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Joseph Smith Highly Esteemed? Results and Analysis of Completed Poll

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There is a verse in 2 Nephi 3 that states:

7 Yea, Joseph truly said: Thus saith the Lord unto me: A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins; and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins. And unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren, which shall be of great worth unto them, even to the bringing of them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers.

Some things to consider:
1) Was JS a choice seer; or only temporarily gifted to possess the interpreters long enough to translate the Book of Mormon?
2) Can it be clearly proved that JS was of the fruit of the loins of Joseph; or was he simply a gentile as inferred in the title page of the Book of Mormon?
3) Given the results of the poll (see above) Joseph Smith vs. The Choice Seer, can it be stated that he is highly esteemed among the fruit of the loins of Joseph?
4) Are those familiar with the Book of Mormon truly considered the fruit of the loins of Joseph?
5) Has anything JS done turned out to be of great worth to the fruit of the loins of Joseph?
6) Has the fruit of the loins of Joseph yet been brought to the knowledge of the covenants?
7) Are you certain who are the fruit of the loins of Joseph?

MESSAGE TO JOSEPH SMITH
Thank you Joseph Smith for having the faith to penetrate the veil, and after a number of years of hard repentance to bring yourself to be able to translate the Book of Mormon and facilitate its printing. I am so very grateful for the Book of Mormon! Again, thank you!

Joseph shame on you for relapsing to wanting the approval of men. Sidney and others were hard forces to recon with. I can't image the challenge it was to be around an adoring group. I sincerely hope you fare well at the day of judgement.

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Starseed volunteer to earth to help save a foolish humanity.

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Sorry the content was taken away by me because I fat-fingered where it was supposed to go.

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JRM wrote: April 17th, 2023, 7:13 am
There is a verse in 2 Nephi 3 that states:

7 Yea, Joseph truly said: Thus saith the Lord unto me: A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins; and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins. And unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren, which shall be of great worth unto them, even to the bringing of them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers.
This is something we never seem to make much progress on here on this forum, few seem to want to address it.

How does JS match the Joseph the Seer prophecy?

Some things he did and others he clearly didn't, so what does a partial match mean?

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Shawn Henry wrote: June 5th, 2023, 2:41 pm
JRM wrote: April 17th, 2023, 7:13 am
There is a verse in 2 Nephi 3 that states:

7 Yea, Joseph truly said: Thus saith the Lord unto me: A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins; and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins. And unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren, which shall be of great worth unto them, even to the bringing of them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers.
This is something we never seem to make much progress on here on this forum, few seem to want to address it.

How does JS match the Joseph the Seer prophecy?

Some things he did and others he clearly didn't, so what does a partial match mean?
It means satan messed some people up.

2020 is a great example. Many predicted Donald would win in a landslide. That didn't happen. What happened?

SATAN happened, heh.

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Ymarsakar wrote: June 5th, 2023, 5:33 pm
Shawn Henry wrote: June 5th, 2023, 2:41 pm
JRM wrote: April 17th, 2023, 7:13 am
There is a verse in 2 Nephi 3 that states:

7 Yea, Joseph truly said: Thus saith the Lord unto me: A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins; and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins. And unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren, which shall be of great worth unto them, even to the bringing of them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers.
This is something we never seem to make much progress on here on this forum, few seem to want to address it.

How does JS match the Joseph the Seer prophecy?

Some things he did and others he clearly didn't, so what does a partial match mean?
It means satan messed some people up.

2020 is a great example. Many predicted Donald would win in a landslide. That didn't happen. What happened?

SATAN happened, heh.
Donald still spoke at WEF and who bailed out his casinos? Rothschilds

As far as Josepm Smith matching and non matching. I guess it is your choice if he is a seer or not.

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If you can't swim and don't understand any books about swimming, you can decide if someone is a good swimmer or not?
Good & Global wrote: June 5th, 2023, 5:54 pm
Ymarsakar wrote: June 5th, 2023, 5:33 pm
Shawn Henry wrote: June 5th, 2023, 2:41 pm
This is something we never seem to make much progress on here on this forum, few seem to want to address it.

