Did Russell M Nelson Give Possession of His Priesthood Keys to Pope Francis?

[endlessQuestions]

Considering what Rob Fotheringham just asked us to do in his excellently documented video, I find this very interesting:

Two months later, Heber C. Kimball, counselor in the First
Presidency responsible for endowments, instructed bishops that
they should recommend for endowment candidates who

"pay their tithing from year to year; . . . pray in their families, and do not
speak against the authorities of the Church and kingdom of God; nor
steal; nor lie; nor interfere with their neighbors' things; nor their neighbors' wives or husbands; . . . attend strictly to meetings and prayer
meetings, . . . pay due respect to their presiding officers, and .. . do not
swear.
We shall expect you to pick up the old and infirm, the lame halt and
blind and the righteous poor, but not the devil's poor.
We would like to see many . . . sprightly young persons, who are
strict to obey their parents."

Interesting priorities you got there, Heber.

Something on your mind?

[Reluctant Watchman]

We shall expect you to pick up the old and infirm, the lame halt and
blind and the righteous poor, but not the devil's poor.
We would like to see many . . . sprightly young persons, who are
strict to obey their parents."

I'm pretty sure the Lord made no such distinction. In fact, he went out of his way to be associated with the sinners.

[HVDC]

March 2019 - President Nelson visits with the pope.

October 2019 - President Nelson changes the temple recommend questions, which now indicate he no longer possesses the keys.

Thoughts?

Maybe he gave them to Sister Dew.

She looks like she could be very persuasive.

Sir H

[CaptainM]

Maybe the keys to Utah State Mental Hospital in Provo.

He has no so-called keys anyway.

[Niemand]

March 2019 - President Nelson visits with the pope.

October 2019 - President Nelson changes the temple recommend questions, which now indicate he no longer possesses the keys.

Thoughts?

Maybe he gave them to Sister Dew.

She looks like she could be very persuasive.

Sir H

Rocky Mountain Dew

[Christianlee]

March 2019 - President Nelson visits with the pope.

October 2019 - President Nelson changes the temple recommend questions, which now indicate he no longer possesses the keys.

Thoughts?

Would Pope Francis want them? The Pope welcomes religious leaders of many kinds as a matter of courtesy. RMN wanted the photo op with the Pope.

[Shawn Henry]

The 12 never had Melchizedek priesthood keys.

The fulness of the priesthood was taken in 1834. The 12 were ordained in 1835 as apostles of The Church of Latter Day Saints, no longer the Church of Christ that had the fulness.

1835 began the era of Patriarchal Priesthood.

[GeeR]

March 2019 - President Nelson visits with the pope.

October 2019 - President Nelson changes the temple recommend questions, which now indicate he no longer possesses the keys.

Thoughts?

Would Pope Francis want them? The Pope welcomes religious leaders of many kinds as a matter of courtesy. RMN wanted the photo op with the Pope.

Super interesting question! It reminded me of a post I made on this forum on March 27, 2019 when the church was building a temple in Rome and seemed to be having a love affair with Pope Francis but makes endlessQuestions question about Pope Francis receiving the keys from Nelson a distinct possibility. Here it is:

I predict that President Nelson words about "This is a hinge point in the history of the church. Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part," "The church is going to have an unprecedented future, unparalleled; we're just building up to what's ahead now." I predict these words are not positive words of prophesy but negative words apostasy in the LDS church. Look at how President Nelson and Russell M. Ballard oozed with praise of Pope Francis as “Holy Father” and although “we have doctrinal differences the things we have in common are more important” I just wonder if President Nelson kissed the ring of the Pope and exchanged the Luciferian handgrip. Yes, the overkill of how wonderful Pope Francis is, was nauseating to me, like an inch of rich frosting on a humble cake.

