Temple recommend interviews done via Zoom

[Subcomandante]

AFAIK in my ward and stake, temple recommend interviews have always been done in person with the people going to the interview in Sunday attire.

My bishop barely even knows how to use a computer. But put him on a farm with different animals and ask him for a recommendation on different cuts of meat and preparation, he'll be the first to tell you.

[TheDuke]

Reluctant: I am surprised you brought this up again. It was close to 2 years ago, we had the same discussion and you had the same position. Mine hasn't changed.

I LOVE IT! So. quick, so easy. I never liked going to the stake center and waiting in line anyway. Besides, except for1st timers it is basically a non-issue, other than my 20 minutes on RMN & co and PSR'ing. But even then it was great.

BTW on my mission we did our reporting and stuff via phones in British kiosks on the street! Held many meetings via phone. Even old GC PH session was at stake center via phone. GC is via video today.

I love those on LDS FF using Internet and who-knows IP provider with likely an iPhone or Mac or tablet from China worrying about Zoom? I think that is the height of hypocrisy myself. Only thing more stark would be asking Bill Gates' AI about it!

BTW since you don't go and don't have a recommend and started this discussion a couple years back, it is obvious you are trying for discord and not any real discussion. IMO.

[Thinker]

Did anyone mention the ability to record an interview? Will these interviews be recorded (for quality purposes) and analyzed by AI for tells? Give me 5 minutes and I'll come up with all sort of possible issues. This isn't a good thing IMO

Yes… Especially in context like the push toward social credit systems which some already have & the context & who is known to be spying on Zoom meetings…

With all the dna (spit/nose jab “test”) gathering (with the help of the church’s Family Search) along with China’s KNOWN illegal harvesting & selling of human organs, and along with their threats of war (psychological war already)… it’s surprising how little anyone considers these as serious problems. Even on this forum, people talk about using Zoom like no biggie.


Mormon Church was first client of servers used by China to infiltrate US
“…Two of Elemental’s biggest early clients were the Mormon church, which used the technology to beam sermons to congregations around the world, and the adult film industry, which did not…”
( No wonder so much talk of Porn - competition!
What is it that the lds church has that China wants - must be the psychological projection mixed with wisdom from General/pretend Conference)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... -companies

U.S. lawmakers ask Zoom (which many LDS wards have been using) to clarify China ties after it suspends accounts
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-zoom ... SKBN23I3GP

Zoom executive exposed as Chinese Communist spy who sabotaged anti-China video conferences with child porn and terrorism: DOJ
“Jin provided the Chinese Communist Party with information about users and meetings, even supplying the CCP with IP addresses from anyone who...”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/zoom-empl ... se-spy-doj

Zoom founder & main stockholder, Eric Yuan is Chinese/born in China.

[Niemand]

How do Zoom and Skype make their money? They must be selling something.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Reluctant: I am surprised you brought this up again. It was close to 2 years ago, we had the same discussion and you had the same position. Mine hasn't changed.

I LOVE IT! So. quick, so easy. I never liked going to the stake center and waiting in line anyway. Besides, except for1st timers it is basically a non-issue, other than my 20 minutes on RMN & co and PSR'ing. But even then it was great.

BTW on my mission we did our reporting and stuff via phones in British kiosks on the street! Held many meetings via phone. Even old GC PH session was at stake center via phone. GC is via video today.

I love those on LDS FF using Internet and who-knows IP provider with likely an iPhone or Mac or tablet from China worrying about Zoom? I think that is the height of hypocrisy myself. Only thing more stark would be asking Bill Gates' AI about it!

BTW since you don't go and don't have a recommend and started this discussion a couple years back, it is obvious you are trying for discord and not any real discussion. IMO.

Brought what up again? I’ve never started a thread talking about remote TR interviews.

Getting your undies in a bunch for nothing.

[Reluctant Watchman]

How do Zoom and Skype make their money? They must be selling something.

Subscriptions and corporate accounts. The free version is only 40 minutes and then you have to end the call. But even with that, I’d bet money they are monetizing the data.

[Seed Starter]

I have a friend who just posted online that her stake is doing temple recommend interviews via Zoom… welcome to the digital era! I’m curious if you who still attend church and feel comfortable going through the process of at temple recommend interview, are ok with this.

The temple experience becomes an uninterrupted video presentation, and now we begin remote temple recommend interviews. Why not just make the temple a video presentation that can be done at home? I mean, even the signs and tokens are virtual.

