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tmac wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 1:00 pm Nobody is even attempting to say that Chase Allen is a hero — I’m certainly not. But since you’re a so-called “Law & Order” guy, you think the cops are heros for killing him for no good reason other than their own provocation?

Why did Chase Allen need to be a “problem” — just because of a silly license plate? Only to tyrants. And it gave them a great opportunity to send their primary message — that they love to kill SCs, and thin the ranks.

Except that I don't think they killed him for no good reason. They were defending themselves against a deadly threat, and handled their business. Like I've said here already multiple times: They had the authority to pull him over. They had the authority to detain and then arrest him. Chase was the one who initiated deadly force, not the cops. This is clear from the videos. Are they supposed to just let him kill them because he doesn't feel like being arrested for breaking the law or something?

I consider Chase a problem because he was not willing to comply with the laws. We can debate which laws should or shouldn't be. But anybody willing to pull a gun on someone like he did should not be in public anyway. It would have been better if he could have just been arrested, but that's not the path he chose.

Like I’ve said before, you do sound like a cop, and I sense that if you had been there you would have been glad to pull the trigger too. Maybe it’s you who ought to re-consider your heros.

And I sense that you're hallucinating.

Fred wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 12:44 pm There is NO law that says a vehicle has to be registered or carry a license plate. The Supreme Court has already ruled that rules, regulations, ordinances, and statutes are NOT laws. The cop should get the DEATH PENALTY for pulling the car over in the first place. CASE CLOSED

Do you register your cars, Fred?

h_p wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 1:48 pm

Fred wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 12:44 pm There is NO law that says a vehicle has to be registered or carry a license plate. The Supreme Court has already ruled that rules, regulations, ordinances, and statutes are NOT laws. The cop should get the DEATH PENALTY for pulling the car over in the first place. CASE CLOSED

Do you register your cars, Fred?

I got away with driving mine unregistered in St George for 15 months before a bored cop pulled me over.

I could have stood up for myself, but because of what we've already been through with the system, I know damn well how that goes. So I played the slightly-frazzled-super-busy-single-mom-with-a-special-needs-kid-in-my-car-card, so he would not impound my car and leave my son and me stranded where the desert meets the edge of town where we were, and ticket me, and impose a bunch of other fines, and cause my kid and me to go thru hell over a stupid rule that is as legal as mandating covid masks. (Not to mention what would happen if I actually ARGUED with him and risked going to jail or getting shot.)

I played the right card - he facepalmed and rolled his eyes at the silly dumb woman, and told me to go hurry and get it done ASAP so I don't have to go thru all the things he told me were on the table for not following that "rule".

I 100% believe if I would have stood up for myself the way I have a right to, something bad would have happened instead.

(P.S. I also have "police friendly" stickers - like support BYU (*barf*) on my car so when they drive behind me, I blend in and they don't think I'm one of those rowdy free-thinking citizens who value our RIGHTS! )

Citizens have to play these kinds of psycho games to protect ourselves from the overlords and their soldiers - just for an afternoon outing with our kid?
Serious Evil.

h_p wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 1:48 pm

Fred wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 12:44 pm There is NO law that says a vehicle has to be registered or carry a license plate. The Supreme Court has already ruled that rules, regulations, ordinances, and statutes are NOT laws. The cop should get the DEATH PENALTY for pulling the car over in the first place. CASE CLOSED

Do you register your cars, Fred?

I don't have any cars. All my trucks are 4wd.
But yes. Because there is constantly a gun to my head that says I will either comply with an illegal law or they will kill me. Anyone stupid enough to believe that cops know or obey the law, are morons. But people are about to the point where they are fed up. The time is not far when a badge will be a target. People already know that cops are dirty. So are the judges.

h_p wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 1:47 pm

tmac wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 1:00 pm Nobody is even attempting to say that Chase Allen is a hero — I’m certainly not. But since you’re a so-called “Law & Order” guy, you think the cops are heros for killing him for no good reason other than their own provocation?

Why did Chase Allen need to be a “problem” — just because of a silly license plate? Only to tyrants. And it gave them a great opportunity to send their primary message — that they love to kill SCs, and thin the ranks.

Except that I don't think they killed him for no good reason. They were defending themselves against a deadly threat, and handled their business. Like I've said here already multiple times: They had the authority to pull him over. They had the authority to detain and then arrest him. Chase was the one who initiated deadly force, not the cops. This is clear from the videos. Are they supposed to just let him kill them because he doesn't feel like being arrested for breaking the law or something?

I consider Chase a problem because he was not willing to comply with the laws. We can debate which laws should or shouldn't be. But anybody willing to pull a gun on someone like he did should not be in public anyway. It would have been better if he could have just been arrested, but that's not the path he chose.

Like I’ve said before, you do sound like a cop, and I sense that if you had been there you would have been glad to pull the trigger too. Maybe it’s you who ought to re-consider your heros.

