Second Anointing's Given by Joseph Smith

[Sirius]

I am fully aware of this quote, and have posted it/discussed it numerous times on the forum.

Like many others, you misinterpreted it. Joseph says:

“When the Lord has thoroughly proved him, and finds that the man is determined to serve Him at all hazards, then the man will find his calling and his election made sure, then it will be his privilege to receive the other Comforter, which the Lord hath promised the Saints . . .”

There’s a pattern

Serve God at all hazards and be thoroughly proved - > Have your calling and election made sure - > Receive the Second Comforter

The Second Comforter is a blessing which follows having your calling and election made sure.

Joseph clearly taught in Nauvoo that the Second Anointing ordinance is what made a man’s calling and election sure. Obviously it’s been butchered now, but that doesn’t take away from what Joseph taught.

I don't agree with your interpretation. Joseph asks a question..."what is the second comforter"...then he answers it...clearly and concisely. It is a personal visit from Jesus Chist.

How can anyone interpret that any differently. The qualifications to get there cannot be confused with what it is. No mortal man can discern if those qualifications have been met. Only God and Christ.

Q15 couldn't even get anything right about covid. Are we supposed to believe they can hand out the "calling and election made sure" to their elite friends with authority to do so?? That's false doctrine.

Your belief in polygamy and worship of BY is why we will probably never agree on many issues.

You completely misinterpreted my comment… I’ll try again:

The Second Comforter IS (a personal visitation of) Jesus Christ.

Having your calling and election and election made sure IS NOT the same thing as receiving the Second Comforter.

Having your calling and election made sure PRECEDES the Second Comforter.

As Joseph said:

• “When the Lord has thoroughly proved him, and finds that the man is determined to serve Him at all hazards, then the man will find his calling and his election made sure, then it will be his privilege to receive the other Comforter, which the Lord hath promised the Saints . . .”

Two separate events.

It's not that I don't understand your position...I do understand it...I just don't agree with it.

Luke is correct, Joseph is clearly speaking of these events as separate. One proceeding the other. What are you not agreeing with him about, if you understand it?

[Baurak Ale]

I don't agree with your interpretation. Joseph asks a question..."what is the second comforter"...then he answers it...clearly and concisely. It is a personal visit from Jesus Chist.

How can anyone interpret that any differently. The qualifications to get there cannot be confused with what it is. No mortal man can discern if those qualifications have been met. Only God and Christ.

Q15 couldn't even get anything right about covid. Are we supposed to believe they can hand out the "calling and election made sure" to their elite friends with authority to do so?? That's false doctrine.

Your belief in polygamy and worship of BY is why we will probably never agree on many issues.

You completely misinterpreted my comment… I’ll try again:

The Second Comforter IS (a personal visitation of) Jesus Christ.

Having your calling and election and election made sure IS NOT the same thing as receiving the Second Comforter.

Having your calling and election made sure PRECEDES the Second Comforter.

As Joseph said:

• “When the Lord has thoroughly proved him, and finds that the man is determined to serve Him at all hazards, then the man will find his calling and his election made sure, then it will be his privilege to receive the other Comforter, which the Lord hath promised the Saints . . .”

Two separate events.

It's not that I don't understand your position...I do understand it...I just don't agree with it.

Luke is correct, Joseph is clearly speaking of these events as separate. One proceeding the other. What are you not agreeing with him about, if you understand it?

Just adding a third witness to what Luke and Sirius have said. Let me spell it out for you too Red Pill (and others who may think those who believe in Brigham Young are ‘lazy researchers’):

A: Having one’s calling & election made sure - comes through the Holy Ghost, a revelation

B: Receiving the Second Comforter - personal visitation by Jesus Christ

C: Second anointing - an ordinance that pertains to exaltation and, like any other ordinance, is a figure of spiritual things.

