Flee From Mormylon - By Staying in The Church and Building Zion!

[tmac]

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with any of this, but until the Lord speaks clearly to any of us personally, or to a large body collectively, it’s mostly just personal speculation, and it is very easy to speculate.

[Original_Intent]

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with any of this, but until the Lord speaks clearly to any of us personally, or to a large body collectively, it’s mostly just personal speculation, and it is very easy to speculate.

The Lord has spoken to me clearly, but it is about things I myself and my household need to do.
I think that going beyond that is just laying the groundwork for another church, which frankly I believe the world needs about as much as another political party.
I do believe that as households connect to heaven, they will be gathered together BY THE SPIRIT, not at the direction of any man, and this will be the establishment of Zion. Perhaps we need an Enoch, I do not know, but my heart tells me that the fact that the right people will be brought together will be a testimony to them. Many here look for the OMAS or the DS - I think we must overcome the desire of Israel for someone to talk to God for them.
Much of that is indeed personal speculation, but it is based on some insights which I have a testimony of.

[Jamescm]

This has been my position so far. Aaron smelting the calves didn't mean it was time to "leave the Church", neither did Eli's sons perverting their offices. The religious officials during the days leading up to the birth of Christ were way off, but it wouldn't have been meet to abandon the Church then.

[tmac]

Just like the current state of our governments, despite the corruption, until God clearly manifests an intention to go a different direction, what is He expecting us to do?

Or, is He just waiting, watching, and giving the people what they want?

Does He want us to attempt to branch out in another direction, or stand up and do/say something about the corruption in the current direction, which at this point seems much like the corruption in times past?

What is He wanting to see happen? Who has a definitive and credible answer to that question?

[Reluctant Watchman]

This has been my position so far. Aaron smelting the calves didn't mean it was time to "leave the Church", neither did Eli's sons perverting their offices. The religious officials during the days leading up to the birth of Christ were way off, but it wouldn't have been meet to abandon the Church then.

How about the prophet taking the name of God in vain and giving counsel that is killing the members? Or how about covering up sexual abuse, pedophilia, and SRA? Or how about defending the rights of drag queens to indoctrinate children under the guise of love and acceptance?

[Moroni104]

For those who haven't left "the Church" yet.

Please consider the idea that you can be a powerful influence for good in your wards and stakes simply by fleeing from Mormylon, but STAYING IN YOUR WARDS and politely but insistently demanding accountability.
,,,,

We can do this!

He will help!

I totally agree with you.

The Lord has spoken to me about what I personally should do at this time and I am trying my best to do it.

I took some young men on a campout over the weekend and I feel like I helped them.

I gave a talk in Church and I felt like the Spirit helped me focus on the appropriate things to say.

[endlessQuestions]

For those who haven't left "the Church" yet.

Please consider the idea that you can be a powerful influence for good in your wards and stakes simply by fleeing from Mormylon, but STAYING IN YOUR WARDS and politely but insistently demanding accountability.
,,,,

We can do this!

He will help!

I totally agree with you.

The Lord has spoken to me about what I personally should do at this time and I am trying my best to do it.

I took some young men on a campout over the weekend and I feel like I helped them.

I gave a talk in Church and I felt like the Spirit helped me focus on the appropriate things to say.

So glad to hear this.

If we cede the territory, those opportunities go away.

Hold the line.

And if they choose to cast you out of your synagogue, follow the examples given you in your standard works.

[JK4Woods]

Yes

I got much out of last Sundays services.
Not going to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Just not gonna pay any mind to the businessmen and their syncophants hedged up around them up at HQ.

[SmilingPatriot]

How do you guys plan on dealing with the glass ceiling of leadership?

As a means/form of non-aggressive, passive resistance, there should be a united, grassroots request to be released from callings, without any fuss, drama, or explanation. If that effort would gain traction and grow legs, and bishoprics and stake presidencies would start requesting to be released en masse, it would send a strong message. If it caught on like “Let’s Go Brandon,” it would finally start to get the “Brethren’s” attention, and they would have to re-evaluate. But how many will have the backbone to do that?

And/or if enough people simply quit paying tithes and offerings to the Church, and held those funds for further direction, that too would start to get some attention.

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What happens if we all stand up

[Being There]

For those who haven't left "the Church" yet.

