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Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 15th, 2023, 11:22 pm
by DivineSpark
Lol, comparing yourself the Lord. This gets better and better every post. Thank you for the midnight entertainment.

The sad thing is, I was trying to help you see in a relatable way how how your posts aren't seen the way you are intending them to be.

Relax man, not everyone has the same point of view because not everyone is at the same place on this path of life.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 15th, 2023, 11:24 pm
by moving2zion
Being There wrote: March 10th, 2023, 7:02 pm
The Red Pill wrote: March 10th, 2023, 9:46 am I would agree with your assessment of church members and leaders in general...however those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah, better than ANY group of people I have encountered.

Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures.

Most LDS think:

-Secret combinations are the mafia
-The 4 attributes of the church of the devil are a good thing (money, power, popularity, lusts of the flesh)
-Isaiah is old school, RMN is in
-Sermon on the Mount is old school, a long as you "don't act on it" is in.
-Babylon is pretty cool...stuff, stuff and more stuff.
while I agree with other things you said,
sorry but THIS simply is not true - at all.
" those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah"
"Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures."
sorry but, the far majority here, do not read the scriptures, or know the scriptures,
or care that much about the word of God. And that's why they don't post scriptures.

In the 6 years I've been here, I've probably posted more scriptures than anyone ever has in this forum;
especially on Isaiah, and how it applies to us today, and is referring to us many times.
And in those 6 years,
first of all, I have found that, members - in general, including most in this forum -
don't know or care about the scriptures at all,
simply because they don't read them - just as Hugh Nibley said.

"A well known LDS writer once wrote a foreword in a book and said -

"This book might well be entitled
"What you always wanted to know about the Gospel
but were too lazy to find out."
"All answers are in the scriptures,
but Latter-day Saints do not read the scriptures
."


Hugh Nibley

And secondly, and more important,
besides not understanding or caring about the scriptures or reading them,
they even care less about reading and trying to understand Isaiah
and keeping this Commandment the Lord gave, and WHY - He gave it -
which for this reason, I have felt prompted by the spirit, to post this;
which isn't too bad of a thing to do, is it.

ALSO - I might add.
Long before this Scamdemic, when some members finally woke up,
finding ***** that the church is not all what it's cracked up to be,
and has been led astray and in apostasy,

long before that, when I first came to this forum over 6 years ago,
using the name Isaiah
search.php?keywords=&terms=all&author=I ... mit=Search
I was preaching back then (the same things that I still am now) about Isaiah,
and how the church was in apostasy etc. etc,
and have helped (starting clear back then) and been a leading person, if not - THE leading person
in waking members up, and bring this forum to seeing and understanding and accepting that ***** above
and to where it finally is now;
I was kicked out twice in that time for doing it,
but I believe it's been worth it and is what the Lord has had me do.
Be careful about your assumptions. Like Moses and Aaron, not all of us are given the gift to convey our thoughts equally. I study daily and have several friends that have read Giliadi, deeply drinking in the words of Isaiah, but they don't post here. Some people are meant to speak the words of the Lord, others focus their time more on trying to live the words of the Lord. Some simply don't have the gift to gab.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 15th, 2023, 11:36 pm
by Being There
moving2zion wrote: March 15th, 2023, 11:24 pm
Being There wrote: March 10th, 2023, 7:02 pm
The Red Pill wrote: March 10th, 2023, 9:46 am I would agree with your assessment of church members and leaders in general...however those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah, better than ANY group of people I have encountered.

Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures.

Most LDS think:

-Secret combinations are the mafia
-The 4 attributes of the church of the devil are a good thing (money, power, popularity, lusts of the flesh)
-Isaiah is old school, RMN is in
-Sermon on the Mount is old school, a long as you "don't act on it" is in.
-Babylon is pretty cool...stuff, stuff and more stuff.
while I agree with other things you said,
sorry but THIS simply is not true - at all.
" those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah"
"Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures."
sorry but, the far majority here, do not read the scriptures, or know the scriptures,
or care that much about the word of God. And that's why they don't post scriptures.

In the 6 years I've been here, I've probably posted more scriptures than anyone ever has in this forum;
especially on Isaiah, and how it applies to us today, and is referring to us many times.
And in those 6 years,
first of all, I have found that, members - in general, including most in this forum -
don't know or care about the scriptures at all,
simply because they don't read them - just as Hugh Nibley said.

"A well known LDS writer once wrote a foreword in a book and said -

"This book might well be entitled
"What you always wanted to know about the Gospel
but were too lazy to find out."
"All answers are in the scriptures,
but Latter-day Saints do not read the scriptures
."


Hugh Nibley

And secondly, and more important,
besides not understanding or caring about the scriptures or reading them,
they even care less about reading and trying to understand Isaiah
and keeping this Commandment the Lord gave, and WHY - He gave it -
which for this reason, I have felt prompted by the spirit, to post this;
which isn't too bad of a thing to do, is it.

ALSO - I might add.
Long before this Scamdemic, when some members finally woke up,
finding ***** that the church is not all what it's cracked up to be,
and has been led astray and in apostasy,

long before that, when I first came to this forum over 6 years ago,
using the name Isaiah
search.php?keywords=&terms=all&author=I ... mit=Search
I was preaching back then (the same things that I still am now) about Isaiah,
and how the church was in apostasy etc. etc,
and have helped (starting clear back then) and been a leading person, if not - THE leading person
in waking members up, and bring this forum to seeing and understanding and accepting that ***** above
and to where it finally is now;
I was kicked out twice in that time for doing it,
but I believe it's been worth it and is what the Lord has had me do.
Be careful about your assumptions. Like Moses and Aaron, not all of us are given the gift to convey our thoughts equally. I study daily and have several friends that have read Giliadi, deeply drinking in the words of Isaiah, but they don't post here. Some people are meant to speak the words of the Lord, others focus their time more on trying to live the words of the Lord. Some simply don't have the gift to gab.
assumptions ?
viewtopic.php?p=1364737#p1364737

the gift to gab ?
I don't know that quoting the Lord and His Commandment He gave,
and asking others to keep it, is really all that bad.
And if I were you, I don't think I would reduce that and call it "the gift of gab".

and btw- this is how you spell Gileadi.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 5:52 am
by Reluctant Watchman
Being There wrote: March 15th, 2023, 10:48 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: March 15th, 2023, 10:24 pm
Being There wrote: March 15th, 2023, 9:47 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: March 15th, 2023, 9:23 pm I thought the lack of interest was due to the condescending tone in the OP, I could be wrong. :)

I did bookmark the thread… I guess we take what small wins we can get.
condescending tone ?
I guess truth CAN sound like that.

