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Officially.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 9:19 pm I mean, I don't know of any, but I just thought since we live in a time of radical equality, it would only be fair to start the conversation.
He showed up.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:20 pm Not a peep, eh?
Well, I guess we've identified one of "The Problems w LDS Culture" then, haven't we?
I don't blame y'all. No one wants to be the first to touch the Third Rail.
A rather shocking experience, I've heard.
EDIT: Sir H was posting at the very time I was! Leave it to a knight to bravely ride into battle when no one else will. Well done, Sir H. Well done!
Ok, I'll start, then.HVDC wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:28 pmHe showed up.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:20 pm Not a peep, eh?
Well, I guess we've identified one of "The Problems w LDS Culture" then, haven't we?
I don't blame y'all. No one wants to be the first to touch the Third Rail.
A rather shocking experience, I've heard.
EDIT: Sir H was posting at the very time I was! Leave it to a knight to bravely ride into battle when no one else will. Well done, Sir H. Well done!
Loudly declared the Queens proclamation.
Threw down the gauntlet.
Boldly circled the question.
Claimed the Queens favor.
And galloped away!
As all brave knights do in these perilous times.
Sir H
Absolutely! LDS women have failed to understand what part of their job is. It may sound chauvinistic to some but as a husband I don't want to work all day and come home to hotdogs. If your going to complain about how busy you are then please, let's switch places. I will stay at home and take care of these things while you go work 8-12 hours a day. Then come home and mow the lawn, take little Bobby to practice etc.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:31 pmOk, I'll start, then.HVDC wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:28 pmHe showed up.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:20 pm Not a peep, eh?
Well, I guess we've identified one of "The Problems w LDS Culture" then, haven't we?
I don't blame y'all. No one wants to be the first to touch the Third Rail.
A rather shocking experience, I've heard.
EDIT: Sir H was posting at the very time I was! Leave it to a knight to bravely ride into battle when no one else will. Well done, Sir H. Well done!
Loudly declared the Queens proclamation.
Threw down the gauntlet.
Boldly circled the question.
Claimed the Queens favor.
And galloped away!
As all brave knights do in these perilous times.
Sir H
One problem I've observed with LDS women is that they think they will somehow drag their husbands to heaven with them by ignoring their familial duties while slavishly trying to keep up with the unreasonable demands of an institutionally abusive organization that has no boundaries it won't cross in terms of the amount of time, energy, or attention it will demand from its willing victims.
I mean, I'm no knight in shining armor
But I do have an opinion about such things.
Who's next?
Vivid imagery, Rosy Posy.RosyPosy wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:50 pm I'm single as a pringle so I'll give my perspective.
Single LDS women spend alot of time in their hamster wheels. Chasing the guy's that they perceive as a good priesthood holders and gives them the "warm and fuzzies", but those guys won't commit. The rest of the 80% of men are in the friendzone to be used as emotional tampons.
I know what my wife would say to this. But I will let others comment instead of sharing.Erastothenes wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:45 pmAbsolutely! LDS women have failed to understand what part of their job is. It may sound chauvinistic to some but as a husband I don't want to work all day and come home to hotdogs. If your going to complain about how busy you are then please, let's switch places. I will stay at home and take care of these things while you go work 8-12 hours a day. Then come home and mow the lawn, take little Bobby to practice etc.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:31 pmOk, I'll start, then.
One problem I've observed with LDS women is that they think they will somehow drag their husbands to heaven with them by ignoring their familial duties while slavishly trying to keep up with the unreasonable demands of an institutionally abusive organization that has no boundaries it won't cross in terms of the amount of time, energy, or attention it will demand from its willing victims.
I mean, I'm no knight in shining armor
But I do have an opinion about such things.
Who's next?
I've certainly seen that as well.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:31 pmOk, I'll start, then.HVDC wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:28 pmHe showed up.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:20 pm Not a peep, eh?
Well, I guess we've identified one of "The Problems w LDS Culture" then, haven't we?
I don't blame y'all. No one wants to be the first to touch the Third Rail.
A rather shocking experience, I've heard.
EDIT: Sir H was posting at the very time I was! Leave it to a knight to bravely ride into battle when no one else will. Well done, Sir H. Well done!
Loudly declared the Queens proclamation.
Threw down the gauntlet.
Boldly circled the question.
Claimed the Queens favor.
And galloped away!
As all brave knights do in these perilous times.
Sir H
One problem I've observed with LDS women is that they think they will somehow drag their husbands to heaven with them by ignoring their familial duties while slavishly trying to keep up with the unreasonable demands of an institutionally abusive organization that has no boundaries it won't cross in terms of the amount of time, energy, or attention it will demand from its willing victims.
I mean, I'm no knight in shining armor
But I do have an opinion about such things.
Who's next?
It's all from person observation. I seen plenty of what I thought were good LDS girls go after the rebellious smoker.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:53 pmVivid imagery, Rosy Posy.RosyPosy wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:50 pm I'm single as a pringle so I'll give my perspective.
