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As proudly reported by Deseret News (loud and proud on this subject), according to the UN, and its sustainable goals experts, the very happiest people and countries in the world are also the very most liberal and socialistic.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2023/ ... y-un-group

It's funny, because I have spent a fair amount of time in Scandanavia, and I guess I might be inclined to define happiness differently than they do. But if never having to make a decision, because they essentially all made for you, and never having to worry about money (because that's covered too), equals happiness, then I guess they're in good shape -- as their uber-happy populations continue to stagnate and slump in decline.

Great! Deseret News article promoting and embracing Socialism. No surprise there. I wonder if any of their readers are dumb enough to believe this article and move to one of these hell holes.

Come on. If you had a pretty, smiling prime minister who looked like that -- and at Davos/WEF to boot -- how could you not be happy?

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 4:48 pm Come on. If you had a pretty, smiling prime minister who looked like that -- and at Davos/WEF to boot -- how could you not be happy?

Sanna Marin1.JPG

She looks like one of those androids from Blade Runner. Show me a prime minister who looks like Eva Mendes and I might change my mind.

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 3:56 pm As proudly reported by Deseret News (loud and proud on this subject), according to the UN, and its sustainable goals experts, the very happiest people and countries in the world are also the very most liberal and socialistic.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2023/ ... y-un-group

It's funny, because I have spent a fair amount of time in Scandanavia, and I guess I might be inclined to define happiness differently than they do. But if never having to make a decision, because they essentially all made for you, and never having to worry about money (because that's covered too), equals happiness, then I guess they're in good shape -- as their uber-happy populations continue to stagnate and slump in decline.

Don't worry, tmac. One day soon you will be happy--and you won't even own one toy (or anything)!

The Nordic countries’ experiment with socialism was disastrous (shocking I know) and as they’ve moved away from it over the last 40 years their fortunes have increased accordingly, yet every dope in US credits their success following their escape from socialism to…wait for it: socialism.

Nordics are now free market economies that support a generous welfare state. It sorta works provided you’re a tiny population, rich in resources, highly educated , high trust and almost perfectly homogenous.

Just like our systems, cracks are starting to emerge and for the same reasons, which no one will talk about.

dreamtheater76 wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 5:16 pm

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 4:48 pm Come on. If you had a pretty, smiling prime minister who looked like that -- and at Davos/WEF to boot -- how could you not be happy?

Sanna Marin1.JPG

She looks like one of those androids from Blade Runner. Show me a prime minister who looks like Eva Mendes and I might change my mind.

It seems she is a bit of a moron. Her suggestion for ending the Ukraine War was Russia leaving. "Well, thank you Captain Obvious..." as the saying goes.

Like a Blade Runner android. Not here she doesn't. She likes nasty parties. This is one Sanna Marin was at in New York. She was screwing a man who wasn't her husband.

Hugh Akston wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 5:59 pm The Nordic countries’ experiment with socialism was disastrous (shocking I know) and as they’ve moved away from it over the last 40 years their fortunes have increased accordingly, yet every dope in US credits their success following their escape from socialism to…wait for it: socialism.

Nordics are now free market economies that support a generous welfare state. It sorta works provided you’re a tiny population, rich in resources, highly educated , high trust and almost perfectly homogenous.

Just like our systems, cracks are starting to emerge and for the same reasons, which no one will talk about.

It is hard to see what future the Nordic countries have. As a Scottish nationalist, I'm probably duty bound to admire them in some respects – culturally they have punched above their weight, and produced some great figures.

But here's the sad truth. It isn't all what it seems.
* 40% of the Swedish workforce is employed by the Wallenberg Family. I wrote about them in this post called "the most powerful family you've never heard of" viewtopic.php?t=67500&hilit=Wallenbergs
* Nordic countries have bizarre sex laws. Denmark has been notorious within Europe for having legal bestiality and there has even been sex tourism there by zoophiles.
* All are undergoing serious demographic change. Check out the figures for their Muslim populations for example.
* The Nordic countries have been big promoters of eugenics. The Icelanders abort Downs Syndrome babies, Scandinavia was executing the disabled before that.
* Nordics drink a lot, despite restrictions. Not exactly happiness.

Oh and their taxes are crippling. Remember those awful outfits Abba wore? Turns out they were tax write offs.

Hugh Akston wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 5:59 pm The Nordic countries’ experiment with socialism was disastrous (shocking I know) and as they’ve moved away from it over the last 40 years their fortunes have increased accordingly, yet every dope in US credits their success following their escape from socialism to…wait for it: socialism.

Nordics are now free market economies that support a generous welfare state. It sorta works provided you’re a tiny population, rich in resources, highly educated , high trust and almost perfectly homogenous.

Just like our systems, cracks are starting to emerge and for the same reasons, which no one will talk about.

