Reminder: Video of Elder Rasband saying to get covid vaccine and follow the prophet

[Trucker]

Starts at 2:45

He also says they prayed in the presence of the prophet to have a covid vaccine. He says they view the vaccine as a godsend and as a miracle. He says we have the benefit of having a prophet of God who is authorized to speak on behalf of the Lord.

[Christianlee]

Blasphemy.

[madvin]

So disgusting

[Chip]

Maybe it was Ezra Taft Benson that said that if the Communist conspiracy were to come to America, there would be many missing leaders in the hierarchy of the church.

[CuriousThinker]

Follow your wise government leaders, unless they say not to take the vax. SMH

[silverado]

'Wise and thoughtful leaders'. He left that part out when he quoted the Aug 2021 letter.

[JandD6572]

Hmmm, I always thought miracles where those things that healed people, not kill them, who knew!

[The Red Pill]

Rasband came from a top position in Huntsman Chemical...yes..that Huntsman.

He was groomed all along the way by the LDS elite that EndlessQuestions has so dutifully exposed.

[Silver Pie]

He also says they prayed in the presence of the prophet

Huh?



Sounds like a rather anti-Christ thing to say - meaning, "in the presence of God. Oh, wait. He's not God. Well, he is to us."

[Obeone]

Starts at 2:45

He also says they prayed in the presence of the prophet to have a covid vaccine. He says they view the vaccine as a godsend and as a miracle. He says we have the benefit of having a prophet of God who is authorized to speak on behalf of the Lord.

He is right that the words of the prophet supersede the words of any other world leader.

But the words of the Spirit of God ALWAYS supersede the words of the prophet.

This is the key lesson the Church must learn before Zion can be redeemed. This is why God allowed this test for the Church so that it can forever learn that the Spirit of God outranks the prophet every time.

As for vax being safe and effective he is making an honest error, and we should forgive him, as well as the rest of Q15.

Follow the Spirit above all, and also respect God's prophets and apostles on earth, and all will be well with you.

It is all a test.

[madvin]

He is right that the words of the prophet supersede the words of any other world leader.

But the words of the Spirit of God ALWAYS supersede the words of the prophet.

This is the key lesson the Church must learn before Zion can be redeemed. This is why God allowed this test for the Church so that it can forever learn that the Spirit of God outranks the prophet every time.

As for vax being safe and effective he is making an honest error, and we should forgive him, as well as the rest of Q15.

Follow the Spirit above all, and also respect God's prophets and apostles on earth, and all will be well with you.

It is all a test.

That attitude just seems right. We can let what they said begin to canker our souls but who benefits then?

[InfoWarrior82]

Starts at 2:45

He also says they prayed in the presence of the prophet to have a covid vaccine. He says they view the vaccine as a godsend and as a miracle. He says we have the benefit of having a prophet of God who is authorized to speak on behalf of the Lord.

He is right that the words of the prophet supersede the words of any other world leader.

But the words of the Spirit of God ALWAYS supersede the words of the prophet.

This is the key lesson the Church must learn before Zion can be redeemed. This is why God allowed this test for the Church so that it can forever learn that the Spirit of God outranks the prophet every time.

As for vax being safe and effective he is making an honest error, and we should forgive him, as well as the rest of Q15.

Follow the Spirit above all, and also respect God's prophets and apostles on earth, and all will be well with you.

It is all a test.

When will they repent? If not in this life, they will be in which kingdom?

[Subcomandante]

Starts at 2:45

He also says they prayed in the presence of the prophet to have a covid vaccine. He says they view the vaccine as a godsend and as a miracle. He says we have the benefit of having a prophet of God who is authorized to speak on behalf of the Lord.

In SOME regards, the vaccine was a type of miracle. But it was also a double-edged sword.

On one side, the lockdowns and the social distancing could finally be isolated in many parts of the world. But on the other side unnecessary government regulations gave them excuses to really harm many people for choosing NOT to get vaccinated. Some countries like Australia and Canada were more affected than others. Others like Mexico were less affected.

If there is no vaccine, there would NOT have been a reopening nearly as quickly as what we have seen up to now. So in THAT regard, yes, the vaccine was a miracle.

And yes, prophets are authorized by God to speak on behalf of the Lord. But we are also given discernment from personal revelation to determine which course of action we are to take (and from this, decipher if the instructions coming from the prophet are indeed from the Lord or are heavily influenced from his prior profession or contacts with other people).

[Obeone]

Starts at 2:45

He also says they prayed in the presence of the prophet to have a covid vaccine. He says they view the vaccine as a godsend and as a miracle. He says we have the benefit of having a prophet of God who is authorized to speak on behalf of the Lord.

