LDS Freedom Forum

teddyaware wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 7:05 pm

edgoble123 wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 5:01 pm

endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 4:57 pm What happened is all in the public record, I believe. People can review it.

edgoble showed up at an interesting time, and acted interestingly. Guess we'll see how it plays out.

ed, if you need a public apology from me for any comment I made, let me know, publicly. I'll listen carefully and act accordingly. I think we can all agree bullies don't do that.

What could any of you possibly have to say to me now that is of interest to me? This is no apology for anything. I need nothing from you, and am not interested in further communication with most of the active individuals on this board. Consider yourselves, almost all of you, basically banned from my personal existence. There isn't anything almost any of you you could possibly say to me to make me believe you are the least bit apologetic for anything that has happened here over the years of this nature.

I sympathize. But why would a reasonable Latter-Day Saint expect to receive any degree of courteous respect or neighborly kindness from the bitter former church members and wolves in sheep’s clothing quasi-members who now dominate this forum? The multitude of examples in the scriptures and church history of angry former members who may have left the church but could never seem leave the church alone should have provided you ample warning that hoping for a positive reception here is be a fool’s errand. Pride, haughtiness, an unmerited sense of superiority, and a near total lack of humility are the spirits that predominate on this forum.The only reason why I show up here at all is to stay informed on the latest ways in which the enemies of the church are speaking evil against the Lord’s anointed, as part of my quest to stay alert to the unfolding signs of the times. All the best.

edgoble123 wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 5:01 pm What could any of you possibly have to say to me now that is of interest to me? This is no apology for anything. I need nothing from you, and am not interested in further communication with most of the active individuals on this board. Consider yourselves, almost all of you, basically banned from my personal existence. There isn't anything almost any of you you could possibly say to me to make me believe you are the least bit apologetic for anything that has happened here over the years of this nature.

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 6:17 pm You don't even have to be TBM. You can be out there but on any topic agree with some current LDS principle and you will get "PERSONALLY" attacked by those who profess knowledge but talk in "hate" language. I mean any time a topic is being discussed and it gets to attacking the person. this is wrong and should be stopped. There is a difference between disagreeing with an opinion and even attacking the person's opinion, perhaps to the point of pointing out where they might be in error. And just dropping the ball and saying hurtful things about the person.

Every time I get involved in any discussion that comes around to not even supporting an LDS leader but putting a bit of space between "evil" and "murderer" and "SRA", etc... I get 80% of the responses as personal attacks, and by about only 6-10 individuals.

I too think this should be stopped. OR AT THE VERY LEAST a safe space should be provided. A section of LDS FF where you can post topics and discussions that do not allow personal attacks from any side.

BTW once you're attacked it is hard to get back on topic, twice very difficult, by the third time it is hard not to lash out.

Also those spewing hate speech also seem to run in packs, like ravaging wolfs. One jumps on you and before you can defend yourself, your fending of 3-4. Finally, perhaps 20 posts later, someone joins with a post on the topic and then the cycle repeats.

Perhaps there is nothing to do about it. I mean, as I have said several times before, Mormon makes a very powerful case for the loss of civility and reasoning and logic on both sides in the last days. Perhaps there is nothing that can be done. Perhaps there is no safe space on LDS FF or any forum. Perhaps.

BTW I was sanctioned for sounding "grumpy" after the same 3 individuals attacked me on EVERY topic, EVERY time for several week, relentlessly. It is like watching the super bowl. The flag tends to hit those that hit back and those that are not considered sacred cows and stars, which my the most part here seem to be those with much hate and vitriol for the LDS church, looking under every tiny stone for something to add to the hate list while ignoring anything positive, except an occasional far reaching story of miracles from Nauvoo or very early SLC.

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 6:44 pm

endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 6:30 pm
Examples?

I have provided many examples on other threads, some just a few days ago. I'm not going to dig them out. What your asking for is another example of getting after people. The comments should be "what would you consider a personal attack?" That would be on topic bringing up old posts that bore no fruit but hate responses doesn't help. So, I will give a couple of examples.