Followers of Lucifer thought he had the best plan. Some spirits are just not ready for freedom. Especially those spirits that chose to follow satan with a body. They were evil the day they were born. They can repent. But I wouldn't hold your breath, waiting.

The happiest people that I have seen are those who are close to their families and their friends. They tend to be conservative in thought.

The saddest people that I have seen are envious of the rich and want the rich peoples' resources, yet don't want to work for them, but want them given to them by papi gober.

Socialists, in a word.

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 4:48 pm Come on. If you had a pretty, smiling prime minister who looked like that -- and at Davos/WEF to boot -- how could you not be happy?

Sanna Marin1.JPG

That is nothing but one big evil, creepy looking face. Pure evil.
dc

Having lived (as a legal resident) in Germany, England, Switzerland, Italy, Israel, and Denmark, worked short term in Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Korea, and made business trips in Canada, Mexico, Belgium, the Neterlands, Norway, Sweden, Faeroerene, Iceland, Ireland, I still prefer the U.S.A.

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 3:56 pm As proudly reported by Deseret News (loud and proud on this subject), according to the UN, and its sustainable goals experts, the very happiest people and countries in the world are also the very most liberal and socialistic.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2023/ ... y-un-group

It's funny, because I have spent a fair amount of time in Scandanavia, and I guess I might be inclined to define happiness differently than they do. But if never having to make a decision, because they essentially all made for you, and never having to worry about money (because that's covered too), equals happiness, then I guess they're in good shape -- as their uber-happy populations continue to stagnate and slump in decline.

None of the Scandinavian countries are socialist. In fact, there isn't a socialist country in Europe these days.
Some have social democratic leanings in some aspects of their society, but they're not socialist in any true sense of the word. Their default is classic liberalism/capitalism.
North Korea and China are examples of socialist societies.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 1:44 am

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 3:56 pm As proudly reported by Deseret News (loud and proud on this subject), according to the UN, and its sustainable goals experts, the very happiest people and countries in the world are also the very most liberal and socialistic.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2023/ ... y-un-group

It's funny, because I have spent a fair amount of time in Scandanavia, and I guess I might be inclined to define happiness differently than they do. But if never having to make a decision, because they essentially all made for you, and never having to worry about money (because that's covered too), equals happiness, then I guess they're in good shape -- as their uber-happy populations continue to stagnate and slump in decline.

None of the Scandinavian countries are socialist. In fact, there isn't a socialist country in Europe these days.
Some have social democratic leanings in some aspects of their society, but they're not socialist in any true sense of the word. Their default is classic liberalism/capitalism.
North Korea and China are examples of socialist societies.

North Korea and Cuba perhaps, but hardly China. There are billionaires in the Communist Party.

Luke wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 2:57 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 1:44 am

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 3:56 pm As proudly reported by Deseret News (loud and proud on this subject), according to the UN, and its sustainable goals experts, the very happiest people and countries in the world are also the very most liberal and socialistic.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2023/ ... y-un-group

It's funny, because I have spent a fair amount of time in Scandanavia, and I guess I might be inclined to define happiness differently than they do. But if never having to make a decision, because they essentially all made for you, and never having to worry about money (because that's covered too), equals happiness, then I guess they're in good shape -- as their uber-happy populations continue to stagnate and slump in decline.

None of the Scandinavian countries are socialist. In fact, there isn't a socialist country in Europe these days.
Some have social democratic leanings in some aspects of their society, but they're not socialist in any true sense of the word. Their default is classic liberalism/capitalism.
North Korea and China are examples of socialist societies.

North Korea and Cuba perhaps, but hardly China. There are billionaires in the Communist Party.

There were in the Soviet Union too. Such is the nature of socialism. All are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 1:44 am

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 3:56 pm As proudly reported by Deseret News (loud and proud on this subject), according to the UN, and its sustainable goals experts, the very happiest people and countries in the world are also the very most liberal and socialistic.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2023/ ... y-un-group

It's funny, because I have spent a fair amount of time in Scandanavia, and I guess I might be inclined to define happiness differently than they do. But if never having to make a decision, because they essentially all made for you, and never having to worry about money (because that's covered too), equals happiness, then I guess they're in good shape -- as their uber-happy populations continue to stagnate and slump in decline.

None of the Scandinavian countries are socialist. In fact, there isn't a socialist country in Europe these days.
Some have social democratic leanings in some aspects of their society, but they're not socialist in any true sense of the word. Their default is classic liberalism/capitalism.
North Korea and China are examples of socialist societies.

Now I’m curious. What is your definition of socialistic?

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 1:44 am

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 3:56 pm As proudly reported by Deseret News (loud and proud on this subject), according to the UN, and its sustainable goals experts, the very happiest people and countries in the world are also the very most liberal and socialistic.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2023/ ... y-un-group

It's funny, because I have spent a fair amount of time in Scandanavia, and I guess I might be inclined to define happiness differently than they do. But if never having to make a decision, because they essentially all made for you, and never having to worry about money (because that's covered too), equals happiness, then I guess they're in good shape -- as their uber-happy populations continue to stagnate and slump in decline.

