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JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 14th, 2023, 9:33 am I believe there is much, much more work for us to do, in all three areas: perfecting the Saints, saving the dead, missionary work=gathering Israel!

We have, especially recently, been encouraged to get involved in politics.

We have been invited to support good causes, with time and money. Many groups persuade Congress for our rights and are always looking for time and money. Many political office campaigns, especially at the city, county, and district levels, could really use that help.
I'm sure Defending Utah wouldn't mind donations.

Maybe start with the 3 P's talk, and move forward from there?

Yes Johnny, we need to get involved in politics. Do you know when your county public meetings take place? If not, find out, and then start attending them. How well do you know american law? Maybe start learning. Don't let any void of knowledge keep you from action. Just start attending at first learn as you go and act more as you learn more. Do you know your county sheriff?

Find people who share ideals of justice, integrity, honesty, and other ideals easily related to good politics. Start talking to people about the importance of local government accountability. Start meeting on your off time. There are already plenty of stories of good change happening because of small steps like this. Heck America itself was started like this. Look up what Committees of Safety were if you don't already know.

If you have the means there's no reason not to give it to a worthy cause. Due diligence as always is necessary but I assume you already know that.


As long as there is time sacrificed to do something good out of the ordinary often and consistently. Positive change is inevitable. Start now.

My FIL was always super engaged in politics. Always checking out the latest ballot measures, candidates… all of that. Then, he kind of shocked me a few weeks ago. He said, “It doesn’t matter who you vote for.” This was in response to the voter fraud, and not just on a national level, but in our little tiny town. Evil people place their candidates in the places that they really want them. I know that most people will look at this as a defeatist viewpoint, but I honestly don’t think the American people have had any say as to who the president of this country is for 30+ years.

tmac wrote: ↑March 14th, 2023, 10:45 am Meanwhile, it’s not just a matter of our generals (and leadership on down the ranks) not standing up and leading a fight against the enemy — they are in bed with the enemy. They have capitulated to the enemy and rolled out the red carpet. At this point they are not actually leading in any way, shape or form. They are just following . . . the World, in lockstep, and fully encouraging their own followers to just fall-in behind.

Meanwhile, confusion reigns, and those who can actually see what is really going on seem to have a hard time agreeing and uniting on much of anything, so nothing else seems to gain much traction and/or critical mass. In the mass confusion, all most people can seem to do is focus on what they disagree about rather than what they might be able to agree, and do something about.

The disunity of those who lean to the good is the biggest hurdle in the effort for good. Almost insurmountable.

In my humble opinion, the biggest contributor to such confusion (aside of course to individual pride) is electronic media. So many think they are part of a community online when really they are more isolated and estranged than ever before. I have been able to make huge impacts on people's perspective of the last days by approaching individuals in person and honing in on common ideals. It can be done, but it has to start with you. I can't be in two places at once.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 14th, 2023, 12:32 pm One of the fundamental question is: What can we do under the guise of the great eye of Sauron? I don’t think people understand the wealth, power, and influence of evil people running the world.

I say that, because I believe the things we can do will be small and will be local. Any direct offensive or threat to their positions of power will be met head on.

I say we can do a whole awful lot under the guise of the great eye of Sauron as Sauron is under the great eye of God and his time is short. Take courage in your God and move straight to the frontlines.

Small and Local is all we need, it just needs to start. You need to start, it's within your power. Find common ground, build an active community around it

JK4Woods wrote: ↑March 14th, 2023, 3:54 pm

tmac wrote: ↑March 14th, 2023, 12:26 pm On the specific question of “Is there nothing we can do,” I’m going to throw this out there, (and I may be demonstrating some of my own feeble pride in the process), but this has become a fundamental measuring stick for me:

If people can’t see, and are not willing to do something about what is going on in our public school system at the most personal level (I.e., pull their kids out), I don’t trust their judgment about anything.

As some know, I turn quite a bit in Anabaptist (Amish/Mennonite) circles, and they have a lot of factions and diversity and things they disagree about, but aside from basic Christian values/service, etc., including the merits of a plain, simple, less worldly life, if there are a couple things that they essentially all agree about, it is with respect to the evils of public education and government programs.

In my view, anyone who is willing to talk about, or try to do anything else, without first pulling their precious children out of the Babylonian public school system, is getting the cart before the horse, skipping a foundational step, and probably doesn’t really know what they don’t know. It’s easy to talk the talk, but talk is cheap.

