Poll: How often will we hear the name "Russell M. Nelson" or variants or "Jesus Christ" in General Conference?

[Subcomandante]

I don’t think the exercise is useful.

Secret society members are not stupid, and understand that they need to use the name of Jesus Christ as much as they possibly can, in ways that they are allowed to. It’s what allows the cultural conditioning to remain rooted.

I like the idea that somebody else mentioned is comparing how many times RMN’s name is used, and in what context, compared to other leaders of the church historically. A longitudinal look at that might reveal useful patterns that could help break the cultural conditioning. IMO.

Yes.

We need to look at benchmark comparisons, I recommend every decade, though we could easily do one every five years.

[harakim]

Lineman posted an interesting bet where he said that he feels that in Conference there will be a 10:1 ratio of mentions of the current prophet over mentions of Jesus Christ.



I commented that I would be surprised, that it would even be a 1:1 Nelson:Jesus Christ ratio, saying it will be more like a 3:1 Jesus Christ to Nelson ratio.

Answer the poll below. A ratio where the right number is bigger indicates where you think Jesus Christ will be mentioned more. A ratio where the left number is bigger indicates where you think Russell M. Nelson will be mentioned more.

If you think the ratio will be 6:1 RMN:JC, you would answer the poll 5-10:1 RMN:JC. If you think the ratio will be 3:1 JC:RMN you would answer 1:2-5 RMN:JC

What say you guys?

Poll is up now.

Does "the prophet" or "our prophet" or the like count?

[Subcomandante]

Lineman posted an interesting bet where he said that he feels that in Conference there will be a 10:1 ratio of mentions of the current prophet over mentions of Jesus Christ.



I commented that I would be surprised, that it would even be a 1:1 Nelson:Jesus Christ ratio, saying it will be more like a 3:1 Jesus Christ to Nelson ratio.

Answer the poll below. A ratio where the right number is bigger indicates where you think Jesus Christ will be mentioned more. A ratio where the left number is bigger indicates where you think Russell M. Nelson will be mentioned more.

If you think the ratio will be 6:1 RMN:JC, you would answer the poll 5-10:1 RMN:JC. If you think the ratio will be 3:1 JC:RMN you would answer 1:2-5 RMN:JC

What say you guys?

Poll is up now.

Does "the prophet" or "our prophet" or the like count?

Unless prefaced by another name, it would count.

[Silver Pie]

Jesus didn't really have a surname in the modern sense.

Good point.

We do call him (the) Saviour or Christ a lot. It is rarer to hear of him just called Jesus (rather than Jesus Christ) in the LDS but common elsewhere.

True

You know why you can't just call him Russell, don't you? Because that would be a half-Nelson.

Besides, I believe he will be calling himself Russell M. Nelson Mandela after taking that award in South Africa.

[JohnnyL]

So... who won?

[Silver Pie]

I'd like to know, too.

[Cruiserdude]

I'd like to know, too.

I tried really hard to not notice when Nelson was referenced.... But in all sincerity, it was so frequent that I couldn't help but think about this thread lol

[TheDuke]

how about "beloved prophet"? does that count as well?

[Cruiserdude]

how about "beloved prophet"? does that count as well?

If it references Nelson, yes.

[TheDuke]

the more I think about it the more the phrase "beloved prophet" seems improper. I never really analyzed the word "beloved" before. But with John Wick 4, he made a big deal about the difference between "beloved" and "loving". Beloved means they are loved, loving means they love. Why are we needing to say the prophet is loved (by us or men)? When did we go from follow or sustain to loving him? Seems those who use this term must only be able to say it for themselves, better to say "I love the prophet". Anyway, I don't like it.

[Cruiserdude]

the more I think about it the more the phrase "beloved prophet" seems improper. I never really analyzed the word "beloved" before. But with John Wick 4, he made a big deal about the difference between "beloved" and "loving". Beloved means they are loved, loving means they love. Why are we needing to say the prophet is loved (by us or men)? When did we go from follow or sustain to loving him? Seems those who use this term must only be able to say it for themselves, better to say "I love the prophet". Anyway, I don't like it.

That's funny, I said the same exact thing here on forum about the term 'beloved' being used to reference a prophet, or anyone besides Jesus Christ, and how it's absolutely improper.....

