no one has fallen off the edge of the flat earth no matter how hard they try. But, keeping an innocent, but slightly less intelligent person from being vaxed and getting polio or measles and dying because of your post is a risk.

Here are a few notable doctors who have sought after, and found, some truth in what diseases are and their causes:

T.C. Fry wrote, “Actually bacteria are our symbiotic partners in both health and disease. They serve a useful role. As scavengers, they make harmless or remove undesirable substances within our bodies. They also elaborate certain of our body needs. That is, they help build complex organic compounds from simple ingredients. A notable example of this is the production of vitamin B-12 in our intestines.”

Fry also wrote, “‘Infection’ is no war in which the body is fighting invaders. The bacteria that come to these sites are symbiotic and help the body in elaborating dead cells and tissues for expulsion-they are partners in the cleanup process. When this has been accumulated the bacteria disappear and the wound heals. Infection…is a body-cleaning process for a body burdened with toxic materials.”

Dr. Alec Burton writes, “DO GERMS CAUSE DISEASE? Or could it be the other way around…first, the disease, then the germs. Natural Hygiene contends that germs do not cause disease. They are not the originators. Most diseases occur when people allow themselves to become enervated, that is, low in nerve energy. As a consequence, the organs of excretion fail to function normally and waste material accumulates in the body. When this waste continues to build up, exceeding the body’s toleration point, a crisis arises. The body, to offset this overabundance of poisonous matter, begins to react. The result of this reaction is sometimes a cold, the flu, pneumonia, or some such, depending on the individual. At this crisis point of elimination, germs may or may not be present. They are sure to come later, not to attack, but to assist in the cleanup or cleansing process.”

Dr. Virginia Vetrano writes, “Hygienists object to the germ theory of disease because germs do not cause disease. They may be present in disease processes, and they many complicate a disease with their waste products which can be very toxic at times, but the germ or virus alone is never the sole cause of disease.”

“Germs are saprophytes; that is, they live off dead and decaying organic matter. Bacteria are actually our benefactors. They decompose our excretions, helping to rid the system of them. Bacteria are non-toxic, and non-virulent as long as body secretions and excretions are normal. When toxemia exists, that is, when metabolic wastes accumulate in the system in excess, causing the secretions and excretions of the body to become abnormal and poisonous, a non-pathogenic bacterium can turn into a so-called pathogenic one simply by feeding on toxic wastes. Bacteria excrete toxic waste only when human secretions are abnormal and when the cells of the body are killed by excessive toxic saturation, bacteria go to work to disorganize them and help the body rid itself of dead tissue. ‘Disease-producing’ germs are often present in the absence of the disease they are supposed to cause. They are often found when an individual has not had the disease that a particular germ is supposed to cause and when the individual never develops the disease. Furthermore, in myriads of cases, a particular pathogenic germ is not present when the disease it is supposed to cause exists.”

Dr. Robert R. Gross wrote, “Germs do not cause disease! Nature never surrounded her children with enemies. It is the individual himself who makes disease possible in his own body because of poor living habits…Do mosquitoes make the water stagnant; or does stagnant water attract the mosquitoes? We should all be taught that germs are friends and scavengers attracted by disease, rather {than} enemies causing disease…As their internal environment is, so will be the attraction for any specific micro-organism…The germ theory and vaccination are kept going by commercialism.”

Dr. Herbert Shelton wrote, “Warmth, moisture, food-these are the causes that activate latent germs and arouse them to activity. They exist, all except the food, in the mouth, nose, and throat at all times. The food is thrown out into these, as excretions, in disease. The germs feed on the excretions. They are scavengers. They were never anything else and will never be anything else. They break up and consume the discharge from the tissues. This is the function ascribed to germs everywhere in nature outside the body and is their real and only function in disease. They are purifying and beneficial agents. The medical profession has worked itself into hysteria over the germ theory and is using it to exploit an all too credulous public. Germs are ubiquitous. They are in the air we breathe, the food we eat, the water we drink. We cannot escape them. We can destroy them only to a limited extent. It is folly to attempt to escape disease by attempting to destroy or escape germs. Once they are in the body the physician has no means of destroying them that will not, at the same time, destroy the patient. We cannot avoid germs. We must be proof against them. We have to accept them as one of the joys of life.” Rudolph Virchow, a great German scientist, repudiated the germ theory of disease. He said that disease brought on germs rather than germs causing disease.

