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ibaconi wrote: ↑May 11th, 2023, 6:52 pm I'm a highly educated folklorist. M.A. and years of research. Various religions being some of the most potent and enduring folkloric genres in existence has kept my interest in religions as well as politics alive all of my life. I grew up in one of the VERY few non Mormon families in the town I grew up in. In fact, I didn't know there was such a thing as a non-Mormon until I was probably 7 years old. My family wanting me to fit in comfortably in the local community and aware of the natural prejudicial nature of people in general. It didn't work, of course, the parents of my friends knew my family was non-Mormon. My father finally broke his silence on the topic during the Civil Rights awakening that went on during the 60s. The LDS people tend to be magnificently good people, but at that time their racial prejudice was profound. We were taught in Sunday School that one day "negroes" would become righteous, and when they did, their skin would become pale and they would eventually be allowed to hold the priesthood. My father had been watching the news and explaining to me what was happening to Black America. He would explain the frustration they had to have been facing being up against principally the same party that fought to maintain slavery, the demonicrats, who were now fighting against Civil Rights, which my father carefully explained were human rights, and he pointed out to me, for the first time that those people are lying to you in church. He told me Young said, "no n--ger will ever hold the Priesthood." I can find no direct quotation of that but other racial statements are east to find: "“we just as well give mules the right to vote as negroes and Indians.” The church has now long been involved in the effort to justify this racial nature, claiming such things as a "divine purpose" in the racial ban but I've yet to hear any logic or example resonating from that claim.

Thus it must be said that I am rather a skeptic, yet rather intrigued by the success of the LDS church and the goodness of most of its members. Everything I can find Biblically, historically, aprocriphalic and otherwise indicates the personal nature of the Christian faith. There is indeed a great deal of truth to be found but I find the elimination of ultimate glory (the Celestial Kingdom) being restricted to the baptized, a prejudice not far removed in type from not allowing Blacks to hold the priesthood or enter the Temple (which Joseph Smith did allow).

The bottom line is my fascination is both of a folkloric AND spiritual pursuit. My intent will never be to offend... well.... certain exceptions such as pedophiles whom I'll freely and openly oppose and offend...

ibaconi wrote: ↑May 11th, 2023, 6:52 pm I'm a highly educated folklorist. M.A. and years of research. Various religions being some of the most potent and enduring folkloric genres in existence has kept my interest in religions as well as politics alive all of my life. I grew up in one of the VERY few non Mormon families in the town I grew up in. In fact, I didn't know there was such a thing as a non-Mormon until I was probably 7 years old. My family wanting me to fit in comfortably in the local community and aware of the natural prejudicial nature of people in general. It didn't work, of course, the parents of my friends knew my family was non-Mormon. My father finally broke his silence on the topic during the Civil Rights awakening that went on during the 60s. The LDS people tend to be magnificently good people, but at that time their racial prejudice was profound. We were taught in Sunday School that one day "negroes" would become righteous, and when they did, their skin would become pale and they would eventually be allowed to hold the priesthood. My father had been watching the news and explaining to me what was happening to Black America. He would explain the frustration they had to have been facing being up against principally the same party that fought to maintain slavery, the demonicrats, who were now fighting against Civil Rights, which my father carefully explained were human rights, and he pointed out to me, for the first time that those people are lying to you in church. He told me Young said, "no n--ger will ever hold the Priesthood." I can find no direct quotation of that but other racial statements are east to find: "“we just as well give mules the right to vote as negroes and Indians.” The church has now long been involved in the effort to justify this racial nature, claiming such things as a "divine purpose" in the racial ban but I've yet to hear any logic or example resonating from that claim.

Thus it must be said that I am rather a skeptic, yet rather intrigued by the success of the LDS church and the goodness of most of its members. Everything I can find Biblically, historically, aprocriphalic and otherwise indicates the personal nature of the Christian faith. There is indeed a great deal of truth to be found but I find the elimination of ultimate glory (the Celestial Kingdom) being restricted to the baptized, a prejudice not far removed in type from not allowing Blacks to hold the priesthood or enter the Temple (which Joseph Smith did allow).

The bottom line is my fascination is both of a folkloric AND spiritual pursuit. My intent will never be to offend... well.... certain exceptions such as pedophiles whom I'll freely and openly oppose and offend...

