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Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 7:31 am**

"If ye love me, keep my commandments.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me"

In The Book of Mormon, the Lord has given us a Commandment to "search diligently" the words of Isaiah.
"Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah"

So what are your lame excuses for not loving the Lord because you're not keeping this Commandment ?

Yes, it's obvious, by what I've seen of church members, and in this forum, that very very few are keeping this Commandment.
WHY ?

Do you not believe in The Book of Mormon ?
Do you not think that this Commandment applies to you ? -
even though The Book of Mormon is the keystone of our religion,
and we should liken the scriptures to ourselves..

Or is it because you could careless about the Word of God and our scriptures ?
Maybe that's it.

A well known LDS writer once wrote a foreword in a book and said -

"This book might well be entitled
"What you always wanted to know about the Gospel
but were too lazy to find out."
"All answers are in the scriptures,
but Latter-day Saints do not read the scriptures."

Hugh Nibley

Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 7:41 am**

1. "They draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me."
2. They don't know the Lord, how can they love Him?
3. They love the Lord, they love themselves or their sins more.

Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 7:42 am**

as I've said before -
Does the church take The Book of Mormon seriously anymore ?

The reason why I ask this question is -
wouldn't you think - that if the Lord actually gave us a commandment in The Book of Mormon -
to not only read, but to "search these things diligently - the words of Isaiah - "for great are the words of Isaiah." -
that it would be important enough that members should keep this commandment
and the church would think this was very important, and emphasize this same commandment ?

The Lord didn't tell us to do this just to give us a nice history listen.
The Lord wouldn't have given this - A COMMANDMENT if it wasn't important and going to apply to us today.
THIS IS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST TALKING AND GIVING US A COMMANDMENT ! - not just some quote
from so-called prophet or someone,
so we'd better listen, and keep this commandment.

Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 8:13 am**

I think a larger percentage of us love Isaiah than what you might find in Sunday School. I came to my deeper appreciation of his prophecies in the last two years, but I always thought it was silly that the Church, in general, dismissed him as unable to be understood.

Once you understand a few basics, Isaiah is as plain as reading a newspaper, and a lot more accurate. I recommend going to isaiahexplained.com for Avraham Gileadi's translation and also buying a few of Brother Gileadi's books.

Of course, the basics of scripture study like pondering and prayer are the foundations of understanding Isaiah, but Brother Gileadi's translation and books help the pondering and prayer start from a place of greater knowledge and understanding which really helps.

Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 8:18 am**

I've intensely studied Isaiah ten years now and have written topic discussions and blogs about his words and prophecies. Lots of good stuff!

Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 9:23 am**

Just Curious - For those that have read and understand Isaiah....I'm in the process of reading through it again and my understanding is that we will be under the rule of a foreign invader for about the space of 3 years.
Is this your understanding as well?

Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 9:38 am**

Being There wrote: ↑March 10th, 2023, 7:31 am So what are your lame excuses for not loving the Lord because you're not keeping this Commandment ?

Aren't you chipper today.

Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 9:46 am**

I would agree with your assessment of church members and leaders in general...however those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah, better than ANY group of people I have encountered.

Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures.

Most LDS think:

-Secret combinations are the mafia
-The 4 attributes of the church of the devil are a good thing (money, power, popularity, lusts of the flesh)
-Isaiah is old school, RMN is in
-Sermon on the Mount is old school, a long as you "don't act on it" is in.
-Babylon is pretty cool...stuff, stuff and more stuff.

Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 7:02 pm**

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 10th, 2023, 9:46 am I would agree with your assessment of church members and leaders in general...however those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah, better than ANY group of people I have encountered.

Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures.

Most LDS think:

-Secret combinations are the mafia
-The 4 attributes of the church of the devil are a good thing (money, power, popularity, lusts of the flesh)
-Isaiah is old school, RMN is in
-Sermon on the Mount is old school, a long as you "don't act on it" is in.
-Babylon is pretty cool...stuff, stuff and more stuff.

while I agree with other things you said,
sorry but THIS simply is not true - at all.

" those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah"
"Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures."

sorry but, the far majority here, do not read the scriptures, or know the scriptures,
or care that much about the word of God. And that's why they don't post scriptures.