1. calling someone a name, at least a derogatory one.
2. responding to a topic by attacking a persons attributes. not their opinion but they personal attributes.
3. making false claims about someone. not the accidental misunderstanding but claiming something they have not said.
4. extrapolating something from what they said. Like you said you don't believe BY lied therefore you must believe he was a perfect individual.
5. making appropriate leaps of logic. Like one person says we don't know what happened but the person disappeared and your respond the person was raped, murdered and hidden for SRA reasons. By taking logical leaps and bounds that the person did not put in their statements or axioms.
6. Just plain calling a person a liar without any justification.
7. Making claims about a persons situation or background or qualifications w/o any justification and off topic.
8. changing the topic. Like one would say, I'm married and the response would involve polygamy or issues about gay marriage that have nothing to do with the topic.
9. Saying a person is stupid, dumb, ignorant, etc... because they expressed their faith (usually in some LDS leader or policy or something).
10. Responding to a discussion with pages of inane scriptures, out of context, that may or may not mean something to you but on their own, pasted in just add nothing to the context.
11. Like 10 but just repeating some scripture like Jacob on polygamy and then saying every other scriptural reference is wrong (Abraham, Jacob, Ruth, David, Solomon). Etc. We can take any one verse and say anything as has been shown.
12. repeatedly taking the same verse out of context. perhaps the topic is the value of tithing and the discussion becomes one of Ensign Peak or where you're money goes. Wrong topic.

Do you want more? I would be happy if there was a place for just these few rules.

teddyaware wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 7:05 pm I sympathize. But why would a reasonable Latter-Day Saint expect to receive any degree of courteous respect or neighborly kindness from the bitter former church members and wolves in sheep’s clothing quasi-members who now dominate this forum? The multitude of examples in the scriptures and church history of angry former members who may have left the church but could never seem leave the church alone should have provided you ample warning that hoping for a positive reception here is be a fool’s errand. Pride, haughtiness, an unmerited sense of superiority, and a near total lack of humility are the spirits that predominate on this forum.The only reason why I show up here at all is to stay informed on the latest ways in which the enemies of the church are speaking evil against the Lord’s anointed, as part of my quest to stay alert to the unfolding signs of the times. All the best.

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 6:17 pm You don't even have to be TBM. You can be out there but on any topic agree with some current LDS principle and you will get "PERSONALLY" attacked by those who profess knowledge but talk in "hate" language. I mean any time a topic is being discussed and it gets to attacking the person. this is wrong and should be stopped. There is a difference between disagreeing with an opinion and even attacking the person's opinion, perhaps to the point of pointing out where they might be in error. And just dropping the ball and saying hurtful things about the person.

Fred wrote: ↑December 12th, 2021, 6:58 pm Well, at least now I know that it is not possible for you to ever have anything important to say.

Fred wrote: ↑December 12th, 2021, 8:52 pm You have no respect for truth whatsoever. You are in fact a compulsive liar. He has several confessions from participants. You sir, are an idiot.

Fred wrote: ↑December 12th, 2021, 8:52 pm You can watch the video, but you can't fix stupid.

edgoble123 wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 4:26 pm I'm not going to stand idly by on this board and be attacked, and then be sanctioned because of provocations.

I'm sorry for anger, but I'm simply not going to stand idly by with cyberbulling, the kind of stuff that I have continually experienced that goes on here when I'm trying to talk serious business. Brian, if you don't take cyberbulling seriously on this board against TBMs as a clear minority, you have a real problem sir.

Brian, you can sit here and pretend like the other people were little angels on the thread you locked, but that is simply not the case. You can try to blame it on the OP as if that is the core of where the problem lies. In recent years, I have left this place multiple times for these types of provocations. You sir, and your moderators allow it to get to the point where it gets, and then somehow all the blame is on the guy that is continually attacked and is reacting. You sir, have some serious things to consider when it comes to just who you sanction with board warnings, when TBMs are reacting to cyberbullying, the little guy standing up for themselves. There's something wrong with this picture.

My participation will now end for some time again here, but never to abandon my old account again here. I will always maintain the same account here, and if I ever post here again, it will be things of interest on occasion, never ever to speak to anyone else again here directly in any thread. If I ever post, it will be an OP, and that is it, never ever again to reply. If anyone cares, they can message me. This represents my formal protest to what has happened here.... again. This is the end of the way it was, for how it will be now on here, as far as I'm concerned. Because there is a clear Anti-TBM bias here as to who gets sanctioned for reacting to cyberbullying here.

