LDS Freedom Forum

Tall.Traveler wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 3:06 pm I posted some comments a few weeks ago expressing my frustrations about how the missionary portal for signing up as a new full-time missionary continues to state that the Covid vaccine is a required vaccine and that if you refuse to get the Covid vaccine you will be assigned to serve in your home country. In spite of the fact that my son has some particular things in his background that make him well suited to serve abroad, he stated in the application that he had not received the Covid vaccine and that he is not willing to get it. Even though most countries do not have Covid restrictions for entering at this point, I expected him to get called somewhere in the U.S.

Well, last week he received his call and he was assigned to a mission in a foreign country. I was surprised, but the calling is a great fit for him. Either inspiration overcame the current Covid vaccine rules or perhaps the Church is finally starting to move beyond its Covid positions. Maybe some of both. Either way, it gives me hope that maybe sanity is beginning to prevail. He's excited about his mission.

Tall.Traveler wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 3:06 pm I posted some comments a few weeks ago expressing my frustrations about how the missionary portal for signing up as a new full-time missionary continues to state that the Covid vaccine is a required vaccine and that if you refuse to get the Covid vaccine you will be assigned to serve in your home country. In spite of the fact that my son has some particular things in his background that make him well suited to serve abroad, he stated in the application that he had not received the Covid vaccine and that he is not willing to get it. Even though most countries do not have Covid restrictions for entering at this point, I expected him to get called somewhere in the U.S.

Well, last week he received his call and he was assigned to a mission in a foreign country. I was surprised, but the calling is a great fit for him. Either inspiration overcame the current Covid vaccine rules or perhaps the Church is finally starting to move beyond its Covid positions. Maybe some of both. Either way, it gives me hope that maybe sanity is beginning to prevail. He's excited about his mission.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 4:36 pm (To the OP) Um… it may not matter. He’s playing Mission President Roulette regardless. I know several missionaries sent home because their MPs lectured them about not “following the prophet” because they wouldn’t get vaccinated.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 4:36 pm (To the OP) Um… it may not matter. He’s playing Mission President Roulette regardless. I know several missionaries sent home because their MPs lectured them about not “following the prophet” because they wouldn’t get vaccinated.

Generic wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 4:54 pm This website, immunize.utah.gov (https://immunize.utah.gov/information-f ... endations/), states the following:

COVID-19 Vaccine:
All missionaries are encouraged to be “good global citizens” (First Presidency, 1/19/2021) and be vaccinated against COVID-19, including the primary series and boosters. For senior missionaries to serve outside their home country, this vaccination is required. It is recommended but not required for young missionaries serving outside their home country unless the assigned country requires it.

I've got to think, being a state government website, that they work closely with the church to keep their info up-to-date.

Tall.Traveler wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 9:42 pmPeru

Tall.Traveler wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 9:46 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 4:36 pm (To the OP) Um… it may not matter. He’s playing Mission President Roulette regardless. I know several missionaries sent home because their MPs lectured them about not “following the prophet” because they wouldn’t get vaccinated.

Probably a risk of that, but there's certainly been full disclosure on our part to Salt Lake who gave him the assignment. I guess we'll see.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 11:12 pm

Tall.Traveler wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 9:46 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 4:36 pm (To the OP) Um… it may not matter. He’s playing Mission President Roulette regardless. I know several missionaries sent home because their MPs lectured them about not “following the prophet” because they wouldn’t get vaccinated.

Probably a risk of that, but there's certainly been full disclosure on our part to Salt Lake who gave him the assignment. I guess we'll see.

It appears that Peru's regulations of entry have been relaxed as of November of last year. I don't think your son will have anything to worry about, EXCEPT if the MP is a control freak when it comes to these things. They were once one of the strictest countries in Latin America, who wouldn't even let people inside buildings unless they showed a vax certificate as recently as October of last year.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 5:28 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 11:12 pm

Tall.Traveler wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 9:46 pm

Probably a risk of that, but there's certainly been full disclosure on our part to Salt Lake who gave him the assignment. I guess we'll see.

It appears that Peru's regulations of entry have been relaxed as of November of last year. I don't think your son will have anything to worry about, EXCEPT if the MP is a control freak when it comes to these things. They were once one of the strictest countries in Latin America, who wouldn't even let people inside buildings unless they showed a vax certificate as recently as October of last year.

“Control freak” is an interesting way to say that they have blind obedience to the arm of flesh.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 6:24 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 5:28 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 11:12 pm

It appears that Peru's regulations of entry have been relaxed as of November of last year. I don't think your son will have anything to worry about, EXCEPT if the MP is a control freak when it comes to these things. They were once one of the strictest countries in Latin America, who wouldn't even let people inside buildings unless they showed a vax certificate as recently as October of last year.

“Control freak” is an interesting way to say that they have blind obedience to the arm of flesh.

The arm of flesh does not refer to the vaccines. It is a Hebraic expression that can best be translated as exclusively the strength of a human with his possessions. It was an expression referring to humanity leaning exclusively unto their own understanding instead of looking to God for understanding.

A control freak is simply that: A control freak. They could be religious figures or secular figures.

Tall.Traveler wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 3:06 pm I posted some comments a few weeks ago expressing my frustrations about how the missionary portal for signing up as a new full-time missionary continues to state that the Covid vaccine is a required vaccine and that if you refuse to get the Covid vaccine you will be assigned to serve in your home country. In spite of the fact that my son has some particular things in his background that make him well suited to serve abroad, he stated in the application that he had not received the Covid vaccine and that he is not willing to get it. Even though most countries do not have Covid restrictions for entering at this point, I expected him to get called somewhere in the U.S.