What's next? Press 1 if you're honest in all your dealings. Press 2 if you're not. Press 0 to speak to an AI SP bot about your concerns... My bishop invited me to watch sacrament via texted zoom link a few weeks back. I saw that link on my no internet flip phone I just said thanks.

In a decade or so we'll be able to eliminate all those nasty and let's be honest, bothersome human interactions. It will be a dream come true. Our mortal condition is apparently a contest of efficiency. Technology frees up our time so that we can focus on important things like interacting with people through devices.

Being with someone is > than just seeing and hearing them. There is a spiritual aspect that is missing when we connect via tech. I can't explain why that is other than my spirit in close proximity to other spirits feels different. This is especially true in large groups of people feeling together.
I wrote some things about quorum sensing of microbes/plants in that shtf thread that might apply here in a spiritual sense. This post reminds me of this scripture:

Matthew 18
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

I always assumed "gather" implies physical proximity. My daughter gathers eggs every evening. When gathering is data based it is different but is it different in ways that aren't obvious? Perhaps technology will be able to explain what I feel someday.

[TheDuke]

Brought what up again? I’ve never started a thread talking about remote TR interviews.

Getting your undies in a bunch for nothing.

Ok, I'm sorry then, for a long time I thought you were someone else on FF before you became RW during the COVID thingy. If it truly wasn't you in those days....... my bad.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Brought what up again? I’ve never started a thread talking about remote TR interviews.

Getting your undies in a bunch for nothing.

Ok, I'm sorry then, for a long time I thought you were someone else on FF before you became RW during the COVID thingy. If it truly wasn't you in those days....... my bad.

I’ve only had this account the past few years. I was a TBM in a past life about 5-6 years ago with a different name. I actually left the forum because people weren’t “following the prophet.” Seriously, that’s why I left.

[randyps]

Because in a typical family ward where 500 names are on the roster but only 90 are attending every sunday...virtual needs to be the solution. Of those 410 inactives I bet 300 are still living the restored gospel and could pass a TR interview to do temple work.

The people have spoken...we are tired of inner clicks and lay leaders with bad communication skills, the mormon church culture has left a bad taste for many. A slow move toward virtual solutions will remove a lot of the human idiotic interactive elements.

[Ebenezer]

Because in a typical family ward where 500 names are on the roster but only 90 are attending every sunday...virtual needs to be the solution. Of those 410 inactives I bet 300 are still living the restored gospel and could pass a TR interview to do temple work.

The people have spoken...we are tired of inner clicks and lay leaders with bad communication skills, the mormon church culture has left a bad taste for many. A slow move toward virtual solutions will remove a lot of the human idiotic interactive elements.

AI church?

[Niemand]

How do Zoom and Skype make their money? They must be selling something.

Subscriptions and corporate accounts. The free version is only 40 minutes and then you have to end the call. But even with that, I’d bet money they are monetizing the data.

I'm presuming they sell facial and vocal data.

[Refraction75]

I have a friend who just posted online that her stake is doing temple recommend interviews via Zoom… welcome to the digital era! I’m curious if you who still attend church and feel comfortable going through the process of at temple recommend interview, are ok with this.

The temple experience becomes an uninterrupted video presentation, and now we begin remote temple recommend interviews. Why not just make the temple a video presentation that can be done at home? I mean, even the signs and tokens are virtual.

My last recommend interview (and now I mean "last"!) summer 2020 , started with phone call only, with Bishop - he seemed eager to pass me off quickly to Stake, as he brought the paper to my house within an hour. He probably didn't want to mess with me and my mask defiant behavior ( I'd told nosey neighbor that I wouldn't return to mtgs/activities until masks weren't required)
The masked up stake pres barely tolerated my presence
This was in southern Utah - where the majority were worshipping the governor
I was only just starting to wake up.
In a couple of months, I moved two blocks away - new ward and stake(!) found a few like minded neighbors- but the bishop and stake leaders were total maskholes, policing with gaslighting ( I didn't even know the term then) I attended a few times -unmasked, sitting in way back or foyer - then I stayed home - the theatrics of zoom meetings were tedious and eye opening.
I found a ton of truth about our awful situation by studying on my own-
Moved out of Utah -yay- for starters

Virtual rec interviews might be a good jolt for TBMs

Hahaha I like the term "maskhole" kinda feel appropriate for how I was treated at church too...the days that I went...those years ago....

[Refraction75]

How do Zoom and Skype make their money? They must be selling something.

I am familiar with Skype....if you create or send any file through their service... be artwork...or video or images or a book you wrote...by their terms and conditions for using their service. They own it.

Also on their voices service is free nationally but international calls they charge per minute.