Please consider the idea that you can be a powerful influence for good in your wards and stakes simply by fleeing from Mormylon, but STAYING IN YOUR WARDS and politely but insistently demanding accountability.

Zion has to be built somewhere. Why not try building it where you've been planted?

I have a testimony that this is the church of Jesus Christ.

Like the Nephites of old, we have forsaken our Master.

But like those men and women, we can turn back to Him, renew our covenant, and allow Him to lead us once again.

I KNOW He will honor our faithful efforts.

And if they mock us?

And smite us on the cheek?

And cast us out of our synagogues?

And call us crazy?

What is that to us?

Can they harm us more than they harmed our Master, and his other faithful servants throughout the ages?

Of course not.

We can do this!

He will help!

sorry, but the LDS church, is NOT the church of Jesus Christ; at least not anymore.
How anyone could even possible think after what we've seen and heard from the church,
still think that it's Christ's church, and that He still leads it,
is beyond me.

Zion has to be built somewhere.

we've already been told where Zion has to be built -
Independence Jackson County, Missouri

D&C 97
21 Therefore, verily, thus saith the Lord, let Zion rejoice,
for this is Zion—the pure in heart; therefore,
let Zion rejoice, while all the wicked shall mourn.

Doctrine and Covenants 57
1 Hearken, O ye elders of my church, saith the Lord your God, who have assembled yourselves together, according to my commandments,
in this land, which is the land of Missouri, which is the land which I have appointed and consecrated for the gathering of the saints.
2 Wherefore, this is the land of promise, and the place for the city of Zion.
3 And thus saith the Lord your God, if you will receive wisdom here is wisdom. Behold,
the place which is now called Independence is the center place; and a spot for the temple is lying westward, upon a lot which is not far from the courthouse.

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And yes, "like the Nephites of old, we have forsaken our Master.
But like those men and women"
ya like those men and women, WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM ?
when they became FULL OF PRIDE - LIKE WE HAVE.
What happened to them - and what will happen to us.
THE GOSPEL WAS TAKEN FROM THEM, and given to us - Gentiles.
And now, it will be taken from us, and given back to them.

The first will be last and the last, first

"At the first, the Jews (in the Book of Mormon vernacular, meaning the house of Israel) were redeemed, then they rejected God and the gospel was taken to the Gentiles. (Acts 10.) In these last days, Joseph Smith restored the gospel among the Gentiles; and when they reject it, it will be taken back to the Jews, and they will be redeemed.
Hence, the first will be last and the last, first."
(1 Ne. 13:42; Jacob 5:63; Ether 13:12; D&C 88:59; Matt. 19:30; 20:8,16.)


my comment to someone

The scriptures also tell us that when we go back to build the city, we will build up the waste places of Zion.

Doctrine and Covenants 101:18
18 They that remain, and are pure in heart, shall return, and come to their inheritances, they and their children, with songs of everlasting joy, to build up the waste places of Zion—

Doctrine and Covenants 103:11
11 But verily I say unto you, I have decreed that your brethren which have been scattered shall return to the lands of their inheritances, and shall build up the waste places of Zion.
[/quote]

why do the scriptures say " build up the waste places of Zion " ?
because America will be swept clean.

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America will never be great again. We had our chance.
The Times of The Gentiles is coming to an end.
There will be no more United States of America.
This "choice land" will be swept clean because they do not
"serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ".

The next thing will be Zion.

This "choice land" has been given to the remnants of Jacob, and House of Israel.

why do the scriptures say " build up the waste places of Zion " ?
because America will be swept clean.

Isaiah 51:3 2 Nephi 8:3

3 For Jehovah is comforting Zion,
bringing solace to all her ruins;
he is making her wilderness like Eden,
her desert as the garden of Jehovah.
Joyful rejoicing takes place there,
thanksgiving with the voice of song.

"In the millennial age of peace that follows the mission of Jehovah’s servant, promised lands—a second chief covenant blessing after offspring—transform into a new Paradise (Isaiah 11:1-9; 55:4-13; 65:17-25). Ruins are rebuilt by Jehovah’s elect in Zion who receive inheritances of land (Isaiah 44:26; 58:11-12; 61:4). To those who heed the voice of Jehovah’s servant (Isaiah 28:23; 50:10; 58:1), whose righteousness resembles his righteousness (v 1), all attests to covenant curses—ruins, wilderness, and desert—joyously reversing into covenant blessings" (Isaiah 32:15-20; 35:1-2, 6-7; 58:12)."


