48 pages of--Look what WE did!

[Seed Starter]

I'm sure many of you saw the email about this tonight. The timing on this is awesome a month after considering that matter closed and general conference is fast approaching. Yay!
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... se-in-need

Reporting this to members is one thing but they published it for the world on their news outlet:

https://www.ksl.com/article/50606243/ch ... ealth-care

"As Christ’s Church, the First Presidency said in the report, the faith is simply doing what the Savior of the world would do."

Oh really? Jesus said what he would do right here:
Matthew 6
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

I don’t think Jesus was kidding when he said this. The church knows scriptures better than I but publishing this for the world on KSL flies in the face of His words. Jesus didn’t add any qualifiers for when its ok to do this but a church with His name in it should take those scriptures seriously.

“As His followers, we seek to love God and our neighbors throughout the world,” the First Presidency said. “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is eager to bless others and to help those in need. We are blessed to have the ability, resources, and trusted global connections to carry out this sacred responsibility, which we consider a joyful privilege.”

I wouldn’t give a dime much less $32 million to the UN. The UN can do whatever it wants after that check clears. The UN is wicked worldiness incarnate. They work evil under cover of fixing the world. They make Biden look like an innocent little puppy. Just look at the leftist and some bad conservatives who LOVE the UN and globalism in general. It is the ultimate command and control situation. The UN would offer nothing close to the US constitution if they held sway over regions like they want. Real freedom will cease in the name of eliminating poverty or saving the planet or whatever SDG they enact.

In my opinion the church should be actively against the secret combination called the UN. If Jesus comes back after they (the UN) gets what they want they would certainly fight against Him in the name of Equity or some other secular idol. Perhaps by working so closely with the UN the church hopes to usher in the 2nd coming but that sounds completely crazy. I get the allure of opening doors to nations for missionary work and humanitarian things but the most humanitarian thing we can do for the world is end the UN or at least withhold any support or cooperation. Mark my words, (pun intended) the antichrist will work for an NGO.

P.S. why didn't they just use shell corporations to hide the charitable giving and service? So they keep investments secret out of fear that donations might slow but have zero issues disobeying the direction of Christ himself "that thine alms may be in secret"? Apparently, every day is opposite day and nobody told me. Try making this point to your LDS friends and see if they become slippery as eels when faced with conflicts like this. The church of Christ should strive to live higher laws. I don't want to tear down the gospel. I want the church I still belong to to follow Him. That's all.

[Seed Starter]

What am I missing here? This seems so crazy. How would they think nobody would point this out? I feel like I'm in the middle of an elaborate prank. This feels other-dimensional. Are that many beyond feeling? Can someone create some sort of logic diagram to make this make sense?

[Chip]

Interestingly, the word "vaccine" only appears once in the 48-page report:

This year, the donations of Church members and friends to Light the World provided meals, clothing for children, polio vaccines, chickens to help struggling families, feminine hygiene kits, and more. People from around the world contributed, with total donations exceeding millions.

This bullet item was given without elaboration, but probably covered COVID "vaccine" payments:

* Funded 6 major immunization projects globally

The words "equity", "inclusion", and "diversity" do not appear in the document.

The phrase "sustainable development goals" appeared once:

DURING A 2022 CONFERENCE on the United
Nations’ sustainable development goals, Bishop
L. Todd Budge said, “If we act as good stewards [of
the earth], there are plenty of resources for the needs
of our brothers and sisters around the globe.”

The word "gender" appeared once:

We try to follow the example of Jesus
Christ in caring for those in need—
regardless of location, race, nationality,
gender, religious belief, or political affiliation—without expectation of return.

I think the report was written in a way to not press anyone's alarm buttons.

[lundbaek]

It has become very apparent to me that "opening doors to nations for missionary work and humanitarian things" is more important than criticizing the United Nations, even is spite of the criticism heaped on the UN by past LDS Church authorities like J. Reuben Clark and Ezra Taft Benson.

[Robin Hood]

I don't believe the church should be giving anything to humanitarian needs, that is not its remit.
Church members should, certainly, but not the institution.

[InfoWarrior82]

It has become very apparent to me that "opening doors to nations for missionary work and humanitarian things" is more important than criticizing the United Nations, even is spite of the criticism heaped on the UN by past LDS Church authorities like J. Reuben Clark and Ezra Taft Benson.