In the 6 years I've been here, I've probably posted more scriptures than anyone ever has in this forum;
especially on Isaiah, and how it applies to us today, and is referring to us many times.
And in those 6 years,
first of all, I have found that, members - in general, including most in this forum -
don't know or care about the scriptures at all,
simply because they don't read them - just as Hugh Nibley said.

"A well known LDS writer once wrote a foreword in a book and said -

"This book might well be entitled
"What you always wanted to know about the Gospel
but were too lazy to find out."
"All answers are in the scriptures,
but Latter-day Saints do not read the scriptures."

Hugh Nibley

And secondly, and more important,
besides not understanding or caring about the scriptures or reading them,
they even care less about reading and trying to understand Isaiah
and keeping this Commandment the Lord gave, and WHY - He gave it -
which for this reason, I have felt prompted by the spirit, to post this;
which isn't too bad of a thing to do, is it.

ALSO - I might add.
Long before this Scamdemic, when some members finally woke up,
finding ***** that the church is not all what it's cracked up to be,
and has been led astray and in apostasy,
long before that, when I first came to this forum over 6 years ago,
using the name Isaiah
search.php?keywords=&terms=all&author=I ... mit=Search
I was preaching back then (the same things that I still am now) about Isaiah,
and how the church was in apostasy etc. etc,
and have helped (starting clear back then) and been a leading person, if not - THE leading person
in waking members up, and bring this forum to seeing and understanding and accepting that ***** above
and to where it finally is now;
I was kicked out twice in that time for doing it,
but I believe it's been worth it and is what the Lord has had me do.

Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 7:05 pm**

Being There wrote: ↑March 10th, 2023, 7:02 pm sorry but, the far majority here, do not read the scriptures, or know the scriptures,
or care that much about the word of God. And that's way they don't post scriptures.

In the 6 years I've been here, I've probably posted more scriptures than anyone ever has in this forum;
especially on Isaiah, and how it applies to us today, and is referring to us many times.
And in those 6 years,
first of all, I have found that, members - in general, including most in this forum -
don't know or care about the scriptures at all,
simply because they don't read them - just as Hugh Nibley said.

How kind of you.

Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 7:53 pm**

Atrasado wrote: ↑March 10th, 2023, 8:13 am I think a larger percentage of us love Isaiah than what you might find in Sunday School. I came to my deeper appreciation of his prophecies in the last two years, but I always thought it was silly that the Church, in general, dismissed him as unable to be understood.

Once you understand a few basics, Isaiah is as plain as reading a newspaper, and a lot more accurate. I recommend going to isaiahexplained.com for Avraham Gileadi's translation and also buying a few of Brother Gileadi's books.

Of course, the basics of scripture study like pondering and prayer are the foundations of understanding Isaiah, but Brother Gileadi's translation and books help the pondering and prayer start from a place of greater knowledge and understanding which really helps.

I most enthusiastically endorse what you've written here. I've read Isaiah 5 times now and, thanks to Avraham, I understand it.

Posted: **March 10th, 2023, 8:01 pm**

Being There wrote: ↑March 10th, 2023, 7:02 pm
The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 10th, 2023, 9:46 am I would agree with your assessment of church members and leaders in general...however those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah, better than ANY group of people I have encountered.

Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures.

Most LDS think:

-Secret combinations are the mafia
-The 4 attributes of the church of the devil are a good thing (money, power, popularity, lusts of the flesh)
-Isaiah is old school, RMN is in
-Sermon on the Mount is old school, a long as you "don't act on it" is in.
-Babylon is pretty cool...stuff, stuff and more stuff.
while I agree with other things you said,
sorry but THIS simply is not true - at all.
" those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah"
"Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures."
sorry but, the far majority here, do not read the scriptures, or know the scriptures,
or care that much about the word of God. And that's way they don't post scriptures.

In the 6 years I've been here, I've probably posted more scriptures than anyone ever has in this forum;
especially on Isaiah, and how it applies to us today, and is referring to us many times.
And in those 6 years,
first of all, I have found that, members - in general, including most in this forum -
don't know or care about the scriptures at all,
simply because they don't read them - just as Hugh Nibley said.

"A well known LDS writer once wrote a foreword in a book and said -

"This book might well be entitled
"What you always wanted to know about the Gospel
but were too lazy to find out."
"All answers are in the scriptures,
but Latter-day Saints do not read the scriptures."