None of the Scandinavian countries are socialist. In fact, there isn't a socialist country in Europe these days.
Some have social democratic leanings in some aspects of their society, but they're not socialist in any true sense of the word. Their default is classic liberalism/capitalism.
North Korea and China are examples of socialist societies.

They have changed the meaning of socialism. Today when people say socialism they really mean welfarism, social safety net. A political socialism rather than an economic one.

I see only one major factor why Finland keeps being crowned as the happiest country, and that is that Finland was never the happiest country before I moved here. Just saying....

Seriously though, the key to happiness in the Nordics (Scandinavia is the less correct term) is that they have lower expectations. People are more content really than happy. I guess being more content just means that they are less unhappy than others.

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 3:56 pm As proudly reported by Deseret News (loud and proud on this subject), according to the UN, and its sustainable goals experts, the very happiest people and countries in the world are also the very most liberal and socialistic.

Okay, time for one of my pet peeves. Although commonly used as synonyms in the States, socialism isn't liberal in any real sense, at least not in economic terms.

The Nordic countries are liberal (permissive) when it comes to sexual matters. (Including animals!) But they are not economically liberal (the government interferes), and no longer liberal on religious matrers (since churches etc are being interfered with).

The U.N.(most nations in it) have one main goal, to drain America and her allies of cash, power, and keep them from using their own natural resources, while others pollute and pillage to their hearts content at the very same time. Stupid liberals are piling on with them, in a very self destructive way, helping the process.

My own simplistic, working definition of socialism has to do with the extent to which Government injects itself into both economics and regulation, and continually seeks to consolidate and centralize power and control.

When government dictates everything you can and can’t do with your property, and/or in your business, and taxes economic activity at a very high level to re-distribute wealth, and “level the economic playing field” from top to bottom, and proactively seeks to vastly reduce financial incentive for economic performance, while providing some level of subsistence to essentially everyone, that is my simplistic, working definition of socialism — which is also how the U.S. and Canada are strongly leaning. I consider the UN to be essentially the epitome of socialistic values.

The concept of liberalism is another can of worms. But in my view, contemporary social liberalism involves policies that tolerate and encourage uninhibited sexual freedom and expression, complete equality, and lack of any traditional moral or religious values or structure.

It is curious, though, that all you Brits seem to have a very different working definition and understanding of these concepts.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 5:52 am

Luke wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 2:57 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 1:44 am

None of the Scandinavian countries are socialist. In fact, there isn't a socialist country in Europe these days.
Some have social democratic leanings in some aspects of their society, but they're not socialist in any true sense of the word. Their default is classic liberalism/capitalism.
North Korea and China are examples of socialist societies.

North Korea and Cuba perhaps, but hardly China. There are billionaires in the Communist Party.

There were in the Soviet Union too. Such is the nature of socialism. All are equal, but some are more equal than others.

At least the Soviet Union had the façade of everything being owned “by the people”.

China is very openly capitalist, even though they call it “Socialism with Chinese characteristics”.

But good point about the nature of these countries—they’re all run by a small group of elitists. I suppose the same could be said for Western countries though in a sense.

tmac wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 6:15 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 1:44 am

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 3:56 pm As proudly reported by Deseret News (loud and proud on this subject), according to the UN, and its sustainable goals experts, the very happiest people and countries in the world are also the very most liberal and socialistic.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2023/ ... y-un-group

It's funny, because I have spent a fair amount of time in Scandanavia, and I guess I might be inclined to define happiness differently than they do. But if never having to make a decision, because they essentially all made for you, and never having to worry about money (because that's covered too), equals happiness, then I guess they're in good shape -- as their uber-happy populations continue to stagnate and slump in decline.

None of the Scandinavian countries are socialist. In fact, there isn't a socialist country in Europe these days.
Some have social democratic leanings in some aspects of their society, but they're not socialist in any true sense of the word. Their default is classic liberalism/capitalism.
North Korea and China are examples of socialist societies.

Now I’m curious. What is your definition of socialistic?

Centrally planned economy, with the means of production owned collectively ie. by the state.

Socialism (one of Satan's plans) is a close counterfeit to the United order. Wish Ezra was still around.

tmac wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 6:15 am Now I’m curious. What is your definition of socialistic?

The Marxist take would be the abolishment of the distinguishing features of capitalism, i.e. the value form, wage labour, commodity production.

At least that’s how Marx et al. defined it, other people’s versions/theories/practises of socialism may differ.

So, there's Marxism, communism, and socialism. They may all share some of the same characteristics, but in varying degrees. What, if any, distinction do you make among them?