The LDS church doesn't know the first thing about missionary work to begin with. This is about signaling to their masters that they are on track with the covenant entered into with them.

[JK4Woods]

…so a billion dollars given to UN charities, is what percentage of $138 billion…??

Yeah, I thought so…. Not even half of the interest it would earn in a savings account, and less than ten percent of the market value gains in the growth funds EPA invests it in….

Pathetic in every sense of the word….

[Reluctant Watchman]

I don't believe the church should be giving anything to humanitarian needs, that is not its remit.
Church members should, certainly, but not the institution.

Really? You think Jesus would just sit there and let poor people die of hunger and starvation?

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

[Reluctant Watchman]

This whole 48 page report is damage control.

[tmac]

Meanwhile, it looks like the Church may be “donating” (flushing down the toilet) up to $350M between SVB and First Republic.

[tmac]

It has become very apparent to me that "opening doors to nations for missionary work and humanitarian things" is more important than criticizing the United Nations, even is spite of the criticism heaped on the UN by past LDS Church authorities like J. Reuben Clark and Ezra Taft Benson.

The LDS church doesn't know the first thing about missionary work to begin with. This is about signaling to their masters that they are on track with the covenant entered into with them.

The concept of Mormon “missionary” work is certainly interesting these days. The Mennonites, with a fraction of the resources, have an active “missionary” program too, but it focuses far more on hands-on service (spending) in disadvantaged places like third world countries and Indian reservations, than it does on proselytizing, marketing and sales in the developed world. The LDS Church is just the opposite, with its current hands-off electronic proselyting efforts in “softer” and more affluent places. What are its real motivations?

[Subcomandante]

I'm sure many of you saw the email about this tonight. The timing on this is awesome a month after considering that matter closed and general conference is fast approaching. Yay!
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... se-in-need

Reporting this to members is one thing but they published it for the world on their news outlet:

https://www.ksl.com/article/50606243/ch ... ealth-care

"As Christ’s Church, the First Presidency said in the report, the faith is simply doing what the Savior of the world would do."

Oh really? Jesus said what he would do right here:
Matthew 6
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

I don’t think Jesus was kidding when he said this. The church knows scriptures better than I but publishing this for the world on KSL flies in the face of His words. Jesus didn’t add any qualifiers for when its ok to do this but a church with His name in it should take those scriptures seriously.

“As His followers, we seek to love God and our neighbors throughout the world,” the First Presidency said. “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is eager to bless others and to help those in need. We are blessed to have the ability, resources, and trusted global connections to carry out this sacred responsibility, which we consider a joyful privilege.”

I wouldn’t give a dime much less $32 million to the UN. The UN can do whatever it wants after that check clears. The UN is wicked worldiness incarnate. They work evil under cover of fixing the world. They make Biden look like an innocent little puppy. Just look at the leftist and some bad conservatives who LOVE the UN and globalism in general. It is the ultimate command and control situation. The UN would offer nothing close to the US constitution if they held sway over regions like they want. Real freedom will cease in the name of eliminating poverty or saving the planet or whatever SDG they enact.

In my opinion the church should be actively against the secret combination called the UN. If Jesus comes back after they (the UN) gets what they want they would certainly fight against Him in the name of Equity or some other secular idol. Perhaps by working so closely with the UN the church hopes to usher in the 2nd coming but that sounds completely crazy. I get the allure of opening doors to nations for missionary work and humanitarian things but the most humanitarian thing we can do for the world is end the UN or at least withhold any support or cooperation. Mark my words, (pun intended) the antichrist will work for an NGO.

P.S. why didn't they just use shell corporations to hide the charitable giving and service? So they keep investments secret out of fear that donations might slow but have zero issues disobeying the direction of Christ himself "that thine alms may be in secret"? Apparently, every day is opposite day and nobody told me. Try making this point to your LDS friends and see if they become slippery as eels when faced with conflicts like this. The church of Christ should strive to live higher laws. I don't want to tear down the gospel. I want the church I still belong to to follow Him. That's all.

I don't see a single thing in all of that report that is bad. Helping out your common man in charitable actions is always seen as good. Sure, maybe not report it before the world. But then many of the usual suspects would complain that the Church is being opaque anyway.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I'm sure many of you saw the email about this tonight. The timing on this is awesome a month after considering that matter closed and general conference is fast approaching. Yay!
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... se-in-need

Reporting this to members is one thing but they published it for the world on their news outlet:

https://www.ksl.com/article/50606243/ch ... ealth-care

"As Christ’s Church, the First Presidency said in the report, the faith is simply doing what the Savior of the world would do."

