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https://www.newsweek.com/china-using-mo ... ds-1790607

"Under General Secretary Xi Jinping, China has dramatically expanded its efforts to shape the attitudes and actions of people outside its borders in ways that advance the CCP's [Chinese Communist Party's] objectives," the remarks read.

Frank Montoya Jr., a retired FBI counterintelligence agent based in Utah, told the AP that China's efforts in the state were a significant test of its ability to influence other regions.

"Utah is an important foothold," Montoya said. "If the Chinese can succeed in Salt Lake City, they can also make it in New York and elsewhere."

Some examples of Chinese attempts at influence in Utah included getting legislation nixed that would have barred the establishment of "Confucius Institutes" at state colleges, as well as a letter exchange between General Secretary Xi and fourth-grade classes in the state. The latter effort, according to the AP, generated significant coverage in state-level media.

Newsweek reached out to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints' press office via email for comment. Newsweek also reached out to experts at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace for insight.

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I bet this is a 'Be nice to China to let our temples be built' stance. Thing is, China doesn't care what the church wants only that it benefits the CCP.

CSIS in Canada has been leaking a lot of info about the CCP in the last few years, most recently election interference. Our governments are sorely lacking when it comes to standing up to China.

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That was a weird article. I noticed they mentioned many times, but never linked once, to an "AP study". Many links throughout the article to other things, but not that.

And though it's in the headline: "China Using Mormon Church to Influence U.S. Politics, Investigation Finds", there's not a single mention or even hint about what type of influence or using there might have been.

Not to mention a typo.

Lame article, Newsweek.

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I'm sure it's just a coincidence that inroads were made when secret society member President Nelson, who loves to talk about his special relationship with the Chinese, came to power.

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LDS Church leaders are easily flattered suckers. There is one born every minute in Utah.

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Christianlee wrote: March 27th, 2023, 1:00 pm LDS Church leaders are easily flattered suckers. There is one born every minute in Utah.


RMN wants Grandpa Xi in his downline , double diamond status...

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Told some TBMs about this. They said it was a misleading article about LDS Church connections. I note the Church hasn’t commented.

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JohnnyL wrote: March 27th, 2023, 11:45 am That was a weird article. I noticed they mentioned many times, but never linked once, to an "AP study". Many links throughout the article to other things, but not that.

And though it's in the headline: "China Using Mormon Church to Influence U.S. Politics, Investigation Finds", there's not a single mention or even hint about what type of influence or using there might have been.

Not to mention a typo.

Lame article, Newsweek.
If it happens in Utah you can bet the LDS Church is involved.


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It's actually NOT that surprising...

President Nelson has long been considered to be a close friend to China ever since his surgeries over there and his professorships that he held in a couple of universities in the region. He speaks Mandarin reasonably well and has earned a lot of close contacts over the years there.

In 2015 he was formally declared as such by Chinese authorities, even getting an honorary certificate for it.

https://www.deseret.com/2015/10/29/2057 ... teractions.

Even more noteworthy on that specific trip, was that then Elder Nelson's trip over there, a certain Elder Gong, now an Apostle, was with him there, and had this to say:

"The room lights up when President Nelson speaks to them in Chinese," Elder Gong said. "The Chinese understand and trust President Russell M. Nelson, because they know him, and they admire him and they love him, and because of that trust, he's respected and able to do things that can only be done by someone who has those very long-term, deep relationships."

Then Elder Nelson added this:

"The Chinese people place a lot of confidence in those relationships of trust that have been built over many years. In the American way of life we have what I call a hit-and-run mentality where we never really get deeply acquainted with very many people. We have short, quick appointments and then run, we catch the airplane and go on to the next appointment. But the Chinese people value those long-term relationships, and I'm really pleased that I'm regarded here as one of their old friends."

"It's very significant that after my long career in cardiac surgery, the last surgical operation that I ever did was in the People's Republic of China," he said, adding, "it's very significant, personally, and who knows, the story isn't over yet. We don't know what the future will be."

An old friend of China, eh?

Could it be a catalyst for added protections for the LDS Church in China...or could it have been the other way around...ensuring that China infiltrated the Church and the state of Utah???

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Lizzy60 wrote: March 27th, 2023, 10:49 am https://www.newsweek.com/china-using-mo ... ds-1790607

"Under General Secretary Xi Jinping, China has dramatically expanded its efforts to shape the attitudes and actions of people outside its borders in ways that advance the CCP's [Chinese Communist Party's] objectives," the remarks read.

Frank Montoya Jr., a retired FBI counterintelligence agent based in Utah, told the AP that China's efforts in the state were a significant test of its ability to influence other regions.

"Utah is an important foothold," Montoya said. "If the Chinese can succeed in Salt Lake City, they can also make it in New York and elsewhere."

Some examples of Chinese attempts at influence in Utah included getting legislation nixed that would have barred the establishment of "Confucius Institutes" at state colleges, as well as a letter exchange between General Secretary Xi and fourth-grade classes in the state. The latter effort, according to the AP, generated significant coverage in state-level media.

Newsweek reached out to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints' press office via email for comment. Newsweek also reached out to experts at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace for insight.
Expanding their MLM opportunities at the expense of our future.