When I was writing my contribution above, I was thinking how the first battle would be to send a platoon of parents from every ward to every local school board meeting and making our stance known.

All wards in the US and Canada send, by Assignment or direction 40 ward members to every school board meeting. For the next two years. And actively participate in School Board Elections.

Doesn’t matter, who in the ward goes. Could be senior citizens who have been empty nesters for two decades, or pregnant soon to be moms and dads.

Get everyone to go.

For a city of the size of Las Vegas, with 28 stakes, that would be mean six or seven wards per stake times forty ward members means 7,840 LDS members would be showing up, every two weeks to the school board meetings.

Think that wouldn’t get their attention…?!?

Simple demands of accountability like no transgender encouragement, zero weirdos for story hours, public performance tracking, published curriculum by grade, etc.

Two years of activity like this, and the whole school system will be changed. For the better.

And guess what..? We’d likely be inundated by investigator families whose values align with our own.


We’d beat back satanism in the schools, and swell our ranks with full families who want to join us.

Just need an Area Seventy with the guts to stride out… because if we don’t… we will continually keep loosing ground…

Why does an area seventy need to do it? What is stopping you from spearheading this initiative? Start talking to people about your hopes and dreams for a better society, meets with those who resonate with your ideals, start with just one person at those meeting and grow as you go. The important thing is to start now before we lose any more ground.

Other wards will follow suit when they see your good example. All it takes is a little planning and a decent sacrifice of personal time but what better cause could there be?

It is not "the leadership's" job to do/organize every good, pertinent work this world needs.

Take the initiative, join the fight. You are the only one in your position, put it to good use. Thank you for your lucid comments. Unite your heart and mind with your might and strength.

FrankOne wrote: ↑March 14th, 2023, 7:04 pm
my answer to the OP is :

It's all been prophesied to happen, why would there be motivation to somehow prevent it? Let it go as has been written.

and don't forget to horde popcorn before it starts.

Perhaps we'll save some more souls in our failed attempts to fight for what good is left in the world. Sounds like it's worth a shot to me, what say ye?

JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 11:35 am The Church sent four buses of RS members to DC near the vote to stop the ERA--and it worked. There is no reason we need--actually, it's better not to have--the Church do this; we as Saints should be doing this ourselves now. And that is one great suggestion as to a thing we could do. And imagine if we joined with others of other faiths to coordinate and do things like that.

Exactly right!!! It is within our grasp. Start where you are. There still is plenty of wiggle room for us to do good, perhaps more now than ever.

markharr wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 12:25 pm In a few years time, it will be impossible to tell fiction from reality using your own senses. AI will be able to generate flawless images and video of any event or person. AI BOTS will be able to flood every and any platform with (dis)information at speeds that no human can possibly keep up with. If you think you are gaslighted now, just wait. Post an opinion that goes against what they want you to believe is popular consensus and you will be flooded with attacks generated by AI. AI may even be able to figure out who you are based on patterns in your posts on other social media. There are few who will be able to survive this onslaught spiritually intact. You all saw what happened during Covid. Now imagine that X 1000. You might believe that we will have AI to help us identify their AI, but the combinations are already a decade or more ahead of us. When you are talking about AI, a decade may as well be a millennium.


You literally will not be able to spiritually survive without the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost to tell you want is truth and what is not. Persecution is coming, very likely severe persecution.

I am no prophet. Anyone can look around and see this truth for themselves. Seek a spiritual witness.

What we do from here is well documented in the Old Testament and the Book of Mormon. Humble yourself and turn to Lord. There is no institution that you can trust. There is no institution that will not fail you. Even members of your own family will likely fail you. Only the Lord can be trusted.

Humble yourself means you have to start loving your enemy, having compassion for them and having a sincere desire to help them. Even if they are doing everything in their power to destroy you. Forgive those that do fail you. They have had and will have psyops waged against them that can bring even the strongest to their knees and that is only going to increase exponentially.

Your post is unique in this thread. I like it.

There already is no meaningful action that can happen over the web, except just maybe something similar to what I am doing now. We would all be benefitted immensely in completely ignoring screens for information whatsoever anyway.

The more time I spend posting on this board, the less time I have to speak to real people that I can one day count on for local support when the goings get tough, I also lose out on sleep and have my ideas confirmed which stifles my desire to do anything about it. After all, look how many people agree with me. In reality I'm hunched over a tiny screen in the middle of the night looking probably similar to a little goblin with his treasure in front of him. I hate it. I avoid it if I can.

