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[email protected] wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 4:52 pm Story time folks:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/us/earth ... index.html

It's been 3 years almost to the day since this occurred. I don't know if this was a sign from God or not, but I will say it was an incredible coincidence. Especially since 3/18 was the day they closed the schools in my state (Washington) and that began the scary run on the grocery stores so for me, that was the day the pandemic truly began. Around the same time, the "non-essential" businesses began being shutdown by the government, and this included churches. Little did I know, the preceding Sunday would be the last time I would attend church. I had been undergoing a faith crisis for over a year, pretty much since the 2019 endowment changes, but I was still a largely a faithful member and attended every week with my family. I felt the government was being heavy handed but it didn't dawn on me the whole thing was largely a farce, a government power and money grab, until the George Floyd protests that began in May and continued right up until about November. This whole time the Church did not speak out against the government overreach, did not speak out against the lawlessness promoted by groups like BLM, did not speak out against massive government corruption or cultural decline. In fact, they went along with and supported the government overreach, they called out supposed "white supremacy" the definition of which has apparently been expanded to include simply enforcing laws against violent criminals of color. It became obvious this Church has no power, the government had the power. The Covid response, combined with the recent Ensign's Peak Advisors revelations and related SEC fines, I feel vindicates my doubts about this Church and it's leadership that began over four years ago.

Having said this I do not consider myself an ex-Mormon. I have not removed my records from the Church nor do I have a desire at this time to do so. I'm not a huge fan of most ex-Mormon influencers or the ex-Mormon community as nearly all of them come off as bitter woke victims that want to blame the Church for all their problems in life. Honestly I think "Nemo the Mormon" comes off as the most rational and balanced for me and I generally like his podcasts but everyone else I just can't stand.

I'm not an active member at this point, but I recognize a lot of the good things I've received from the church throughout most of my life. My LDS upbringing helped keep me out of a lot of trouble, helped me see parts of the world I never otherwise would have saw, helped me build my family and career. I've strongly considered returning to Church for the sake of community, giving service to others, and to give structure to my children. But I don't think I could ever go back to the way things were knowing what I know now, seeing what I saw over the last few years.

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 7:05 pm I feel much the same. The salt has lost its savor...the Trumpet has fallen.

Little things bugged me, but the Truman Show...light crashing on the stage moment was when Q15 recommended, then urged, the clot-shot...and 2 years later, not a hint of apology, retraction or even a parroting of warnings the CDC has even had to admit.

This wake-up call led to tons of research into LDS history. In a nutshell...a pack of lies.

Not what men of God do...not how men of God react. Certainly they are NOT seeing around corners.

Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

Still sorting out exactly what to do about it all. Many wonderful LDS people...but they are being led astray by a leadership that nauseates me.

Not going to be a good global citizen or wear a UN 17 STG lapel pin like Rasband and Ballard.

Not much in common anymore...sad.

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 7:05 pm Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

HereWeGo wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 10:16 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 7:05 pm Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

This is the problem with church apologists. They try to defend the church and want people who have seen something to turn around and unsee it.

We understand their position. We were where they are now for decades. We defended the church just like they do now. But we had an awakening experience and can see something that they cannot see. They can't understand the position of someone who has seen because they can't see it. We can only pray that their eyes be opened.

Pahoran wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 7:31 pm And let's not forget that within 8 days of that date the temples were closed on 3/26/2020. Who can guess what happened exactly 200 years prior? Yep, the first vision kicking off this dispensation. Now what else happened 3/26/2020? You guessed it, Microsoft patent WO2020060606A1 was published and it is called, "Cryptocurrency system using body activity data."

Personally I think people's minds should be blown by this.

Sunain wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 11:36 pm
If I remember correctly, there was also a significant date link to the day Moroni lost his trumpet. Anyone recall?

Expression, but not description.

Seventeenth, but not the longest single word description of a number.

Does the foregoing trigger another reference to the holy wanker.

Inquiring minds want to know.

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 4:58 pm https://religionnews.com/2022/03/16/mor ... racle-org/

logonbump wrote: ↑March 8th, 2023, 11:25 am

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 4:58 pm https://religionnews.com/2022/03/16/mor ... racle-org/

Thanks, Gary Francis, contributor for the Religion News Service, for posting this link for the 400th time on this forum. What a delightful surprise!

J2 wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 10:21 pm The question is indeed "what do we do next?"

I'm still searching for the answer to that question.

For now, I continue to attend church, but I confess that I can't stand the constantly fawning over Nelson. It's like listening to a dying animal or an out of tune violin.

Maroriginal1 wrote: ↑March 8th, 2023, 7:41 am Moroni has lost his trumpet on other temples in earthquakes before, so I didn’t read into this as a sign at the time. Now looking back on all the events unfolding in the world and the church, I think this was a warning to us. Far too much of a coincidence looking back. I think we are witnessing what Isiah warned about with our leaders and that trumpet was giving us a nod to pay attention.

Trucker wrote: ↑March 8th, 2023, 3:17 pm The angel Moroni symbolizes the Restoration and proclaiming the gospel.

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth."

Revelation 14:6

What does it mean if the trumpet of Moroni falls from the SLC temple? Does this scripture refer to this event?

"That in the day that I shall visit the transgressions of Israel upon him I will also visit the altars of Bethel: and the horns of the altar shall be cut off, and fall to the ground."

Amos 3:14

It really does strike me as symbolic and from the Lord. Does it mean the church isn't preaching the everlasting gospel anymore? Which could be because we preach something else, or that the time for preaching is over.