IF THE LORD HAS GIVEN US A COMMANDMENT,
and I"m saying that we (in general) are not keeping it,
and by NOT keeping a commandment - shows that we do not love the Lord -
and I'm asking WHY ?
By you saying that the OP - WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?, - has a condescending tone -
you prove my point.
Do you realize that from the title thread that you are talking down to people? You’ve made an amazing amount of assumptions all throughout this thread.

1.Why do you assume people don’t love the Lord?
2.Why do you assume that because they don’t do or believe like you, that they love the Lord any less?
3.Why do you assume that people aren’t reading Isaiah?
there you go again - as usual.

I think you're led by the wrong spirit buddy.


If you think I'm going to be diverted by you and be led like you are,
into satan's quicksand, and waste my time answering you stupid questions - 1. 2. 3.
that have already been answered,
YOU'RE WRONG !
I'm not that easily swayed as you are.

go with the truth or go against it; *****
and you're going against it - not against me, but against the Lord whom I'm quoting.

***** And as usual, you'll twist it, and say "you mean you, I need to agree with you for it to be truth or I'm wrong".

You see, that's how you are and the game you play.

truly a waste of time my friend - deceiving yourself and diverting others from the truth.
If you didn’t want to waste your time, then you’d simply think about what I said, and then NOT waste your time in responding.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 6:11 am
by Luke
Reluctant Watchman wrote: March 10th, 2023, 9:38 am
Being There wrote: March 10th, 2023, 7:31 am So what are your lame excuses for not loving the Lord because you're not keeping this Commandment ?
Aren't you chipper today.
Nothing wrong with some peals-of-thunder preaching. Sometimes we need it.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 6:17 am
by Reluctant Watchman
Luke wrote: March 16th, 2023, 6:11 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: March 10th, 2023, 9:38 am
Being There wrote: March 10th, 2023, 7:31 am So what are your lame excuses for not loving the Lord because you're not keeping this Commandment ?
Aren't you chipper today.
Nothing wrong with some peals-of-thunder preaching. Sometimes we need it.
I’m fine w/ someone striving to awaken w/ purpose the general sensibilities of people, but to start out your invitation using the word “lame” is a bit condescending. It tells me this person really doesn’t care what you think. They just want to plant their foot on some level of moral superiority. They don’t want to have a conversation, they want to tell you why YOU are wrong.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 7:26 am
by tmac
As I have said elsewhere, and have been thinking more and more often in discussions like this, is that one thing I do find quite interesting, especially (and increasingly) here on LDSFF is the degree of haughtiness and pride expressed and/or demonstrated (often manifest as disdain for others) about the extent to which people feel like they’ve got it everything figured out, and know exactly what is wrong with everyone else, and why. It is interesting to see the degree to which some people seemingly gloat in the downfall of the Church, for example.

A lot of times it simply boils down to the tone. Christ was in a position to call-out the Pharisees and Sadducees for their hypocrisy, but how many of us are?

When the tone is not one of love, or meekness or mildness, but rather of haughtiness, pride, disdain, and moral superiority, it is always, always hard to swallow.

Why do we, as people, always seem to insist on doing that to ourselves?

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 7:29 am
by Wolfwoman
Being There wrote: March 15th, 2023, 11:36 pm
moving2zion wrote: March 15th, 2023, 11:24 pm
Being There wrote: March 10th, 2023, 7:02 pm
The Red Pill wrote: March 10th, 2023, 9:46 am I would agree with your assessment of church members and leaders in general...however those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah, better than ANY group of people I have encountered.

Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures.

Most LDS think:

-Secret combinations are the mafia
-The 4 attributes of the church of the devil are a good thing (money, power, popularity, lusts of the flesh)
-Isaiah is old school, RMN is in
-Sermon on the Mount is old school, a long as you "don't act on it" is in.
-Babylon is pretty cool...stuff, stuff and more stuff.
while I agree with other things you said,
sorry but THIS simply is not true - at all.
" those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah"
"Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures."
sorry but, the far majority here, do not read the scriptures, or know the scriptures,
or care that much about the word of God. And that's why they don't post scriptures.

In the 6 years I've been here, I've probably posted more scriptures than anyone ever has in this forum;
especially on Isaiah, and how it applies to us today, and is referring to us many times.
And in those 6 years,
first of all, I have found that, members - in general, including most in this forum -
don't know or care about the scriptures at all,
simply because they don't read them - just as Hugh Nibley said.

"A well known LDS writer once wrote a foreword in a book and said -

"This book might well be entitled
"What you always wanted to know about the Gospel
but were too lazy to find out."
"All answers are in the scriptures,
but Latter-day Saints do not read the scriptures
."


Hugh Nibley

And secondly, and more important,
besides not understanding or caring about the scriptures or reading them,
they even care less about reading and trying to understand Isaiah
and keeping this Commandment the Lord gave, and WHY - He gave it -
which for this reason, I have felt prompted by the spirit, to post this;
which isn't too bad of a thing to do, is it.