I’ve been keeping tabs on Pope Francis the last few years and he is in a precipitous decline as a Pope when compared to all other Popes. He’s changed the Eucharist and allowed it to be administered by clowns—literally. He has said: “there is no hell,” and when asked about the rightness or wrongness of homosexuality he responded—“who am I to judge.” Then he is quoted to have said that “Christ was a sinner” and that “his mission was a failure, because he ended up dead on the cross.” He has also said “it is dangerous to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ outside the context of the church.” Then he introduced the Tango into the liturgy, no kidding people dancing at mass. He has allowed homosexuals and pedophiles to serve as cardinals and bishops. The orthodox members of the Catholic Church are at their wits end as to how to get rid of Pope Francis, there is no protocol in their church on how to get rid of a renegade Pope. Carlo Vigano was a high ranking church official, only 3rd from the Pope himself, and recently demanded Pope Francis resign for all the corruption that fills the Catholic Church “from top to bottom.” Now Vigano has gone into hiding for fear of his life. In this context we have the LDS leadership show up heaping loads and loads of flattery on “his Holiness.” Does anyone see something wrong with this picture. Are you prepared to be absorbed into this vortex via interfaith projects and the ecumenical goal of building bridges and finding common ground with the Devil.
A few years ago I happened upon a short newspaper article that said the Pope Francis was baptized into the Mormon Church. Luckily, I copied it and you can read it below:

VATICAN CITY— In the wake of the worldwide colloquium on the family hosted by the Catholic Church in the Vatican City, religious leaders from all over the world have gathered together to discuss issues regarding marriage and the family.
In attendance is first counselor in the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints, President Henry B. Eyring, as well as other notable LDS leaders.
Reports are slowly coming in that shed light on the interesting work happening there. Papal spokesman, Dion Algerri stated in a press release, “We are neither confirming nor denying the conversion of Pope Francis to the Mormon Church.”
Senior PR officials for the LDS Church in Salt Lake have confirmed the baptism. “When Brother Francis met President Eyring the two of them hit it off quite nicely. They immediately bonded over their love of traditional family values, Jesus Christ, and their shared haircut.”
President Eyring’s snapchat story shows the two taking a selfie, with the word “#twinners” posted across it.
Brigham Smith Young McKay, another PR official for the Church continued by saying, “The two immediately felt a connection. Brother Francis came to President Eyring’s room where Elder Perry shared the first three discussions. After hearing the truth of the restored gospel, Brother Francis demanded to be baptized immediately.”
“We had to find the closest meeting house in Rome for do the actual baptism”, said Bishop Gérald Caussé. “All of the fonts in St. Peter’s Basilica are made for infants, not grown men!”
It is still not known if Pope Brother Francis will encourage the rest of the world’s Catholics to join the LDS church. President Monson said that all would be welcome, and reiterated the well known truth that Catholics make great Mormons. https://millennialmormon.com/breaking-p ... y-apostle/

Yesterday I went to the link posted for this story and it said the page I wanted has been removed or did not exist. Anyway a few years ago when I first encountered this story I thought it was a hoax so I just squirreled it away and didn’t mention it to anyone. But recently with all the hoopla about the new temple being dedicated in Rome and with all the flattering words President Nelson and Elder Ballard has directed toward Pope Francis, this story has come to the forefront of my mind and I’ve had some thoughts regarding it.

The baptism of Pope Francis into the Mormon Church reeks of a quid-quo-pro arrangement where the Pope is baptized into the Mormon Church with the expectation that since he joined the Mormon Church Pope Francis expects the Mormon leadership to return the favor by joining in the ecumenical movement of the Catholic Church. I think this scenario has been in the planning stages for a number of years because before July 30, 2012 when the ground breaking ceremony for the temple occurred, the Italian government and the Vatican State recognized the Mormon Church as only a “charitable institution” but after that date they were upgraded by these governmental entities and officially recognized as a bona-fide “religious denomination.”

Like I said when I first read this story I initially thought it was a hoax, now I’m not sure because there are pieces of facts interspersed throughout the story, for example, the silent 800 lb. gorilla in the room present—ecumenicalism. Another example is secrecy, secrecy is the hallmark of Satan and if this is not a hoax then this event is indeed secret. Then there is the typical obfuscation indicative of all white-color crime where the article says a Vatican spokesman “neither confirms nor denies the conversion of Pope Francis into the Mormon Church.” Gee, if such an earthshaking event was not true and you wanted to distance yourself from the leprosy of Mormonism you certainly wouldn’t vacillate on whether a rumor this big was true or not. It’s a crystal clear issue, either it happened or it didn’t—no maybe about it!

