Endless Questions Sends a Cease and Desist Letter Because His Stake President is a Secret Society Member...

[endlessQuestions]

Elder Stone,

I need your ecclesiastical assistance in a matter regarding my Stake President, <redacted>, as I have what I believe is a legitimate concern regarding his intent and actions over the last week in relation to my rights and duties as a priesthood holder in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

I do not wish to go into all the details of the situation in this message, but instead would like to lay out the bare minimum of information necessary in order to help you understand my concerns:

1) In an interview with President <redacted> several weeks ago, President <redacted> revealed to me that he is a member of a secret society, Sigma Chi. This is the same secret society that President Russell M. Nelson is a member of.

2) President <redacted> also revealed to me that he has entered into agreements with this organization and made promises to protect their secrets, which he is not willing to reveal to anyone outside of that organization, including the members of his flock here in Franklin. I think it is clear that such a position may lead to distrust, as we lay members now don't know which master President <redacted> is serving in any given set of circumstances.

3) President <redacted> mentioned that the organization is required to file their secrets with the United States government, as it is against the law to keep secrets from them, but he also told me that to the best of his knowledge, the secrets filed with the Library of Congress are not the actual secrets of the organization, due to the fact that the organization lies to the government when filing those forms (this could, of course, just be empty bragging on the part of the leaders of the organization, but unfortunately there is no way to know since President Nelson and President <redacted> refuse to reveal the secrets). I am not sure what all the implications of this are, but I certainly feel uneasy knowing that my Stake President is aware that his secret society is potentially defrauding the government of The United States of America, he has material knowledge regarding this fact, and he has chosen not to report this fact to the proper authorities. It also confuses me, as I'm not sure how he can answer the temple recommend question regarding being honest with his fellow man in the affirmative while possessing such knowledge and not doing his duty as an American citizen by reporting such potential fraud to the proper authorities.

4) On the last Sunday in February, I inadvertently became a whistleblower regarding what could be a significant security flaw in the LUFAS system due to my assignment as a Stake Auditor. This may or may not be known by other secret society members in the leadership chain of the Church, but I have reason to believe it might be, which I am happy to share at the right time and in the right place.

5) On Wednesday, March 1st I was called into a meeting with President <redacted> and told he felt it would be necessary to release me from all my callings. I was told this unexpected and seemingly rash decision was not punitive in nature, but I've only served for 3 years, have committed no sin or transgression that would merit a release, have not sought a release, and wasn't counseled with regarding any concerns President <redacted> has - indeed, only a few weeks ago President <redacted> told me he had no doubts about my integrity, honesty, or capacity, and that I was doing a great job in my calling. No new information that I'm aware of regarding my worthiness has come to light that would necessitate a release, although I did express some opinions in an email regarding the criminal behavior of Church leadership in the Ensign Peak scandal to President <redacted> that I could see would need to be investigated further BEFORE praying about whether to release me. I do want to make it clear, though, that I:

a) Am an active member in good standing.
b) Hold a current temple recommend.
c) Participated in the sustaining vote in Stake Conference yesterday while at the Dickson building, which Bishop <redacted> witnessed, and voted in such a manner that my calling should not be in jeopardy.

6) The scriptures teach that no man can serve two masters, and yet President <redacted> has, through his actions, shown he is attempting to serve both our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, as well as his Sigma Chi masters.

7) No one has any way of determining which of these two masters he is serving in terms of his actions towards me at this time. Is he truly receiving revelation from Jesus Christ? Or is he acting upon the orders of his Sigma Chi masters - perhaps even Russell M. Nelson himself? Since it has been factually established that they belong to the same secret society, I don't feel that it is too far of a stretch to believe they might be secretly conspiring, since that's what secret society members do, as we are taught in the Book of Mormon.

Due to these facts, I am asking the Church to intervene in the process of my release until it can be conclusively determined that <redacted> is acting in service to Jesus Christ in this matter, and not acting upon the orders of his secret society masters. Until then, I ask to be left alone and continue what my bishop has referred to as my excellent service to him, my ward, the stake, and the church in general.