As of right now, and hopefully for the foreseeable future, almost all AI can be effectively completely ignored by just putting the tech down and talking to the people around you.

The more people you can hopefully encourage to spend time away from the tch that encircle us the less ai can guide our opinions, and that means a lot right now.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 10:30 pm My FIL was always super engaged in politics. Always checking out the latest ballot measures, candidates… all of that. Then, he kind of shocked me a few weeks ago. He said, “It doesn’t matter who you vote for.” This was in response to the voter fraud, and not just on a national level, but in our little tiny town. Evil people place their candidates in the places that they really want them. I know that most people will look at this as a defeatist viewpoint, but I honestly don’t think the American people have had any say as to who the president of this country is for 30+ years.

This FIL of yours is a prime candidate to incite to a noble cause.

Just a thought, even if our elections were honest how could any good come out of them with everyone voting? When everyone has equal suffrage, politicians advertise to the majority of able voters. The responsible and righteous are very very rarely the majority, so under normal circumstances, we will hardly see a responsible and righteous person voted into office. There was a time when requirement were more stringent with voting but that time has gone and now the best we can hope for is whoever the lowest common denominator votes for.

There are many other ways to participate in government, on the ground level. Showing up to public meetings is more meaningful and powerful than most people will give it credit. Maybe you and your FIL can start attending and find other willing to show up. Let you local governments know you're there and watching what they're doing. Move the battlefront out of our minds and into theirs.

This morning, as I bowed my head in prayer, I felt so very vulnerable. I am letting the banking solvency issues take center stage in my mind.

As despair crept in the corners of my mind, I prayed for forgiveness in my lack of faith.... that I am having so many doubts. I asked (like I have so many times before) for strength to overcome the evil thoughts that I am allowing in.

.... And here I am, reading the words of encouragement, that I so dearly need. You give me strength, and I thank you!

We must continue the good fight. Even if it is fought on the internet for now. How many others are gaining strength from the written words?

Continue to be the light that your family, friends, and acquaintances need. Who know just how many Warriors you are reaching on a daily basis?

GansoTonto wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 10:52 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 14th, 2023, 12:32 pm One of the fundamental question is: What can we do under the guise of the great eye of Sauron? I don’t think people understand the wealth, power, and influence of evil people running the world.

I say that, because I believe the things we can do will be small and will be local. Any direct offensive or threat to their positions of power will be met head on.

I say we can do a whole awful lot under the guise of the great eye of Sauron as Sauron is under the great eye of God and his time is short. Take courage in your God and move straight to the frontlines.

Small and Local is all we need, it just needs to start. You need to start, it's within your power. Find common ground, build an active community around it

I am building community, but it will not be be done within any political sphere. The US has sealed her fate. The gentile nation will fall, she will be humbled.

Sorry about the duplicate.

I recently saw this quote, that I think applies here:

Let us not forget that agriculture and the soil are often said to be the foundation of civilization. While, at this point, fewer and fewer people in the United States seem to care much about agriculture per se, it still represents the most basic concept of production. Civilized societies and sustainable economies are based on production. The best way to have a productive, self-sufficient society is to have productive, self-sufficient individuals / families. When individuals and families are productive and self-sufficient, there is little risk that society will be otherwise. But when the vast majority of individuals and families are consumptive and dependent, it is hard to have a society that is not the same.

If our society is out-of-order, which it is, the most important thing to do, and the best place to start is by making sure our individual and family lives are in order, because When the lives of individuals and families are IN ORDER, there is little risk that society will be otherwise. So, what we can all do, and perhaps the best place to start, is by getting our own lives and families completely in order. And when more and more people figure that out and do it, most societal problems will get fixed and simply go away in the process.

tmac wrote: ↑March 16th, 2023, 9:07 am I recently saw this quote, that I think applies here:

Let us not forget that agriculture and the soil are often said to be the foundation of civilization. While, at this point, fewer and fewer people in the United States seem to care much about agriculture per se, it still represents the most basic concept of production. Civilized societies and sustainable economies are based on production. The best way to have a productive, self-sufficient society is to have productive, self-sufficient individuals / families. When individuals and families are productive and self-sufficient, there is little risk that society will be otherwise. But when the vast majority of individuals and families are consumptive and dependent, it is hard to have a society that is not the same.