D&C 103
11 But verily I say unto you, I have decreed that your brethren which have been scattered shall return to the lands of their inheritances, and shall build up the waste places of Zion.

D&C 101
17 Zion shall not be moved out of her place, notwithstanding her children are scattered.
18 They that remain, and are pure in heart, shall return, and come to their inheritances, they and their children, with songs of everlasting joy, to build up the waste places of Zion—

2 Nephi 15:17 Isaiah 5:17
17 Then shall the lambs feed after their manner, and the waste places of the fat ones shall strangers eat.
“Jehovah will have compassion on Jacob and once again choose Israel; he will settle them in their own land, and proselytes will adhere to them and join the house of Jacob”

Isaiah 58:12
12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

"Jehovah’s returnees to Zion rebuild the ancient ruins under the direction of his servant: “Who fulfills the word of his servant, accomplishes the aims of his messengers, who says of Jerusalem, ‘It shall be reinhabited,’ and of the cities of Judah, ‘They shall be rebuilt, their ruins I will restore’” (Isaiah 44:26); “They will rebuild the ancient ruins, raise up the old waste places; they will renew the desolate cities demolished generations ago” (Isaiah 61:4); “Jehovah is comforting Zion, bringing solace to all her ruins; he is making her wilderness like Eden, her desert as the garden of Jehovah.” (Isaiah 51:3).

Isaiah 52:9
9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.

"A time of comfort and rejoicing arrives when Jehovah’s people who expiate their iniquities see covenant curses turn into blessings and their desolate circumstances transformed (Isaiah 40:1-2; 49:8-13; 51:3; 61:1-3). With the empowerment of Jehovah’s servant and his associates, a new day dawns for those who ascend to the Zion/Jerusalem level and levels higher. Jehovah “comforts” them in their distress when he “redeems” them—when he releases them from bondage and gathers them home in a new exodus to Zion" (vv 3, 11-12; Isaiah 35:9-10; 43:1-2; 48:20-21; 51:9-12; 54:5-8; 66:12-13).

Very few members will be left after the cleansing
and will be (allowed) to "assist" the remnants of Jacob,
and House of Israel who's land this has been given to;
" to build up the waste places of Zion— "
to be numbered with them; the House of Israel, to build up the New Jerusalem.

3 Nephi 21
23 And they shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem.
24 And then shall they assist my people that they may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem.
28 Yea, and then shall the work commence, with the Father among all nations in preparing the way whereby his people may be gathered home to the land of their inheritance.
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HOW - can the Lord - ******** hurl to the ground - The Drunkards of Ephraim -
fulfilling Isa. 28:2, and not completely destroy The United States of America ?


as I've said in an other thread.

America IS FINISHED.
and The Times of the Gentiles - as spoken of in the scriptures - is coming to an end.
READ YOUR SCRIPTURES - AND TRUST IN THEM.


Our scriptures - the words of the Lord - Book of Mormon - and especially Isaiah
tell a different story - of what happens to America - the Gentiles - those that received the restored gospel.

I'll give you this though -
While The righteous principals of the Constitution may very will be saved and kept -
in the hearts of those saints that love liberty and love and serve the Lord -
that righteous remnant - that will return - (after America is swept clean) -
to build and establish Zion - living those righteous principals, -
The Constitution and America - the Gentiles -
including the church and the (Drunkards of Ephraim Isa. 28 church leaders)
will suffer the same fate and destruction - as did those in the Book of Mormon -
those who were also once blessed with the Lord's gospel,
but became full of pride and lost it to us - the Gentiles.
Those great prophets in the Book of Mormon - that tried to warn us - to not repeat their history.
But we did not heed their warnings to us - to not become like them, but have become like them - full of pride - thinking like they did - "we are special and blessed by the Lord - we can't ever lose the gospel".
They did - and so have we.

"Two consecutive histories of fallen peoples on this land fore-warn
the Gentiles of their own imminent fate. (Eth. 2:11; 8:21-26).
Mormon has vividly described the destruction of the Nephites. (Morm. 6:1-22).
Now Moroni recounts the destruction of the Jaredites in order to persuade
the Gentiles to repent. (Eth. 2:11; 8:23)."