ALSO - I might add.
Long before this Scamdemic, when some members finally woke up,
finding ***** that the church is not all what it's cracked up to be,
and has been led astray and in apostasy,

long before that, when I first came to this forum over 6 years ago,
using the name Isaiah
search.php?keywords=&terms=all&author=I ... mit=Search
I was preaching back then (the same things that I still am now) about Isaiah,
and how the church was in apostasy etc. etc,
and have helped (starting clear back then) and been a leading person, if not - THE leading person
in waking members up, and bring this forum to seeing and understanding and accepting that ***** above
and to where it finally is now;
I was kicked out twice in that time for doing it,
but I believe it's been worth it and is what the Lord has had me do.
Be careful about your assumptions. Like Moses and Aaron, not all of us are given the gift to convey our thoughts equally. I study daily and have several friends that have read Giliadi, deeply drinking in the words of Isaiah, but they don't post here. Some people are meant to speak the words of the Lord, others focus their time more on trying to live the words of the Lord. Some simply don't have the gift to gab.
assumptions ?
viewtopic.php?p=1364737#p1364737

the gift to gab ?
I don't know that quoting the Lord and His Commandment He gave,
and asking others to keep it, is really all that bad.
And if I were you, I don't think I would reduce that and call it "the gift of gab".

and btw- this is how you spell Gileadi.
Is that what you think you did? Quoted the Lord and then asked others to keep it?

You need a reality check.

You came in accusing. You think you’re emulating the Lord, but it’s Satan who is the accuser.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 7:59 am
by Being There
Wolfwoman wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:29 am
Being There wrote: March 15th, 2023, 11:36 pm
moving2zion wrote: March 15th, 2023, 11:24 pm
Being There wrote: March 10th, 2023, 7:02 pm

while I agree with other things you said,
sorry but THIS simply is not true - at all.


sorry but, the far majority here, do not read the scriptures, or know the scriptures,
or care that much about the word of God. And that's why they don't post scriptures.

In the 6 years I've been here, I've probably posted more scriptures than anyone ever has in this forum;
especially on Isaiah, and how it applies to us today, and is referring to us many times.
And in those 6 years,
first of all, I have found that, members - in general, including most in this forum -
don't know or care about the scriptures at all,
simply because they don't read them - just as Hugh Nibley said.

"A well known LDS writer once wrote a foreword in a book and said -

"This book might well be entitled
"What you always wanted to know about the Gospel
but were too lazy to find out."
"All answers are in the scriptures,
but Latter-day Saints do not read the scriptures
."


Hugh Nibley

And secondly, and more important,
besides not understanding or caring about the scriptures or reading them,
they even care less about reading and trying to understand Isaiah
and keeping this Commandment the Lord gave, and WHY - He gave it -
which for this reason, I have felt prompted by the spirit, to post this;
which isn't too bad of a thing to do, is it.

ALSO - I might add.
Long before this Scamdemic, when some members finally woke up,
finding ***** that the church is not all what it's cracked up to be,
and has been led astray and in apostasy,

long before that, when I first came to this forum over 6 years ago,
using the name Isaiah
search.php?keywords=&terms=all&author=I ... mit=Search
I was preaching back then (the same things that I still am now) about Isaiah,
and how the church was in apostasy etc. etc,
and have helped (starting clear back then) and been a leading person, if not - THE leading person
in waking members up, and bring this forum to seeing and understanding and accepting that ***** above
and to where it finally is now;
I was kicked out twice in that time for doing it,
but I believe it's been worth it and is what the Lord has had me do.
Be careful about your assumptions. Like Moses and Aaron, not all of us are given the gift to convey our thoughts equally. I study daily and have several friends that have read Giliadi, deeply drinking in the words of Isaiah, but they don't post here. Some people are meant to speak the words of the Lord, others focus their time more on trying to live the words of the Lord. Some simply don't have the gift to gab.
assumptions ?
viewtopic.php?p=1364737#p1364737

the gift to gab ?
I don't know that quoting the Lord and His Commandment He gave,
and asking others to keep it, is really all that bad.
And if I were you, I don't think I would reduce that and call it "the gift of gab".

and btw- this is how you spell Gileadi.
Is that what you think you did? Quoted the Lord and then asked others to keep it?

You need a reality check.

You came in accusing. You think you’re emulating the Lord, but it’s Satan who is the accuser.
reality.
lol
I think it's you that needs to stop being influenced by satan and fighting against truth
and wake up and come back to reality,
and learn how to add 2 and 2 together.

Here, I'll do it for ya.
If the Lord has said -
"If ye love me, keep my commandments.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me"

and if "we" meaning the far majority of members - ARE NOT keeping this Commandment,
then I think it's safe to say, what my OP says "WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?"

there, I just added 2+2 for ya.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 8:04 am
by Being There
satan hates truth.
Just look at those whose tongues lash out at it.

You're not fighting against me, you're fighting against the Lord.
I'm nothing. I'm just quoting His words.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 8:12 am
by tmac
And you’re doing it with a very harsh, condescending, morally superior tone.

Most people don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care.

You may know a lot, but how much do you care?

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 8:17 am
by Reluctant Watchman
Being There wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:59 am
Wolfwoman wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:29 am
Being There wrote: March 15th, 2023, 11:36 pm
moving2zion wrote: March 15th, 2023, 11:24 pm

Be careful about your assumptions. Like Moses and Aaron, not all of us are given the gift to convey our thoughts equally. I study daily and have several friends that have read Giliadi, deeply drinking in the words of Isaiah, but they don't post here. Some people are meant to speak the words of the Lord, others focus their time more on trying to live the words of the Lord. Some simply don't have the gift to gab.
assumptions ?
viewtopic.php?p=1364737#p1364737

the gift to gab ?
I don't know that quoting the Lord and His Commandment He gave,
and asking others to keep it, is really all that bad.
And if I were you, I don't think I would reduce that and call it "the gift of gab".

and btw- this is how you spell Gileadi.
Is that what you think you did? Quoted the Lord and then asked others to keep it?

You need a reality check.

You came in accusing. You think you’re emulating the Lord, but it’s Satan who is the accuser.
reality.
lol
I think it's you that needs to stop being influenced by satan and fighting against truth
and wake up and come back to reality,
and learn how to add 2 and 2 together.

Here, I'll do it for ya.
If the Lord has said -
"If ye love me, keep my commandments.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me"

and if "we" meaning the far majority of members - ARE NOT keeping this Commandment,
then I think it's safe to say, what my OP says "WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?"

there, I just added 2+2 for ya.
Which members of this forum do you believe are breaking the commandments? And, which commandments are they breaking? I think the accusation that we aren’t loving the Lord requires you to define your audience (the who) and be specific in your claims of disobedience (the why).