Last week I requested that my IT systems access be revoked while the dust settled surrounding the LUFAS audit situation. Unfortunately, the Church has tied IT systems access to callings, so in order to perform this action, my calling was removed from my record. At this time, however, I am requesting that my Ward Clerk system access be restored immediately so I can continue to perform the duties of my calling as Ward Clerk for as long as I remain in that position. Refusal to do this will be construed as an interference in my ability to perform the duties of my calling, as nearly everything I am asked to do requires system access. I have included <redacted>, the Stake Clerk, on this message so he can immediately update the system to accurately reflect that I am indeed still the Ward Clerk of the Dickson Ward at this time. There should be no delay in this action, as I am currently serving in this calling and need access in order to perform the functions of my calling, and refusal to do so may only seek to cast further doubt as to the intent of those involved. To be clear, I do NOT want my Stake Auditor calling added back into the system, and fully accept that I have been released from that assignment at this time.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter. Please respond immediately with an acknowledgement that this message has been received, and with proposed times where you and I can meet together to discuss this very serious, very difficult matter. Please also let me know if YOU are a member of any secret societies, as that would preclude you from judging in this matter, for the same reasons as outlined above.

<redacted>, please let me know when the system has been updated to accurately reflect my calling status so I can continue to magnify my calling to the best of my ability until my official release.

Yours in Christ,
Justin Riggs

[Reluctant Watchman]

2) President <redacted> also revealed to me that he has entered into agreements with this organization and made promises to protect their secrets, which he is not willing to reveal to anyone outside of that organization, including the members of his flock here in Franklin. I think it is clear that such a position may lead to distrust, as we lay members now don't know which master President <redacted> is serving in any given set of circumstances.

3) President <redacted> mentioned that the organization is required to file their secrets with the United States government, as it is against the law to keep secrets from them, but he also told me that to the best of his knowledge, the secrets filed with the Library of Congress are not the actual secrets of the organization, due to the fact that the organization lies to the government when filing those forms (this could, of course, just be empty bragging on the part of the leaders of the organization, but unfortunately there is no way to know since President Nelson and President <redacted> refuse to reveal the secrets). I am not sure what all the implications of this are, but I certainly feel uneasy knowing that my Stake President is aware that his secret society is potentially defrauding the government of The United States of America, he has material knowledge regarding this fact, and he has chosen not to report this fact to the proper authorities. It also confuses me, as I'm not sure how he can answer the temple recommend question regarding being honest with his fellow man in the affirmative while possessing such knowledge and not doing his duty as an American citizen by reporting such potential fraud to the proper authorities.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter. Please respond immediately with an acknowledgement that this message has been received, and with proposed times where you and I can meet together to discuss this very serious, very difficult matter. Please also let me know if YOU are a member of any secret societies, as that would preclude you from judging in this matter, for the same reasons as outlined above.

Wow!!

[FoxMammaWisdom]

[Jonesy]

I don’t know, brother. I say tread lightly. Maybe you have a better handle than what I think, but lots of damage can be done…both ways. Maybe he was just trying to open up and establish trust, and just talking out of his arse. Hope you know what you’re doing.

[blitzinstripes]

The eye of Sauron is upon you brother. Tread carefully, stay close to the Spirit and know that many here, including myself, pray for your safety and well being.

[tmac]

Yes, JR will be a marked man in the Church from here on out. Exactly that that means, I don’t know, but there will definitely be a sea change, and consequences for not playing along.

From my perspective, every bit of it, from start to finish, looks and sounds very predictable, including where it will go from here.

That is why, instead of being subjected to this predictable approach, I advocate exercising liberty/agency and taking pre-emptive measures, and requesting to be released, en masse. If a growing number of people — especially bishoprics and stake presidencies would do that as a passive resistant act of solidarity, and if that approach could gain critical mass, it would make a difference.

But, alas, few people have as much backbone (balls) as Justin, so it is also highly predictable that most people will just go along to get along, and the status quo will just continue as everything deteriorates.

