LDS Freedom Forum

edgoble123 wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 7:03 pm

Cruiserdude wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 6:59 pm It sucks, and I'm sorry things have gone down the way they did.
I can certainly understand why you might feel the way you do.

It's too late for this now. It's too late for anything now. It's too late for sympathy or empathy. It's far far beyond funny, silly or sad, or for any kind of apologies, or being sorry. Its now over. And that means, its beyond fixing. It is just over.

edgoble123 wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 7:05 pm

Hosh wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 7:00 pm Ed you called me a jerkwad in my initial interaction with you when all I did was disagree with how you were going about in your interactions with others. I never called you any names. I never bullied you. And yet you lashed out at me. Even so, I would never consider you an enemy. I just disagree whole heartedly with your views on the church and your disproportionate anger toward others.

Of course you would say its disproportionate when you are one of the ones adversarial. Continue the pile on, by all means. I think I will have to figure out some way to lock myself out of this account so it will take away any further temptation to log back in. I have never found any ability to delete accounts on this site. Brian again, please just delete this account after I figure out how to lock myself out, if there is some way. Thanks.

Hosh wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 7:18 pm

edgoble123 wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 7:05 pm

Hosh wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 7:00 pm Ed you called me a jerkwad in my initial interaction with you when all I did was disagree with how you were going about in your interactions with others. I never called you any names. I never bullied you. And yet you lashed out at me. Even so, I would never consider you an enemy. I just disagree whole heartedly with your views on the church and your disproportionate anger toward others.

Of course you would say its disproportionate when you are one of the ones adversarial. Continue the pile on, by all means. I think I will have to figure out some way to lock myself out of this account so it will take away any further temptation to log back in. I have never found any ability to delete accounts on this site. Brian again, please just delete this account after I figure out how to lock myself out, if there is some way. Thanks.

Go back and read my post to you and how you responded and tell me truthfully and honestly it was not disproportionate. And I invite anyone else to do the same.

I'm also sorry you feel the way you do. I Hope you find a forum or group of like minded people that you can find some peace and belonging in. Many people have found that sort of peace and belonging here. Sorry it wasn't the right fit for you.

FrankOne wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 7:20 pm just a possibility :

from what I am reading in this thread, Ed would likely enjoy LDSAVOW

FrankOne wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 6:57 pm

thanks for taking the time to put that list together. Well thought out.

I've gone back and forth with Shawn a few times and we've both become a little sharp at each other, but always ended up on very good terms. I believe that maturity comes into play and I can't say that I am able to define how to handle those that are more sensitive.

Simply stating that you are a victim to attack does not validate your claim nor does it mean that others are automatically at fault for your suffering.

just my 2.5c . I am open to attack. Sulu, shields up!

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 8:26 pm

FrankOne wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 7:20 pm just a possibility :

from what I am reading in this thread, Ed would likely enjoy LDSAVOW

I think AVOW would be a little too “end-of-the-world” for Ed. But, he’d feel like a hot sausage on a warm pancake with the brethrenite dogma.

edgoble123 wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 6:48 pm

Hosh wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 6:28 pm I hope everyone on this forum understands that from this point forward, anyone who disagrees with me, does not view things from my perspective, or does not agree with my interperetation of the scriptures, is henceforth and forvever, my enemy. That being said, if I ever post any scripture without any context, I hope your hearts will be pricked to believe all the things that I do so you can have the spirit manifest in your life the way it does in mine so that you can treat others on this forum the way I treat them.

Ok. Let's address the provocation.
This person chooses to take everything I say out of context, and provoke me with it, using sarcasm.

Brian, and the mods of course will do nothing to deal with this provocation, because, of course, they agree with the provocation. And IWriteStuff will just laugh at the provocation.

People that provoke me are my enemies. People that have chosen to treat me adversely are my enemies.
Just because people that disagree with me disagree with me does not make them my enemies.
OriginalIntent insulted me. He is my enemy.
Brian chose to deal with the situation unjustly, and I cannot count on him. He is effectively, my enemy.

I don't care if you agree with my interpretations of the scriptures. If you choose to provoke me and continue to be adverse to me, you are my enemy.

If you choose to take my words and twist them, and be adverse to me, and make fun of my words and make light of what has happened to me, you are my enemy.