Single LDS women spend alot of time in their hamster wheels. Chasing the guy's that they perceive as a good priesthood holders and gives them the "warm and fuzzies", but those guys won't commit. The rest of the 80% of men are in the friendzone to be used as emotional tampons.
Vivid imagery, indeed.
As a single man who has been in the position of "friendzone" with now dozens of women, I can testify this is true.RosyPosy wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:50 pm I'm single as a pringle so I'll give my perspective.
Single LDS women spend alot of time in their hamster wheels. Chasing the guy's that they perceive as a good priesthood holders and gives them the "warm and fuzzies", but those guys won't commit. The rest of the 80% of men are in the friendzone to be used as emotional tampons.
They don't want a husband! They just want a manikinish.....play thing with lots of money!J2 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 11:11 pmAs a single man who has been in the position of "friendzone" with now dozens of women, I can testify this is true.RosyPosy wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:50 pm I'm single as a pringle so I'll give my perspective.
Single LDS women spend alot of time in their hamster wheels. Chasing the guy's that they perceive as a good priesthood holders and gives them the "warm and fuzzies", but those guys won't commit. The rest of the 80% of men are in the friendzone to be used as emotional tampons.
Women are VERY picky.
Do you think moms or wives do nothing all day? That's adorable.Erastothenes wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:45 pmAbsolutely! LDS women have failed to understand what part of their job is. It may sound chauvinistic to some but as a husband I don't want to work all day and come home to hotdogs. If your going to complain about how busy you are then please, let's switch places. I will stay at home and take care of these things while you go work 8-12 hours a day. Then come home and mow the lawn, take little Bobby to practice etc.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:31 pmOk, I'll start, then.
One problem I've observed with LDS women is that they think they will somehow drag their husbands to heaven with them by ignoring their familial duties while slavishly trying to keep up with the unreasonable demands of an institutionally abusive organization that has no boundaries it won't cross in terms of the amount of time, energy, or attention it will demand from its willing victims.
I mean, I'm no knight in shining armor
But I do have an opinion about such things.
Who's next?
I would simply like to point out that LadyT is not my wife.LadyT wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 11:35 pmDo you think moms or wives do nothing all day? That's adorable.Erastothenes wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:45 pmAbsolutely! LDS women have failed to understand what part of their job is. It may sound chauvinistic to some but as a husband I don't want to work all day and come home to hotdogs. If your going to complain about how busy you are then please, let's switch places. I will stay at home and take care of these things while you go work 8-12 hours a day. Then come home and mow the lawn, take little Bobby to practice etc.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:31 pm
Ok, I'll start, then.
One problem I've observed with LDS women is that they think they will somehow drag their husbands to heaven with them by ignoring their familial duties while slavishly trying to keep up with the unreasonable demands of an institutionally abusive organization that has no boundaries it won't cross in terms of the amount of time, energy, or attention it will demand from its willing victims.
I mean, I'm no knight in shining armor
But I do have an opinion about such things.
Who's next?
You must not have any idea of the work it takes to run a house and take care of kids. There is never a time off when you are a stay at home mom.
Their immodesty and worldliness.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 9:19 pm I mean, I don't know of any, but I just thought since we live in a time of radical equality, it would only be fair to start the conversation.
Jehovah says, moreover, Because the women of Zion are haughty and put on airs, painting their eyes, ever flirting when they walk and clacking with their feet, my Lord will afflict the scalps of the women of Zion with baldness; Jehovah will expose their private parts.
In that day my Lord will strip away their finery—the anklets, head ornaments and crescents, the pendants, chains and scarves, tiaras, bracelets and ribbons, zodiac signs and charm amulets, the rings, the noselets, the elegant dress, the shawl, the kerchief and the purse, hosiery, sheer linen, millinery, and cloaks.
And instead of perfume there shall be a stench, instead of the girdle, a piece of twine, instead of the coiffure, baldness, instead of the festive dress, a loincloth of burlap; for in place of beauty there shall be ignominy.
Your men shall be felled by the sword, your might overthrown in war. Her gateways shall lie bereaved and forlorn; she shall sit on the ground destitute.
Some of us aren't even friendzoned. I'm the slightly eccentric middle aged man at the back barely anyone talks to and feels like part of the furniture. I'm probably seen as slightly scary if I'm noticed at all! Two or three years of total madness in the world haven't helped my self-confidence either.RosyPosy wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:50 pm I'm single as a pringle so I'll give my perspective.
Single LDS women spend alot of time in their hamster wheels. Chasing the guy's that they perceive as a good priesthood holders and gives them the "warm and fuzzies", but those guys won't commit. The rest of the 80% of men are in the friendzone to be used as emotional tampons.
