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Barely mentioned in the Legacy media last week was a solar coronal mass ejection that could have destroyed every electronic device on earth along with the power grid, satellites and all communication lines if it had occurred on the near side of the sun.

Estimates say it was 10 to 100 times more powerful than the 1859 CME event that destroyed all telegraph lines in the country.

Strange that it is barely mentioned. You would think they would jump all over the opportunity to address this new 'crisis' with more money power and control for the government.

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... lypse.html

markharr wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 10:49 am Barely mentioned in the Legacy media last week was a solar coronal mass ejection that could have destroyed every electronic device on earth along with the power grid, satellites and all communication lines if it had occurred on the near side of the sun.

Estimates say it was 10 to 100 times more powerful than the 1859 CME event that destroyed all telegraph lines in the country.

Strange that it is barely mentioned. You would think they would jump all over the opportunity to address this new 'crisis' with more money power and control for the government.

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... lypse.html

Don't give them any ideas!!!

(I hadn't heard about it either)

Just a matter of time.

Warning shot across the bow? It did charge the atmosphere causing celestial lights in some areas so it wasn't unnoticed.


We live in fear of how tech is being used against us but this shows that the Lord could set it back decades with a blast from his nostril. Unfortunately that would also cause mass starvation and death.

I missed this too, but I take it that the CME erupted a different direction?

There is a good dystopian fiction novel on this subject called “When the English Fall,” which I consider to present a pretty plausible scenario.

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 12:16 pm I missed this too, but I take it that the CME erupted a different direction?

There is a good dystopian fiction novel on this subject called “When the English Fall”.

It erupted away from the earth but was powerful enough to make the northern lights visible much further to the south.

It is only a matter of time until a CME will erupt pointing the right/wrong direction.

What I don’t completely grasp is how all of this corresponds with the speed of light, in terms of timing.

How long ago would something like that have happened, before we even become aware that it might be headed our way?

markharr wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 10:49 am Barely mentioned in the Legacy media last week was a solar coronal mass ejection that could have destroyed every electronic device on earth along with the power grid, satellites and all communication lines if it had occurred on the near side of the sun.

Estimates say it was 10 to 100 times more powerful than the 1859 CME event that destroyed all telegraph lines in the country.

Strange that it is barely mentioned. You would think they would jump all over the opportunity to address this new 'crisis' with more money power and control for the government.

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... lypse.html

Just so everyone knows. The 1859 event did NOT destroy all telegraph lines in the country. Some copper overhead lines were affected, but it was probably more like .001% or even less of the lines strung at the time. It's just fear mongering to say that a CME would take out every electronic device on earth along with the power grid etc. Maybe if life was a science fiction movie.
Even the article linked to, repeats the same tired refrain that all over the world such and such happened. Best way to prove it wasn't as bad is just go and read newspapers from that time. I haven't read a lot of them, but a long time ago I checked out some of the Canadian newspapers of the day, and found only two small articles about the event and those were about telegraph wires being damaged somewhere in the USA. Obviously didn't affect any wires that the Canadians put up. No doubt there would be some damage from an CME event if it took place today, but I don't think it would be enough to end modern life as we know it.

mike_rumble wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 12:41 pm

markharr wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 10:49 am Barely mentioned in the Legacy media last week was a solar coronal mass ejection that could have destroyed every electronic device on earth along with the power grid, satellites and all communication lines if it had occurred on the near side of the sun.

Estimates say it was 10 to 100 times more powerful than the 1859 CME event that destroyed all telegraph lines in the country.

Strange that it is barely mentioned. You would think they would jump all over the opportunity to address this new 'crisis' with more money power and control for the government.

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... lypse.html

Just so everyone knows. The 1859 event did NOT destroy all telegraph lines in the country. Some copper overhead lines were affected, but it was probably more like .001% or even less of the lines strung at the time. It's just fear mongering to say that a CME would take out every electronic device on earth along with the power grid etc. Maybe if life was a science fiction movie.
Even the article linked to, repeats the same tired refrain that all over the world such and such happened. Best way to prove it wasn't as bad is just go and read newspapers from that time. I haven't read a lot of them, but a long time ago I checked out some of the Canadian newspapers of the day, and found only two small articles about the event and those were about telegraph wires being damaged somewhere in the USA. Obviously didn't affect any wires that the Canadians put up.