Christ almost always defined his audience, taught correct doctrine, and then made an invitation.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 8:46 am
by Being There
tmac wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:26 am As I have said elsewhere, and have been thinking more and more often in discussions like this, is that one thing I do find quite interesting, especially (and increasingly) here on LDSFF is the degree of haughtiness and pride expressed and/or demonstrated (often manifest as disdain for others) about the extent to which people feel like they’ve got it everything figured out, and know exactly what is wrong with everyone else, and why.

A lot of times it simply boils down to the tone. Christ was in a position to call-out the Pharisees and Sadducees for their hypocrisy, but how many of us are?

When the tone is not one of love, or meekness or mildness, but rather of haughtiness, pride, disdain, and moral superiority, it is always, always hard to swallow.

Why do we, as people, always seem to insist on doing that to ourselves?
If you really want to know what haughtiness and pride is and what satan looks like,
just look at those in this thread - like YOU - trying to remove the focus on what my OP is about,
and just focus on me - criticizing me and cutting me down anyway they can.
That's what haughtiness and pride is - fighting against truth. And YES ! "it's always hard to swallow"
You're really no different then those in The Book of Mormon - with their - your haughtiness and pride.
You're just 1 more to add to the list of prideful members responsible for the cause of the destruction of the Gentiles.
Congrats !


and sorry, but you must not know what love is.
"love" is not always - as you say - "meekness or mildness".
Jesus' love extends beyond that - by keeping His Commandments;
as you can see -
"If ye love me, keep my commandments.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me"


I think you need to keep this Commandment the Lord gave,
and "search diligently" the words of Isaiah more.

“Proclaim it aloud without restraint; raise your voice like a trumpet!
Declare to my people their transgressions, to the house of Jacob its sins”

(Isaiah 58:1).


Isn't it funny, how we can all call-out the church and it's leaders - for what they do,
but when the tables are turned, and some nobody calls-out YOU - for NOT doing something,
then members don't like it very well, and this is the response you get. SMH.

look in the mirror buddy.
"Why do we, as people, always seem to insist on doing that to ourselves?"

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 8:58 am
by tmac
Fair enough. But I don't know anyone who is going to just accept and receive the "Love" the way you are trying to deliver it. I am well-acquainted with how that approach flies with my wife, children, and others. Again, most people don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care. So, good luck. I wish you the very best.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 9:00 am
by Being There
Reluctant Watchman wrote: March 16th, 2023, 8:17 am
Being There wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:59 am
Wolfwoman wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:29 am
Being There wrote: March 15th, 2023, 11:36 pm

assumptions ?
viewtopic.php?p=1364737#p1364737

the gift to gab ?
I don't know that quoting the Lord and His Commandment He gave,
and asking others to keep it, is really all that bad.
And if I were you, I don't think I would reduce that and call it "the gift of gab".

and btw- this is how you spell Gileadi.
Is that what you think you did? Quoted the Lord and then asked others to keep it?

You need a reality check.

You came in accusing. You think you’re emulating the Lord, but it’s Satan who is the accuser.
reality.
lol
I think it's you that needs to stop being influenced by satan and fighting against truth
and wake up and come back to reality,
and learn how to add 2 and 2 together.

Here, I'll do it for ya.
If the Lord has said -
"If ye love me, keep my commandments.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me"

and if "we" meaning the far majority of members - ARE NOT keeping this Commandment,
then I think it's safe to say, what my OP says "WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?"

there, I just added 2+2 for ya.
Which members of this forum do you believe are breaking the commandments? And, which commandments are they breaking? I think the accusation that we aren’t loving the Lord requires you to define your audience (the who) and be specific in your claims of disobedience (the why).

Christ almost always defined his audience, taught correct doctrine, and then made an invitation.
there you go again. Diversion diversion. One of satan's best tactics.

You must either have a learning disability,
or you just don't read others comments - which is what I'm guessing.
But lucky for your sake, I'll copy and past what I already said - in a comment to someone.


sorry but THIS simply is not true - at all.
" those on this forum understand the scriptures, including Isaiah"
"Some have Interpretations I don't agree with...but at least they know the scriptures."
sorry but, the far majority here, do not read the scriptures, or know the scriptures,
or care that much about the word of God. And that's why they don't post scriptures.

In the 6 years I've been here, I've probably posted more scriptures than anyone ever has in this forum;
especially on Isaiah, and how it applies to us today, and is referring to us many times.
And in those 6 years,
first of all, I have found that, members - in general, including most in this forum -
don't know or care about the scriptures at all,
simply because they don't read them - just as Hugh Nibley said.

"A well known LDS writer once wrote a foreword in a book and said -

"This book might well be entitled
"What you always wanted to know about the Gospel
but were too lazy to find out."
"All answers are in the scriptures,
but Latter-day Saints do not read the scriptures
."


Hugh Nibley

And secondly, and more important,
besides not understanding or caring about the scriptures or reading them,
they even care less about reading and trying to understand Isaiah
and keeping this Commandment the Lord gave, and WHY - He gave it -
which for this reason, I have felt prompted by the spirit, to post this;
which isn't too bad of a thing to do, is it.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 9:05 am
by Reluctant Watchman
Being There wrote: March 16th, 2023, 9:00 am You must either have a learning disability,
I've tried to make it a point in the last few months not to demean people and make personal attacks. Many on the forum may not believe this, but I have. I've tried to make great efforts in focusing on the issue at hand, be that a societal topic or doctrine. But this comment... really??!!

When you say things like this you lose all credibility in my mind because it shows you don't genuinely care. I'll just stop responding. I hope you find Jesus in your life.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 9:09 am
by Reluctant Watchman
Being There wrote: March 16th, 2023, 9:00 am sorry but, the far majority here, do not read the scriptures, or know the scriptures,
or care that much about the word of God. And that's why they don't post scriptures.
Assume much? OK, that's my last comment. Just think about what you are assuming with comments like these. You've created this LDSFF world in your head and because someone seemingly doesn't conform to this paradigm you judge the hell out of them. Literally.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 9:30 am
by Being There
tmac wrote: March 16th, 2023, 8:12 am And you’re doing it with a very harsh, condescending, morally superior tone.

