"I then received a perfect knowledge..." Lorenzo Snow

[InfoWarrior82]

We have evidence that he had a personal interview with the Lord in the Salt Lake Temple. Many years before that experience, as a new member of the church he had this experience.

To a general conference congregation, Elder Snow said: “Brethren and sisters, my testimony is that this is the work of God in which we are engaged. I had not been in this Church two weeks when the Lord revealed to me a knowledge that He was God, and that He sent His Son into the world to be crucified for the sins of the world. No man ever did or ever could receive a more perfect knowledge in regard to the existence of God and of the truth of this work than God gave to me by revelation and the opening of the heavens.”https://www.ldsliving.com/remembering-p ... le/s/94626

“I had no sooner opened my lips in an effort to pray, than I heard a sound, just above my head, like the rustling of silken robes, and immediately the Spirit of God descended upon me, completely enveloping my whole person, filling me from the crown of my head to the soles of my feet, and O, the joy and happiness I felt! No language can describe the instantaneous transition from a dense cloud of mental and spiritual darkness into a refulgence of light and knowledge, as it was at that time imparted to my understanding. I then received a perfect knowledge that God lives, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and of the restoration of the Holy Priesthood, and the fullness of the gospel..."
For more on his early experience see this.https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... h?lang=ase

These accounts have one thing in common: they play on the hopes of the listener that someone out there has seen God. People are desperate to connect with heaven. They're desperate to assure themselves that there is life after life. That there is a God in heaven. These stories play on those hopes and dreams by saying something like "I had an experience that transcends the mortal world" or "There is nothing that could be closer to the opening of the heavens than what happened to me." etc. Lorenzo does the same thing. He plays on the hopes and dreams of others:

"No man ever did or ever could receive a more perfect knowledge in regard to the existence of God and of the truth of this work than God gave to me by revelation and the opening of the heavens.”

Then everyone who is hoping for some sort of connection is made whole by the "almost" words of Lorenzo or whomever is making the claims. Notice that in these stories no one ever says God stood before me. Jesus let me touch the nail prints in his hands. Etc. etc. etc. Its always "No man ever did or ever could receive a more perfect knowledge in regard to the existence of God and of the truth of this work than God gave to me by revelation and the opening of the heavens.” And then he lets the imagination of the hearer fill in all the missing pieces and we end up with all sorts of faith promoting rumors about Jesus walking the temple grounds with church leaders or sitting at the conference room table to make plans about the next pandemic response and how we can convince every member to get the shot.

You nailed it.

[TheDuke]

Yeah, well, ok about out the details as I said before. But, after an experience like this you do know god lives or that there is a god or supernatural being. As I said you can feel he is a person and such. but, as I said, other testimonies associated with it seem to be interpretations.

As, stated anyone can have a relationship with deity, even those that don't believe in Jesus. but the relationship and benefits occur at different levels there are many mansions. I don't for one minute feel those who don't accept Jesus (even if they don't recognize him at the time), will advance, even into the Terrestrial, as it seems baptism of water is required to get out of the Telestial. In my understanding.

BTW, I never denied that he was in the presence of god, nor that he got a personal testimony to follow Joseph, et al.

[Ymarsakar]

Two accounts of very dear friends of mine, one is Denis a Born Again Christian, the other is Jim whom at the time of his dramatic healing was a Christian seeking a church to settle down in.....

The hindoo family took their daughter up to the alter to be prayed for......
A young Scottish Christian Denis Beedie , put his hands apon the hindoo woman in the wheelchair and called apon Jesus to heal her..........
She arose from the wheelchair completely healed of an incurable malady..........
Jim was a seeker of truth, he attended a christian crusade set up by an american born again preacher in N/E scotland.........
The preacher laid his hands apon Jim and he was immediatly healed of an incurable back problem.....
Such wonders, signs, healings and casting out of devils are to be witnessed amongst the varied groups of Christians today..........
Speaking in tongues are occuring amongst christians of many diverse congregations, churchs once dull and lifeless are beginning to experience the day of Pentecost in their midst, all in fullfillment of ancient prophecy............
Something wonderfull is happening for it is occuring all over the earth spontaneously and thru this outpouring of Gods grace the Christians once so fragmented are beginning to rally around the foot of the cross and unite, casting aside their differences thru their common bond of love for Jesus and what He done for them there............
Its as if the Lord is drawing them together as He is drawing the Israelites back to Jerusalem in preparation in these last days for His return to this earth....

I am curious about how long these who were healed, how long did they love afterwards?