I have too much information of an apologetic nature needed to disseminate over time that prevents me from entirely abandoning this place again. But as for my normal participation. Once again, this is the end.

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 6:44 pm

endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 6:30 pm
Examples?

I have provided many examples on other threads, some just a few days ago. I'm not going to dig them out. What your asking for is another example of getting after people. The comments should be "what would you consider a personal attack?" That would be on topic bringing up old posts that bore no fruit but hate responses doesn't help. So, I will give a couple of examples.

1. calling someone a name, at least a derogatory one.
2. responding to a topic by attacking a persons attributes. not their opinion but they personal attributes.
3. making false claims about someone. not the accidental misunderstanding but claiming something they have not said.
4. extrapolating something from what they said. Like you said you don't believe BY lied therefore you must believe he was a perfect individual.
5. making appropriate leaps of logic. Like one person says we don't know what happened but the person disappeared and your respond the person was raped, murdered and hidden for SRA reasons. By taking logical leaps and bounds that the person did not put in their statements or axioms.
6. Just plain calling a person a liar without any justification.
7. Making claims about a persons situation or background or qualifications w/o any justification and off topic.
8. changing the topic. Like one would say, I'm married and the response would involve polygamy or issues about gay marriage that have nothing to do with the topic.
9. Saying a person is stupid, dumb, ignorant, etc... because they expressed their faith (usually in some LDS leader or policy or something).
10. Responding to a discussion with pages of inane scriptures, out of context, that may or may not mean something to you but on their own, pasted in just add nothing to the context.
11. Like 10 but just repeating some scripture like Jacob on polygamy and then saying every other scriptural reference is wrong (Abraham, Jacob, Ruth, David, Solomon). Etc. We can take any one verse and say anything as has been shown.
12. repeatedly taking the same verse out of context. perhaps the topic is the value of tithing and the discussion becomes one of Ensign Peak or where you're money goes. Wrong topic.

Do you want more? I would be happy if there was a place for just these few rules.

Godislove wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 4:43 pm

DivineSpark wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 4:40 pm If you're this sensitive, you probably shouldn't post on a public forum.

I truly am not trying to be contentious but I personally feel this attitude contributes to the problem. It's like no one has compassion or regard for anyone these days. I believe this is part of men's hearts failing them....they've become hardened.
I just don't feel this comment was necessary and digs at one's character.

DivineSpark wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 11:16 pm

Godislove wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 4:43 pm

DivineSpark wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 4:40 pm If you're this sensitive, you probably shouldn't post on a public forum.

I truly am not trying to be contentious but I personally feel this attitude contributes to the problem. It's like no one has compassion or regard for anyone these days. I believe this is part of men's hearts failing them....they've become hardened.
I just don't feel this comment was necessary and digs at one's character.

Sorry you felt like I was digging at anyone. What I said is truth. If someone can dish it out but can't take it in return, then maybe they are too sensitive to be posting in an online open forum. The majority of responses to ed have been disagreements of opinions not personal attacks. Yet all of ed's responses are disagreements of opinions WITH personal attacks.

tmac wrote: ↑March 16th, 2023, 7:22 am A lot of times it simply boils down to the tone. Christ was in a position to call-out the Pharisees and Sadducees for their hypocrisy, but how many of us are? How often was Christ going around telling people they just needed to toughen-up?

When the tone is not one of love, or meekness or mildness, but rather of haughtiness, pride, disdain, and moral superiority, it is always, always hard to swallow.

Why do we, as people, always seem to insist on doing that to ourselves?

edgoble123 wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 4:26 pm I'm not going to stand idly by on this board and be attacked, and then be sanctioned because of provocations.

I'm sorry for anger, but I'm simply not going to stand idly by with cyberbulling, the kind of stuff that I have continually experienced that goes on here when I'm trying to talk serious business. Brian, if you don't take cyberbulling seriously on this board against TBMs as a clear minority, you have a real problem sir....

Being There wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 8:57 pm

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 6:44 pm

endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 6:30 pm
Examples?