It’s at least an open question. Is the Pope’s baptism into the Mormon Church payment in exchange for L.D.S. leadership cooperation to play an active role in the Pope’s ecumenical agenda? Or how about an official church endorsement for ecumenicalism, who could possibly be against—unity? Is this what President Russell M. Nelson meant when he told members to “hold on to their hats, get your rest and take your vitamins because things are about to get exciting?”
If the Mormon Church joins the ecumenical movement of the Catholic Church, which could be announced this coming General Conference, then it proves this church is just another harlot daughter to the Great Whore described in the Book of Revelation. If this event turns out to be the case then it follows that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is no longer the only true church on the face of the earth and church laity has been hoodwinked by the clergy into believing the lie that the prophet cannot lead the church astray!

If the above prediction happens it suggests that the thesis of the whistle-blower named “one who is watching” (his internet name) is likely true. His thesis is that the restoration of Christ church is future, not past. So there is no need to give up our hope.
https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/

viewtopic.php?p=922315&hilit=squirreled#p922315

[Wolfwoman]

March 2019 - President Nelson visits with the pope.

October 2019 - President Nelson changes the temple recommend questions, which now indicate he no longer possesses the keys.

Thoughts?

Would Pope Francis want them? The Pope welcomes religious leaders of many kinds as a matter of courtesy. RMN wanted the photo op with the Pope.

Super interesting question! It reminded me of a post I made on this forum on March 27, 2019 when the church was building a temple in Rome and seemed to be having a love affair with Pope Francis but makes endlessQuestions question about Pope Francis receiving the keys from Nelson a distinct possibility. Here it is:

I predict that President Nelson words about "This is a hinge point in the history of the church. Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part," "The church is going to have an unprecedented future, unparalleled; we're just building up to what's ahead now." I predict these words are not positive words of prophesy but negative words apostasy in the LDS church. Look at how President Nelson and Russell M. Ballard oozed with praise of Pope Francis as “Holy Father” and although “we have doctrinal differences the things we have in common are more important” I just wonder if President Nelson kissed the ring of the Pope and exchanged the Luciferian handgrip. Yes, the overkill of how wonderful Pope Francis is, was nauseating to me, like an inch of rich frosting on a humble cake.

I’ve been keeping tabs on Pope Francis the last few years and he is in a precipitous decline as a Pope when compared to all other Popes. He’s changed the Eucharist and allowed it to be administered by clowns—literally. He has said: “there is no hell,” and when asked about the rightness or wrongness of homosexuality he responded—“who am I to judge.” Then he is quoted to have said that “Christ was a sinner” and that “his mission was a failure, because he ended up dead on the cross.” He has also said “it is dangerous to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ outside the context of the church.” Then he introduced the Tango into the liturgy, no kidding people dancing at mass. He has allowed homosexuals and pedophiles to serve as cardinals and bishops. The orthodox members of the Catholic Church are at their wits end as to how to get rid of Pope Francis, there is no protocol in their church on how to get rid of a renegade Pope. Carlo Vigano was a high ranking church official, only 3rd from the Pope himself, and recently demanded Pope Francis resign for all the corruption that fills the Catholic Church “from top to bottom.” Now Vigano has gone into hiding for fear of his life. In this context we have the LDS leadership show up heaping loads and loads of flattery on “his Holiness.” Does anyone see something wrong with this picture. Are you prepared to be absorbed into this vortex via interfaith projects and the ecumenical goal of building bridges and finding common ground with the Devil.
A few years ago I happened upon a short newspaper article that said the Pope Francis was baptized into the Mormon Church. Luckily, I copied it and you can read it below:

VATICAN CITY— In the wake of the worldwide colloquium on the family hosted by the Catholic Church in the Vatican City, religious leaders from all over the world have gathered together to discuss issues regarding marriage and the family.
In attendance is first counselor in the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints, President Henry B. Eyring, as well as other notable LDS leaders.
Reports are slowly coming in that shed light on the interesting work happening there. Papal spokesman, Dion Algerri stated in a press release, “We are neither confirming nor denying the conversion of Pope Francis to the Mormon Church.”
Senior PR officials for the LDS Church in Salt Lake have confirmed the baptism. “When Brother Francis met President Eyring the two of them hit it off quite nicely. They immediately bonded over their love of traditional family values, Jesus Christ, and their shared haircut.”
President Eyring’s snapchat story shows the two taking a selfie, with the word “#twinners” posted across it.
Brigham Smith Young McKay, another PR official for the Church continued by saying, “The two immediately felt a connection. Brother Francis came to President Eyring’s room where Elder Perry shared the first three discussions. After hearing the truth of the restored gospel, Brother Francis demanded to be baptized immediately.”
“We had to find the closest meeting house in Rome for do the actual baptism”, said Bishop Gérald Caussé. “All of the fonts in St. Peter’s Basilica are made for infants, not grown men!”
It is still not known if Pope Brother Francis will encourage the rest of the world’s Catholics to join the LDS church. President Monson said that all would be welcome, and reiterated the well known truth that Catholics make great Mormons. https://millennialmormon.com/breaking-p ... y-apostle/

Yesterday I went to the link posted for this story and it said the page I wanted has been removed or did not exist. Anyway a few years ago when I first encountered this story I thought it was a hoax so I just squirreled it away and didn’t mention it to anyone. But recently with all the hoopla about the new temple being dedicated in Rome and with all the flattering words President Nelson and Elder Ballard has directed toward Pope Francis, this story has come to the forefront of my mind and I’ve had some thoughts regarding it.

The baptism of Pope Francis into the Mormon Church reeks of a quid-quo-pro arrangement where the Pope is baptized into the Mormon Church with the expectation that since he joined the Mormon Church Pope Francis expects the Mormon leadership to return the favor by joining in the ecumenical movement of the Catholic Church. I think this scenario has been in the planning stages for a number of years because before July 30, 2012 when the ground breaking ceremony for the temple occurred, the Italian government and the Vatican State recognized the Mormon Church as only a “charitable institution” but after that date they were upgraded by these governmental entities and officially recognized as a bona-fide “religious denomination.”

Like I said when I first read this story I initially thought it was a hoax, now I’m not sure because there are pieces of facts interspersed throughout the story, for example, the silent 800 lb. gorilla in the room present—ecumenicalism. Another example is secrecy, secrecy is the hallmark of Satan and if this is not a hoax then this event is indeed secret. Then there is the typical obfuscation indicative of all white-color crime where the article says a Vatican spokesman “neither confirms nor denies the conversion of Pope Francis into the Mormon Church.” Gee, if such an earthshaking event was not true and you wanted to distance yourself from the leprosy of Mormonism you certainly wouldn’t vacillate on whether a rumor this big was true or not. It’s a crystal clear issue, either it happened or it didn’t—no maybe about it!

It’s at least an open question. Is the Pope’s baptism into the Mormon Church payment in exchange for L.D.S. leadership cooperation to play an active role in the Pope’s ecumenical agenda? Or how about an official church endorsement for ecumenicalism, who could possibly be against—unity? Is this what President Russell M. Nelson meant when he told members to “hold on to their hats, get your rest and take your vitamins because things are about to get exciting?”
If the Mormon Church joins the ecumenical movement of the Catholic Church, which could be announced this coming General Conference, then it proves this church is just another harlot daughter to the Great Whore described in the Book of Revelation. If this event turns out to be the case then it follows that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is no longer the only true church on the face of the earth and church laity has been hoodwinked by the clergy into believing the lie that the prophet cannot lead the church astray!

If the above prediction happens it suggests that the thesis of the whistle-blower named “one who is watching” (his internet name) is likely true. His thesis is that the restoration of Christ church is future, not past. So there is no need to give up our hope.
https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/

viewtopic.php?p=922315&hilit=squirreled#p922315

I’d say that story is more satire than a hoax. Funny! It’s interesting what he said about the hinge point though.

[Christianlee]

A lot of conservative Catholics I know think Pope Francis is the predicted anti-Pope to appear just before the Second Coming. He is the last person RMN should be cozying up to.

[Wolfwoman]

Technically all of the 15 possess the keys.

Yup, this is what I was going to say.

It doesn’t say he’s the only one to possess all the keys because all of the 12 and fp possess all the keys. That’s an important piece to the succession process.