How does JS match the Joseph the Seer prophecy?

Some things he did and others he clearly didn't, so what does a partial match mean?
It means satan messed some people up.

2020 is a great example. Many predicted Donald would win in a landslide. That didn't happen. What happened?

SATAN happened, heh.
Donald still spoke at WEF and who bailed out his casinos? Rothschilds

As far as Josepm Smith matching and non matching. I guess it is your choice if he is a seer or not.

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Joseph is the one mighty and strong, mentioned in D&C 85. We know this from D&C 101:50-61 and D&C 103. Sure, Joseph had to repent at times, which he did. But Joseph died innocent of the blood of that generation and he is the marred servant mentioned by Isaiah who will be given as an ensign to the nations.

The world and the Church were not worthy of Joseph Smith even then, and they certainly aren't now. Most people can no more comprehend him and what he went through for the benefit of mankind than they can comprehend Enoch and the City of Zion or the nature of matter, energy, and spirit (me included).

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MESSAGE TO JOSEPH SMITH
Thank you Joseph Smith for having the faith to penetrate the veil, and after a number of years of hard repentance to bring yourself to be able to translate the Book of Mormon and facilitate its printing. I am so very grateful for the Book of Mormon! Again, thank you!

Joseph shame on you for relapsing to wanting the approval of men. Sidney and others were hard forces to recon with. I can't image the challenge it was to be around an adoring group. I sincerely hope you fare well at the day of judgement.
20 … When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die… (Ezekiel 3)

2 Remember, remember, that it is not the work of God that is frustrated, but the work of men: for although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet, if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at nought the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will, and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him. (Book of Commandments 2)

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Did someone ask Ezekiel about Joseph Smith or are you just cherry picking the words of dead people and using them as a sock puppet like many religious people do?

Instead of -Ezekiel 3 it should be -CaptainM's user

Book of Commandments might want to look at the secret societies that has been in charge of Earth for x thousands of years. It doesn't look good for religions like this, when the guilty are free from prosecution and the innocent are dead quickly.

How long before this "vengeance" falls on the secret societies? HOw long are you all supposed to wait here, another 26k years?

Have you people ever heard of Epstein and adrenochrome? Where is this mythical vengeance at?

Or is this mere fantasy the mere imaginations of mortals, as usual, using words they don't understand from people they don't understand.

CaptainM wrote: June 6th, 2023, 3:28 am
MESSAGE TO JOSEPH SMITH
Thank you Joseph Smith for having the faith to penetrate the veil, and after a number of years of hard repentance to bring yourself to be able to translate the Book of Mormon and facilitate its printing. I am so very grateful for the Book of Mormon! Again, thank you!

Joseph shame on you for relapsing to wanting the approval of men. Sidney and others were hard forces to recon with. I can't image the challenge it was to be around an adoring group. I sincerely hope you fare well at the day of judgement.
20 … When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die… (Ezekiel 3)

2 Remember, remember, that it is not the work of God that is frustrated, but the work of men: for although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet, if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at nought the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will, and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him. (Book of Commandments 2)

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Ymarsakar wrote: June 6th, 2023, 3:53 am Did someone ask Ezekiel about Joseph Smith or are you just cherry picking the words of dead people and using them as a sock puppet like many religious people do?

Instead of -Ezekiel 3 it should be -CaptainM's user

Book of Commandments might want to look at the secret societies that has been in charge of Earth for x thousands of years. It doesn't look good for religions like this, when the guilty are free from prosecution and the innocent are dead quickly.

How long before this "vengeance" falls on the secret societies? HOw long are you all supposed to wait here, another 26k years?

Have you people ever heard of Epstein and adrenochrome? Where is this mythical vengeance at?

Or is this mere fantasy the mere imaginations of mortals, as usual, using words they don't understand from people they don't understand.

CaptainM wrote: June 6th, 2023, 3:28 am
MESSAGE TO JOSEPH SMITH
Thank you Joseph Smith for having the faith to penetrate the veil, and after a number of years of hard repentance to bring yourself to be able to translate the Book of Mormon and facilitate its printing. I am so very grateful for the Book of Mormon! Again, thank you!