Most people don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care.

You may know a lot, but how much do you care?
"morally superior tone"
"Most people don’t care how much you know"
"You may know a lot"
Hmm. interesting.

sounds to me like you have some sort of insecurity complex or something,
that would make you think that way and say that.

"morally superior tone" ! give me a break.
My OP and what it's about, and the things I've said; and quoting the things the Lord has said,
isn't at all like me acting as if I'm morally superior. lol.
That's just what you're worried about.
"You may know a lot"
"Most people don’t care how much you know"
neither do I - at all.
I could care less.
Just because I post scriptures, doesn't mean I know so much.
I'm NOTHING of a scholar.
BUT, I'll tell ya what I DO HAVE going for me.
I LOVE TRUTH !
which is more than I can say for many others;
that seem to prefer their own opinions,
over the truth from the scriptures.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 9:50 am
by Being There
Reluctant Watchman wrote: March 16th, 2023, 9:05 am
Being There wrote: March 16th, 2023, 9:00 am You must either have a learning disability,
I've tried to make it a point in the last few months not to demean people and make personal attacks. Many on the forum may not believe this, but I have. I've tried to make great efforts in focusing on the issue at hand, be that a societal topic or doctrine. But this comment... really??!!

When you say things like this you lose all credibility in my mind because it shows you don't genuinely care. I'll just stop responding. I hope you find Jesus in your life.
When you say things like this you lose all credibility in my mind because it shows you don't genuinely care.
caring is easy, but truth IS a hard pill to swallow.
I'll just stop responding.
Thank you, because instead of any positive response - on what my OP is about -
all you comments have been negative, questioning everything, condescending and criticizing.

I'm a mirror, and most of the time - for those that come against me,
they don't like what they see.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 10:00 am
by Being There
Being There wrote: March 10th, 2023, 7:31 am "If ye love me, keep my commandments.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me"


In The Book of Mormon, the Lord has given us a Commandment to "search diligently" the words of Isaiah.
"Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah"

So what are your lame excuses for not loving the Lord because you're not keeping this Commandment ?

Yes, it's obvious, by what I've seen of church members, and in this forum, that very very few are keeping this Commandment.
WHY ?

Do you not believe in The Book of Mormon ?
Do you not think that this Commandment applies to you ? -
even though The Book of Mormon is the keystone of our religion,
and we should liken the scriptures to ourselves..

Or is it because you could careless about the Word of God and our scriptures ?
Maybe that's it.

A well known LDS writer once wrote a foreword in a book and said -

"This book might well be entitled
"What you always wanted to know about the Gospel
but were too lazy to find out."
"All answers are in the scriptures,
but Latter-day Saints do not read the scriptures
."


Hugh Nibley
AND NOW - (before satan diverted this thread ) -
back to the OP and to what's important - and the things Jesus said.


HAVE BEEN AND SHALL BE"

3 "And all things that he spake (HAVE BEEN AND SHALL BE),
even according to the words which he spake." 3 Nephi 23.

So what the Lord is saying is first,
Yea, a commandment I give unto
you that ye search these things diligently;
for great are the words of Isaiah.,"
and that, the things that Isaiah is saying are still in the future
"AND SHALL BE even according to the words which he spake." !

3 Nephi 23:1- 4
1 "And now, behold, I say unto you,
that ye ought to search these things.
Yea, a commandment I give unto
you that ye search these things diligently;
for great are the words of Isaiah."


2 "For surely he spake as touching all things
concerning my people which are of the house of Israel;
therefore it must needs be that he must speak
also to the Gentiles."


3 "And all things that he spake have been - and shall be ********,
even according to the words which he spake."


4 "Therefore give heed to my words;
write the things which I have told you;
and according to the time and the will
of the Father they shall go forth unto the Gentiles."

3 Nephi 20:11
11 "Ye remember that I spake unto you,
and said that when the words of Isaiah
should be fulfilled—behold they are written,
ye have them before you, therefore search them-"


"HAVE BEEN AND SHALL BE"
********** Isaiah uses what are called types from the past to show the future.
What has happened before, will happen again.

ALL THE PROPHECIES OF ISAIAH PERTAIN TO US TODAY
All prophecies in Isaiah are prophecies of the last days.


Isaiah 44:7
7 "Who predicts what happens as do I, and is the equal of me in
appointing a people from of old as types, foretelling things to come?

Isaiah 46
10 I foretell the end from the beginning,
from ancient times things not yet done.
I speak, and my purposes take effect;
I accomplish all my will.


So, isn't it just a little more than just a coincidence,
that here - first we were put under condemnation for treating the Book of Mormon lightly,
and when we search the Book of Mormon we have the Lord giving us this commandment
to "search diligently" the words of Isaiah,
and when we do, and start to read Isaiah,
what do we find in the very 1st Chapter of the Book ?
We find that Isaiah begins his book with our apostasy.
Hmm - now that's interesting isn't it.


Referring to our church and the sad condition we are in,
Isaiah begins his book speaking to us,
Ephraim, or the church today.

Isaiah 1:2-5
Description of modern Ephraim
(addressing our church he calls Israel)

2 Hear, O heavens! Give heed, O earth!
Jehovah has spoken:I have reared sons,
brought them up,but they have revolted against me.
3 The ox knows its owner,the donkey its master’s stall,
but Israel does not know; my people are insensible.

***
4 Alas, a nation astray, a people weighed down by sin, the offspring of wrongdoers, perverse children:
they have forsaken Jehovah, they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
, they have lapsed into APOSTASY.

From addressing his people personally as “Israel . . . my people” (v 3), Jehovah now addresses them impersonally as “a nation,” signifying their alienated state. Additionally, a regression occurs from his people’s simply going “astray” to their burdening themselves with “sin,” which, over time, ends in outright “wrongdoing.” That occurs collectively and generationally.
The “offspring of wrongdoers” turn into “perverse children,” meaning that the rising generation has by now become thoroughly corrupt. “Forsaking” Jehovah and “spurning” him finally become conscious and deliberate acts.