The Church hopes for the day.

When we need them.

More than they need us.

The Church is not anti-American.

They are not anti-communist.

They are pro-themselves.

They are pro-one world government.

They just want it to be run by them.

Banksters on top.

The Church as the administrators.

They already serve the "jews" as members of their respective secret societies.

And they are willing to corral the rest of us.

By any means necessary.

Because God's Will, of course.

Always that.

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And a few years after, right as the corona pandemic was well underway in China, two months before the Church closed operations worldwide, THIS happened:

https://www.thechurchnews.com/2020/1/29 ... -equipment

And a more detailed part of that help is given here: https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/1/29 ... alth-wuhan

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The idea the Mormon Church would ever be well-treated in China is a pipe dream. Pope Francis tried working with the Chinese, was totally rolled and the Chinese appoint Bishops friendly to Xi. The legitimately appointed Bishops have been persecuted. Get the Chinese their temple work after they die. Until the Chinese government is transformed, there is no good reason to flatter them.
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Christianlee wrote: March 27th, 2023, 2:32 pm The idea the Mormon Church would ever be well-treated in China ia pipe dream. Pope Francis tried working with the Chinese, was totally rolled and the Chinese appoint Bishops friendly to Xi. The legitimately appointed Bishops have been persecuted. Get the Chinese their temple work after they die. Until the Chinese government is transformed, there is no good reason to flatter them.
They actually have been well-treated. Because the Church is insistent on following the laws of the country and works within their system. Having general leaders within the Church that have a friendly posture with China has helped out with that image a lot.

There's around 100 existing branches within the country of PRC citizen members that do meet openly, though the Church takes specific care NOT to mention their existence to the membership at large so that it couldn't be interpreted as doing missionary work within the country. This would not even be possible, if the Church's top leadership weren't already friendly to China.

But then, the other side of the coin drops too. Has China infiltrated the Church in response? Quite possibly, they have. At least since the death of President Benson, and we see that in the Beverly Campbell memos that EndlessQuestions has shown on his threads.

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This kind of stuff isn't new. We did build a temple in communist East Germany after all.

Except I don't think we were helping spread East German propaganda in utah.. that might be new.

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The AP story is here, and it is rather revealing:

https://apnews.com/article/china-foreig ... 88d20dd1b4

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Here's a thought experiment:

Replace every mention of China with Nazi Germany, and see if normies feel warm and fuzzy still.

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Subcomandante wrote: March 27th, 2023, 2:19 pm "We don't know what the future will be."
You don't say ...

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Subcomandante wrote: March 27th, 2023, 2:57 pm The AP story is here, and it is rather revealing:

https://apnews.com/article/china-foreig ... 88d20dd1b4
Pictures of this person and that, and this always appears after introducing the person: "An investigation by the Associated Press has found that China and its U.S.-based advocates spent years building relationships with the Utah's officials and lawmakers."
And what else? Nothing.

"And FBI Director Christopher Wray last year accused China of seeking to “cultivate talent early—often state and local officials—to ensure that politicians at all levels of government will be ready to take a call and advocate on behalf of Beijing’s agenda.”"
And then... nothing. No, not just nothing substantial, but nothing.

"Sample scripts provided for Utah lawmakers to read in videos requested by the government of Shanghai early in the coronavirus pandemic are photographed Feb. 13, 2023. As tensions with Washington rise, Beijing has focused its influence efforts on state and local officials. Security experts have warned that state lawmakers could be unwitting participants in Chinese government propaganda efforts.(AP Photo/Jon Elswick)"
And then... nothing. Did lawmakers make the videos and follow the scripts? Nothing. Did other lawmakers across the USA receive these scripts? Nothing.

"Chinese President Xi Jinping talks about how the Chinese symbol for the word "people" resembles two sticks supporting each other as he speaks at a banquet in Seattle, on Sept. 22, 2015. The Chinese president's visit was a top Washington state news item in 2015."
What does this have to do with Utah and The Church? Nothing.

A letter to Governor Cox.
And then... nothing.

The Church? Well, here's the strong connection:
"In January, former graduate student Ji Chaoqun was sentenced to eight years in prison on charges related to spying for China. The Chicago student told an undercover agent he’d been tasked by his spy handlers “to meet people, some American friends." He was baptized at a Latter-day Saints church and told the undercover agent he'd “been going to Utah more often lately” before his arrest, according to his Facebook page and court records."

Oh wait, there's this: "In Utah, the AP found, Beijing and pro-China advocates appealed to lawmakers’ affiliations with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, better known as the Mormon church, which is the state’s dominant religion and one that has long dreamed of expanding in China."
How did they appeal to the lawmakers' affiliations with the Church? Nothing.

At this point, I figured I was wasting my time, so I searched for "latter" and what else was there? Yup: nothing.