[TheDuke]

the more I think about it the more the phrase "beloved prophet" seems improper. I never really analyzed the word "beloved" before. But with John Wick 4, he made a big deal about the difference between "beloved" and "loving". Beloved means they are loved, loving means they love. Why are we needing to say the prophet is loved (by us or men)? When did we go from follow or sustain to loving him? Seems those who use this term must only be able to say it for themselves, better to say "I love the prophet". Anyway, I don't like it.

That's funny, I said the same exact thing here on forum about the term 'beloved' being used to reference a prophet, or anyone besides Jesus Christ, and how it's absolutely improper.....

I agree my beloved Cruiserdude

[TheDuke]

the more I think about it the more the phrase "beloved prophet" seems improper. I never really analyzed the word "beloved" before. But with John Wick 4, he made a big deal about the difference between "beloved" and "loving". Beloved means they are loved, loving means they love. Why are we needing to say the prophet is loved (by us or men)? When did we go from follow or sustain to loving him? Seems those who use this term must only be able to say it for themselves, better to say "I love the prophet". Anyway, I don't like it.

That's funny, I said the same exact thing here on forum about the term 'beloved' being used to reference a prophet, or anyone besides Jesus Christ, and how it's absolutely improper.....

I agree my beloved Cruiserdude

actually, there are acceptable social uses of "beloved". I think it is ok in our time period for any dead person. It seems a pretty typical salutation of honor for the deceased. but not the living.

[Cruiserdude]

the more I think about it the more the phrase "beloved prophet" seems improper. I never really analyzed the word "beloved" before. But with John Wick 4, he made a big deal about the difference between "beloved" and "loving". Beloved means they are loved, loving means they love. Why are we needing to say the prophet is loved (by us or men)? When did we go from follow or sustain to loving him? Seems those who use this term must only be able to say it for themselves, better to say "I love the prophet". Anyway, I don't like it.

That's funny, I said the same exact thing here on forum about the term 'beloved' being used to reference a prophet, or anyone besides Jesus Christ, and how it's absolutely improper.....

I agree my beloved Cruiserdude

Haha lolol

[TheDuke]

BTW the interesting but useless point of "beloved" vs. "loving" was because John wanted his wife's headstone to say that she was loved "beloved wife". And he didn't want to presume the same for himself or at the very least felt that it was more important that he loved her than he was love by her; so his headstone was "loving husband".

I know it is silly, but it drives home a bit the idea that it is better to be loving than be loved, if you are humble.

SO wouldn't it be more powerful to say "loving prophet"?

[Subcomandante]

Initial count - Strictest standard: Jesus Christ vs Nelson

Saturday morning:
Gary E Stevenson 23:1
Bonnie Cardon 7:1
Carl B. Cook 5:0
Gerritt W. Gong 10:0
Quentin L Cook 13:5
Allen Haynie 3:10
Henry B Eyring 2:1

Total 63:18, a ratio of 3.5 to 1.

Saturday Afternoon
Dale Renlund 10:1
Peter F Meurs 7:1
Randall K Bennett 3:4
Craig C Christensen 10:2
Evan A Schmultz 5:4
Benjamin De Hoyos 4:2
Dieter F Uchtdorf 19:0

Total 58:14, a ratio of about 4.1 to 1.

Saturday Evening
Mark A Bragg 7:6
Milton Camargo 22:3
K Brett Nattress 7:1
Juan C Uceda 4:2

Total 40:12, a ratio of about 3.3 to 1.

Total Saturday 161:44 or about 3.7 to 1.

Sunday Morning
D Todd Christofferson 6:1
Camille Johnson 18:4
Ulises Soares 2:1 (albeit, he makes several references to Jesus, (Savior, Son of David etc), I am strictly following specifically the strict terminology of Jesus being mentioned here).
Kazuhiko Yamashita 4:1
Neil L Andersen 16:2
Kevin R Duncan 13:2
Russell M Nelson 12:0

Total 61:11 or about 5.6 to 1

Sunday Afternoon
Dallin H Oaks 6:0
M Russell Ballard 8:0
Ronald A Rasband 16:3
Vern Stanfield 3:1
W Mark Bassett 8:1
Ahmad S Corbitt 9:1
David A Bednar 7:1
Russell M Nelson 7:0

Total 64:7 or about 9.1 to 1

Sunday total 125:18 or about 7.0 to 1
Conference total 266:62 or about 4.3 to 1.