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 8:34 am

Luke wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 7:07 am

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑July 14th, 2022, 11:56 pm

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 4th, 2019, 4:17 pm ... absolute knowledge.
The Spirit has revealed many details to me about how Joseph Smith started the Church. The "angel" that brought the "gold plates" was Parley P. Pratt. The "angel" that "took the gold plates away" was Parley P. Pratt. The "angel" that "brought the gold plates back a year later" was Parley P. Pratt. Parley had a wagon route that he made every year. It went from around Palmyra to Sandusky, Ohio every year. The gold plates was a manuscript that Parley had on his wagon ...

No wonder a 5.7 magnitude EQ landed his instrument at a most peculiar time.

So completely ridiculous.

Why wouldn’t Parley P. Pratt just start a religion instead? And why on earth would it take over a year for him to actually join up with what Joseph started?

If something is plausible it is not "so completely ridiculous". There is a connection from Joseph Smith in Palmyra to Sydney Rigdon in Sandusky. That connection is Parley P Pratt and his yearly wagon route. Sydney Rigdon did try to have a manuscript printed. If the second assertion is true then there was a logical path for Joseph Smith to come into possession of the manuscript. And since Martin Harris' wife did come to have a manuscript in her possession and the manuscript disappeared for one year it is logical to assume that Joseph Smith gave the manuscript to Martin's wife to read and she traded it to Parley on his way out of town. When Parley returned the following year he still had the manuscript in his possession. So in a made up story about gold plates and angels the angel obviously would be Parley and the manuscript obviously would be the gold plates. Manuscript gone equals gold plates taken away by angel. Manuscript returned one year later equals gold plates returned by angel. Parley having a yearly wagon route equals Parley is the angel. And Sydney having a connection to a printer in Pittsburg also connects him to the alleged original author of the manuscript. And the fact that said original author did write another manuscript in which Roman's came to America and brought horses with them ...

So what is "So completely ridiculous" is Your Statement.

[email protected] wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 10:11 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 7:05 pm I feel much the same. The salt has lost its savor...the Trumpet has fallen.

Little things bugged me, but the Truman Show...light crashing on the stage moment was when Q15 recommended, then urged, the clot-shot...and 2 years later, not a hint of apology, retraction or even a parroting of warnings the CDC has even had to admit.

This wake-up call led to tons of research into LDS history. In a nutshell...a pack of lies.

Not what men of God do...not how men of God react. Certainly they are NOT seeing around corners.

Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

Still sorting out exactly what to do about it all. Many wonderful LDS people...but they are being led astray by a leadership that nauseates me.

Not going to be a good global citizen or wear a UN 17 STG lapel pin like Rasband and Ballard.

Not much in common anymore...sad.

Right with you on sorting out what to do next. I'm not exactly sure what direction to go just yet. But I for sure do not fit in with the woke/atheist ex-Mormon crowd and unfortunately most inactive/ex-Mormons I know fall into that group. They usually claim they left a cult when leaving the Church while ignoring the fact they've just joined a political cult.

[email protected] wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 4:52 pm Story time folks:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/us/earth ... index.html

It's been 3 years almost to the day since this occurred. I don't know if this was a sign from God or not, but I will say it was an incredible coincidence. Especially since 3/18 was the day they closed the schools in my state (Washington) and that began the scary run on the grocery stores so for me, that was the day the pandemic truly began. Around the same time, the "non-essential" businesses began being shutdown by the government, and this included churches. Little did I know, the preceding Sunday would be the last time I would attend church. I had been undergoing a faith crisis for over a year, pretty much since the 2019 endowment changes, but I was still a largely a faithful member and attended every week with my family. I felt the government was being heavy handed but it didn't dawn on me the whole thing was largely a farce, a government power and money grab, until the George Floyd protests that began in May and continued right up until about November. This whole time the Church did not speak out against the government overreach, did not speak out against the lawlessness promoted by groups like BLM, did not speak out against massive government corruption or cultural decline. In fact, they went along with and supported the government overreach, they called out supposed "white supremacy" the definition of which has apparently been expanded to include simply enforcing laws against violent criminals of color. It became obvious this Church has no power, the government had the power. The Covid response, combined with the recent Ensign's Peak Advisors revelations and related SEC fines, I feel vindicates my doubts about this Church and it's leadership that began over four years ago.

Having said this I do not consider myself an ex-Mormon. I have not removed my records from the Church nor do I have a desire at this time to do so. I'm not a huge fan of most ex-Mormon influencers or the ex-Mormon community as nearly all of them come off as bitter woke victims that want to blame the Church for all their problems in life. Honestly I think "Nemo the Mormon" comes off as the most rational and balanced for me and I generally like his podcasts but everyone else I just can't stand.

I'm not an active member at this point, but I recognize a lot of the good things I've received from the church throughout most of my life. My LDS upbringing helped keep me out of a lot of trouble, helped me see parts of the world I never otherwise would have saw, helped me build my family and career. I've strongly considered returning to Church for the sake of community, giving service to others, and to give structure to my children. But I don't think I could ever go back to the way things were knowing what I know now, seeing what I saw over the last few years.

Trucker wrote: ↑March 8th, 2023, 3:05 pm What impression does this picture evoke in you?

LDS Physician wrote: ↑March 8th, 2023, 3:05 pm

Maroriginal1 wrote: ↑March 8th, 2023, 7:41 am Moroni has lost his trumpet on other temples in earthquakes before, so I didn’t read into this as a sign at the time. Now looking back on all the events unfolding in the world and the church, I think this was a warning to us. Far too much of a coincidence looking back. I think we are witnessing what Isiah warned about with our leaders and that trumpet was giving us a nod to pay attention.

Truth? Do you have links? I've never heard of this happening.