[MikeMaillet]

I thought of going out with a bang but opted to send a letter to my Bishop instead. This was recent and I have not received any feedback yet.

Mike

[endlessQuestions]

Yes, JR will be a marked man in the Church from here on out. Exactly that that means, I don’t know, but there will definitely be a sea change, and consequences for not playing along.

From my perspective, every bit of it, from start to finish, looks and sounds very predictable, including where it will go from here.

That is why, instead of being subjected to this predictable approach, I advocate exercising liberty/agency and taking pre-emptive measures, and requesting to be released, en masse. If a growing number of people — especially bishoprics and stake presidencies would do that as a passive resistant act of solidarity, and if that approach could gain critical mass, it would make a difference.

But, alas, few people have as much backbone (balls) as Justin, so it is also highly predictable that most people will just go along to get along, and the status quo will just continue as everything deteriorates.

I agree that for most people your strategy is sound.

For me, this is what God is asking me to do.

Our church is home centered and Church supported. Maybe it’s time for people who want to stay in the Church to start asking themselves exactly how much support they need from the church, and how much the church needs their support, and start partly and carefully withdrawing their support where the Church needs it most (free labor) while still maintaining their membership.

In fact, I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

Wouldn’t it be amazing to see a huge revival in the Church? Our “prodigal sons and daughters” returning to the fold, being a self-reliant as they can, while also seeing healthy boundaries so they don’t end up feeling used and abused? I mean, it would cost the Church more money, but we’ve got lots of that. And yes, it would be harder on the leadership logistically, but hey, we’re supposed to magnify our callings, so I’m sure they won’t mind, right? And they might be short staffed if people only ask for the support they need but don’t turn over their whole calendar as free labor for the Church, but whim God calls, God qualifies, so those who think all is well in Zion will definitely be able to handle things until they can convince those of us who need further programming - I mean teaching - and convince us of the error if our ways, and help us repent.

Something to pray about, I suppose.

[simpleton]

Yes, JR will be a marked man in the Church from here on out. Exactly that that means, I don’t know, but there will definitely be a sea change, and consequences for not playing along.

From my perspective, every bit of it, from start to finish, looks and sounds very predictable, including where it will go from here.

That is why, instead of being subjected to this predictable approach, I advocate exercising liberty/agency and taking pre-emptive measures, and requesting to be released, en masse. If a growing number of people — especially bishoprics and stake presidencies would do that as a passive resistant act of solidarity, and if that approach could gain critical mass, it would make a difference.

But, alas, few people have as much backbone (balls) as Justin, so it is also highly predictable that most people will just go along to get along, and the status quo will just continue as everything deteriorates.

I agree that for most people your strategy is sound.

For me, this is what God is asking me to do.

Our church is home centered and Church supported. Maybe it’s time for people who want to stay in the Church to start asking themselves exactly how much support they need from the church, and how much the church needs their support, and start partly and carefully withdrawing their support where the Church needs it most (free labor) while still maintaining their membership.

In fact, I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

Wouldn’t it be amazing to see a huge revival in the Church? Our “prodigal sons and daughters” returning to the fold, being a self-reliant as they can, while also seeing healthy boundaries so they don’t end up feeling used and abused? I mean, it would cost the Church more money, but we’ve got lots of that. And yes, it would be harder on the leadership logistically, but hey, we’re supposed to magnify our callings, so I’m sure they won’t mind, right? And they might be short staffed if people only ask for the support they need but don’t turn over their whole calendar as free labor for the Church, but whim God calls, God qualifies, so those who think all is well in Zion will definitely be able to handle things until they can convince those of us who need further programming - I mean teaching - and convince us of the error if our ways, and help us repent.

Something to pray about, I suppose.

Oh, there is going to be a revival alright, but not what you n others would like. It will be a revival of epic proportions. A complete "setting in order", back to the fulness of the gospel and also the redemption of Zion, back to what JS started and tried to get the people to live. Back to what will cause the enemy to rear his head and come back a raging like never before to destroy. The "agreements with death and hell" will be broken forever. And the few that will be left will be willing and be "one".