If our society is out-of-order, which it is, is to start by making sure our individual and family lives are in order, because When the lives of individuals and families are IN ORDER, there is little risk that society will be otherwise. So, what we can all do, and perhaps the best place to start, is by getting our own lives and families completely in order. And when more and more people figure that out and do it, most societal problems will get fixed and simply go away in the process.

Also, once we have the beam out of our own eye, we can see more clearly to help remove the motes from others' eyes.
When others see our lives in order, they can simply follow our example, or know who to ask if they have questions.

markharr wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 12:25 pm In a few years time, it will be impossible to tell fiction from reality using your own senses. AI will be able to generate flawless images and video of any event or person. AI BOTS will be able to flood every and any platform with (dis)information at speeds that no human can possibly keep up with. If you think you are gaslighted now, just wait...

There are obviously useful applications for AI, but I'm not looking forward to all the garbage that will result from AI. The internet is already full of too much low-effort content that people have created simply to generate advertising revenue or as an attempt to increase their website search engine rankings. Now AI will generate that crap content 1000X faster than a human can.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 2:41 pm

JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 11:38 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 14th, 2023, 7:17 pm Pray for those responsible to repent.
If they do not repent, pray for them to be divided.
Pray for bad people to become good and the good to become righteous.
Pray for the plans of Antichrist to be thwarted and for the lives of the innocent.
Pray for the bad to become good and the good to become righteous.

In times of sickness when I feel useless to help/ do anything good, I can always pray.
And I pray like that, sometimes. I hope to pray like that more often.

I have prayed about certain things and they seem to have been happening. I think it is important to pray for division among our enemies, as well as for their repentance. We may not like them, but they can repent.

Absolutely. And to be honest, I believe the repentance of a few of them will be a major factor in saving us.

JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 16th, 2023, 11:22 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 2:41 pm

JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 11:38 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 14th, 2023, 7:17 pm Pray for those responsible to repent.
If they do not repent, pray for them to be divided.
Pray for bad people to become good and the good to become righteous.
Pray for the plans of Antichrist to be thwarted and for the lives of the innocent.
Pray for the bad to become good and the good to become righteous.

In times of sickness when I feel useless to help/ do anything good, I can always pray.
And I pray like that, sometimes. I hope to pray like that more often.

I have prayed about certain things and they seem to have been happening. I think it is important to pray for division among our enemies, as well as for their repentance. We may not like them, but they can repent.

Absolutely. And to be honest, I believe the repentance of a few of them will be a major factor in saving us.

It is instructive and also difficult to accept that the Nephites fought the Gadianton's SUCCESSFULLY by seeking out the more wicked of them and preaching repentance unto them.

Lots of great comments, thanks all!

GansoTonto wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 11:12 pm

FrankOne wrote: ↑March 14th, 2023, 7:04 pm
my answer to the OP is :

It's all been prophesied to happen, why would there be motivation to somehow prevent it? Let it go as has been written.

and don't forget to horde popcorn before it starts.

Perhaps we'll save some more souls in our failed attempts to fight for what good is left in the world. Sounds like it's worth a shot to me, what say ye?

i say yay. (yes).

On a personal level with others, there is much to be done.....

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 16th, 2023, 6:03 am

GansoTonto wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 10:52 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 14th, 2023, 12:32 pm One of the fundamental question is: What can we do under the guise of the great eye of Sauron? I don’t think people understand the wealth, power, and influence of evil people running the world.

I say that, because I believe the things we can do will be small and will be local. Any direct offensive or threat to their positions of power will be met head on.

I say we can do a whole awful lot under the guise of the great eye of Sauron as Sauron is under the great eye of God and his time is short. Take courage in your God and move straight to the frontlines.

Small and Local is all we need, it just needs to start. You need to start, it's within your power. Find common ground, build an active community around it

I am building community, but it will not be be done within any political sphere. The US has sealed her fate. The gentile nation will fall, she will be humbled.

great! I agree!

Have you seen the recently updated freedomcells website? https://freedomcells.org/ From their about page:

What are Freedom Cells?
Freedom Cells are local, peer to peer groups typically consisting of 8 people. Cell members organize themselves in a decentralized manner with the goal of empowering group members through education, peaceful non-compliance, and the creation of parallel institutions. Think of it as your activist support network.