Then why was the question phrased the way it was for all those years?

And what revelation changed that?

And when was it presented to the body of Christ for a ratifying vote?

Come to think of it, when did the body of Christ consent to the use of these temple recommend questions, anyway?

And when did the Lord reveal that they should be the questions asked so that gatekeepers could be placed between us and the House of the Lord?

All good questions.

RMN seems to be a mover and a shaker. Not afraid to change things up, especially if he thinks we’ve been doing something incorrectly. So, he makes sure we use the full name of the church. He sees an error in the temple recommend questions and he fixes that. And so on.

[TheDuke]

You can argue all you want about whether or not the keys exist, kick against the pricks, it is after all your right in this Telestial sphere. HOWEVER, the wording change is quite obvious. It was previously misleading in saying only the one man had the keys, when all of Q15 have the keys. Only the one man as president has the right to use them all. Sealing is a good example. Only the president has right to use the keys of sealing and appoint sealers. The other 14 or so have the keys but not the right to exercise them.

You may agree or disagree on the keys but that principle has been what has been taught since BY. And really the new sentence structure corrects improper wording.

Thanks AGAIN ENDLESS, you poking at smoke surely is. But, I feel it will be rewarded but not by me. I have a hard time even comprehending where you get your logic flows from? But, to each their own.

Eventually they toes will hurt, perhaps in the next life, but keep on kicking.

[GeeR]

March 2019 - President Nelson visits with the pope.

October 2019 - President Nelson changes the temple recommend questions, which now indicate he no longer possesses the keys.

Thoughts?

Would Pope Francis want them? The Pope welcomes religious leaders of many kinds as a matter of courtesy. RMN wanted the photo op with the Pope.

Super interesting question! It reminded me of a post I made on this forum on March 27, 2019 when the church was building a temple in Rome and seemed to be having a love affair with Pope Francis but makes endlessQuestions question about Pope Francis receiving the keys from Nelson a distinct possibility. Here it is:

I predict that President Nelson words about "This is a hinge point in the history of the church. Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part," "The church is going to have an unprecedented future, unparalleled; we're just building up to what's ahead now." I predict these words are not positive words of prophesy but negative words apostasy in the LDS church. Look at how President Nelson and Russell M. Ballard oozed with praise of Pope Francis as “Holy Father” and although “we have doctrinal differences the things we have in common are more important” I just wonder if President Nelson kissed the ring of the Pope and exchanged the Luciferian handgrip. Yes, the overkill of how wonderful Pope Francis is, was nauseating to me, like an inch of rich frosting on a humble cake.

I’ve been keeping tabs on Pope Francis the last few years and he is in a precipitous decline as a Pope when compared to all other Popes. He’s changed the Eucharist and allowed it to be administered by clowns—literally. He has said: “there is no hell,” and when asked about the rightness or wrongness of homosexuality he responded—“who am I to judge.” Then he is quoted to have said that “Christ was a sinner” and that “his mission was a failure, because he ended up dead on the cross.” He has also said “it is dangerous to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ outside the context of the church.” Then he introduced the Tango into the liturgy, no kidding people dancing at mass. He has allowed homosexuals and pedophiles to serve as cardinals and bishops. The orthodox members of the Catholic Church are at their wits end as to how to get rid of Pope Francis, there is no protocol in their church on how to get rid of a renegade Pope. Carlo Vigano was a high ranking church official, only 3rd from the Pope himself, and recently demanded Pope Francis resign for all the corruption that fills the Catholic Church “from top to bottom.” Now Vigano has gone into hiding for fear of his life. In this context we have the LDS leadership show up heaping loads and loads of flattery on “his Holiness.” Does anyone see something wrong with this picture. Are you prepared to be absorbed into this vortex via interfaith projects and the ecumenical goal of building bridges and finding common ground with the Devil.
A few years ago I happened upon a short newspaper article that said the Pope Francis was baptized into the Mormon Church. Luckily, I copied it and you can read it below:

VATICAN CITY— In the wake of the worldwide colloquium on the family hosted by the Catholic Church in the Vatican City, religious leaders from all over the world have gathered together to discuss issues regarding marriage and the family.
In attendance is first counselor in the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints, President Henry B. Eyring, as well as other notable LDS leaders.
Reports are slowly coming in that shed light on the interesting work happening there. Papal spokesman, Dion Algerri stated in a press release, “We are neither confirming nor denying the conversion of Pope Francis to the Mormon Church.”
Senior PR officials for the LDS Church in Salt Lake have confirmed the baptism. “When Brother Francis met President Eyring the two of them hit it off quite nicely. They immediately bonded over their love of traditional family values, Jesus Christ, and their shared haircut.”
President Eyring’s snapchat story shows the two taking a selfie, with the word “#twinners” posted across it.
Brigham Smith Young McKay, another PR official for the Church continued by saying, “The two immediately felt a connection. Brother Francis came to President Eyring’s room where Elder Perry shared the first three discussions. After hearing the truth of the restored gospel, Brother Francis demanded to be baptized immediately.”
“We had to find the closest meeting house in Rome for do the actual baptism”, said Bishop Gérald Caussé. “All of the fonts in St. Peter’s Basilica are made for infants, not grown men!”
It is still not known if Pope Brother Francis will encourage the rest of the world’s Catholics to join the LDS church. President Monson said that all would be welcome, and reiterated the well known truth that Catholics make great Mormons. https://millennialmormon.com/breaking-p ... y-apostle/

Yesterday I went to the link posted for this story and it said the page I wanted has been removed or did not exist. Anyway a few years ago when I first encountered this story I thought it was a hoax so I just squirreled it away and didn’t mention it to anyone. But recently with all the hoopla about the new temple being dedicated in Rome and with all the flattering words President Nelson and Elder Ballard has directed toward Pope Francis, this story has come to the forefront of my mind and I’ve had some thoughts regarding it.

The baptism of Pope Francis into the Mormon Church reeks of a quid-quo-pro arrangement where the Pope is baptized into the Mormon Church with the expectation that since he joined the Mormon Church Pope Francis expects the Mormon leadership to return the favor by joining in the ecumenical movement of the Catholic Church. I think this scenario has been in the planning stages for a number of years because before July 30, 2012 when the ground breaking ceremony for the temple occurred, the Italian government and the Vatican State recognized the Mormon Church as only a “charitable institution” but after that date they were upgraded by these governmental entities and officially recognized as a bona-fide “religious denomination.”

Like I said when I first read this story I initially thought it was a hoax, now I’m not sure because there are pieces of facts interspersed throughout the story, for example, the silent 800 lb. gorilla in the room present—ecumenicalism. Another example is secrecy, secrecy is the hallmark of Satan and if this is not a hoax then this event is indeed secret. Then there is the typical obfuscation indicative of all white-color crime where the article says a Vatican spokesman “neither confirms nor denies the conversion of Pope Francis into the Mormon Church.” Gee, if such an earthshaking event was not true and you wanted to distance yourself from the leprosy of Mormonism you certainly wouldn’t vacillate on whether a rumor this big was true or not. It’s a crystal clear issue, either it happened or it didn’t—no maybe about it!

It’s at least an open question. Is the Pope’s baptism into the Mormon Church payment in exchange for L.D.S. leadership cooperation to play an active role in the Pope’s ecumenical agenda? Or how about an official church endorsement for ecumenicalism, who could possibly be against—unity? Is this what President Russell M. Nelson meant when he told members to “hold on to their hats, get your rest and take your vitamins because things are about to get exciting?”
If the Mormon Church joins the ecumenical movement of the Catholic Church, which could be announced this coming General Conference, then it proves this church is just another harlot daughter to the Great Whore described in the Book of Revelation. If this event turns out to be the case then it follows that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is no longer the only true church on the face of the earth and church laity has been hoodwinked by the clergy into believing the lie that the prophet cannot lead the church astray!

If the above prediction happens it suggests that the thesis of the whistle-blower named “one who is watching” (his internet name) is likely true. His thesis is that the restoration of Christ church is future, not past. So there is no need to give up our hope.
https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/

viewtopic.php?p=922315&hilit=squirreled#p922315

I’d say that story is more satire than a hoax. Funny! It’s interesting what he said about the hinge point though.