He is right that the words of the prophet supersede the words of any other world leader.

But the words of the Spirit of God ALWAYS supersede the words of the prophet.

This is the key lesson the Church must learn before Zion can be redeemed. This is why God allowed this test for the Church so that it can forever learn that the Spirit of God outranks the prophet every time.

As for vax being safe and effective he is making an honest error, and we should forgive him, as well as the rest of Q15.

Follow the Spirit above all, and also respect God's prophets and apostles on earth, and all will be well with you.

It is all a test.

When will they repent? If not in this life, they will be in which kingdom?

You do not repent of honest mistakes, you correct them, and learn by suffering their consequences.

Many of the twelve will die by the very vax they promoted. But they will die innocent. And in the spirit world they will learn the truth (since for now they are blinded by authority and seem incapable of critical thinking).

[InfoWarrior82]

Starts at 2:45

He also says they prayed in the presence of the prophet to have a covid vaccine. He says they view the vaccine as a godsend and as a miracle. He says we have the benefit of having a prophet of God who is authorized to speak on behalf of the Lord.

He is right that the words of the prophet supersede the words of any other world leader.

But the words of the Spirit of God ALWAYS supersede the words of the prophet.

This is the key lesson the Church must learn before Zion can be redeemed. This is why God allowed this test for the Church so that it can forever learn that the Spirit of God outranks the prophet every time.

As for vax being safe and effective he is making an honest error, and we should forgive him, as well as the rest of Q15.

Follow the Spirit above all, and also respect God's prophets and apostles on earth, and all will be well with you.

It is all a test.

When will they repent? If not in this life, they will be in which kingdom?

You do not repent of honest mistakes, you correct them, and learn by suffering their consequences.

Many of the twelve will die by the very vax they promoted. But they will die innocent. And in the spirit world they will learn the truth (since for now they are blinded by authority and seem incapable of critical thinking).

Unrighteous Dominion is an honest mistake? Lying to members about tithing funds is an honest mistake? Changing the doctrines and ordinances is an honest mistake? No no no no. Getting someone's name wrong is an honest mistake. Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Moroni were not too kind in describing these men in their writings.

[h_p]

It is all a test.

Indeed. They were tested as prophets and failed miserably. They exposed themselves as the frauds that they are for anyone willing to see..

[Obeone]

It is all a test.

Indeed. They were tested as prophets and failed miserably. They exposed themselves as the frauds that they are for anyone willing to see..

True prophets make mistakes all the time. Read your Bible: Adam, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, Peter, Joseph, etc.

If you wish God be merciful to you, be merciful to them.

[madvin]

In SOME regards, the vaccine was a type of miracle. But it was also a double-edged sword.

On one side, the lockdowns and the social distancing could finally be isolated in many parts of the world. But on the other side unnecessary government regulations gave them excuses to really harm many people for choosing NOT to get vaccinated. Some countries like Australia and Canada were more affected than others. Others like Mexico were less affected.

If there is no vaccine, there would NOT have been a reopening nearly as quickly as what we have seen up to now. So in THAT regard, yes, the vaccine was a miracle.

And yes, prophets are authorized by God to speak on behalf of the Lord. But we are also given discernment from personal revelation to determine which course of action we are to take (and from this, decipher if the instructions coming from the prophet are indeed from the Lord or are heavily influenced from his prior profession or contacts with other people).

The miracle is that not everybody died from it.

The "vaccine", which isn't a vaccine, was used to make it appear to be the reason they "reopened". This is nonsense. No miracle, no covaids, and no virus. It's as simple as that.

Well, they spoke from their own (mis)understanding. Not for the Lord.

Bhlah blah...

[h_p]

True prophets make mistakes all the time. Read your Bible: Adam, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, Peter, Joseph, etc.

If you wish God be merciful to you, be merciful to them.

Mercy does not entail ignoring the truth. And true prophets don't spiritually abuse their followers.

[Obeone]

True prophets make mistakes all the time. Read your Bible: Adam, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, Peter, Joseph, etc.

If you wish God be merciful to you, be merciful to them.

Mercy does not entail ignoring the truth. And true prophets don't spiritually abuse their followers.

Would you call this spiritual abuse?
Would you call what God did with Abraham (asking him to sacrifice his son) "spiritual abuse?"

[Seed Starter]

I just posted parts of this in another thread but it is relevant to this conversation as well:

"What does it mean to overcome the world? It means overcoming the temptation to care more about the things of this world than the things of God. It means trusting the doctrine of Christ more than the philosophies of men. It means delighting in truth, denouncing deception, and becoming “humble followers of Christ.”