[Subcomandante]

FP/Q12A

Russell M Nelson (combined) 13:0
Dallin H Oaks 6:0
Henry B Eyring 2:1
M Russell Ballard 8:0
Jeffrey R Holland EXCUSED
Dieter F Uchtdorf 19:0
David A Bednar 7:1
Quentin L Cook 13:5
D Todd Christofferson 6:1
Neil L Andersen 16:2
Ronald A Rasband 16:3
Gary E Stevensen 23:1
Dale Renlund 10:1
Gerritt W Gong 10:0
Ulises Soares 2:1

total 151:16 or about 9.4 to 1

[Subcomandante]

Recap: If we only count the Apostles and the First Presidency, they mentioned Jesus Christ over Nelson at a 9 to 1 ratio. Everyone else still had a 2.5 to 1 ratio, and it averaged out to slightly above a 4 to 1 ratio for Jesus Christ above Nelson.

I had estimated a 3 to 1 ratio so it turns out I erred slightly in favor of the critic position that they tend to mention the prophet more than Christ.

Lineman had posited a 10 to 1 Nelson over Jesus Christ ratio so he was clearly off. Conversely, there were a few people that posited an over 20:1 ratio, which was met by a few speakers.

There were only TWO speakers throughout the entire conference that said the prophet's name more than Jesus Christ: Elder Haynie who had a 3:10 ratio and Elder Bennett with a 3:4 ratio.

Maybe Haynie DOES deserve the sack of crap this board has been giving him. Remove his talk and you have over a 5:1 ratio of Jesus over Nelson. That is the definition of a statistical outlier, ladies and gentlemen.

[JohnnyL]

Yeah, but Elder Haynie was recounting a story where President Nelson was the focal point.

[Bronco73idi]

Initial count - Strictest standard: Jesus Christ vs Nelson

Saturday morning:
Gary E Stevenson 23:1
Bonnie Cardon 7:1
Carl B. Cook 5:0
Gerritt W. Gong 10:0
Quentin L Cook 13:5
Allen Haynie 3:10
Henry B Eyring 2:1

Total 63:18, a ratio of 3.5 to 1.

Saturday Afternoon
Dale Renlund 10:1
Peter F Meurs 7:1
Randall K Bennett 3:4
Craig C Christensen 10:2
Evan A Schmultz 5:4
Benjamin De Hoyos 4:2
Dieter F Uchtdorf 19:0

Total 58:14, a ratio of about 4.1 to 1.

Saturday Evening
Mark A Bragg 7:6
Milton Camargo 22:3
K Brett Nattress 7:1
Juan C Uceda 4:2

Total 40:12, a ratio of about 3.3 to 1.

Total Saturday 161:44 or about 3.7 to 1.

Sunday Morning
D Todd Christofferson 6:1
Camille Johnson 18:4
Ulises Soares 2:1 (albeit, he makes several references to Jesus, (Savior, Son of David etc), I am strictly following specifically the strict terminology of Jesus being mentioned here).
Kazuhiko Yamashita 4:1
Neil L Andersen 16:2
Kevin R Duncan 13:2
Russell M Nelson 12:0

Total 61:11 or about 5.6 to 1

Sunday Afternoon
Dallin H Oaks 6:0
M Russell Ballard 8:0
Ronald A Rasband 16:3
Vern Stanfield 3:1
W Mark Bassett 8:1
Ahmad S Corbitt 9:1
David A Bednar 7:1
Russell M Nelson 7:0

Total 64:7 or about 9.1 to 1

Sunday total 125:18 or about 7.0 to 1
Conference total 266:62 or about 4.3 to 1.

Awesome work brother.

Not enough 0’s for my liking but who am I lol

[briznian]

If it is really the words of Jesus, as it should be, He should get all the credit and not these men.

[LDS Physician]

Yeah, but Elder Haynie was recounting a story where President Nelson was the focal point.

That's literally the problem ...