What if Jesus Christ himself had Investments?

[Christianlee]

What if Jesus Christ were on the earth himself, and there was no mistaking it was him, and he required you to pay tithing to him directly, but he, in his infinite wisdom, saw fit to put it in investments in the market and in various real estate holdings, and on a big cattle ranch in Florida? Would you still pay it? Would you pay him 10% of your income off of your gross if he directly required it, and not worry about some guy that told you how to do it back in the 19th Century?

Does this change the equation a bit for some of you?

What if the way it is done right now is Jesus Christ's will, but you are refusing to have faith merely because it is done by flawed intermediaries that didn't get enough good advice from enough lawfirms?

Matthew 8:20 “Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests,
But the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.”

We would be more likely to find Jesus among the homeless. He didn’t even invest in real estate. I don’t see any example in His ministry where He is asking people to directly pay Him 10% of their income so your theoretical situation would never happen.

[SempiternalHarbinger]

If Christ were a hoarder, blood profiteer, and promoting, investing, and profiting from the same things the church is currently (filthy lucre/Babylon), He would be a lying hypocrite and would cease to be God. No man can serve two masters. . . . . Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

[SempiternalHarbinger]

I look to these men in Salt Lake, these church executives, and I ask, what do they seem to be?

Men of God?

Or men of money?

dc

Men of wealth and money.

"For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also". -Jesus Christ, Sermon on the Mount.

[Wolfwoman]

This is hilarious!

To think that the creator of the universe would need to invest in the market.

Now if he asked me to tithe 10% of my gross wages, I would do it, of course! I’m pretty sure he asks us to be willing to give up everything…

[Wolfwoman]

What if Jesus Christ were on the earth himself, and there was no mistaking it was him, and he required you to pay tithing to him directly, but he, in his infinite wisdom, saw fit to put it in investments in the market and in various real estate holdings, and on a big cattle ranch in Florida? Would you still pay it? Would you pay him 10% of your income off of your gross if he directly required it, and not worry about some guy that told you how to do it back in the 19th Century?

Does this change the equation a bit for some of you?

What if the way it is done right now is Jesus Christ's will, but you are refusing to have faith merely because it is done by flawed intermediaries that didn't get enough good advice from enough lawfirms?

What if Denver Snuffer is correct, but you are refusing to have faith because you are blinded by the craftiness of men?

[Niemand]

The majority of this forum would call him a false Messiah. They already made up their decision.

Well he would be behaving differently from the Bible.

[FoxMammaWisdom]

What if Jesus Christ were on the earth himself, and there was no mistaking it was him, and he required you to pay tithing to him directly, but he, in his infinite wisdom, saw fit to put it in investments in the market and in various real estate holdings, and on a big cattle ranch in Florida? Would you still pay it? Would you pay him 10% of your income off of your gross if he directly required it, and not worry about some guy that told you how to do it back in the 19th Century?

Does this change the equation a bit for some of you?

What if the way it is done right now is Jesus Christ's will, but you are refusing to have faith merely because it is done by flawed intermediaries that didn't get enough good advice from enough lawfirms?

Well, I think you are getting many answers here.

The majority of this forum would call him a false Messiah. They already made up their decision.

It sounds like you're the one who's already made up your decision. The people you're talking to are willing to evaluate and consider other options if a leader does something ridiculous.

Jesus told us to scrutinize even his words by the spirit. If my spirit tells me Jesus isn't doing the right thing, I'm going to consider how my spirit is directing me first before I follow something else - including Jesus.

I don't want to become a daughter of perdition violating the Holy Ghost, I like my soul.

The Holy Ghost, who bears record of the Father and the Son, who takes of the things of the Father and shows them unto men, who testifies of Jesus Christ, and of the everliving God, the Father of Jesus Christ, and who bears witness of the truth—this Spirit, this Intelligence, is not given unto all men until they repent of their sins and come into a state of worthiness before the Lord [see 3 Nephi 28:11].

31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

So if Jesus shows up and starts using the satanic money system to play with the other trillionaires, I'm definitely going to challenge the spirit on that one, and go with what the spirit says, not what the crowd who's too scared to have individual thoughts in front of Jesus says.

[Mamabear]

What if Jesus Christ were on the earth himself, and there was no mistaking it was him, and he required you to pay tithing to him directly, but he, in his infinite wisdom, saw fit to put it in investments in the market and in various real estate holdings, and on a big cattle ranch in Florida? Would you still pay it? Would you pay him 10% of your income off of your gross if he directly required it, and not worry about some guy that told you how to do it back in the 19th Century?

Does this change the equation a bit for some of you?

What if the way it is done right now is Jesus Christ's will, but you are refusing to have faith merely because it is done by flawed intermediaries that didn't get enough good advice from enough lawfirms?

Would he hide those investments from the public?
Would he invest in evil companies and promote a deadly vaxxx?
Would he hide child molesters and encourage bishops to call church lawyers instead of the authorities?
Would he lie about church history and doctrine?

[MikeMaillet]

The original question makes absolutely no sense. It's like saying, what if green was red?