Everyone who will obtain their exaltation in the highest heaven will have had to pass through all the ordinances, the second anointing (C) not excepting. The ordinance (C) prefigures the making sure of one’s calling and election (A) if the recipient has not yet received it; if the recipient has already received this revelation (A), then the ordinance (C) merely seals it (like Alvin Smith’s posthumous proxy baptism admitting him to the celestial kingdom—his spirit was justified but the action was still necessary). Those who have had their calling and election made sure (A), through the Lord’s own testing, have the privilege of visiting with the Lord personally (B)—but the Lord at this visit will not give the ordinance of second anointing (C), just as he would not baptize Paul but directed him to others who were authorized upon the earth. Joseph Smith spells all of this out very clearly.

[blitzinstripes]

Who is authorized to perform second anointings? Only the corrupt Q15? There seems to be a belief here that receiving the LDS ordinance equates somehow (at least a predecessor) to C&E and the second comforter. I don't think the three are inclusive or exclusive of each other. I have known several men and I have had personal experiences that dictate to me that no such ordinance performed by any living, mortal man officiating on your behalf is anything more than an LDS badge of honor.

[The Red Pill]

All of you in the Luke echo chamber miss the point.

If you think Q15 can guarantee a person's exaltation with a Sunday temple session...you are sadly mistaken.

That comes ONLY from Christ directly...in person face to face.

You get caught up on semantics and how many "then's" Joseph Smith used...or "different" parts...or yeah...that's definitely a this follows that phrase.

That's all meaningless...

A personal visit from Christ is the ONLY way exaltation is guaranteed.

[Luke]

All of you in the Luke echo chamber miss the point.

If you think Q15 can guarantee a person's exaltation with a Sunday temple session...you are sadly mistaken.

That comes ONLY from Christ directly...in person face to face.

You get caught up on semantics and how many "then's" Joseph Smith used...or "different" parts...or yeah...that's definitely a this follows that phrase.

That's all meaningless...

A personal visit from Christ is the ONLY way exaltation is guaranteed.

Then why did Joseph say that having your calling and election made sure precedes the Second Comforter?

The only one missing the point is you mate.

Also nobody said that the 15 can guarantee salvation, that is completely beside the point.

[The Red Pill]

All of you in the Luke echo chamber miss the point.

If you think Q15 can guarantee a person's exaltation with a Sunday temple session...you are sadly mistaken.

That comes ONLY from Christ directly...in person face to face.

You get caught up on semantics and how many "then's" Joseph Smith used...or "different" parts...or yeah...that's definitely a this follows that phrase.

That's all meaningless...

A personal visit from Christ is the ONLY way exaltation is guaranteed.

Then why did Joseph say that having your calling and election made sure precedes the Second Comforter?

The only one missing the point is you mate.

Also nobody said that the 15 can guarantee salvation, that is completely beside the point.

Q15 is saying it mate...what do you think those "by invitation only" Sunday sessions are???

Have you not seen the whistle-blowers that have brought this out in the open???

That's ENTIRELY the point!!

[Mindfields]

For I the Lord delight in complexity and deceit, for my highest secret ordinances are only available to church broke and to those who donate major amounts of cash to my Corporation and shell companies. And I the Lord commandeth you to not share that last bit. Amen

[Luke]

All of you in the Luke echo chamber miss the point.

If you think Q15 can guarantee a person's exaltation with a Sunday temple session...you are sadly mistaken.

That comes ONLY from Christ directly...in person face to face.

You get caught up on semantics and how many "then's" Joseph Smith used...or "different" parts...or yeah...that's definitely a this follows that phrase.

That's all meaningless...

A personal visit from Christ is the ONLY way exaltation is guaranteed.

Then why did Joseph say that having your calling and election made sure precedes the Second Comforter?

The only one missing the point is you mate.

Also nobody said that the 15 can guarantee salvation, that is completely beside the point.

Q15 is saying it mate...what do you think those "by invitation only" Sunday sessions are???

Have you not seen the whistle-blowers that have brought this out in the open???

That's ENTIRELY the point!!

I understand how the 15 operate with regards to the SA nowadays, but I don’t care because that’s not what I’m defending. I’m defending what was taught by Joseph Smith in Nauvoo with regards to it. What the 15 say and do means absolutely nothing to me.