So your point is, it’s nothing to be concerned about?

markharr wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 10:49 am Barely mentioned in the Legacy media last week was a solar coronal mass ejection that could have destroyed every electronic device on earth along with the power grid, satellites and all communication lines if it had occurred on the near side of the sun.

Estimates say it was 10 to 100 times more powerful than the 1859 CME event that destroyed all telegraph lines in the country.

Strange that it is barely mentioned. You would think they would jump all over the opportunity to address this new 'crisis' with more money power and control for the government.

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... lypse.html

The sun is what burns the earth up, (Isaiah 24:6 D&C 112:24, 133:64) in February of 1957 they had 300 solar spots a day for a whole week. The sun has 2 main cycles that we know of 11 years and 88 years. Get ready for 2045-47.

Most people don’t like that it’s that far away. I find it interesting that the UN sustainability goals have 2030 and 2050 as their year objectives.

mike_rumble wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 12:41 pm

markharr wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 10:49 am Barely mentioned in the Legacy media last week was a solar coronal mass ejection that could have destroyed every electronic device on earth along with the power grid, satellites and all communication lines if it had occurred on the near side of the sun.

Estimates say it was 10 to 100 times more powerful than the 1859 CME event that destroyed all telegraph lines in the country.

Strange that it is barely mentioned. You would think they would jump all over the opportunity to address this new 'crisis' with more money power and control for the government.

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... lypse.html

Just so everyone knows. The 1859 event did NOT destroy all telegraph lines in the country. Some copper overhead lines were affected, but it was probably more like .001% or even less of the lines strung at the time. It's just fear mongering to say that a CME would take out every electronic device on earth along with the power grid etc. Maybe if life was a science fiction movie.
Even the article linked to, repeats the same tired refrain that all over the world such and such happened. Best way to prove it wasn't as bad is just go and read newspapers from that time. I haven't read a lot of them, but a long time ago I checked out some of the Canadian newspapers of the day, and found only two small articles about the event and those were about telegraph wires being damaged somewhere in the USA. Obviously didn't affect any wires that the Canadians put up. No doubt there would be some damage from an CME event if it took place today, but I don't think it would be enough to end modern life as we know it.

I like Suspicious Observers for this stuff. He seems to know what he’s talking about and has won some rounds against folks like NASA.

Obviously, how catastrophic it ends up being is totally dependent on the event itself.

Back then, our entire global system wasn’t dependent on technology.

Now it is.

It’s going to be highly disruptive.

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 12:44 pm

mike_rumble wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 12:41 pm

markharr wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 10:49 am Barely mentioned in the Legacy media last week was a solar coronal mass ejection that could have destroyed every electronic device on earth along with the power grid, satellites and all communication lines if it had occurred on the near side of the sun.

Estimates say it was 10 to 100 times more powerful than the 1859 CME event that destroyed all telegraph lines in the country.

Strange that it is barely mentioned. You would think they would jump all over the opportunity to address this new 'crisis' with more money power and control for the government.

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... lypse.html

Just so everyone knows. The 1859 event did NOT destroy all telegraph lines in the country. Some copper overhead lines were affected, but it was probably more like .001% or even less of the lines strung at the time. It's just fear mongering to say that a CME would take out every electronic device on earth along with the power grid etc. Maybe if life was a science fiction movie.
Even the article linked to, repeats the same tired refrain that all over the world such and such happened. Best way to prove it wasn't as bad is just go and read newspapers from that time. I haven't read a lot of them, but a long time ago I checked out some of the Canadian newspapers of the day, and found only two small articles about the event and those were about telegraph wires being damaged somewhere in the USA. Obviously didn't affect any wires that the Canadians put up.

So your point is, it’s nothing to be concerned about?

My point is that figuring out what kind of damage would be done by a modern day CME is just speculation. No one really knows. It's like saying if some rogue country detonated a nuclear device over the USA, the resulting EMP would put the country back into the pre-industrial age. No one knows what would happen. If it was a sure thing, some USA hating entity would have done it already. I don't want to take away the enjoyment of picturing the apocalypse, but it's not something that should be just accepted as a undisputable fact. Yes, we should be concerned about anything that could possibly hurt us, but based on what we do know about a CME from our Sun, the damage would not be a country extinction kind of event.

