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Today is Friday, February 24th, 2023.

I will, from time to time, post about "red letter days" here on the forum.

Not many people care.

And that's fine.

If it's not your thing, just keep on truckin'.

But for those of you who are interested, I've been led to something that might have profound implications,

and since the whole February 21st thing panned out pretty okay,

I'm going to go ahead and get this up right now.

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So, very quickly, the claim is that God designed the solar system to work like a clock.

A clock is just a type of calendar that helps us measure time in short increments.

A calendar is an instrument that helps us measure time over long increments.

Apparently, God designed His system in such a way that many different calendars were generated.

Several of those were discovered (with the help of some revelation along the way, but mostly by using the scientific method) by a man named John Pratt.

His website is johnpratt.com

He's dead now, so unfortunately, the master isn't here to teach the class.

Which leaves me.

I know, not good.

I'll do my best.

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Just like printed calendars printed their "holi"-days in red,

John claimed that God created his calendars with "holy"-days, or holy days.

Some are what John called minor holy days (he didn't have a marketing department, y'all)

And some are major holy days.

When a day on our Gregorian calendar shows up as a major holy day on several of God's calendars, John called that a "red letter day"

And there's one that appears like it might be important coming up in October of this year.

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So, to begin, let's just look at the day itself.

The red letter day in October that I'm referring to is:

Sat 7 Oct 2023 pm

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Now, this isn't a master class, and I don't want to get too far into the weeds, but that "pm" is kind of important.

Here's why:

the way the calendars work, they sometimes only align for 6 hours at a time.

That's the case on this day.

John explained it this way:

"If the timing is known to quarter-day accuracy, then it is indicated as follows: "am*" means midnight to 6 am local sundial time, "am" means 6 am to noon, "pm" means noon to 6 pm, and "pm*" means 6 pm to midnight. (The star * means when the stars are shining.)"

I'm not 1000% sure what "local sundial time is", but I'll update this if I get a really good, firm answer.

The point is, this not just any red letter day, it's even more special because the alignment only happens from noon to 6 pm, "local sundial time".

Still with me?

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Sorry, time out.

Work to be done.

I'll be back later to finish this.

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endlessQuestions wrote: February 24th, 2023, 12:36 pm Sorry, time out.

Work to be done.

I'll be back later to finish this.
oh thanks, leave us hanging lol

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We're going to skip the symbolism of the day on the different calendars for now, but here's what I want to point out:

Sometime around Thu 25 Mar 2020 the Church decided to shutter all its temples. The announcement was made on the 25th, but we don't know exactly how long they sat on the decision before announcing it.

Daniel - Inspired Version
9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation; and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Let's not worry about what "one week" means at this point.

Let's just focus on somebody stopping the sacrifice and oblations to cease.

And, for the sake of discussion, let's just say that this was fulfilled on Thu 25 Mar 2020.

One of the day counts that Daniel mentions in connection with the last days is 1290 days.

So how long is it from Thu 25 Mar 2020 to Sat 7 Oct 2023?

Well, it's 1291 days, that's how long it is.

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EDIT: Further research, instigated by eagle-eyed Robin Hood, shows there really hasn't been much of a pattern at all. Here's a taste:

https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org ... s?lang=eng

Leaving this so everyone can see what live research looks like.

Here's another weird thing.

Fall conference is always the first weekend of October.

I haven't checked the data, and there may be a few exceptions, but for as long as I've been alive, we always say, "first weekend of April, first weekend of October".

But in 2023?

Conference is September 30th-October 1st.

See for yourself:
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... ide-events

So a very strong pattern is being broken here, for unknown reasons.

Remember, the Lord gives us a pattern in all things so that we won't be deceived:

“I will give unto you a pattern in all things, that ye may not be deceived; for Satan is abroad in the land, and he goeth forth deceiving.” (D&C 52:14.)
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endlessQuestions wrote: February 24th, 2023, 2:22 pm Here's another weird thing.

Fall conference is always the first weekend of October.

I haven't checked the data, and there may be a few exceptions, but for as long as I've been alive, we always say, "first weekend of April, first weekend of October".

But in 2023?

Conference is September 30th-October 1st.

See for yourself:
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... ide-events

So a very strong pattern is being broken here, for unknown reasons.

Remember, the Lord gives us a pattern in all things so that we won't be deceived:

“I will give unto you a pattern in all things, that ye may not be deceived; for Satan is abroad in the land, and he goeth forth deceiving.” (D&C 52:14.)
Now that's the type of observation from a Watchman. Good one 👍

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Okay, let's circle back and look at the symbolism of the day:

The day is "red" on the following calendars:

Hebrew
Enoch
Star
Universal Star
Priest

Try not to get bogged down in the names of the calendars, for now.

The important thing is that each calendar has day names, and those names are symbolic.

This is where we could really use John, but as I mentioned, he's not with us on this side of the veil anymore.

So we're going to have to try to muddle through.