Hugh Nibley

And secondly, and more important,
besides not understanding or caring about the scriptures or reading them,
they even care less about reading and trying to understand Isaiah
and keeping this Commandment the Lord gave, and WHY - He gave it -
which for this reason, I have felt prompted by the spirit, to post this;
which isn't too bad of a thing to do, is it.

ALSO - I might add.
Long before this Scamdemic, when some members finally woke up,
finding ***** that the church is not all what it's cracked up to be,
and has been led astray and in apostasy,
long before that, when I first came to this forum over 6 years ago,
using the name Isaiah
search.php?keywords=&terms=all&author=I ... mit=Search
I was preaching back then (the same things that I still am now) about Isaiah,
and how the church was in apostasy etc. etc,
and have helped (starting clear back then) and been a leading person, if not - THE leading person
in waking members up, and bring this forum to seeing and understanding and accepting (that ***** above)
and to where it finally is now;
I was kicked out twice in that time for doing it,
but I believe it's been worth it and is what the Lord has had me do.

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Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 9:22 pm**

Being There wrote: ↑March 10th, 2023, 7:31 am "If ye love me, keep my commandments.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me"

In The Book of Mormon, the Lord has given us a Commandment to "search diligently" the words of Isaiah.
"Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah"

So what are your lame excuses for not loving the Lord because you're not keeping this Commandment ?

Yes, it's obvious, by what I've seen of church members, and in this forum, that very very few are keeping this Commandment.
WHY ?

Do you not believe in The Book of Mormon ?
Do you not think that this Commandment applies to you ? -
even though The Book of Mormon is the keystone of our religion,
and we should liken the scriptures to ourselves..

Or is it because you could careless about the Word of God and our scriptures ?
Maybe that's it.

A well known LDS writer once wrote a foreword in a book and said -

"This book might well be entitled
"What you always wanted to know about the Gospel
but were too lazy to find out."
"All answers are in the scriptures,
but Latter-day Saints do not read the scriptures."

Hugh Nibley

by the lack of interest and participation in this thread - validates what I said.
WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 9:23 pm**

I thought the lack of interest was due to the condescending tone in the OP, I could be wrong.

I did bookmark the thread… I guess we take what small wins we can get.

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 9:24 pm**

Being There wrote: ↑March 10th, 2023, 7:31 am
"All answers are in the scriptures,
but Latter-day Saints do not read the scriptures."[/b]

Hugh Nibley

Wow

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 9:31 pm**

Not all answers are in the scriptures btw. The foundation is there, truth is there, but God tailors revelation to us individually.

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 9:32 pm**

at least try to keep this commandment and make a start by reading Isaiah.

You can start here.
https://isaiahexplained.com/commentary/1

It's really not very hard.
just by reading 1 Chapter a day, you can finish in only about 2 months.

just skim over it.

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 9:47 pm**

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 9:23 pm I thought the lack of interest was due to the condescending tone in the OP, I could be wrong.

I did bookmark the thread… I guess we take what small wins we can get.

condescending tone ?
I guess truth CAN sound like that.

IF THE LORD HAS GIVEN US A COMMANDMENT,
and I"m saying that we (in general) are not keeping it,
and by NOT keeping a commandment - shows that we do not love the Lord -
and I'm asking WHY ?
By you saying that the OP - WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?, - has a condescending tone -
you prove my point.

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 10:04 pm**

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 9:31 pm Not all answers are in the scriptures btw. The foundation is there, truth is there, but God tailors revelation to us individually.

this comment also proves that.

you (or many of your comments) have this way, as many do here in this forum,
of avoiding truth, and trying to distract yourself and others - from the main focus of it.

Instead of agreeing with the importance of and focusing on what the main theme of this thread is all about,
you say things like this,
and like your other comment -
"I thought the lack of interest was due to the condescending tone in the OP"
But that's just you.

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 10:10 pm**

Life is like an online forum, you never know what you're going to get. Just like a box of chocolates not all the nuts are shelled, so chew (read) with great care.

I should edit this so it makes sense...
The quotes and scriptures you post are awesome, just like the nut inside a chocolate. But when that nut has a piece of shell on it, then the whole thing is less desirable. Your posts read as being very condescending and judgemental, in addition, a ginormous wall of text is extremely difficult to read through on a forum. Thus making your posts less desirable to read.

I hope that makes more sense.

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 10:24 pm**

Being There wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 9:47 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 9:23 pm I thought the lack of interest was due to the condescending tone in the OP, I could be wrong.