Live noy love

A goodly question that deserves a goodly answer.
Denis the born Again Christian has been a lifelong friend, a very, very humble and meek man, a man of much prayer and fasting, indeed on occasions he has fasted Forty days, in the midst of such a lengthy fast he was given by the Saviour a Ministery of healing.
The Hindu woman dramaticly healed was a young woman, a specialist nurse in a specialist ward in london for people with some incurable illness, she fell ill with said illness. After her healing by the Lord thru the ministery of my friend Denis, she became a devout Christian and married my friend Denis, and acompanied him on his ministery to many lands including India, she recently passed away living to a ripe old age.
I personaly sat in their home and she recounted the healing to me.
The other healing of my friend Jim the seeker of a church to settle in was healed in the late 1970s, he was still alive and well in 1993, I last heard of him in around 2010.

Thanks for the info. One of my callings is to gather intel that may be useful.

And no this calling was not from the lds or nsa heh

[Ymarsakar]

This is due more to the ego perceptions and filters everyone has. Even prophets will "translate" or "filter" what they get through their own language and social norms.

I've read accounts from both sides and they don't match up at all. Some Buddhists claim very few people gain enlightenment in any given period. Some think Gautama is the only one to gain it within the historic period. Most Buddhists and Hindus suggest a lot of work must be put into spiritual practice to gain this. Many Christians, in contrast, tend to suggest that not much actual effort need be put into such a thing, it is more a matter of faith.

Buddhism and Hinduism are also far more works-based than Christianity is, even in its RC and Orthodox varieties. Dharmic religions are riddled with false exits and the philosophies of men, in their traditional forms. They can be very doctrinaire. I rate some forms more highly than others e.g. Advaita, but the same could be said about Christianity. I see little evidence that most self-described Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc have the more profound experiences. (When I say Christians here, I am including work-a-day Roman Catholics, Protestants etc who inherit their religion.)

I don't think it is necessarily about cultural filters at all. Many of these people having these experiences have had little previous knowledge of the other, so quite the opposite is happening. I have seen some Dharmic-style practices occur in churches, e.g. making people fall over by pressing their foreheads.

It appears to me that the religion or belief system is almost irrelevant. Some people are born into this world to reach higher levels of spiritual understanding. Doctrine and ritual are irrelevant to those that walk the narrow path because those few don't have to try to be unselfish or "righteous", they are born that way and to take the next steps is very natural to them. The living of a life of asceticism isn't necessary . LDS teachings are actually quite ascetic. The LDS way, in general, is to earn your way to heaven through self discipline.

Buddha, of course walked the ascetic path at first and found it to be futile. It's about letting go of the bodily concepts and attachments.

Ascetism is likr a bible. It is a set of training wheels. Perhaps in their next life they will br ready to graduate to sans trainers.

Buddha had already learned the lessons. Thus he could ride and needed no trainers. He and jeshua both refused to write stuff down. Buddha even commanded his disciples not to write down his words. Took about 100 years before they got the guts to write em down.

I was unaware of religious sects and their details until around 2017

[TheChristian]

This seems like a baptism of fire event that a lot of Christians describe. Nothing unique to LDS at all.

Oh, but it is. You brought up other Christians. Many of those would say that Lorenzo Snow couldn't possibly have had an event like this because Mormons are not Christians. Secondly, in his telling he says I then received a perfect knowledge that God lives, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and of the restoration of the Holy Priesthood, and the fullness of the gospel.And last but not least, Most other Christians(some do) from other faiths do not claim "a baptism of fire event". I could write more about this, but I post enough on this last subject to suffice for now.

Pentecostals and Charismatics claim to have them all the time.

In my youth, in the small fishing town of Fraserburgh there was a group of mostly devout christian fisherfolks that gathered together in a church building called the Assemblies of God.
Since I recently had an encounter with the Lord, I went to that church for it was the very church the Christian went to whom prayed with me when I had said first encounter.
I recall sitting quietly in the congregation, that the very same wonderfull power I had first encountered, kept falling apon me, I could not stop weeping, it was such a deep, deep soul rendering weeping, of conviction of sin, of the wonderfull reality of Jesus and of his all consuming love and almighty power.
I seen that personage of light sweep thru that congregation as they arose in glorious melody, singing in tongues and praising the lord, I knew that very same Sacred Spirit that I was experiencing that many of them were also, that He was guiding them in praise, prayer and song, I watched as old fishermen sang with tears in their eyes, singing so gently and finely in the Gift of Tongues, of womens voices intermingling as they also sang in tongues, there was no wild outbursts, no shakings, tremblings, shouting and screamings, wild waving of arms or staggerings or falling apon the floor, rather all was done so tenderly and gently oft with uplifted hands, the singing was so beautifull, so heavenly, so sincere, there was no learned men or women amongst them just simple hard working fisherfolks.
I will never forget that heavenly chorus and that Sacred Spirit that led it.