The pile of crap left behind by the Q15 is starting to stink bad and people are leaving the church. Also, we the members have not been faithful to the covenant, the cornerstone of our religion, for this promised land on which many of us reside. This is why we are beginning to experience covenant curses such as war, pestilence and soon to be famine. The curses are proof that we are not living properly. I'm getting to the point of impatience with people who shill for or defend or apologize for the church.

What if Jesus had investments? What if we put Jesus to the test?

Isaiah 1

16) Wash yourselves clean:
remove your wicked deeds
from before my eyes;
cease to do evil.

17) Learn to do good: demand justice,
stand up for the oppressed;
plead the cause of the fatherless,
appeal on behalf of the widow.

18) Come now, let us put it to the test,
says Jehovah:
though your sins are as scarlet,
they can be made white as snow;
though they have reddened as crimson,
they may become white as wool.

19) If you are willing and obey,
you shall eat the good of the land.

20) But if you are unwilling and disobey,
you shall be eaten by the sword.
By his mouth Jehovah has spoken it.

We Gentiles have had our kick at the can and now we are getting kicked out of the promised land in the very same manner as the Nephites of old.

I have the patience of a saint when it comes to discussing the Gospel but turn into Mr. Hyde when I see how the church and the Q15 have become the whores of Babylon. This is not even defendable and my GAS meter for the Q15 is pointing at zero. I think of my grandchildren and cry over the kind of life they will have on this hell of a planet.

If your Saviour is the kind of guy that likes to dabble in the stock market and build malls then go ahead and spend your hard-earned Luciferian bank notes on cheap crap made in China or even gamble a bit of it by "investing" in Babylonian enterprises such as Big Pharma and high tech. The church is a large holder of Babylonian stocks and you would be doing the world good by blowing cash and making the church even more wealthy. Think of all the poor people Jesus could help if only he had more money.

To those who shill for the church, maybe you have COVID and are unable to smell the huge pile left by the Q15. It might be time to stretch out your arm of flesh for another dose of Godsend.

Mike

[ransomme]

What if Jesus Christ were on the earth himself, and there was no mistaking it was him, and he required you to pay tithing to him directly, but he, in his infinite wisdom, saw fit to put it in investments in the market and in various real estate holdings, and on a big cattle ranch in Florida? Would you still pay it? Would you pay him 10% of your income off of your gross if he directly required it, and not worry about some guy that told you how to do it back in the 19th Century?

Does this change the equation a bit for some of you?

What if the way it is done right now is Jesus Christ's will, but you are refusing to have faith merely because it is done by flawed intermediaries that didn't get enough good advice from enough lawfirms?

Well, I think you are getting many answers here.

The majority of this forum would call him a false Messiah. They already made up their decision.

His kingdom is not of this world, He won't be investing in Babylon and secret combinations.

And we will follow His fruits and the Spirit.

[simpleton]

Jesus does have "investments" but not upon our carnal, sensual and devilish ideas. We are so immersed in Babylonian ideas that we think that the God's do things like we do. Not so.
Jesus and His "Partners" own this earth and "millions of earth's like this. They work together in perfect harmony. No such a thing as money or buy or sell in Their universe. Mankind influenced by the devil started the buying and the selling. God's things are not, and were never for sell. All He has can be ours for "free". I guess you could say labor is worth something, but not as we are accustomed to.
"The laborer in Zion that labors for money shall perish".
But your "what if" definitely looks like an attempt to suggest Jesus would lower Himself to gamble in the stock market. Or go full blown partners with Babylon.

[David13]

I think I see the answer there.

Jesus is of the spirit, not the dollar.
dc

[Mindfields]

So in other words Jesus acts exactly opposite of how he was while on the earth. Defending the so called brethren has done nothing but make them even more reprehensible over time.

[Ebenezer]

I think it's clear that Ed has been wrestling with the fact that the church is led by men who lie to get gain and in order to deal with that he's been drinking an unhealthy quantity of Cope-a-Cola.

It's ok Ed. You can still believe in Jesus Christ, and follow his teachings, without Russ Nelson.

[John Tavner]

What if Jesus Christ were on the earth himself, and there was no mistaking it was him, and he required you to pay tithing to him directly, but he, in his infinite wisdom, saw fit to put it in investments in the market and in various real estate holdings, and on a big cattle ranch in Florida? Would you still pay it? Would you pay him 10% of your income off of your gross if he directly required it, and not worry about some guy that told you how to do it back in the 19th Century?

Does this change the equation a bit for some of you?

What if the way it is done right now is Jesus Christ's will, but you are refusing to have faith merely because it is done by flawed intermediaries that didn't get enough good advice from enough lawfirms?

Jesus in the New Testament Luke 9: 57As they were walking along the road, someone said to Jesus, “I will follow You wherever You go.”

58Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head.”

59Then He said to another man, “Follow Me.”

The man replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”

60But Jesus told him, “Let the dead bury their own dead. You, however, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

61Still another said, “I will follow You, Lord; but first let me bid farewell to my family.”