They have lapsed into apostasy. Hebrew nazoru ahor signifies that Jehovah’s people have become entirely “estranged” from him.
They have “gone backwards” to what they used to be before they became Jehovah’s covenant people, when they didn’t know their God. In effect, they have become godless again like the world’s heathen nations, but now more so because they have rejected the light they once had.
The apostasy into which they began to backslide a generation ago is now complete.
As a consequence, instead of enjoying the blessings of the covenant, they must suffer its curses."




EVERYTHING IN THE BOOK OF ISAIAH IS SPEAKING TO THE LORD'S END-TIME PEOPLE -
(US - OUR CORRUPT CHURCH TODAY.)


10 Hear the word of Jehovah, O leaders of Sodom; give heed to the law of our God, you people of Gomorrah!

To call Jehovah’s people and their leaders by the names Sodom and Gomorrah
is to compare their moral degeneracy to that of those cities’ ancient inhabitants.
As the leaders of a people generally reflect the people themselves, and as the political and ecclesiastical leaders of Jehovah’s people parallel each other in the Book of Isaiah, their spiritual condition holds little hope for the rising generation. When things reach that point, Jehovah’s people are fortunate indeed if Jehovah offers them a last warning. For those who accept it, there may yet be a chance of deliverance; otherwise, their destruction is assured.


Hear the word of Jehovah . . . give heed to the law of our God.
Knowing that Jehovah does nothing unless he reveals his secret to his servants the prophets (Amos 3:7),
he sends a warning voice before destroying his people.
In the Book of Isaiah, that warning voice is Jehovah’s servant, of whom Isaiah is a type.
Pointing them to Jehovah’s “law” and “word—to the terms of his covenant—the servant directs them to the one thing that has the power to reverse their circumstances. Replacing current aberrant religious practices with keeping Jehovah’s law and word remains his people’s only hope.


21 How the faithful city has become a harlot!
She was filled with justice; righteousness made its abode in her, but now murderers.

Foreseeing his people’s imminent calamity because they choose not to repent, the prophet grieves for them, the word “How” characterizing a lament (Lamentations 1:1; 2:1; 4:1). In other words, the prophet is asking, “How could this tragedy have happened? How is it that this people didn’t repent in time? How could those who were once righteous become so wicked?” The term “harlot” attests to their broken covenant relationship with Jehovah their husband (Isaiah 57:3-13). Besides identifying a specific place, the term “city” represents Jehovah’s covenant people in general (Isaiah 45:13; 60:14).

She was filled with justice. Righteousness made her abode in her, but now murderers. “Justice” (mispat) and “righteousness” (sedeq)—the basis of all covenant blessings and the underpinnings of a law-abiding society—have given way to injustice and unrighteousness. The term “murderers” reiterates the level of wickedness to which Jehovah’s people have sunk. The term righteousness additionally identifies Jehovah’s end-time servant who acts as an exemplar of righteousness to Jehovah’s people (Isaiah 41:2, 25; 46:11-13) and whom Jehovah appoints to restore justice in the earth (Isaiah 42:1-4).

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 10:23 am
by tmac
It looks and sounds like you’re “on the prod.” Like I said before, good luck. I wish you the very best.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 10:43 am
by Atrasado
Godislove wrote: March 10th, 2023, 9:23 am Just Curious - For those that have read and understand Isaiah....I'm in the process of reading through it again and my understanding is that we will be under the rule of a foreign invader for about the space of 3 years.
Is this your understanding as well?
I know that there is going to be a foreign invasion. That's all over Isaiah. The only thing I've seen on how long it will last is it will last until the Lord has finished his work punishing "Egypt," meaning the United States. I don't know how long that will be. It could be three years, it could be a lot less.

Somebody else might have a different opinion.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 16th, 2023, 11:18 am
by Godislove
Atrasado wrote: March 16th, 2023, 10:43 am
Godislove wrote: March 10th, 2023, 9:23 am Just Curious - For those that have read and understand Isaiah....I'm in the process of reading through it again and my understanding is that we will be under the rule of a foreign invader for about the space of 3 years.
Is this your understanding as well?
I know that there is going to be a foreign invasion. That's all over Isaiah. The only thing I've seen on how long it will last is it will last until the Lord has finished his work punishing "Egypt," meaning the United States. I don't know how long that will be. It could be three years, it could be a lot less.

Somebody else might have a different opinion.
The reason I wonder about the 3 years stems from these verses.

Isaiah 16:14
But now the LORD hath spoken, saying, Within three years, as the years of an hireling, and the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble.

Isaiah 15:5
5 My heart shall cry out for Moab; his fugitives shall flee unto Zoar, an heifer of three years old: for by the mounting up of Luhith with weeping shall they go it up; for in the way of Horonaim they shall raise up a cry of destruction.

Isaiah 10:25

For yet a very little while and the indignation will cease, as will My anger in their destruction.”

In any event it's going to be devastating.

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 17th, 2023, 6:34 pm
by Being There
Godislove wrote: March 16th, 2023, 11:18 am
Atrasado wrote: March 16th, 2023, 10:43 am
Godislove wrote: March 10th, 2023, 9:23 am Just Curious - For those that have read and understand Isaiah....I'm in the process of reading through it again and my understanding is that we will be under the rule of a foreign invader for about the space of 3 years.
Is this your understanding as well?
I know that there is going to be a foreign invasion. That's all over Isaiah. The only thing I've seen on how long it will last is it will last until the Lord has finished his work punishing "Egypt," meaning the United States. I don't know how long that will be. It could be three years, it could be a lot less.

Somebody else might have a different opinion.
The reason I wonder about the 3 years stems from these verses.

Isaiah 16:14
But now the LORD hath spoken, saying, Within three years, as the years of an hireling, and the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble.