The more I think about it and dwell on it, it probably wasn't a hoax, I believe the story was withdrawn at the last moment, because back at that time there was another web-site that mentioned Francis' baptism into the Mormon Church as well as all the hobnobbing he did with an array of Evangelicals. I just look for that site but cannot find it at this time but I do remember seeing it . Besides this is found on the internet now and it says: "These encounters with Pentecostals illustrate that Pope Francis practices ecumenism through relationships, personal encounters, and ecumenical gestures. He engages in the spiritual ecumenism of prayer, conversion, and repentance."
https://epublications.marquette.edu/cgi ... repentance.

I also remember he had the Catholic laity upset because he was kissing-up to the Lutherns by having a special Vatican State stamp made up with Martin Luther on it celebrating the man who traditional Catholics consider a heretic. Shortly thereafter Pope Francis through the Luthern church a bone by declaring that we are all saved by "grace" and now we are at the unity of the faith--now we are all Catholics! Kenneth Copeland invited a representative of Pope Francis named Tony Palmer to address the leaders of Copelands church and pronounce that the "Protest" is over, now they belong to the universal church and are now all Lutherns are Catholic as it was in the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PSV72Tjy8g

[endlessQuestions]

You can argue all you want about whether or not the keys exist, kick against the pricks, it is after all your right in this Telestial sphere. HOWEVER, the wording change is quite obvious. It was previously misleading in saying only the one man had the keys, when all of Q15 have the keys. Only the one man as president has the right to use them all. Sealing is a good example. Only the president has right to use the keys of sealing and appoint sealers. The other 14 or so have the keys but not the right to exercise them.

You may agree or disagree on the keys but that principle has been what has been taught since BY. And really the new sentence structure corrects improper wording.

Thanks AGAIN ENDLESS, you poking at smoke surely is. But, I feel it will be rewarded but not by me. I have a hard time even comprehending where you get your logic flows from? But, to each their own.

Eventually they toes will hurt, perhaps in the next life, but keep on kicking.

I image that Russell M. Nelson is grateful to have The Duke to do his job for him while he whines and dines the railroad and sugar barons at the Alta Club, goes to Disneyworld and gets special treatment, and enjoys his limousine rides.

I don't doubt you have a hard time comprehending my arguments, based on the fact that you were a soldier who was willing to kill upon orders you didn't understand or necessarily agree with (not saying you did it, just that you have stated you would have been willing to do so), a government employee who worked with three letter agencies, and a man who feels like a good role model is The Duke - the man who pulled Maureen O'Hara over his knee and spanked her in front of all the world. My arguments must be terribly confusing for someone with your mindset. Oh, and you never answered my question - are you a member of one of these fraternal orders - maybe even Sigma Chi itself? I'd really like to know.

I'll let people judge for themselves whose logic is more sound. That's their right.

Have a great day!

[endlessQuestions]

Technically all of the 15 possess the keys.

Yup, this is what I was going to say.

It doesn’t say he’s the only one to possess all the keys because all of the 12 and fp possess all the keys. That’s an important piece to the succession process.

Then why was the question phrased the way it was for all those years?

And what revelation changed that?

And when was it presented to the body of Christ for a ratifying vote?

Come to think of it, when did the body of Christ consent to the use of these temple recommend questions, anyway?

And when did the Lord reveal that they should be the questions asked so that gatekeepers could be placed between us and the House of the Lord?

All good questions.

RMN seems to be a mover and a shaker. Not afraid to change things up, especially if he thinks we’ve been doing something incorrectly. So, he makes sure we use the full name of the church. He sees an error in the temple recommend questions and he fixes that. And so on.

Without sharing his reasoning.

Showing us his logic.

Claiming any revelation.

Not acceptable, in my opinion.

But it's just my opinion.

Thanks for your, as always, thoughtful replies.

[Niemand]

Francis is barely aware of Russell M. Nelson and isn't that impressed by him judging by the pictures. He is more interested in swallowing up the Orthodox churches. That baptism article is obvious satire.

Martin Luther funnily enough was a Roman Catholic and seems to have wanted to reform the Roman church rather than starting his own. History intervened. He was a complex and contradictory character but I believe he was a tool in the hands of God.