Well, last week he received his call and he was assigned to a mission in a foreign country. I was surprised, but the calling is a great fit for him. Either inspiration overcame the current Covid vaccine rules or perhaps the Church is finally starting to move beyond its Covid positions. Maybe some of both. Either way, it gives me hope that maybe sanity is beginning to prevail. He's excited about his mission.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 6:40 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 6:24 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 5:28 am

“Control freak” is an interesting way to say that they have blind obedience to the arm of flesh.

The arm of flesh does not refer to the vaccines. It is a Hebraic expression that can best be translated as exclusively the strength of a human with his possessions. It was an expression referring to humanity leaning exclusively unto their own understanding instead of looking to God for understanding.

A control freak is simply that: A control freak. They could be religious figures or secular figures.

These MPs are worshipping their idols… I mean, even the church gives a young missionary an “out” in not taking the jab in their own Handbook, but most MPs are hellbent on “follow the prophet.” That’s the point I was making.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 7:44 am
The prophet gave the blueprint when it came to vaccinations. Consult with your doctor. Pray to the Lord for guidance. Don't get them just because the prophet (who happened to be a doctor previously) got them. Do your homework and act accordingly.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 7:47 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 7:44 am
The prophet gave the blueprint when it came to vaccinations. Consult with your doctor. Pray to the Lord for guidance. Don't get them just because the prophet (who happened to be a doctor previously) got them. Do your homework and act accordingly.

Oh, heck, Sub… “Consult w/ your doctor” was the lawyers trying not to get their @sses sued in court. We’ve gone the rounds on this over and over and over. These men use duplicitous language. You choose to support and promote the least dominant viewpoint expressed as the most vocally expressed dogma. They asked you to all pray for it, to fast for it, and then told you it literally came from God, that they can’t lead you a stray, and that you can “trust them completely.”

How many members were forced out of callings because they simply stated that the shot was not “safe and effective.” These men made it abundantly clear, it had nothing to do with a shot, it has everything to do with following the leaders.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 7:57 am The vaccines did not literally come from God, but from a bunch of researchers who worked for a long time (months, years even) to get the formulas right, sometimes employing new technology to do so. This can't be done by looking at Bitchute or Rumble for a few hours and then claim that's all the research I need! That is a mentality from the Dark Ages.

The vaccine was a fortuitous event that assisted in easing the problems in many countries. In fact that is how "Godsend" is defined in the Oxford dictionary.

"A very helpful or valuable event, person, or thing".

Webster is even more precise:

"A desirable or needed event that comes unexpectedly".

Godsend does NOT mean "sent from God."

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 8:03 am And… the jab was in the works waaaay before they told you they were working on it. Way before the plandemic.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 7:57 am The vaccines did not literally come from God, but from a bunch of researchers who worked for a long time (months, years even) to get the formulas right, sometimes employing new technology to do so. This can't be done by looking at Bitchute or Rumble for a few hours and then claim that's all the research I need! That is a mentality from the Dark Ages.

The vaccine was a fortuitous event that assisted in easing the problems in many countries. In fact that is how "Godsend" is defined in the Oxford dictionary.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 3:10 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 8:03 am And… the jab was in the works waaaay before they told you they were working on it. Way before the plandemic.

They let the cat out of the bag on that with contradictory press releases. Someone told me that scientists had been working on the Covid shot for years. I asked him how that could be if it was a new disease? He looked confused.

Subcomandante seems to be suffering from the same cognitive dissonance here:

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 7:57 am The vaccines did not literally come from God, but from a bunch of researchers who worked for a long time (months, years even) to get the formulas right, sometimes employing new technology to do so. This can't be done by looking at Bitchute or Rumble for a few hours and then claim that's all the research I need! That is a mentality from the Dark Ages.

The vaccine was a fortuitous event that assisted in easing the problems in many countries. In fact that is how "Godsend" is defined in the Oxford dictionary.

They aren't "vaccines" Subcomandante. they produced an mRNA injection, one that neither prevents the disease nor transmission, and which severely injures and kills a number of people.

They weren't very fortuitous for the boy who dropped dead at my local school recently. He took a heart attack in his mid-teens.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 7:57 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 7:47 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 21st, 2023, 7:44 am
The prophet gave the blueprint when it came to vaccinations. Consult with your doctor. Pray to the Lord for guidance. Don't get them just because the prophet (who happened to be a doctor previously) got them. Do your homework and act accordingly.

Oh, heck, Sub… “Consult w/ your doctor” was the lawyers trying not to get their @sses sued in court. We’ve gone the rounds on this over and over and over. These men use duplicitous language. You choose to support and promote the least dominant viewpoint expressed as the most vocally expressed dogma. They asked you to all pray for it, to fast for it, and then told you it literally came from God, that they can’t lead you a stray, and that you can “trust them completely.”

How many members were forced out of callings because they simply stated that the shot was not “safe and effective.” These men made it abundantly clear, it had nothing to do with a shot, it has everything to do with following the leaders.

The vaccines did not literally come from God, but from a bunch of researchers who worked for a long time (months, years even) to get the formulas right, sometimes employing new technology to do so. This can't be done by looking at Bitchute or Rumble for a few hours and then claim that's all the research I need! That is a mentality from the Dark Ages.

The vaccine was a fortuitous event that assisted in easing the problems in many countries. In fact that is how "Godsend" is defined in the Oxford dictionary.

"A very helpful or valuable event, person, or thing".

Webster is even more precise:

"A desirable or needed event that comes unexpectedly".

Godsend does NOT mean "sent from God."