62Then Jesus declared, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and then looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.”

He can literally multiply food and was around for years no having a place ot lay His head/knowing where He would sleep, trusting in God.

Jesus of the Mormon's "I have billions of dollars, I own multiple buildings and offices, and I also need to invest in the stock market to get more money" also, don't have faith that I can multiply food, what I"m really after is your money, I want you to rely on your flesh for your salvation rather than me. So please give me 10%.

Mormon's have a really twisted view of Jesus... and don't say this is a "straw man." The entire premise of the argument/question made is a twisted view of who Jesus Christ is and His character, it shows how little faith we have in Our Lord and Savior if He were here, people would probably try to crucify Him again because how many strongholds they've built up in their mind. Satan's biggest deception is tricking us into believing Jesus is someone else, because then you can't have faith (because it isn't true).

[Dusty Wanderer]

To me it seems that the whole concept of money itself will be abolished and displaced with some heavenly kind of economy. Like instead of earthly currency, some kind of spiritual means-of-interchange (the thing money is counterfeiting).

Charity bucks backed by a pure heart.

...which is maybe why the whole moneychangers-in-the-temple thing was so thoroughly blasphemous, and how why I think a key element of a future beast system may likely have something to do with allowing the proverbial 'moneychangers' so to speak into one's own body/temple...

Wow. Thanks, abijah. I hadn't considered that before.

[Dusty Wanderer]

Zion won't be built in Babylon.

It just seems illogical that a kingdom not of this world would be reliant upon worldly privileges in order to establish itself.

Beware would-be exploiters of Babylon. Dependency is the forerunner of trust.

[blitzinstripes]

What a ridiculous post! Tossing around 'hypothetical' scenarios that are contrary to the nature of God. Tell us you don't know the Master without telling us you don't know the Master. His sheep hear his voice and know it. Likewise we know his character and recognize his ways. Christ was quite clear when He told Pilate that his kingdom was not of this world. He has no need of such things as Wall Street, NASDAQ and the NYSE. Give him faith, willing hands and a broken heart. He'll do the rest.

You go ahead and keep placing your faith in those arms of flesh, Goble. If you're so caught up in prosperity gospel, you'll feel equally at home with the LDS Corp or Joel Osteen. Both believe that Jesus exists to make them (temporally) wealthy and they both grind the face of the poor to get there.

[Arm Chair Quarterback]

From what little we know about heaven, it appears there will be no need for the exchange of goods and services like food, shelter, medical care, police protection, standing armies etc. If that's the case, then there will be no need for money since it acts as the medium to facilitate the exchange of those temporal goods.

The investing principle in the parable of the talents is likely a metaphor for putting your time and effort in developing character traits. Turn one talent of forgiveness into two. Turn two talents of patience into four. Turn three talents of righteousness into six. We never accumulate an infinite supply of talents, since Christ is responsible for turning that switch on our behalf, but the parable seems to encourage our development of character traits.

The parable of the prodigal son, on the other hand, indicates that Christ will eventually give us an infinite supply of those traits through repentance and salvation..

[nightlight]

From what little we know about heaven, it appears there will be no need for the exchange of goods and services like food, shelter, medical care, police protection, standing armies etc. If that's the case, then there will be no need for money since it acts as the medium to facilitate the exchange of those temporal goods.

The investing principle in the parable of the talents is likely a metaphor for putting your time and effort in developing character traits. Turn one talent of forgiveness into two. Turn two talents of patience into four. Turn three talents of righteousness into six. We never accumulate an infinite supply of talents, since Christ is responsible for turning that switch on our behalf, but the parable seems to encourage our development of character traits.

The parable of the prodigal son, on the other hand, indicates that Christ will eventually give us an infinite supply of those traits through repentance and salvation..

When Adam was cast out... God told him that he would now have to "sweat for his bread". This implies that he didn't have to work for his food while in his non-fallen state. The Earth gave it up to him.

The earth providing for all our needs without us sweating is the mark of a God. These type of entities spend their time doing higher things.


Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

[JandD6572]

Hmmmm…interesting!

Well the Jesus Christ that I know would NOT invest in a death shot company that used tissue of aborted fetuses and then tell everyone that it was safe and effective all while knowing it was going to kill or seriously hurt many who took it.

The Jesus that I know would also not keep terrible secrets and belong to satanic secret societies.

So IMO, it’s a moot point because if it happened, it would not be from the Jesus that I know.

exactly!! why would Jesus have to invest in anything? after all, he increased the amount of fish and bread without investing it. he didn't need to invest in anything medical when he was the healer himself. this is just a nonsense question to try and get the sheeple to follow the leader of a cooperation off the side of a cliff if he told them to do it.

[Pathway2DaCross]

Gesara/Nesara. Gesara/Nesara.. Gesara/Nesara... Esu Emmanuel Jesus Christ Sananda Salu Amen.

[silverado]

Here's another 'what if'. What if the Church had told its members "we have enough money, please pay your tithing by giving it to the needy/charities in your area."

How many members would have given more to local charities, but could not afford to after they had paid their 10% to the church?