These incomparable privileges follow those who seek the support of heaven to help them overcome this world. To this end, I extend to members of the entire Church the same charge I gave to our young adults last May. I urged them then—and I plead with you now—to take charge of your own testimony of Jesus Christ and His gospel. Work for it. Nurture it so that it will grow. Feed it truth. Don’t pollute it with false philosophies of unbelieving men and women. As you make the continual strengthening of your testimony of Jesus Christ your highest priority, watch for miracles to happen in your life.

So follow the prophet, God won't let him lead you astray.
The prophet trusts in the philosophies and encourages us to do the same except when giving talks like this.
We should follow the prophet/Q15 except when they're wrong. Then we should "take charge of our own testimony" and listen to the Spirit and realize this is a test. That sounds like a "get out of jail free" card for RMN/Q15. I did take charge by skipping the vax and cutting class.
But then go back to listening to RMN and Q15 when the danger is over.
And definitely don't assume you can follow the spirit over the prophet/Q15 after covid.
We should delight in truth and denounce deception but not if the deception comes from church leadership. Then we're told to stay out of it, sustain, and let God sort it out.
A guy on the internet paying a little bit of attention knows the experimental MRNA vaccines rushed to market and jammed down our throats is cause for distrust and concern but the nearly 100 year old retired surgeon, head of a multi-billion dollar international church, and literal mouthpiece for God on earth encourages us to be good global citizens and take the Godsend. Then I hear that he innocently gave that mistaken advice so he won't be held accountable for death and destruction caused by the Godsend or most actually believe it was a Godsend and praise him for it.

Look at that second to last line in the quote above about not polluting your testimony with false philosophies of unbelieving men and women. He followed the script perfectly. For Pete's sake perhaps I can suggest a few books for him on the things men have planned for this world. Here is a really short list that will give one a vague understanding of what has been openly discussed for years. If I had a massive budget and access to world leadership and manpower I'm pretty sure I could have a crystal clear picture of the game they are playing. I'm just a hobbyist with an average income and a family to care for. If I can do it so can they. I think they know what's going on.

Tragedy and Hope - Carroll Quigley
Survival of the Wisest - Jonas Salk/Polio vaccine
The New World Order - H.G. Wells
The Next Million Years - Charles Galton Darwin
None Dare Call It Conspiracy - Gary Allen
Technocracy Rising - Patrick Wood
The Great Reset - Klaus Schwab
Transforming our world: the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development - United Nations
The Book of Mormon
The Holy Bible
The Limits to Growth - D.H. Meadows/Club of Rome
Jaffe Memo - Frederick Jaffe
National Security Study Memorandum 200 - Declassified 1980

[h_p]

Would you call this spiritual abuse?
Would you call what God did with Abraham (asking him to sacrifice his son) "spiritual abuse?"

Are you saying because God apparently did those things, then someone claiming to be a prophet is OK to tell people to inject themselves with poison, and they need to do it because it's necessary and God's will?

You do realize the kool-aid drinking metaphor is used as a warning these days, and not a living breathing literal how-to for running a church, don't you?

What church leaders have done over the past 3 years is completely and totally indistinguishable from what evil sociopaths were doing during the same time. But one is evil because he's not a prophet, the other is good and righteous because he is. That's what you're saying? Do you realize how completely nuts you're sounding?

It's really simple, in my book: by their fruits ye shall know them.

[p8riot]

Notice how he said the "One Thing of his Soul", "my one thing, first and foremost in my mind is follow God's living prophet." Not follow Jesus Christ, or the Spirit, or God. And this is after he said earlier that the mission of our era is to gather Israel. Who are you trying to gathering Israel to? Shouldn't it be Jesus Christ?

[Trucker]

Notice how he said the "One Thing of his Soul", "my one thing, first and foremost in my mind is follow God's living prophet." Not follow Jesus Christ, or the Spirit, or God. And this is after he said earlier that the mission of our era is to gather Israel. Who are you trying to gathering Israel to? Shouldn't it be Jesus Christ?

His "one thing" is Brethrenism.

[p8riot]

Notice how he said the "One Thing of his Soul", "my one thing, first and foremost in my mind is follow God's living prophet." Not follow Jesus Christ, or the Spirit, or God. And this is after he said earlier that the mission of our era is to gather Israel. Who are you trying to gathering Israel to? Shouldn't it be Jesus Christ?

His "one thing" is Brethrenism.

Brethrenism- I like that term.