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Subcomandante wrote: March 27th, 2023, 2:43 pm
Christianlee wrote: March 27th, 2023, 2:32 pm The idea the Mormon Church would ever be well-treated in China ia pipe dream. Pope Francis tried working with the Chinese, was totally rolled and the Chinese appoint Bishops friendly to Xi. The legitimately appointed Bishops have been persecuted. Get the Chinese their temple work after they die. Until the Chinese government is transformed, there is no good reason to flatter them.
They actually have been well-treated. Because the Church is insistent on following the laws of the country and works within their system. Having general leaders within the Church that have a friendly posture with China has helped out with that image a lot.

There's around 100 existing branches within the country of PRC citizen members that do meet openly, though the Church takes specific care NOT to mention their existence to the membership at large so that it couldn't be interpreted as doing missionary work within the country. This would not even be possible, if the Church's top leadership weren't already friendly to China.

But then, the other side of the coin drops too. Has China infiltrated the Church in response? Quite possibly, they have. At least since the death of President Benson, and we see that in the Beverly Campbell memos that EndlessQuestions has shown on his threads.
The MoTab tour through China is where the secret society brethren got as close to pay for play as I found in that record. Don Staheli, for example, paid in to “host” a prominent Chinese citizen, which just so happened to buy him access to markets, politicians, prophets, and perhaps eventually, a nice cushy red chair. The last piece is difficult to prove, but not hard to imagine after all we’ve learned these last few months. What we do know is they had set up a separate account in the corporation to funnel all that money through… because Beverly told us so.

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endlessQuestions wrote: March 27th, 2023, 6:25 pm
Subcomandante wrote: March 27th, 2023, 2:43 pm
Christianlee wrote: March 27th, 2023, 2:32 pm The idea the Mormon Church would ever be well-treated in China ia pipe dream. Pope Francis tried working with the Chinese, was totally rolled and the Chinese appoint Bishops friendly to Xi. The legitimately appointed Bishops have been persecuted. Get the Chinese their temple work after they die. Until the Chinese government is transformed, there is no good reason to flatter them.
They actually have been well-treated. Because the Church is insistent on following the laws of the country and works within their system. Having general leaders within the Church that have a friendly posture with China has helped out with that image a lot.

There's around 100 existing branches within the country of PRC citizen members that do meet openly, though the Church takes specific care NOT to mention their existence to the membership at large so that it couldn't be interpreted as doing missionary work within the country. This would not even be possible, if the Church's top leadership weren't already friendly to China.

But then, the other side of the coin drops too. Has China infiltrated the Church in response? Quite possibly, they have. At least since the death of President Benson, and we see that in the Beverly Campbell memos that EndlessQuestions has shown on his threads.
The MoTab tour through China is where the secret society brethren got as close to pay for play as I found in that record. Don Staheli, for example, paid in to “host” a prominent Chinese citizen, which just so happened to buy him access to markets, politicians, prophets, and perhaps eventually, a nice cushy red chair. The last piece is difficult to prove, but not hard to imagine after all we’ve learned these last few months. What we do know is they had set up a separate account in the corporation to funnel all that money through… because Beverly told us so.
He was one of dozens. Never got around to finishing that research.

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One of my first hesitancies is that Newsweek produced the article. That's like going to CNN for your news.

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endlessQuestions wrote: March 27th, 2023, 6:25 pm
Subcomandante wrote: March 27th, 2023, 2:43 pm
Christianlee wrote: March 27th, 2023, 2:32 pm The idea the Mormon Church would ever be well-treated in China ia pipe dream. Pope Francis tried working with the Chinese, was totally rolled and the Chinese appoint Bishops friendly to Xi. The legitimately appointed Bishops have been persecuted. Get the Chinese their temple work after they die. Until the Chinese government is transformed, there is no good reason to flatter them.
They actually have been well-treated. Because the Church is insistent on following the laws of the country and works within their system. Having general leaders within the Church that have a friendly posture with China has helped out with that image a lot.

There's around 100 existing branches within the country of PRC citizen members that do meet openly, though the Church takes specific care NOT to mention their existence to the membership at large so that it couldn't be interpreted as doing missionary work within the country. This would not even be possible, if the Church's top leadership weren't already friendly to China.

But then, the other side of the coin drops too. Has China infiltrated the Church in response? Quite possibly, they have. At least since the death of President Benson, and we see that in the Beverly Campbell memos that EndlessQuestions has shown on his threads.
The MoTab tour through China is where the secret society brethren got as close to pay for play as I found in that record. Don Staheli, for example, paid in to “host” a prominent Chinese citizen, which just so happened to buy him access to markets, politicians, prophets, and perhaps eventually, a nice cushy red chair. The last piece is difficult to prove, but not hard to imagine after all we’ve learned these last few months. What we do know is they had set up a separate account in the corporation to funnel all that money through… because Beverly told us so.
Good old Bev . Thank you for all the things you revealed ….

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Based on an email feed, Joel Skousen has a lot to say about this, and will undoubtedly comment on it in his upcoming WAB. He tags another prominent LDS leader as playing a significant role in this LDS/Chinese 'rapprochement'.

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larsenb wrote: March 28th, 2023, 11:23 am Based on an email feed, Joel Skousen has a lot to say about this, and will undoubtedly comment on it in his upcoming WAB. He tags another prominent LDS leader as playing a significant role in this LDS/Chinese 'rapprochement'.
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