So now - we will lose the gospel back to them, and suffer the same consequences as they did.

"I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them"
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*** The first will be last and the last, first

"At the first, the Jews (in the Book of Mormon vernacular, meaning the house of Israel) were redeemed, then they rejected God and the gospel was taken to the Gentiles. (Acts 10.) In these last days, Joseph Smith restored the gospel among the Gentiles; and when they reject it, it will be taken back to the Jews, and they will be redeemed.
Hence, the first will be last and the last, first."
(1 Ne. 13:42; Jacob 5:63; Ether 13:12; D&C 88:59; Matt. 19:30; 20:8,16.)


******** Isaiah 28, speaks of The "Drunkards of Ephraim! " (church leaders)

Isa. 28 "Ephraim and its prophets reap disaster for being delusional and for rejecting divine revelation."
and how the Lord will hurl them to the ground.

Isaiah 28
2 My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down,
or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters, he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters”
identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).

Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies
(Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—
Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground

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[Rumpelstiltskin]

Zion will not be built in the LDS construct. IMO.

Exactly. Zion will be built by the Davidic servant who will gather out the pure in heart from the world. They will become the Zion Kingdom. The Church won't have anything to do with it.

[endlessQuestions]

How do you guys plan on dealing with the glass ceiling of leadership?

As a means/form of non-aggressive, passive resistance, there should be a united, grassroots request to be released from callings, without any fuss, drama, or explanation. If that effort would gain traction and grow legs, and bishoprics and stake presidencies would start requesting to be released en masse, it would send a strong message. If it caught on like “Let’s Go Brandon,” it would finally start to get the “Brethren’s” attention, and they would have to re-evaluate. But how many will have the backbone to do that?

And/or if enough people simply quit paying tithes and offerings to the Church, and held those funds for further direction, that too would start to get some attention.

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What happens if we all stand up

Look more closely. Do we ALL need to stand up?

If not, how many need to?

You’re welcome.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Zion will not be built in the LDS construct. IMO.

Exactly. Zion will be built by the Davidic servant who will gather out the pure in heart from the world. They will become the Zion Kingdom. The Church won't have anything to do with it.

Why wait?

[cwass]

For those who haven't left "the Church" yet.

Please consider the idea that you can be a powerful influence for good in your wards and stakes simply by fleeing from Mormylon, but STAYING IN YOUR WARDS and politely but insistently demanding accountability.
,,,,

We can do this!

He will help!

I totally agree with you.

The Lord has spoken to me about what I personally should do at this time and I am trying my best to do it.

I took some young men on a campout over the weekend and I feel like I helped them.

I gave a talk in Church and I felt like the Spirit helped me focus on the appropriate things to say.

So glad to hear this.

If we cede the territory, those opportunities go away.

Hold the line.

And if they choose to cast you out of your synagogue, follow the examples given you in your standard works.

I spoke in church on Sunday. Spoke about anchoring on Jesus Christ through the storms and realize the storms continue even when our anchor is down. But He had power to even calm the storm when the apostles came to him afraid. Same goes for us.

Not sure if the ward caught my point when I said not to anchor to the church or to a man.

I really do appreciate those of you that have stepped away for one reason or another. I may be there with you one day depending on events and inspiration. I'm just not sure what you are building yet. At this point for me bailing on my local church would feel like a major loss of my ability to influence anyone. We are a remote part of the vineyard and don't have the Utah culture here.

Joseph is a prophet. The book of Mormon is the word of God. We can receive inspiration and I'm counting on that moving forward. For me, it's coming time that I need to possibly talk to my leaders in a loving way for having a lack of compassion on the vax injured people. I've already had these talks and I'm already on the list, I'm sure but it feels like it's time to push it to the next level, maybe.
We have two former families in our area that the husband can no longer work due to injury and the other had a complete heart transplant. I enjoy Red Pills passion about the shot and the terrible affect it has had on people. How our leaders have ignored these issues and it will split the church in pieces.
I agree with these assessments but am still in a position within the church to have a small influence and I don't know where I would have influence if I'm out of the organization at this time. Plus I've got kids that want to be there and I do feel the spirit at church.

[HereWeGo]

Zion will not be built in the LDS construct. IMO.