My wife and I live a form of consecration. We pay into a pot according to our abilities to cover or needs. The rest we keep, and do whatever we want with, within reason. Of course it's still not all discretionary after our needs are meet, we still agree to pay for things together. It's worked very well for 20+ years.Niemand wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2023, 4:05 amSome of us aren't even friendzoned. I'm the slightly eccentric middle aged man at the back barely anyone talks to and feels like part of the furniture. I'm probably seen as slightly scary if I'm noticed at all! Two or three years of total madness in the world haven't helped my self-confidence either.RosyPosy wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:50 pm I'm single as a pringle so I'll give my perspective.
Single LDS women spend alot of time in their hamster wheels. Chasing the guy's that they perceive as a good priesthood holders and gives them the "warm and fuzzies", but those guys won't commit. The rest of the 80% of men are in the friendzone to be used as emotional tampons.
Most of the single women seem to be either twenty years younger than me or twenty years older than me. I find dating pretty difficult. My two last girlfriend were a Roman Catholic who didn't know what she wanted from me, and an LDS member I dated over Skype who lives abroad... lockdown helped kill both relationships off.
A major issue is that most LDS women want money, much like their secular counterparts. I know one couple where the woman spent a month's worth of her husband's wages in one day – she chased him for money after they divorced. As a single man, that kind of thing is a major deterrent.
. J/K, it shouldn't be about money which all may collapse soon anyhow.Uhoh.Erastothenes wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:45 pmAbsolutely! LDS women have failed to understand what part of their job is. It may sound chauvinistic to some but as a husband I don't want to work all day and come home to hotdogs. If your going to complain about how busy you are then please, let's switch places. I will stay at home and take care of these things while you go work 8-12 hours a day. Then come home and mow the lawn, take little Bobby to practice etc.endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 10:31 pmOk, I'll start, then.
One problem I've observed with LDS women is that they think they will somehow drag their husbands to heaven with them by ignoring their familial duties while slavishly trying to keep up with the unreasonable demands of an institutionally abusive organization that has no boundaries it won't cross in terms of the amount of time, energy, or attention it will demand from its willing victims.
I mean, I'm no knight in shining armor
But I do have an opinion about such things.
Who's next?
....is that very few of them want to stay home and raise a family.The Problem w LDS Women
I met a LOT of families that lived great awesome familial lives in rural Kansas.... I'd bet it's similar even in rural Utah. I'm just not in rural Utah, so I wouldn't know. There's something about the city/city life that is really messing with our perspectives/paradigms.mudflap wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2023, 7:47 am....is that very few of them want to stay home and raise a family.The Problem w LDS Women
I looked high and low for one that actually wanted to raise kids, bake cookies, sew clothes, and be there when the kids came home from school - and I found NONE in Utah. I had to move across the country to find one.
As EQP, my (now-ex) wife challenged me and said she should be able to get a job (even though my income was plenty) because "all the other women in the ward have jobs..." I couldn't believe her, so as I visited with families in the ward, I asked about their personal lives and found out that
every
woman
in
the
entire
ward
had
a
job!
All of them. And very few of them NEEDED the income. One sister told me she had a master's degree that she hadn't used since she got married, but she worked at a shoe store at the mall because of the great discounts on shoes, and also "to get away from my kids".
yup. kids are harder than a master's degree. It takes a gem of a woman to work in that direction.
Gems are rare, but shouldn't be in the Church. Shame on us.
LDS mothers working outside the home isn't a new thing, I'm in my mid 30's and growing up all but one of my friend's mom's worked day jobs, most of us millennials in Utah were latch key kids. What's new is LDS working mothers shaming the mothers that choose to stay home. Our ward is mostly made up of couples in their 30's through 50's, and I can only think of one other mother, other than my wife, that doesn't work outside the home. I can't tell you how many times my wife has been asked by other LDS women "what do you do for work?" followed by a condescending "Oh" when she replies that she's a stay at home mom.Theveilofforgetting wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2023, 8:15 am I think nearly every woman in my ward has a job outside the home (at least for those under 65).
I do not because I home educate and I've loved being available to my children. I know this is seen as strange (within my ward). I remember knowing a few mothers when my kids were little who stayed home even when they had teens. I had so much respect for them.
Now it seems it's looked down upon. I would say its one big change in the past 10 years. It doesn't feel that long ago that homemakers were valued in the church and mothers were encouraged to at least be home with their children for the first 5 years.
Now it's all about all the adults working 7 days a week (even Sunday because the pay is higher) to buy a house or just to make ends meet. Most YSA are still living at home. (This is true in my family too).
I do agree living costs are high but you can still live simply. My family is proof of that.
Honestly I can't see the point of having children if I don't have time or energy to be present with them. So glad I had my children when it was still seen as ok to be a full time sahm. I even noticed how my husband's view changed. He was all about me being the primary parent then by the time I had my last baby, he wanted me to work. It was not what I thought would be optimal for anyone. My husband complained if I left the house for any amount of time so he would not have supported me in that endeavour anyway. Would have been impossible for me to take on more for very little reward. What would I have done?. Childcare...of course.
The problem with LDS women? No idea. I'm one but I'm sure my issues are different to those had by sisters in my ward.