Oh really? Jesus said what he would do right here:
Matthew 6
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

I don’t think Jesus was kidding when he said this. The church knows scriptures better than I but publishing this for the world on KSL flies in the face of His words. Jesus didn’t add any qualifiers for when its ok to do this but a church with His name in it should take those scriptures seriously.

“As His followers, we seek to love God and our neighbors throughout the world,” the First Presidency said. “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is eager to bless others and to help those in need. We are blessed to have the ability, resources, and trusted global connections to carry out this sacred responsibility, which we consider a joyful privilege.”

I wouldn’t give a dime much less $32 million to the UN. The UN can do whatever it wants after that check clears. The UN is wicked worldiness incarnate. They work evil under cover of fixing the world. They make Biden look like an innocent little puppy. Just look at the leftist and some bad conservatives who LOVE the UN and globalism in general. It is the ultimate command and control situation. The UN would offer nothing close to the US constitution if they held sway over regions like they want. Real freedom will cease in the name of eliminating poverty or saving the planet or whatever SDG they enact.

In my opinion the church should be actively against the secret combination called the UN. If Jesus comes back after they (the UN) gets what they want they would certainly fight against Him in the name of Equity or some other secular idol. Perhaps by working so closely with the UN the church hopes to usher in the 2nd coming but that sounds completely crazy. I get the allure of opening doors to nations for missionary work and humanitarian things but the most humanitarian thing we can do for the world is end the UN or at least withhold any support or cooperation. Mark my words, (pun intended) the antichrist will work for an NGO.

P.S. why didn't they just use shell corporations to hide the charitable giving and service? So they keep investments secret out of fear that donations might slow but have zero issues disobeying the direction of Christ himself "that thine alms may be in secret"? Apparently, every day is opposite day and nobody told me. Try making this point to your LDS friends and see if they become slippery as eels when faced with conflicts like this. The church of Christ should strive to live higher laws. I don't want to tear down the gospel. I want the church I still belong to to follow Him. That's all.

I don't see a single thing in all of that report that is bad. Helping out your common man in charitable actions is always seen as good. Sure, maybe not report it before the world. But then many of the usual suspects would complain that the Church is being opaque anyway.

Sub, timing is everything.

[Robin Hood]

I don't believe the church should be giving anything to humanitarian needs, that is not its remit.
Church members should, certainly, but not the institution.

Really? You think Jesus would just sit there and let poor people die of hunger and starvation?

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

You didn't read what I said properly.
It is not the purpose of the institution to provide for humanitarian needs, but it is the remit of the members (ecclesia) to do so.
If the Saints understood the law of tithing correctly, and if the institution quit teaching it falsely, the church would not have such an embarrassment of riches, and the members would have more disposable income with which to assist the poor and needy.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I don't believe the church should be giving anything to humanitarian needs, that is not its remit.
Church members should, certainly, but not the institution.

Really? You think Jesus would just sit there and let poor people die of hunger and starvation?

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

You didn't read what I said properly.
It is not the purpose of the institution to provide for humanitarian needs, but it is the remit of the members (ecclesia) to do so.
If the Saints understood the law of tithing correctly, and if the institution quit teaching it falsely, the church would not have such an embarrassment of riches, and the members would have more disposable income with which to assist the poor and needy.

I agree on the abuse of modern tithes. But even then, if it were done on surplus, little of it should go to the operational needs. We shouldn't have "fine sanctuaries." Read Malachi 2-3 again. The storehouse was for the poor, to care for those in need. We've got it backward today. The "storehouse" now supports an ungodly institution.

If the church were doing its duty today, it would be teaching and living the Law of Consecration, and not the way it is taught in the LDS temple.

[Robin Hood]

Really? You think Jesus would just sit there and let poor people die of hunger and starvation?

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

You didn't read what I said properly.
It is not the purpose of the institution to provide for humanitarian needs, but it is the remit of the members (ecclesia) to do so.
If the Saints understood the law of tithing correctly, and if the institution quit teaching it falsely, the church would not have such an embarrassment of riches, and the members would have more disposable income with which to assist the poor and needy.