And I sense that you're hallucinating.

Like I’ve said before, there is a growing body of law to the effect that when cops needlessly escalate and provoke someone like they did here, they are not on solid ground. But many cops are not sharp enough to distinguish between a situation posed by violation of a meaningless regulation and a situation that truly poses a threat to public safety. In this case, they exercised tyranny to stoke fear, to escalate and provoke a deadly situation.

It’s not that unlike a situation I mentioned earlier — a hero cop with an ax to grind, so he chased down a drunken Indian and tried to arrest him. The Indian had not violated any law(s), but the cop was determined to take him down a notch or two anyway, just for good measure (much like the cops in this case) so he made an attempted tackle, which provoked the Indian, and it turned into a wrestling match. Although the cop provoked and escalated the whole situation, when the Indian exercised legitimate self defense and grabbed the cop by the throat, the cop said he was afraid for his life so he pulled his gun, stuck it in the Indian’s ribs, and shot and killed him.

Because of all of this, and obvious continued LE abuse of power, eventually something is going to have to give, and the tide will start turning back the other way.

I didn’t feel this way 20 years ago either. Like you, I could only see one side of the equation. But at this point I’ve just seen way too much, so now I try to look at the whole picture, including from about 30,000’ out, which helps to bring it all into realistic perspective.

Reset coming.

Much different than the one they are expecting.
Sir H

tmac wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 2:53 pm Like you, I could only see one side of the equation.

You really don't know a thing about me, so you're just imagining things about me to put me down. And this conversation is getting repetitive and boring, so yall have fun. And good luck shooting cops, everybody. Hope it works out for you.

h_p wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 3:14 pm

tmac wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 2:53 pm Like you, I could only see one side of the equation.

You really don't know a thing about me, so you're just imagining things about me to put me down. And this conversation is getting repetitive and boring, so yall have fun. And good luck shooting cops, everybody. Hope it works out for you.

We know what you’ve been telling us. We’ve been listening and paying attention. I have never advocated shooting cops. If you’ve gotten that out of anything I’ve said, obviously you aren’t listening or paying attention. I’m sorry if you consider that a put-down.

Cops are the gun of the gov. The gov makes a point to hire cops who are hyped up on roids: https://search.brave.com/search?q=why+a ... source=web

Cops that are hyped up on roids with a license to kill + non-compliant persons is always going to be a trainwreck:




I got pulled over one time in box elder county for failure to stop at a stop sign. I had stopped, then rolled forward to get a better view of the highway before I pulled out. He claimed I didn't stop. I said I did stop, then rolled forward as I couldn't get a good view before proceeding. He said, "yeah, you did a stop and roll.." I interrupted him and said, "so you are admitting I stopped? because that's the law, and I followed it." OOOOO! he didn't like that. Told me I was being a smartA%%.

I was like, "whatever. I'll take it to the court. I have witnesses here in the car." So he verbally abused me some more, and ended up not even giving me a warning. Checked his computer to see if he could get me for anything else, but he couldn't. probably ended up at the target range shooting pictures of me and flexing his biceps and crying because his wife left him after he beat her up one too many times.


Another time, I broke up a fight at a school I was teaching at - saw a student get up and walk towards another student and start to take a swing at him. I had already seen what was going to happen and stopped the bully mid-swing. I ended up pinning him up against a wall while another teacher called security. Of course, all the students whipped out their cell phones, trying to show a white teacher "beating up" a black student. because I guess I'm so racist that I stopped a black kid from beating up another black kid, lol. Cops came to talk to me that afternoon, telling me they had overheard parents issuing death threats against "that white teacher", and also that they (the parents) knew where I lived, and to watch my back.

I was like, "did you arrest those parents?"
"No."
"so they weren't credible threats?"
"well...."[gets really uncomfortable]"....we think they are credible..."
"so you're going to step up patrols in my neighborhood?"
And the cop actually laughed - "sir, we're not bodyguards..."
"but it says on your car - 'Serve and protect'...if you're not serving or protecting, what's your point?"
he stopped laughing at that point - "I'm just telling you to be careful."

That's when I decided cops are just there to kill you if you step out of line, or do the paperwork if you get shot. Seriously, what was the point of pulling that kid out of his car? Just to show him? They seriously could've handled this differently if they weren't Roid Thugs. But this is what your gov wants in a cop: A bully roid thug. They screen for it. I don't know any Barny Fife cops anymore. Folks wouldn't hate cops so much if they acted more like firemen and stayed in their station until they were needed. At least firemen actually put out the fire. Cops just show up to do the paperwork and flex their biceps.

FoxMammaWisdom wrote: ↑March 11th, 2023, 2:13 pm (P.S. I also have "police friendly" stickers - like support BYU (*barf*) on my car

yes. good. yes.

Be the gray (wo)man!