[Reluctant Watchman]

In fact, I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

So you think those of us who have left have sinned?

[endlessQuestions]

In fact, I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

So you think those of us who have left have sinned?

I am no man’s judge.

[cwass]

In fact, I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

So you think those of us who have left have sinned?

Same sin as the rest of us...pride

[simpleton]

In fact, I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

So you think those of us who have left have sinned?

5 Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed. (that is, if these conditions are/were met)

16 Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.

17 And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

[Reluctant Watchman]

In fact, I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

So you think those of us who have left have sinned?

I am no man’s judge.

But you think leaving the church requires repentance.

[Reluctant Watchman]

In fact, I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

So you think those of us who have left have sinned?

Same sin as the rest of us...pride

Is it prideful to call out the abominations of the Lord’s church? It is wrong to strive to follow Christ’s teachings?

[Gadianton Slayer]

I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back…

Why?

First I want you to define what the church is using scripture. Not the fake corp, Christ’s true church.

[Robin Hood]

In fact, I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

So you think those of us who have left have sinned?

Everyone is a sinner in need of repentance.

[Reluctant Watchman]

In fact, I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

So you think those of us who have left have sinned?

Everyone is a sinner in need of repentance.

I agree, but he is being very specific in his definition of what requires repentance. Leaving the church is a sin according to him.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Believing the church’s doctrine is what got us into this mess in the first place. They have created their own idols of men, of keys, and of authority. They have their lesser gods.

[The Red Pill]

The organizational church is very vindictive...when you go against their narrative.

I witnessed a Bishop and High-Council member get released....for refusing to wear a mask during covid...both exceptionally good men.

Justin Griffin and his wife were excommunicated for making a film, 90% of which was ballistics tests of what happened at Carthage. He clearly stated it was his opinion based on the physical evidence of the ballistics.

All warm bread and brother and sister...until you drive outside of the prescribed lanes....no sin...just having a different opinion now.

[creator]

I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

Why do you assume those here who left the Church are in need of repentance? There are many valid reasons why one would choose to stay or leave. Also, it seems you're pretty much on your way out the door anyways. It's just a matter of time.

[Light Seeker]

I wonder how many of my Stake Presidents and Bishops have been members of secret societies ?

Anyone ever ask themselves that question ?

[endlessQuestions]

I think it would be amazing if all you people who left the Church would repent and come back on your terms as “homechurchers” who utilized the church’s resources while maintaining healthy boundaries about being free labor, etc.

Why do you assume those here who left the Church are in need of repentance? There are many valid reasons why one would choose to stay or leave. Also, it seems you're pretty much on your way out the door anyways. It's just a matter of time.

I appreciate you guys keeping me honest on this one. Let me try to be clearer:

I talk to a LOT of people who are leaving the Church or have already left. Here’s what I always tell them:

If you can look me in the eyes and tell me that you’ve prayed about your decision, and that the Lord has told you to leave, I will not only support you in that decision, but help you.

I didn’t say EVERYONE MUST COME BACK TO CHURCH.

I said it’s something to pray about.

Clearly, if you pray about it, and don’t feel the need to repent, there’s nothing to be done.

Reluctant Watchman seems pretty upset whenever I bring this up, kind of like Robin Hood whenever I bring up abuse, or how The Duke pipes up whenever I talk about the letter agencies. I understand, based on what they’ve shared about their experiences.

I believe all men should be able to worship how, where, and what they desire. That’s all.

Make more sense?

[endlessQuestions]

I don’t know, brother. I say tread lightly. Maybe you have a better handle than what I think, but lots of damage can be done…both ways. Maybe he was just trying to open up and establish trust, and just talking out of his arse. Hope you know what you’re doing.

Do you establish relationships of trust by bragging about how your secret society brethren openly flaunt the fact they’ve defrauded the American government?

Thanks for the advice, though. Lots of people agree with you, I can confirm.

[endlessQuestions]

I apologize, but I won’t be able to be here for the rest of the day. Family needs me.

Have a good one!