Let's look at each calendar one by one.

In a bit.

Because I have to go do something else for awhile.

My goal is to finish this thread by the end of the day, so thanks for your patience.

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endlessQuestions wrote: February 24th, 2023, 2:22 pm Here's another weird thing.

Fall conference is always the first weekend of October.

I haven't checked the data, and there may be a few exceptions, but for as long as I've been alive, we always say, "first weekend of April, first weekend of October".

But in 2023?

Conference is September 30th-October 1st.

See for yourself:
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... ide-events

So a very strong pattern is being broken here, for unknown reasons.

Remember, the Lord gives us a pattern in all things so that we won't be deceived:

“I will give unto you a pattern in all things, that ye may not be deceived; for Satan is abroad in the land, and he goeth forth deceiving.” (D&C 52:14.)
General Conference dating is based on the first Sunday in April or October. "Weekend" isn't a real thing given that Sunday is the first day of the week.
You will find other examples of GC being held on the first Sunday. 2023 is not unique.

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Robin Hood wrote: February 24th, 2023, 2:56 pm
endlessQuestions wrote: February 24th, 2023, 2:22 pm Here's another weird thing.

Fall conference is always the first weekend of October.

I haven't checked the data, and there may be a few exceptions, but for as long as I've been alive, we always say, "first weekend of April, first weekend of October".

But in 2023?

Conference is September 30th-October 1st.

See for yourself:
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... ide-events

So a very strong pattern is being broken here, for unknown reasons.

Remember, the Lord gives us a pattern in all things so that we won't be deceived:

“I will give unto you a pattern in all things, that ye may not be deceived; for Satan is abroad in the land, and he goeth forth deceiving.” (D&C 52:14.)
General Conference dating is based on the first Sunday in April or October. "Weekend" isn't a real thing given that Sunday is the first day of the week.
You will find other examples of GC being held on the first Sunday. 2023 is not unique.
Thanks, RH. I'll look into it.

To make sure I understand, you're saying the pattern has been "first Sunday in April and October", and that I've fallen prey to one of those "Mormon culture" (and maybe even "Western US culture things" things I'm always talking about? That would be pretty funny.

Appreciate it.

EDIT: Wikipedia agrees with RH!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_c ... ay_Saints)
"General conferences are held on the weekends containing the first Sunday in April and the first Sunday in October."

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Okay, let's look at the symbolism for the calendars.

We'll keep it very simple, because

a) It's easier that way
b) I don't have a PhD in this, and so it's guesswork no matter how you look at it

Hebrew - 22 Tishri

What do we know about 22 Tishri? You're going to need to do your own research here, but here's a very easy one...

https://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/da ... /22&mode=j

Eat in Sukkah
The festival of Sukkot, commemorating G-d's enveloping protection of the Children of Israel during their 40-year journey through the desert (1313-1273 BCE), is celebrated for seven days, beginning from the eve of Tishrei 15. During this time, we are commanded to "dwell" in a sukkah -- a hut of temporary construction, with a roof covering of raw, unfinished vegetable matter (branches, reeds, bamboo, etc.) -- signifying the temporality and fragily of human habitation and man-made shelter and our utter dependence upon G-d's protection and providence.

Outside of Israel, we eat in the sukkah an additional day, on the holiday of Shemini Atzeret (see Why are holidays celebrated an extra day in the Diaspora?) The special blessing recitied when eating in the sukkah is not recited today.

Note: In certain communities it is customary to eat some or all of this day's meals out of the sukkah.

Links: The Big Sukkah; The Temporary Dwelling; The Easy Mitzvah

Last Day In Sukkah
Today is the last day when we eat in the sukkah (although the blessing on the sukkah, recited before eating a meal, is not recited today). Shortly before sunset, many have the custom to enjoy a last snack in the sukkah, thus "bidding the sukkah farewell" until the following year.

Note: In certain communities it is customary to eat some or all of this day's meals out of the sukkah.

And this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shemini_Atzeret

I'm not even going to try to interpret these... I'll leave that up to those who care enough to look into it.

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Enoch - 14 Aut

The Enoch calendar is one I don't understand very well, but according to John the symbolism of the day 14 Aut on this calendar is "Tabernacles".

What I'll say is, if you go here:

https://johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/dates.html

And search for "14 Aut", just look at the other events that John says happened on the day 14 Aut throughout history, and hold that in the back of your mind.

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Star - 22 Vir 2023

and Universal Star - 22 Leo 2030

Not even going to try with these ones, except to point out the obvious, that Virgo represents the Virgin, and Leo represents the King, or the tribe of Judah.

The Star Calendar is where John lost me completely. So good luck figuring that out, if you want to even try. ;)

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Priest - 1 Jeshua

Should be pretty obvious here, right? Yeshua is a Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Joshua.”. Some believe this was the name of the man we refer to as Jesus.

Except it might not be as simple as that.

This is the Priest calendar, so we always want to look at that part of the story.