[TheDuke]

You can argue all you want about whether or not the keys exist, kick against the pricks, it is after all your right in this Telestial sphere. HOWEVER, the wording change is quite obvious. It was previously misleading in saying only the one man had the keys, when all of Q15 have the keys. Only the one man as president has the right to use them all. Sealing is a good example. Only the president has right to use the keys of sealing and appoint sealers. The other 14 or so have the keys but not the right to exercise them.

You may agree or disagree on the keys but that principle has been what has been taught since BY. And really the new sentence structure corrects improper wording.

Thanks AGAIN ENDLESS, you poking at smoke surely is. But, I feel it will be rewarded but not by me. I have a hard time even comprehending where you get your logic flows from? But, to each their own.

Eventually they toes will hurt, perhaps in the next life, but keep on kicking.

I image that Russell M. Nelson is grateful to have The Duke to do his job for him while he whines and dines the railroad and sugar barons at the Alta Club, goes to Disneyworld and gets special treatment, and enjoys his limousine rides.

I don't doubt you have a hard time comprehending my arguments, based on the fact that you were a soldier who was willing to kill upon orders you didn't understand or necessarily agree with (not saying you did it, just that you have stated you would have been willing to do so), a government employee who worked with three letter agencies, and a man who feels like a good role model is The Duke - the man who pulled Maureen O'Hara over his knee and spanked her in front of all the world. My arguments must be terribly confusing for someone with your mindset. Oh, and you never answered my question - are you a member of one of these fraternal orders - maybe even Sigma Chi itself? I'd really like to know.

I'll let people judge for themselves whose logic is more sound. That's their right.

Have a great day!

I am retired. I'm not a member of any organization or have aligned myself with anything that requires anything of me other than the gospel of Christ and being in LDS FF. I'm offended by your thoughts that I'm bought and sold! I laugh that you think I carry RMN's water! I've never been in a fraternity, nor am I a TBM. but, I am one that is steeped in logic and can pride myself in following solid logic paths. That's my primary gift and what I parlayed into a profession, solving and analyzing complex logic paths and weaker or less durable or measurable logic. could have been a lawyer if I didn't despise them so much (got darned family full of them now). I see weaknesses in your claims. I see prejudice in your logic. that is what I see. I say something that is direct and you want to twist it with something down a sideways path. The whole fraternities damn people statement is unfounded, whether or not you believe it, it is unfounded as a gospel principle and never a gospel doctrine and twisting scriptures or narratives (like the rest of the unaccepting liberals in conservative sheep outfits) does not make the logic true.

Now I will give you that many gospel truths cannot be seen in logic alone. No, many of the deep principles can only be understood by faith and through the spirit. However, in the end, after the mysteries are comprehended, they are again logical. Then you will not have to fight against half truths but will be able to exclaim the greatest truth of all "that all truth may be circumscribed into one great whole". Until then you are just putting the little lego pieces together and forming substructures.

[HVDC]

Technically all of the 15 possess the keys.

Yup, this is what I was going to say.

It doesn’t say he’s the only one to possess all the keys because all of the 12 and fp possess all the keys. That’s an important piece to the succession process.

Then why was the question phrased the way it was for all those years?

And what revelation changed that?

And when was it presented to the body of Christ for a ratifying vote?

Come to think of it, when did the body of Christ consent to the use of these temple recommend questions, anyway?

And when did the Lord reveal that they should be the questions asked so that gatekeepers could be placed between us and the House of the Lord?

All good questions.

RMN seems to be a mover and a shaker. Not afraid to change things up, especially if he thinks we’ve been doing something incorrectly. So, he makes sure we use the full name of the church. He sees an error in the temple recommend questions and he fixes that. And so on.

Yes.

Zealots are like that.

Can be a good trait.

Can be a bad one as well.

One thing is for sure.

Like it or not.

He is an effective leader.

Like George Washington.

And Hitler.

Two different results though.

Which one do we get?

Only time will tell.

Not bored.

Sir H

[Being There]

March 2019 - President Nelson visits with the pope.

October 2019 - President Nelson changes the temple recommend questions, which now indicate he no longer possesses the keys.

Thoughts?

Did Russell M Nelson Give Possession of His Priesthood Keys to Pope Francis?

what do you mean.
He NEVER had any to give. lol.