Isaiah 15:5
5 My heart shall cry out for Moab; his fugitives shall flee unto Zoar, an heifer of three years old: for by the mounting up of Luhith with weeping shall they go it up; for in the way of Horonaim they shall raise up a cry of destruction.

Isaiah 10:25

For yet a very little while and the indignation will cease, as will My anger in their destruction.”

In any event it's going to be devastating.
Do we have 3 years to repent ?
or is this the end of the 3 years ?

Egypt - is the U.S.
King of Assyria - could be Russia
Cush (upper Egypt) is most likely Canada

Isaiah 20
Assyria subjugates the superpower Egypt after Jehovah’s prophet–servant gives three years’ warning.

1 In the year the general who was sent by Sargon king of Assyria came to Ashdod
and took it by combat,
2 Jehovah had spoken through Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and ungird the sackcloth from your loins and remove the shoes from your feet. And he had done so, going naked and barefoot.
3 Then Jehovah said, Just as my servant Isaiah has gone naked and barefoot for three years as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush,
4 so shall the king of Assyria lead away the captives of Egypt and the exiles of Cush, both young and old, naked and barefoot, with buttocks uncovered—to Egypt’s shame.

Although Isaiah is already in a state of mourning because of the wickedness of Jehovah’s people and Assyria’s aggressiveness, Jehovah now asks him to go naked and barefoot as a “sign and portent” against Egypt and Cush (cf. Isaiah 8:18). Exposing himself to the elements and to people’s mockery, Isaiah—“my servant”—obeys.
As a type of Jehovah’s end-time servant, Isaiah gives warning of Assyria’s invasion of Egypt and Cush (Upper Egypt) and of the humiliation of their captives.
They have three years in which to repent before three years of Jehovah’s Day of Judgment overtake them (cf. Isaiah 16:14).

5 Men shall be appalled and perplexed at Cush, their hope,
and at Egypt, their boast.
6 In that day shall the inhabitants of this isle say, See what has become of those we looked up to, on whom we relied for help and deliverance from the king of Assyria! How shall we ourselves escape?

The nations of the world who rely on Egypt’s military might to protect them see their hopes dashed when Assyria ravishes Egypt and Cush (Upper Egypt): “Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help, relying on horses, putting their trust in immense numbers of chariots and vast forces of horsemen, but who do not look to the Holy One of Israel, nor inquire of Jehovah!” (Isaiah 31:1); “Pharaoh’s protection shall turn to your shame, shelter in Egypt’s shadow to embarrassment” (Isaiah 30:2).
Without Jehovah’s divine intervention, the great superpower the world so admired proves no match for Assyria.

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Three Years’ Warning Followed by Judgment

God gives ample warning before cleansing the earth of wickedness—in the end-time as anciently. In Isaiah’s day, for example, God commands Isaiah to go naked and barefoot for three years as a portent of Assyria’s invasion of Egypt (Isaiah 20:2–4). (Not known for being politically correct by modern standards, God ever leaves room for doubters to spurn his warnings.) Similarly, God gives Moab, a kindred people, three years’ warning—“like the term of a lease”—before Moab’s glory turns to shame, its large populace perishes, and but few inhabitants remain (Isaiah 16:14).

Isaiah 16

13 These things Jehovah spoke hitherto about Moab.
14 But now Jehovah has said, Within three years, as the term of a lease, Moab’s glory shall become ignominy.
For all its large populace there shall be very few left, and those of no account.

Moab’s three-year lease of time in which to mend its ways applies to Greater Babylon in general.
In his long-suffering, Jehovah sends the world three years of warning through his servant before his Day of Judgment commences (Isaiah 20:1-6).
Then, in a long-awaited reversal of circumstances, Greater Babylon’s glory turns to ignominy while Zion’s ignominy turns to glory (Isaiah 47:1; 52:1-3).
Although Greater Babylon comprises a majority of the world’s population, it boasts of no righteous surviving remnant (Isaiah 13:19; 14:22; 21:9).
The few souls of Moab who remain alive aren’t noteworthy.
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Fall time - before the harvest ? - Jehovah’s Day of Judgment

Isaiah 18

4 For thus said Jehovah to me:I will watch in silence over my dwelling place when the searing heat overtakes the reapers,
and when the rain clouds appear amid the fever of reaping.

In the same way a rainstorm spells disaster at a grain harvest, so Jehovah’s Day of Judgment
arrives at the worst moment: (1) literally at harvest time, depriving Jehovah’s unrepentant people of food; and (2) figuratively at Jehovah’s harvest of the wicked when they are least expecting it.

Jehovah’s informing his servant of the approaching calamity spells hope for those who heed his summons (v 3). Although Jehovah is a sanctuary for those who love him (Isaiah 8:14; 25:4-5),
he doesn’t hinder the searing heat—the archtyrant’s destruction—from overtaking the wicked (Isaiah 9:18-19; 33:14-16).

5 For before the harvest,when the time of flowering is past and the set blossoms are developing into young fruit,they will cut down the fruit-bearing twigs with knives and remove the new branches by slashing.
6 All shall be left to the birds of prey of the mountains and to the beasts of the land:the birds of prey will feed on them all summer and the beasts of the land all winter.

Before the fruit harvest—indicating the time of year—the enemy invades the land and despoils the orchards, leaving little that sustains life. While the land’s desolation by aliens and its overrunning by wildlife represent covenant curses, the birds of prey and beasts of the land additionally signify infestation by bands of marauders who seek subsistence wherever they can find it: “The whole land shall revert to wilderness” (Isaiah 7:24); “Hawks and falcons shall possess it, and owls and ravens inhabit it” (Isaiah 34:11); “All you wild beasts, you animals of the forest, come and devour!” (Isaiah 56:9).

Re: WHY DON'T YOU LOVE THE LORD ?

Posted: March 17th, 2023, 7:17 pm
by Godislove
Being There wrote: March 17th, 2023, 6:34 pm
Godislove wrote: March 16th, 2023, 11:18 am
Atrasado wrote: March 16th, 2023, 10:43 am

I know that there is going to be a foreign invasion. That's all over Isaiah. The only thing I've seen on how long it will last is it will last until the Lord has finished his work punishing "Egypt," meaning the United States. I don't know how long that will be. It could be three years, it could be a lot less.