I agree on the abuse of modern tithes. But even then, if it were done on surplus, little of it should go to the operational needs. We shouldn't have "fine sanctuaries." Read Malachi 2-3 again. The storehouse was for the poor, to care for those in need. We've got it backward today. The "storehouse" now supports an ungodly institution.

If the church were doing its duty today, it would be teaching and living the Law of Consecration, and not the way it is taught in the LDS temple.

I know you don't like it when this is pointed out, but Malachi is pretty much irrelevant, because the Law of Tithing for the last days is fully outlined in D&C 119. That is our law of tithing. It bears little resemblance to the OT law other than the phrase "one tenth".

[Reluctant Watchman]

I know you don't like it when this is pointed out, but Malachi is pretty much irrelevant, because the Law of Tithing for the last days is fully outlined in D&C 119. That is our law of tithing. It bears little resemblance to the OT law other than the phrase "one tenth".

No, it is not "irrelevant." Tithes are for the basic maintenance of the church when the church itself regulates expenditures with the consent of the members. AND, these tithes should also be used to care for those in need on a larger scale. And yes, the members also care for those in need by giving a "fast offering". They should also be living a full consecration, which btw, is not given to the church to then be handed back to them. The law of consecration is fully lived among those who have made such covenants to do so. Those who choose not to consecrate their all do not enjoy the blessings that come from it.

[Niyr]

I know you don't like it when this is pointed out, but Malachi is pretty much irrelevant, because the Law of Tithing for the last days is fully outlined in D&C 119. That is our law of tithing. It bears little resemblance to the OT law other than the phrase "one tenth".

No, it is not "irrelevant." Tithes are for the basic maintenance of the church when the church itself regulates expenditures with the consent of the members. AND, these tithes should also be used to care for those in need on a larger scale. And yes, the members also care for those in need by giving a "fast offering". They should also be living a full consecration, which btw, is not given to the church to then be handed back to them. The law of consecration is fully lived among those who have made such covenants to do so. Those who choose not to consecrate their all do not enjoy the blessings that come from it.

The Law of Tithing is given in D&C 119. It's uses are for specific things, and says nothing about tithing to be used for the needy. That's what offerings are for.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I know you don't like it when this is pointed out, but Malachi is pretty much irrelevant, because the Law of Tithing for the last days is fully outlined in D&C 119. That is our law of tithing. It bears little resemblance to the OT law other than the phrase "one tenth".

No, it is not "irrelevant." Tithes are for the basic maintenance of the church when the church itself regulates expenditures with the consent of the members. AND, these tithes should also be used to care for those in need on a larger scale. And yes, the members also care for those in need by giving a "fast offering". They should also be living a full consecration, which btw, is not given to the church to then be handed back to them. The law of consecration is fully lived among those who have made such covenants to do so. Those who choose not to consecrate their all do not enjoy the blessings that come from it.

The Law of Tithing is given in D&C 119. It's uses are for specific things, and says nothing about tithing to be used for the needy. That's what offerings are for.

I don’t agree with everything 119 outlines, that’s my point. Contrary to the belief of some, I don’t always agree with Joseph (or at least people’s interpretations of what Joseph said).

[endlessQuestions]

I don't believe the church should be giving anything to humanitarian needs, that is not its remit.
Church members should, certainly, but not the institution.

Amen.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Wow… this is interesting. While I take issue w/ much of what the church does, I’m one of the few proponents for supporting an organized, collective effort to care for the poor using a church structure.

[Robin Hood]

I know you don't like it when this is pointed out, but Malachi is pretty much irrelevant, because the Law of Tithing for the last days is fully outlined in D&C 119. That is our law of tithing. It bears little resemblance to the OT law other than the phrase "one tenth".

No, it is not "irrelevant." Tithes are for the basic maintenance of the church when the church itself regulates expenditures with the consent of the members. AND, these tithes should also be used to care for those in need on a larger scale. And yes, the members also care for those in need by giving a "fast offering". They should also be living a full consecration, which btw, is not given to the church to then be handed back to them. The law of consecration is fully lived among those who have made such covenants to do so. Those who choose not to consecrate their all do not enjoy the blessings that come from it.

Have you read D&C 119?

[Reluctant Watchman]

Have you read D&C 119?

Si señor.

[Robin Hood]

Have you read D&C 119?

Si señor.

Have you understood it?

[Reluctant Watchman]

Have you read D&C 119?

Si señor.

Have you understood it?

Yes, I don't agree with it in many instances.