It does any discussion little good to go about throwing around patently false statements such as "1859 CME event that destroyed all telegraph lines in the country. " The 1859 event did no such thing and while there were a few cases of uninsulated telegraph lines being impacted the whole U.S. or worldwide telegraphic system such a CME would have impacted telegraphic system worldwide.

What is notable about the 1859 event was it was the first time in human history that we had infrastructure that would be shown to be impacted by such solar events in this case parts of the telegraph system by then in widespread use. So it is absorbing from a historical and even technological point of view exaggerating its impact isn't called for. It is also good to remember that humans are incapable of generating the kind of CME event that the sun is able to produce.

Man, the fact check mob sure cane out in force in this one because I didn't word it exactly like they would. You would think I killed someone.

From what I understand, the theory is that a potent enough CME pointed in the right direction would/could have the same effect as an EMP in terms of its impact on electronic equipment. And it's true, I've heard tons of speculation and conjecture about this, but have never seen anything indisputedly definitive as to exactly what that impact might be.

If there is someone who has some actual facts and credible data to bring to the table in that regard , that would be interesting.

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 5:13 pm From what I understand, the theory is that a potent enough CME pointed in the right direction would/could have the same effect as an EMP in terms of its impact on electronic equipment. And it's true, I've heard tons of speculation and conjecture about this, but have never seen anything indisputedly definitive as to exactly what that impact might be.

If there is someone who has some actual facts and credible data to bring to the table in that regard , that would be interesting.

I think it would be a guess because the last time there was an event of this magnitude, it was the 1800s and it was significantly less powerfull.


It would also likely depend on various factors. Factors like was the full force directed at earth as well as what part of the earth was facing the sun at the time.

Does that satisfy the fact checkers or do I need to go read every newspaper from the 1800s?

Do I believe it is possible for every non hardened electronic device, the power grid, satellites, and communication network on earth to be wiped out if a CME is powerfull enough?

Yes.

This CME was on the far side of the sun and was still powerfull enough to charge the atmosphere. The Carrington event could have been a large event that missed the earth but was close enough to cause damage. It could have been a small event that was a direct hit. They did not have the technology to know at the time.

Reading newspaper articles from 1859 could give you an idea of the damage but would not tell you much about the size or direction of the CME itself.

markharr wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 12:23 pm

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 12:16 pm I missed this too, but I take it that the CME erupted a different direction?

There is a good dystopian fiction novel on this subject called “When the English Fall”.

It erupted away from the earth but was powerful enough to make the northern lights visible much further to the south.

They could certainly be seen from southern Dcotland from what I hear.

gkearney wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 2:49 pm It does any discussion little good to go about throwing around patently false statements such as "1859 CME event that destroyed all telegraph lines in the country. " The 1859 event did no such thing and while there were a few cases of uninsulated telegraph lines being impacted the whole U.S. or worldwide telegraphic system such a CME would have impacted telegraphic system worldwide.

What is notable about the 1859 event was it was the first time in human history that we had infrastructure that would be shown to be impacted by such solar events in this case parts of the telegraph system by then in widespread use. So it is absorbing from a historical and even technological point of view exaggerating its impact isn't called for. It is also good to remember that humans are incapable of generating the kind of CME event that the sun is able to produce.

The fact it had any such effect in a more primitive infrastructure is significant.

The more obvious issue today would be satellites and indeed the ISS which seem more likely to be affected as they do not have the same level of protection.

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 12:27 pm It is only a matter of time until a CME will erupt pointing the right/wrong direction.

What I don’t completely grasp is how all of this corresponds with the speed of light, in terms of timing.

How long ago would something like that have happened, before we even become aware that it might be headed our way?

No expert.

But apparently differerent types of CMEs have different speeds.

I get emails from these guys that keep me updated.

www.spaceweather.com

There are others sites.

Keep that years supply on hand I'd say.

Sir H

endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 11:06 am Just a matter of time.

Me post rate just dropped to 2.00, permitting me to add me two cents.