I did bookmark the thread… I guess we take what small wins we can get.
condescending tone ?
I guess truth CAN sound like that.

IF THE LORD HAS GIVEN US A COMMANDMENT,
and I"m saying that we (in general) are not keeping it,
and by NOT keeping a commandment - shows that we do not love the Lord -
and I'm asking WHY ?
By you saying that the OP - WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?, - has a condescending tone -
you prove my point.

Do you realize that from the title thread that you are talking down to people? You’ve made an amazing amount of assumptions all throughout this thread.

Why do you assume people don’t love the Lord? Why do you assume that because they don’t do or believe like you, that they love the Lord any less? Why do you assume that people aren’t reading Isaiah?

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 10:26 pm**

Being There wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 10:04 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 9:31 pm Not all answers are in the scriptures btw. The foundation is there, truth is there, but God tailors revelation to us individually.
this comment also proves that.

you (or many of your comments) have this way, as many do here in this forum,
of avoiding truth, and trying to distract yourself and others - from the main focus of it.

Instead of agreeing with the importance of and focusing on what the main theme of this thread is all about,
you say things like this,
and like your other comment -
"I thought the lack of interest was due to the condescending tone in the OP"
But that's just you.

Do you believe the scriptures have “all” the answers?

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 10:27 pm**

Godislove wrote: ↑March 10th, 2023, 9:23 am Just Curious - For those that have read and understand Isaiah....I'm in the process of reading through it again and my understanding is that we will be under the rule of a foreign invader for about the space of 3 years.
Is this your understanding as well?

this may help
viewtopic.php?p=1342791&hilit=Isaiah+th ... s#p1342791
"They have three years in which to repent before three years of Jehovah’s Day of Judgment overtake them"
(cf. Isaiah 16:14).

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 10:48 pm**

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 10:24 pm
Being There wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 9:47 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 9:23 pm I thought the lack of interest was due to the condescending tone in the OP, I could be wrong.

I did bookmark the thread… I guess we take what small wins we can get.
condescending tone ?
I guess truth CAN sound like that.

IF THE LORD HAS GIVEN US A COMMANDMENT,
and I"m saying that we (in general) are not keeping it,
and by NOT keeping a commandment - shows that we do not love the Lord -
and I'm asking WHY ?
By you saying that the OP - WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?, - has a condescending tone -
you prove my point.
Do you realize that from the title thread that you are talking down to people? You’ve made an amazing amount of assumptions all throughout this thread.

1.Why do you assume people don’t love the Lord?
2.Why do you assume that because they don’t do or believe like you, that they love the Lord any less?
3.Why do you assume that people aren’t reading Isaiah?

there you go again - as usual.

I think you're led by the wrong spirit buddy.

If you think I'm going to be diverted by you and be led like you are,
into satan's quicksand, and waste my time answering you stupid questions - 1. 2. 3.
that have already been answered,
YOU'RE WRONG !
I'm not that easily swayed as you are.

go with the truth or go against it; *****
and you're going against it - not against me, but against the Lord whom I'm quoting.

***** And as usual, you'll twist it, and say "you mean you, I need to agree with you for it to be truth or I'm wrong".

You see, that's how you are and the game you play.

truly a waste of time my friend - deceiving yourself and diverting others from the truth.

Posted: **March 15th, 2023, 11:13 pm**

DivineSpark wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 10:10 pm Life is like an online forum, you never know what you're going to get. Just like a box of chocolates not all the nuts are shelled, so chew (read) with great care.

I should edit this so it makes sense...
The quotes and scriptures you post are awesome, just like the nut inside a chocolate. But when that nut has a piece of shell on it, then the whole thing is less desirable. Your posts read as being very condescending and judgemental, in addition, a ginormous wall of text is extremely difficult to read through on a forum. Thus making your posts less desirable to read.

I hope that makes more sense.

condescending and judgemental huh.
as they say, you ain't seen nothin yet !

Just wait until The Lord Himself shows you just how GREAT His judgement can be,
for not listening to His word and keeping His Commandment.

But when that nut has a piece of shell on it, then the whole thing is less desirable.

and I hope THIS MAKES MORE SENSE.

Not keeping a Commandment from the Lord, DOES tend to leave a stain on you, that makes you less desirable to Him.
A stain from the piece of shell that fell on you while you were gorging yourself with a box of chocolates.

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