Somebody else might have a different opinion.
The reason I wonder about the 3 years stems from these verses.

Isaiah 16:14
But now the LORD hath spoken, saying, Within three years, as the years of an hireling, and the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble.

Isaiah 15:5
5 My heart shall cry out for Moab; his fugitives shall flee unto Zoar, an heifer of three years old: for by the mounting up of Luhith with weeping shall they go it up; for in the way of Horonaim they shall raise up a cry of destruction.

Isaiah 10:25

For yet a very little while and the indignation will cease, as will My anger in their destruction.”

In any event it's going to be devastating.
Do we have 3 years to repent ?
or is this the end of the 3 years ?

Egypt - is the U.S.
King of Assyria - could be Russia
Cush (upper Egypt) is most likely Canada

Isaiah 20
Assyria subjugates the superpower Egypt after Jehovah’s prophet–servant gives three years’ warning.

1 In the year the general who was sent by Sargon king of Assyria came to Ashdod
and took it by combat,
2 Jehovah had spoken through Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and ungird the sackcloth from your loins and remove the shoes from your feet. And he had done so, going naked and barefoot.
3 Then Jehovah said, Just as my servant Isaiah has gone naked and barefoot for three years as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush,
4 so shall the king of Assyria lead away the captives of Egypt and the exiles of Cush, both young and old, naked and barefoot, with buttocks uncovered—to Egypt’s shame.

Although Isaiah is already in a state of mourning because of the wickedness of Jehovah’s people and Assyria’s aggressiveness, Jehovah now asks him to go naked and barefoot as a “sign and portent” against Egypt and Cush (cf. Isaiah 8:18). Exposing himself to the elements and to people’s mockery, Isaiah—“my servant”—obeys.
As a type of Jehovah’s end-time servant, Isaiah gives warning of Assyria’s invasion of Egypt and Cush (Upper Egypt) and of the humiliation of their captives.
They have three years in which to repent before three years of Jehovah’s Day of Judgment overtake them (cf. Isaiah 16:14).

5 Men shall be appalled and perplexed at Cush, their hope,
and at Egypt, their boast.
6 In that day shall the inhabitants of this isle say, See what has become of those we looked up to, on whom we relied for help and deliverance from the king of Assyria! How shall we ourselves escape?

The nations of the world who rely on Egypt’s military might to protect them see their hopes dashed when Assyria ravishes Egypt and Cush (Upper Egypt): “Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help, relying on horses, putting their trust in immense numbers of chariots and vast forces of horsemen, but who do not look to the Holy One of Israel, nor inquire of Jehovah!” (Isaiah 31:1); “Pharaoh’s protection shall turn to your shame, shelter in Egypt’s shadow to embarrassment” (Isaiah 30:2).
Without Jehovah’s divine intervention, the great superpower the world so admired proves no match for Assyria.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Three Years’ Warning Followed by Judgment

God gives ample warning before cleansing the earth of wickedness—in the end-time as anciently. In Isaiah’s day, for example, God commands Isaiah to go naked and barefoot for three years as a portent of Assyria’s invasion of Egypt (Isaiah 20:2–4). (Not known for being politically correct by modern standards, God ever leaves room for doubters to spurn his warnings.) Similarly, God gives Moab, a kindred people, three years’ warning—“like the term of a lease”—before Moab’s glory turns to shame, its large populace perishes, and but few inhabitants remain (Isaiah 16:14).

Isaiah 16

13 These things Jehovah spoke hitherto about Moab.
14 But now Jehovah has said, Within three years, as the term of a lease, Moab’s glory shall become ignominy.
For all its large populace there shall be very few left, and those of no account.

Moab’s three-year lease of time in which to mend its ways applies to Greater Babylon in general.
In his long-suffering, Jehovah sends the world three years of warning through his servant before his Day of Judgment commences (Isaiah 20:1-6).
Then, in a long-awaited reversal of circumstances, Greater Babylon’s glory turns to ignominy while Zion’s ignominy turns to glory (Isaiah 47:1; 52:1-3).
Although Greater Babylon comprises a majority of the world’s population, it boasts of no righteous surviving remnant (Isaiah 13:19; 14:22; 21:9).
The few souls of Moab who remain alive aren’t noteworthy.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Fall time - before the harvest ? - Jehovah’s Day of Judgment

Isaiah 18

4 For thus said Jehovah to me:I will watch in silence over my dwelling place when the searing heat overtakes the reapers,
and when the rain clouds appear amid the fever of reaping.

In the same way a rainstorm spells disaster at a grain harvest, so Jehovah’s Day of Judgment
arrives at the worst moment: (1) literally at harvest time, depriving Jehovah’s unrepentant people of food; and (2) figuratively at Jehovah’s harvest of the wicked when they are least expecting it.

Jehovah’s informing his servant of the approaching calamity spells hope for those who heed his summons (v 3). Although Jehovah is a sanctuary for those who love him (Isaiah 8:14; 25:4-5),
he doesn’t hinder the searing heat—the archtyrant’s destruction—from overtaking the wicked (Isaiah 9:18-19; 33:14-16).

5 For before the harvest,when the time of flowering is past and the set blossoms are developing into young fruit,they will cut down the fruit-bearing twigs with knives and remove the new branches by slashing.
6 All shall be left to the birds of prey of the mountains and to the beasts of the land:the birds of prey will feed on them all summer and the beasts of the land all winter.

Before the fruit harvest—indicating the time of year—the enemy invades the land and despoils the orchards, leaving little that sustains life. While the land’s desolation by aliens and its overrunning by wildlife represent covenant curses, the birds of prey and beasts of the land additionally signify infestation by bands of marauders who seek subsistence wherever they can find it: “The whole land shall revert to wilderness” (Isaiah 7:24); “Hawks and falcons shall possess it, and owls and ravens inhabit it” (Isaiah 34:11); “All you wild beasts, you animals of the forest, come and devour!” (Isaiah 56:9).
I feel at the rate things are going this is the end of 3 years. What are your thoughts?