Joseph shame on you for relapsing to wanting the approval of men. Sidney and others were hard forces to recon with. I can't image the challenge it was to be around an adoring group. I sincerely hope you fare well at the day of judgement.
20 … When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die… (Ezekiel 3)

2 Remember, remember, that it is not the work of God that is frustrated, but the work of men: for although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet, if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at nought the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will, and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him. (Book of Commandments 2)
Sorry to be this way, but I have learned to ignore your posts.

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That's ok, since God ignores your views about Joseph Smith and misusing bible authors.

Remember, it's not the words of god when they come out misquoted from internet accounts. It's just the words of CaptainM's user behind that account.
CaptainM wrote: June 6th, 2023, 4:10 am
Sorry to be this way, but I have learned to ignore your posts.

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Good & Global wrote: June 5th, 2023, 5:54 pm As far as Joseph Smith matching and non matching. I guess it is your choice if he is a seer or not.
That's the simple answer, but it's too simple. We miss the complexity.

What I'm saying is that he rightfully matches some of the things in the prophecy and he rightfully doesn't match others. Both are on purpose. It is a prophecy that has a two-part fulfillment. Joseph pre-fulfilled certain portions, but the primary fulfillment is yet to come, it is during the Marvelous Work and a Wonder.

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Ymarsakar wrote: June 6th, 2023, 3:53 am Did someone ask Ezekiel about Joseph Smith or are you just cherry picking the words of dead people and using them as a sock puppet like many religious people do?

Instead of -Ezekiel 3 it should be -CaptainM's user

Book of Commandments might want to look at the secret societies that has been in charge of Earth for x thousands of years. It doesn't look good for religions like this, when the guilty are free from prosecution and the innocent are dead quickly.

How long before this "vengeance" falls on the secret societies? HOw long are you all supposed to wait here, another 26k years?

Have you people ever heard of Epstein and adrenochrome? Where is this mythical vengeance at?

Or is this mere fantasy the mere imaginations of mortals, as usual, using words they don't understand from people they don't understand.
You lost me with this one. How does this relate to the topic?
Ymarsakar wrote: June 6th, 2023, 4:12 am That's ok, since God ignores your views about Joseph Smith and misusing bible authors.
What misuse are you talking about? Doesn't one first have to make the case of misuse before leveling the accusation?

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CaptainM wrote: June 6th, 2023, 3:28 am 20 … When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die… (Ezekiel 3)

2 Remember, remember, that it is not the work of God that is frustrated, but the work of men: for although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet, if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at nought the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will, and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him. (Book of Commandments 2)
I think this is a good catch. We can definitely see the similarites.

Watcher said he has looking into how the Lord says that he declares the end from the beginning and how that is literal. Meaning, in the beginning of a work, the Lord declares what will happen in that work up to the end. He declared right from the beginning that Joseph would boast of his own strength and set at nought the counsels of God. We look at it as a simple warning, but it is also the Lord cryptically declaring what will happen. How else does he declare the end from the beginning?

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I quoted the material I was replying to.
Shawn Henry wrote: June 6th, 2023, 10:41 am
Ymarsakar wrote: June 6th, 2023, 3:53 am Did someone ask Ezekiel about Joseph Smith or are you just cherry picking the words of dead people and using them as a sock puppet like many religious people do?

Instead of -Ezekiel 3 it should be -CaptainM's user

Book of Commandments might want to look at the secret societies that has been in charge of Earth for x thousands of years. It doesn't look good for religions like this, when the guilty are free from prosecution and the innocent are dead quickly.

How long before this "vengeance" falls on the secret societies? HOw long are you all supposed to wait here, another 26k years?

Have you people ever heard of Epstein and adrenochrome? Where is this mythical vengeance at?

Or is this mere fantasy the mere imaginations of mortals, as usual, using words they don't understand from people they don't understand.
You lost me with this one. How does this relate to the topic?
Ymarsakar wrote: June 6th, 2023, 4:12 am That's ok, since God ignores your views about Joseph Smith and misusing bible authors.
What misuse are you talking about? Doesn't one first have to make the case of misuse before leveling the accusation?

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