My join time was 5:55am, so the fact that it dropped at least several minutes after that was unexpected.

Observing the change clues me in it’s not based on whole days.

Which is weird, because newbies often start out with 1.00 or 2.00 posts per day showing on their profile. Oh well. search.php?keywords=000002 will find related bog posts too with huge text. March8 is when the SVB debacle began.

"2023/ 3/23 13:37 Update
The solar wind has returned to average speed. The magnetosphere is calm.

The speed of the solar wind is,
500 km/sec until this morning,
It dropped from there,
The magnetic field strength has also returned to an average level of 6nT.
The magnetic field strength has also weakened slightly from an average of 6 nT to 3 nT at the end of the graph.

The increase in solar wind speed seems to have been a temporary change.
The effect of the coronal hole visible to the south of the SDO satellite AIA193
It seems to be coming from now on.
After this, the magnetic field strength of the solar wind will strengthen again,
This may be the beginning of a full-scale high-speed wind.

The north-south component of the solar wind magnetic field has been shifting toward the north since the latter half of the graph.
The current magnetosphere is calm,
The AE index has not changed since the middle of the graph.
The sun is in a calm state, with only small changes in C1 to C2 occurring,
C1 to C2, and it is calm.
"
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

and yet haarp caused magnetosphere disturbance is picked up as 500 nano tesla level reached .. an observer estimates direction would be toward south america or oceania region ..



(https://www.emsc-csem.org/#5w)

mike_rumble wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 2:21 pm

tmac wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 12:44 pm

mike_rumble wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2023, 12:41 pm

Just so everyone knows. The 1859 event did NOT destroy all telegraph lines in the country. Some copper overhead lines were affected, but it was probably more like .001% or even less of the lines strung at the time. It's just fear mongering to say that a CME would take out every electronic device on earth along with the power grid etc. Maybe if life was a science fiction movie.
Even the article linked to, repeats the same tired refrain that all over the world such and such happened. Best way to prove it wasn't as bad is just go and read newspapers from that time. I haven't read a lot of them, but a long time ago I checked out some of the Canadian newspapers of the day, and found only two small articles about the event and those were about telegraph wires being damaged somewhere in the USA. Obviously didn't affect any wires that the Canadians put up.

So your point is, it’s nothing to be concerned about?

My point is that figuring out what kind of damage would be done by a modern day CME is just speculation. No one really knows. It's like saying if some rogue country detonated a nuclear device over the USA, the resulting EMP would put the country back into the pre-industrial age. No one knows what would happen. If it was a sure thing, some USA hating entity would have done it already. I don't want to take away the enjoyment of picturing the apocalypse, but it's not something that should be just accepted as a undisputable fact. Yes, we should be concerned about anything that could possibly hurt us, but based on what we do know about a CME from our Sun, the damage would not be a country extinction kind of event.

The rest of the disaster cycle theory entails much further destruction though, as a CME of sufficient strength will cause mass disturbance to the Earth's electromagnetic field and trigger mega quakes,(the biblical kind) and tsunami's from HELL. Also, considering such an event could cause a pole flip (not a gradual one, but quite suddenly) that could rewrite global weather and climate to the extremes.

In a nutshell, Earth's magnetosphere has been weakening at an accelerating rate just as the sun is entering its solar maximum phase. And we're already overdue for the next 12000 year solar catastrophe cycle. It's all shaping together into a perfect storm.

All of that stuff about CME causing megaquakes and tsunamis is pure fiction. The earth's 'magnetosphere' ebbs and flows all the time. Saying a weak 'magnetosphere' combined with a 'maximum' solar phase will cause such things is like pointing to an alignment of planets and predicting catastrophe. People have done this many times and nothing ever happens.The planets are too small to make a difference, just as CMEs are too weak to do physical damage to the earth. The magnetic pole moves around all the time and does not rewrite weather and climate. Even if it should completely reverse, there is no scientific proof that even that would rewrite weather and climate. I'd be interested in reading any peer reviewed publications that say otherwise. Maybe you could post some links to these if you have them handy. Any records to show there is a solar catastrophe every 12000 years?

Here is an article that talks about the solar cycle. Nothing about 12000 years here: https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/solar-cycles/en/