I have provided many examples on other threads, some just a few days ago. I'm not going to dig them out. What your asking for is another example of getting after people. The comments should be "what would you consider a personal attack?" That would be on topic bringing up old posts that bore no fruit but hate responses doesn't help. So, I will give a couple of examples.

1. calling someone a name, at least a derogatory one.
2. responding to a topic by attacking a persons attributes. not their opinion but they personal attributes.
3. making false claims about someone. not the accidental misunderstanding but claiming something they have not said.
4. extrapolating something from what they said. Like you said you don't believe BY lied therefore you must believe he was a perfect individual.
5. making appropriate leaps of logic. Like one person says we don't know what happened but the person disappeared and your respond the person was raped, murdered and hidden for SRA reasons. By taking logical leaps and bounds that the person did not put in their statements or axioms.
6. Just plain calling a person a liar without any justification.
7. Making claims about a persons situation or background or qualifications w/o any justification and off topic.
8. changing the topic. Like one would say, I'm married and the response would involve polygamy or issues about gay marriage that have nothing to do with the topic.
9. Saying a person is stupid, dumb, ignorant, etc... because they expressed their faith (usually in some LDS leader or policy or something).
10. Responding to a discussion with pages of inane scriptures, out of context, that may or may not mean something to you but on their own, pasted in just add nothing to the context.
11. Like 10 but just repeating some scripture like Jacob on polygamy and then saying every other scriptural reference is wrong (Abraham, Jacob, Ruth, David, Solomon). Etc. We can take any one verse and say anything as has been shown.
12. repeatedly taking the same verse out of context. perhaps the topic is the value of tithing and the discussion becomes one of Ensign Peak or where you're money goes. Wrong topic.

Do you want more? I would be happy if there was a place for just these few rules.

Personal Attack ? huh..

SIMPLY PUT - and what I have found, is that
it's the typical excuse used - when someone can't accept others that disagree with them -
they say they're being attacked or "cyber bullied" lol.

what a joke.

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 16th, 2023, 10:10 am

Being There wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 8:57 pm

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 6:44 pm

endlessQuestions wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 6:30 pm
Examples?

I have provided many examples on other threads, some just a few days ago. I'm not going to dig them out. What your asking for is another example of getting after people. The comments should be "what would you consider a personal attack?" That would be on topic bringing up old posts that bore no fruit but hate responses doesn't help. So, I will give a couple of examples.

1. calling someone a name, at least a derogatory one.
2. responding to a topic by attacking a persons attributes. not their opinion but they personal attributes.
3. making false claims about someone. not the accidental misunderstanding but claiming something they have not said.
4. extrapolating something from what they said. Like you said you don't believe BY lied therefore you must believe he was a perfect individual.
5. making appropriate leaps of logic. Like one person says we don't know what happened but the person disappeared and your respond the person was raped, murdered and hidden for SRA reasons. By taking logical leaps and bounds that the person did not put in their statements or axioms.
6. Just plain calling a person a liar without any justification.
7. Making claims about a persons situation or background or qualifications w/o any justification and off topic.
8. changing the topic. Like one would say, I'm married and the response would involve polygamy or issues about gay marriage that have nothing to do with the topic.
9. Saying a person is stupid, dumb, ignorant, etc... because they expressed their faith (usually in some LDS leader or policy or something).
10. Responding to a discussion with pages of inane scriptures, out of context, that may or may not mean something to you but on their own, pasted in just add nothing to the context.
11. Like 10 but just repeating some scripture like Jacob on polygamy and then saying every other scriptural reference is wrong (Abraham, Jacob, Ruth, David, Solomon). Etc. We can take any one verse and say anything as has been shown.
12. repeatedly taking the same verse out of context. perhaps the topic is the value of tithing and the discussion becomes one of Ensign Peak or where you're money goes. Wrong topic.

Do you want more? I would be happy if there was a place for just these few rules.

Personal Attack ? huh..

SIMPLY PUT - and what I have found, is that
it's the typical excuse used - when someone can't accept others that disagree with them -
they say they're being attacked or "cyber bullied" lol.

what a joke.

perfect example. you say that having some rules, ANY rules, ANY type of request for respect (that both sides would agree to show is "what a joke? QED

edgoble123 wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 4:26 pm My participation will now end for some time again here...