Look at this, fellow wannabe Bible scholars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_the_High_Priest

"Joshua (Hebrew: יְהוֹשֻׁוּעַ Yəhōšūa‘) or Yeshua (Hebrew: יֵשׁוּעַ Yēšūaʿ) the High Priest was, according to the Bible, the first person chosen to be the High Priest for the reconstruction of the Jewish Temple after the return of the Jews from the Babylonian Captivity (See Zechariah 6:9–14 and Ezra 3 in the Bible)."

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Let's address the 1291 instead of 1290.

The answer is: I don't know.

God is exact, that I do know.

And there's uncertainty regarding the start date, so that might play into it.

Everybody should be very clear: this isn't revelatory, it's scientific.

The interpretation is unknown. We just have to take the data we have and do the best we can to interpret it.

Revelation can be a part of it, but that's personal, and I certainly haven't had any in regards to this.

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One last thing:

One interesting pattern I've found over the years is that there are "red letter echo days", it appears.

So one thing we an do is look at a red letter day and see what day it most closely echoes in the proposed chronology.

In this case, something fairly interesting popped out:

There's this sort of cryptic event I had never read about (and I thought I had read it all, but obviously not) that says: Joseph b to M.M.

Here's John's writing about that:

https://johnpratt.com/items/docs/2019/m ... e.html#2.5

The startling claim he makes is this:

"All of these witnesses are screaming to us that this child is somehow the product of the marriage between Jesus and Mary Magdalene because the day of birth is identical to the marriage date on three sacred calendars (UE, P, US). If readers are not gasping for breath at this point, they have not understood how incredibly rare such events are!"

But before you lose your mind, just remember he also says this:

"Hopefully the reader is seeing how this work is like putting together a jigsaw puzzle"

It should also be noted that John Pratt became disaffected with The Church and ended up heavily involved in both the Denver Snuffer movement, as well as the Brazil Golden Plates movement at the end of his life. That doesn't matter much to me in terms of testing his models, but it might to some, so let's just get it out there.

Moving on:

This birthday was on -

Hebrew 22 Tishri
Enoch and Enoch Uniform 14 Aut
Star 1 Lib
Uniform Star 1 Sco
Priest 1 Jac

So the Hebrew and the Enoch days are a match,

the Priest calendar day has echoes of both 22 Tishri and the historical 1 Jeshua

"The day of the Raising of the Tabernacle was a day which clearly represented the Resurrection, both in the obvious event itself of raising the body (tabernacle) and also on sacred calendar days. It came on the eighth day counting from the day of the anointing of the high priest Aaron. It occurred on the sacred day of 1 Jachin on the Priest Calendar, the same as on the day of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Early Christians understood well the symbolism of the Christ rising on the eighth day of the week, which is Sunday, the same as the first day."

and again, unfortunately I don't know enough about the Star Calendars to say anything at all, except that things often come in opposite pairs, and perhaps these are the opposites of the known dates for October7, 2023. Gonna take someone smarter than me to figure that one out.

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So what does it all mean?

I don't know.

This is just raw data.

Do with it what you will.

I, for one, will be thinking about it, studying more, and keeping a close eye out for anything that comes along around this time.

Very critically, though, it should be noted that John was very open about the fact that the calendars weren't made to PREDICT events, they were there to TESTIFY to us that God planned things out, and that throughout history, he's never missed an appointment. So keep that in mind as you look at these things.

Have a good night, everyone!

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endlessQuestions wrote: February 24th, 2023, 12:09 pm So, to begin, let's just look at the day itself.

The red letter day in October that I'm referring to is:

Sat 7 Oct 2023 pm
The 18th hour represents the 18th letter.

Are you planning to be anywhere peculiar.:?:

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endlessQuestions wrote: February 24th, 2023, 12:13 pm
I'm not 1000% sure what "local sundial time is", but I'll update this if I get a really good, firm answer.
Determining high noon by observing the shortest shadow.

Is there something more to add. :?:

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BeNotDeceived wrote: February 24th, 2023, 5:16 pm
endlessQuestions wrote: February 24th, 2023, 12:13 pm
I'm not 1000% sure what "local sundial time is", but I'll update this if I get a really good, firm answer.
Determining high noon by observing the shortest shadow.

Is there something more to add. :?:
In this context, I guess I would ask, “which locality” is the one that matters?

Jerusalem?

Sally Lake City?

Timbuktu?

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BeNotDeceived wrote: February 24th, 2023, 5:12 pm
endlessQuestions wrote: February 24th, 2023, 12:09 pm So, to begin, let's just look at the day itself.

The red letter day in October that I'm referring to is:

Sat 7 Oct 2023 pm
The 18th hour represents the 18th letter.

Are you planning to be anywhere peculiar.:?:
Nope. You?

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All temple activity churchwide was suspended at the end of the day on March 25, 2020. Counting from the end of the day would mean that October 7th falls on day 1290.

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