Claude Bernard, Bechamp, and Tissot-great French scientists-all disproved the germ theory of disease. In Hans Selye’s book Stress of Life (Page 205), an account is recorded that Louis Pasteur, inventor of the germ theory of disease, admitted he was wrong. Sanitation is the only factor that has reduced the spread of the old-time scourges. If the germ theory were founded on facts, there would be no living being to read what is herein written, for germs are ubiquitous-they exist everywhere. In many diseases supposedly caused by a specific germ, that germ is not present. Contrariwise, specific germs said to cause a specific disease are present in huge proportions without the specific disease manifesting itself.

Dr. Virginia Vetrano writes, “Just remember that there are no contagious diseases, just contagious habits which lower your vitality. There have been many people who have had diphtheria and yet no germ could be found. The same can be said of tuberculosis and other diseases. This is why the virus had to be discovered-to save the germ theory. Now we have virus infections instead of germ infections because pathologists could not find a germ for all the diseases of mankind. If a germ does not cause disease, what does? Soon everyone will learn that it is the individual’s way of life that produces disease and not the saprophytes of earth, which are actually beneficial to us. Without them, we would all succumb. They do so many jobs for us that it would take volumes to tell you about them. In fact without bacterial life, all animal and plant life would soon wither and die. On second thought, without bacteria, we can’t even wither.”

Dr. Vetrano adds, “A truly healthy child can sleep with a person ‘infected’ with scarlet fever, mumps, measles or some of the other virulent so-called infections diseases, night after night, and still not develop the disease. But overfeed that same child and he will now develop a so-called infectious disease. This disease will not be due to germs, but due to putrefactive toxins absorbed from the digestive tract in an enervated and toxemic individual.”

[Obeone]

Furthermore, speaking in Jehovah's name when He did not command them to speak is a grievous sin. They did this multiple times.

They did not speak in the name of the Lord. That is the problem. We haven't heard "Thus saith the Lord" in over 100 years. That is a problem.

And you are wrong about everything else in this post. They are honorable servants of God, doing their best.

[JohnnyL]

Before, millions of people died from smallpox.

Now, nobody dies from smallpox.

If only there was something to explain why now nobody dies of smallpox...

Ah yes, the vaccine!

Antivaxxer: TRIGGERED!!!!

What was the cause of smallpox? How was it transmitted? How were so many healed?
If you can answer those, you'll know why people don't die from smallpox.

My own theory as to why the native americans succumbed to smallpox like no other is because of their filthy living habits. I can't prove this, and I know how politically incorrect it is, but this is what I think.

I have read some journals of fur trappers from the 1700's who describe native americans as absolutely filthy people. If you could rate levels of personal filthiness, the indian tribes the fur trappers dealth with would have been rated XXX. When Nephi calls them "filthy and loathsome", believe me, he was being a master of understatement.
Even the fur trappers were grossed out by them, so that's pretty bad.

Cleanliness is the first and best defense against disease. Soap and water could even take out covid. There was a story about an elementary school teacher who put a stamp on each of her students hands at the start of the day with an admonition to wash it off by the time they went home, which took several washings. That teacher never had student staying home with a cold, flu, etc. Not one. And she had years with 100% attendance.

You would think that if the government or boss could mandate vaccines, they could just as easily make you get your hand stamped stamped and not let you go home until it was washed off. ha ha. Sounds better than a vaccine mandate. And it works, too.

But devils advocate, I heard two doctors talking at work one day about a seminar they had gone to. Somewhere in this seminar they were told to tell their patients to eat better, lower stress, lose weight, stop all the couch potato beer drinking, have good self care habits, etc, and do more natural things to fix their health problems. These guys were both complaining that if they really started giving out this kind of advice they would lose all their patients. After all, the patients came to get a quick fix magic bullet medical solution along with a lot of sympathetic attention, not be told THEY had to do something...

Those guys just might have had just a little bit of a point there.

Yup. Bed bugs transmitted the disease; the natural doctors found that out, got rid of them, and smallpox stopped being transmitted.

Ha ha, like the stamped hand idea. Hopefully the ink wasn't (too) poisonous...

I asked a doctor why they prescribed antibiotics for colds and flus. They said they had to, or their patients would go to another doctor who would, and stay there.

Western medicine has to be around because people want a quick fix to their problems. It's like paying high interest on a loan that you really feel/ might really need.