Why do we need them?
We are being isolated from our community by authoritarian law, invasive technology, and divisive culture. Tyranny and technocracy are on the rise. A local support network has never been more important for our health, liberty, and success.

How to get involved
To join the network: Register on the site, create your profile, connect with others in your area, and begin creating your own cells.

WHAT IS THE FREEDOM CELL NETWORK?
Freedom Cells are local, self-directed peer to peer groups of approximately 8 people.

Cell members organize themselves in a decentralized manner with no member having authority over other participants. The cells work towards empowering one another and the network as a whole. Through education, peaceful non-compliance, and the creation of parallel institutions. Think of it as your activist support network.

Local cells work together to accomplish common goals, including but not limited to:

hosting skill shares
ensuring food storage
setting up encrypted communications
creating emergency plans
learning self defense methods
All the while, cell members make themselves readily available to render mutual aid to their tribe, in whatever form that may come.

As the group expands beyond the initial 8 members, or the “inner cadre”, they begin to organize themselves into additional cells. These individual cells form organically and may be focused on special interests (parenting, crypto, prepping), geographic location, or creating alternative institutions. For example, a cell might start a local marketplace for exchanging goods or parents in a cell may pull their kids out of government school and form a homeschool coop. Freedom Cell members are encouraged to build parallel institutions so as to create resiliency and independence within the network

Through building and supporting alternative systems such as local food networks, health services, mutual defense groups, counter-economies and communication networks, Freedom Cell members will be able to decouple themselves from the state and other institutions they deem unworthy of their support.

Once groups become large enough in numbers, it becomes possible for participants to opt out in mass and provide for their common wants and needs through the new systems they have created.

The ultimate goal of the network is to build the parallel systems capable of securing the freedom of community members for generations to come. We are building our own free society.

Through building and supporting alternative systems such as local food networks, health services, mutual defense groups, counter-economies and communication networks, Freedom Cell members will be able to decouple themselves from the state and other institutions they deem unworthy of their support.

Once groups become large enough in numbers, it becomes possible for participants to opt out in mass and provide for their common wants and needs through the new systems they have created.

The ultimate goal of the network is to build the parallel systems capable of securing the freedom of community members for generations to come. We are building our own free society.

I was surprised - there are about 8 folks within 25 miles of me. Add to that the neighbors within a few blocks of me with skills - butcher, rancher, contractors, mechanics. I think we could get something set up pretty painlessly.

JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 16th, 2023, 11:22 am Absolutely. And to be honest, I believe the repentance of a few of them will be a major factor in saving us.

Yes, I do too. Some of them may end up being martyred themselves, but if any of them can do anything in high places I hope that they do. This may delay or mitigate some programmes. Otherwise let division reign among them so they spend more time on each other than the masses.

Is there nothing we can do?
Post by GansoTonto » March 14th, 2023, 7:03 am

I am encouraged to see people thinking about taking action.
At age 81, I have been thinking about this exact same problem for at least 40 years, and have written six books and published five of them..
I think the Mormons, "the elders of Israel," could do some really amazing things to change the world we live in.
But it appears that the most important assignment of the current LDS church leaders is to keep the church members from doing anything to save themselves and our country from destruction. The church leaders today are either the cause of the forces that are destroying us, or at least are doing absolutely nothing to stop them, since they profit at every step the evil-doers take. Of course, that only goes so far, and when our whole society goes up in smoke, the church leadership will go with it, but until then, they are doing just fine. They seem to have this very foolish idea that they can be the (well-paid) religious arm of any civil government, no matter how corrupt and evil. They have tried to be friends with every dictator on the planet, including fascists and communists. They deserve to be roasted for that.

If we could redirect $20 billion a year from totally wasted/counterproductive tithing into doing good to improve our society, instead of helping destroy it, we could actually do about $40 billion worth of good every year. And if we had some good programs going, many others would throw in with us and increase the size of that number.

It takes about $1 billion to run a presidential campaign, so $20-$40 billion is rather a lot of money.

It would be nice if we could agree on a body of knowledge, possibly reduced to a manifesto of some kind.
I see that there are about 300,000 people signed up to the Reddit mormon and exmormon groups. (Does anyone know how many people there are on LDS freedom forum?) That tells me that there might be enough malcontents out there to start a major movement, if it were done correctly. 3 million people each throwing in $5000 a year is $15 billion. That would "strengthen somebody's arm."