Please allow me to introduce myself... I'm a highly educated folklorist.

ibaconi wrote: ↑May 11th, 2023, 6:52 pm I'm a highly educated folklorist. M.A. and years of research. Various religions being some of the most potent and enduring folkloric genres in existence has kept my interest in religions as well as politics alive all of my life. I grew up in one of the VERY few non Mormon families in the town I grew up in. In fact, I didn't know there was such a thing as a non-Mormon until I was probably 7 years old. My family wanting me to fit in comfortably in the local community and aware of the natural prejudicial nature of people in general. It didn't work, of course, the parents of my friends knew my family was non-Mormon. My father finally broke his silence on the topic during the Civil Rights awakening that went on during the 60s. The LDS people tend to be magnificently good people, but at that time their racial prejudice was profound. We were taught in Sunday School that one day "negroes" would become righteous, and when they did, their skin would become pale and they would eventually be allowed to hold the priesthood. My father had been watching the news and explaining to me what was happening to Black America. He would explain the frustration they had to have been facing being up against principally the same party that fought to maintain slavery, the demonicrats, who were now fighting against Civil Rights, which my father carefully explained were human rights, and he pointed out to me, for the first time that those people are lying to you in church. He told me Young said, "no n--ger will ever hold the Priesthood." I can find no direct quotation of that but other racial statements are east to find: "“we just as well give mules the right to vote as negroes and Indians.” The church has now long been involved in the effort to justify this racial nature, claiming such things as a "divine purpose" in the racial ban but I've yet to hear any logic or example resonating from that claim.

Thus it must be said that I am rather a skeptic, yet rather intrigued by the success of the LDS church and the goodness of most of its members. Everything I can find Biblically, historically, aprocriphalic and otherwise indicates the personal nature of the Christian faith. There is indeed a great deal of truth to be found but I find the elimination of ultimate glory (the Celestial Kingdom) being restricted to the baptized, a prejudice not far removed in type from not allowing Blacks to hold the priesthood or enter the Temple (which Joseph Smith did allow).

The bottom line is my fascination is both of a folkloric AND spiritual pursuit. My intent will never be to offend... well.... certain exceptions such as pedophiles whom I'll freely and openly oppose and offend...

Elizabeth wrote: ↑May 17th, 2023, 7:17 am It is not just the colour of the Negro, it is their distinctive features which separate them from the Aryan.
Our Heavenly Father separated the races and confounded the languages, it is His will and purpose.
All races should prefer their own, and stay with them.

ibaconi wrote: ↑May 11th, 2023, 6:52 pm I'm a highly educated folklorist. M.A. and years of research. Various religions being some of the most potent and enduring folkloric genres in existence has kept my interest in religions as well as politics alive all of my life. I grew up in one of the VERY few non Mormon families in the town I grew up in. In fact, I didn't know there was such a thing as a non-Mormon until I was probably 7 years old. My family wanting me to fit in comfortably in the local community and aware of the natural prejudicial nature of people in general. It didn't work, of course, the parents of my friends knew my family was non-Mormon. My father finally broke his silence on the topic during the Civil Rights awakening that went on during the 60s. The LDS people tend to be magnificently good people, but at that time their racial prejudice was profound. We were taught in Sunday School that one day "negroes" would become righteous, and when they did, their skin would become pale and they would eventually be allowed to hold the priesthood. My father had been watching the news and explaining to me what was happening to Black America. He would explain the frustration they had to have been facing being up against principally the same party that fought to maintain slavery, the demonicrats, who were now fighting against Civil Rights, which my father carefully explained were human rights, and he pointed out to me, for the first time that those people are lying to you in church. He told me Young said, "no n--ger will ever hold the Priesthood." I can find no direct quotation of that but other racial statements are east to find: "“we just as well give mules the right to vote as negroes and Indians.” The church has now long been involved in the effort to justify this racial nature, claiming such things as a "divine purpose" in the racial ban but I've yet to hear any logic or example resonating from that claim.

Thus it must be said that I am rather a skeptic, yet rather intrigued by the success of the LDS church and the goodness of most of its members. Everything I can find Biblically, historically, aprocriphalic and otherwise indicates the personal nature of the Christian faith. There is indeed a great deal of truth to be found but I find the elimination of ultimate glory (the Celestial Kingdom) being restricted to the baptized, a prejudice not far removed in type from not allowing Blacks to hold the priesthood or enter the Temple (which Joseph Smith did allow).

The bottom line is my fascination is both of a folkloric AND spiritual pursuit. My intent will never be to offend... well.... certain exceptions such as pedophiles whom I'll freely and openly oppose and offend...

Nevervaxxed wrote: ↑May 18th, 2023, 9:09 am Has anyone seen the new vid on YouTube entitled "Framing Joseph" yet? If you can watch that and still not see when and where the church fell, please post your pic in Webster's dictionary under the definition of "Cognitive Dissonence".

Nevervaxxed wrote: ↑May 18th, 2023, 3:31 pm If you just say "Framing Joseph" on youtube it comes right up, but here's the link:

https://youtu.be/CKCV73BBaB0

nightlight wrote: ↑May 12th, 2023, 5:48 am I suppose most would people think I'm racist

I believe God is a white man and so was Adam. But I don't dislike anyone because their skin tone. (But the hilarious thing is if a black person thinks God is black, it's not racist lmao )

I do believe in white excellence. But even that's not really a belief, it's factual....


I don't care if people think I'm racist.... I'd take a bullet for a black or white child.

White racism is the LEAST of our problems...