If you treat me adversely and have provoked me to anger, and you made light of it, you are my enemy.

In short, if you were adversarial to me, you are now my enemy. If you want me to treat you well, you will not act adversely to me. Clearly, I cannot post anything here you people disagree with, or you will attack me. When you attack me, and project stuff on to me adversely, and then you offer your help for what you project on to me, then you have insulted me, and you are my enemy. Its not hard to see how you have made yourselves my enemies. Because you have been adversarial to me, and therefore, you who have been adversarial to me are my enemies.

John Tavner wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 8:54 pm

edgoble123 wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 6:48 pm

Hosh wrote: ↑March 20th, 2023, 6:28 pm I hope everyone on this forum understands that from this point forward, anyone who disagrees with me, does not view things from my perspective, or does not agree with my interperetation of the scriptures, is henceforth and forvever, my enemy. That being said, if I ever post any scripture without any context, I hope your hearts will be pricked to believe all the things that I do so you can have the spirit manifest in your life the way it does in mine so that you can treat others on this forum the way I treat them.

Ok. Let's address the provocation.
This person chooses to take everything I say out of context, and provoke me with it, using sarcasm.

Brian, and the mods of course will do nothing to deal with this provocation, because, of course, they agree with the provocation. And IWriteStuff will just laugh at the provocation.

People that provoke me are my enemies. People that have chosen to treat me adversely are my enemies.
Just because people that disagree with me disagree with me does not make them my enemies.
OriginalIntent insulted me. He is my enemy.
Brian chose to deal with the situation unjustly, and I cannot count on him. He is effectively, my enemy.

I don't care if you agree with my interpretations of the scriptures. If you choose to provoke me and continue to be adverse to me, you are my enemy.

If you choose to take my words and twist them, and be adverse to me, and make fun of my words and make light of what has happened to me, you are my enemy.

If you treat me adversely and have provoked me to anger, and you made light of it, you are my enemy.

In short, if you were adversarial to me, you are now my enemy. If you want me to treat you well, you will not act adversely to me. Clearly, I cannot post anything here you people disagree with, or you will attack me. When you attack me, and project stuff on to me adversely, and then you offer your help for what you project on to me, then you have insulted me, and you are my enemy. Its not hard to see how you have made yourselves my enemies. Because you have been adversarial to me, and therefore, you who have been adversarial to me are my enemies.

We were all enemies to God at some point, but He still loved us a wooed us to Him. I think it might be part of why Jesus said to "43You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.". He is giving us the example He wants us to become. I know it can be hard to perceive them that way.Sometimes we get more focused on being right than righteous... something I've been guilty of. We have been trained up in the world to perceive everyone as our enemy, but if we are to love our neighbor as we love our enemy, it flips everything on its head- we no longer see enemies as enemies, but out of love. Half of the battle is "taking no account for suffered wrongs" (1 Cor 13) which is a part of love and removing "self-seeking" from our lives through yielding to God and His Spirit. "Enemies" may attack and persecute, but we can still love them and pray for them and wish them well- and indeed love them as if they weren't our enemy. Jesus expounds a bit further in Luke: 27But to those of you who will listen, I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

We all have the possibility to do so, though we may feel offended, eventually we can overcome offense, we can submit and truly love them and pray for them despite whatever things they may say about us- even self-defense isn't necessary. Jesus stood accused for doing only Good and HE did not defend Himself, but HE forgave. Most people when they attack don't even see themselves as God sees them, so they have a hard time seeing others as God sees them. Sometimes we take offense when none was intended. God is merciful to us. I know my advice is unsolicited and it isn't intended to be a rebuke or attack on you, but encouragement, that there is more for all of us. We are told to "overcome evil with good" in the scriptures. If We have a hard time, we can always go to God and pray and ask for grace and yield and God will help us relax and find peace if we believe. We can ask Him to change our perspective and see with His eyes, this will bless not only ourselves immensely but those who might want to call themselves our enemies. We can love them and do good to them and bless them despite whatever cursings they may throw on us. As someone I know once said, "One in Christ is a majority." That said, this advice can and is for all. God wants more for all of us- the question is are we willing to receive it all and truly bear His name?