Of course, today nobody trusts anybody, so getting some trust built through some small but growing successful freedom projects would be a very useful thing to do. Quietly replacing the entire LDS administrative structure with one that is not corrupt would be a rather large job, but it is one way to proceed.

I love the story about the situation in Mexico, where an entire stake was excommunicated for "rebellion." The stake went on for 10 years as though nothing had happened, and then was brought back into the church all at once. All the ordinations and ordinances were simply ratified. People naturally worry about priesthood ordinations and keys, but if those things are used to suppress good, they should just be ignored.

So there is a brief outline of my thoughts.

two weeks ago I finally accepted that this is the tribulations and that April of 2024 will end the 7 years of tribulations which then brings the end or the final battle.

The BofM battles and the OT battles are fought with real men. So accept that you are going to fight and so are your children if God calls you to.

You cannot go into battle until the Lord tells you to, otherwise you will be killed cuz the Lord only protects you (plenty examples in the BofM) unless you only fight when He tells you.

A few days ago Putin took out the NATO control station in Ukraine killing 6 of the 12 that were manning it. He is slaughtering the Ukrainians in Bakmut and the are shelled every second . . EVERY second . . the Ukranian soldiers heading to bakmut KNOW that they are going to die. Our media is censored no matter who it is . . . alternative as well . . censored and not told . . I had to get some of this from a foreign paper

The men that have come across the southern border of the US are military. . . they are given phones and lodging and food paid for by our government. . . all immigrants are force to sign a contract now(Biden regime idea) putting them into slavery. They are filling police jobs and have literally ruined several of our military bases.

So. . . here's the bad news . . many nations will become extinct or near extinct this year. Yemen and Somali are close to that now, as well as other african nations . . .

There are not enough gulags and never will be in American so our captors from DC will probably lock us down in a war using their army of immigrants paid for with our tax dollars . Thousands of americans have died or been handicapped by the vaccine. more censorship

Our banks are being plundered, out taxes are being plundered, our food is being destroyed and our air is being polluted with toxins that are harmful to all life. Many states and cities are being destroyed by weather. Don't feel too alone cuz this is happening the world over. Lies and corruption and plunder and death

I know that we have always been taught in the COJCLDS that the covenant people would breeze through this. Unfortunately that is not true.

The tribulations for breaking covenants is famine, war, bondage, pestilence. who are the covenant people breaking our covenants? Well, COJCLDS are.

The WICKED, will bring on destruction. And the most wicked today are those who are worshipping satan with child sacrafice and sorceries. They are fighting against each other in a very public battle throughout our national and international politics and leaders of countries and bankers and commerce. Its hard to keep track cuz they keep changing loyalties and alliances.

However, Isiaih claims that if you are still sleeping in your own bed and eating your own food then you are blesses. Think about Ukraine, california, Yemen, people experienceing tornadoes . . . have you been displaced, yet cuz this comment form Isiaih is the best you can hope for in this day . . .it truly is the END . . this is it . . .

I did not mean to carry on even though I have barely said a .0000000001 percent of the wicked and problems right no . . . but this is the most important

In order for God to condemn his children then they have to get to fully ripe wikedness. At the same time that thos wicked are condemned then the righteous will be saved.

Because God is a just God then he will not condemn before one is fully ripe or he would NOT be just. So you are now waiting for the wicked to ripen so they can be wiped off this planet. You will be strengthened to take down all of the baal statues, the High Places, the satan temples, the abortion clinics, etc. just as King Hezekiah did in the OT. You will be strengthened to remove all of the secret combinations from this land and maybe the face of the earth as BofM warriors did. You will build a temple in the middle of the wars and given the strength to walk through fires as the children of Israel walked through the water.

God will tell us through a prophet when the time is right to gather Israel. All of the current prophets will be killed along with all of the government leaders in the same day.

so knowing all of this what are you going to pray for? Pray for the things that JS prayed for in the DC. We are going to finish the work that JS started. Start praying for that to happen and be patient. as soon as all of this evil is gone, that you can do nothing about now then Zion can be built and it is a peaceful place

Leland41-2 wrote: ↑March 16th, 2023, 7:24 pm…I love the story about the situation in Mexico, where an entire stake was excommunicated for "rebellion." The stake went on for 10 years as though nothing had happened, and then was brought back into the church all at once. All the ordinations and ordinances were simply ratified. People naturally worry about priesthood ordinations and keys, but if those things are used to suppress good, they should just be ignored...

Is that a true story?
Any more info?