Exactly. Zion will be built by the Davidic servant who will gather out the pure in heart from the world. They will become the Zion Kingdom. The Church won't have anything to do with it.

I fear that the majority will not recognize the Davidic servant even when he is among them.

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Zion will not be built in the LDS construct. IMO.

Exactly. Zion will be built by the Davidic servant who will gather out the pure in heart from the world. They will become the Zion Kingdom. The Church won't have anything to do with it.

I fear that the majority will not recognize the Davidic servant even when he is among them.

Isaiah says the leadership reflects the members and the members reflect the leaders. Both are blind and deaf. Pres. Nelson said that too many members are "lazy learners." The false tradition of "follow the prophets" makes lazy learners because they think that following the "prophet" is all they have to da and that will get them back to God. Since he's blind and deaf, following the prophet makes you blind and deaf.

[InfoWarrior82]

How do you guys plan on dealing with the glass ceiling of leadership?

Personally, I'm under no delusion to think that I'm going to change the hearts of church leaders. It's those regular members who I expect to reach. I'm not going out to change the church structure and policy. I'll leave what men built to those that crave it above God.

[BeNotDeceived]

Zion will not be built in the LDS construct. IMO.

Exactly. Zion will be built by the Davidic servant who will gather out the pure in heart from the world. They will become the Zion Kingdom. The Church won't have anything to do with it.

I fear that the majority will not recognize the Davidic servant even when he is among them.

Does this majority include you.

[Original_Intent]

How do you guys plan on dealing with the glass ceiling of leadership?

As a means/form of non-aggressive, passive resistance, there should be a united request to be released from callings, without any fuss, drama, or explanation. If that effort would gain traction and grow legs, and bishoprics and stake presidencies would start requesting to be released en masse, it would send a strong message, and would finally get the “Brethren’s” attention, and they would have to re-evaluate. But how many will have the backbone to do that?

And/or if enough people simply quit paying tithes and offerings to the Church, and held those funds for further direction, that too would start to get some attention.

I just read an article talking about Mao and how hundreds of millions supported him even though millions were dying of starvation from his policies. The sentence from the article that synchronizes with your post:

To paraphrase Ghandi, it is not possible for a few to impose their will upon millions without their tacit acceptance.

Boy, do we need to take that message to heart in regards to the church, the government, and the globalists!

See, now we're getting somewhere.

The principle applies everywhere.

Our consent is what allows unjust men to rule over us.

They are our servants.

We are their masters.

We have been poor masters.

So they have become poor servants.

If we become good masters,

they will either become good servants

Or be swept away (either by men or God Himself)

But the answer is us.

WE must repent

and then ask THEM to repent

and refuse to consent to their illegitimate rule

no matter the cost

(the first few through the door usually end up taking a bullet, but it all works out in the end, from an eternal perspective)

in my opinion, of course.

As I thought about this, I feel the correct answer is not confrontationally saying "We refuse" and taking that bullet. In some ways, confrontation also gives them some power. I think to the extent possible we just find other modes of operation and ignore them. And teach others how to do likewise - in advance if possible and teaching correct principles.

And of course, eventually this will also draw attention and lead to confrontation, I just feel you don't even grant them the legitimacy of a response. You just live by correct principles and quietly spread those principles and when they try to force their system it makes them even more the tyrant. For instance, imagine the government moving punitively against the Amish. It would be an outrage, as they clearly simply want to mind their own business. It is a wise model to follow.

[endlessQuestions]

Today’s thought from the LDS Library app.

I learned then, as I know now, that our Savior, Jesus Christ, directs our feet to meetinghouses each week to partake of His sacrament, to the house of the Lord to make covenants with Him, to the scriptures and teachings of prophets to learn of His words. He directs our mouths to testify of Him, our hands to lift and serve as He would lift and serve, our eyes to see the world and each other as He does—“as they really are, and … as they really will be.” And as we allow Him to direct us in all things, we receive testimony that “all things denote there is a God,” because where we look for Him we will find Him—each and every day. This I testify in the sacred name of Jesus Christ, amen.

By Sister Tracy Y. Browning

It is a sacred name, isn’t it?

Which made me wonder, why do they call them “sacred funds”, anyway?

Isn’t that kind of blasphemous, in a way?

Unless your God is Mammon, that is.

And then it’s completely accurate.

[simpleton]

I just read an article talking about Mao and how hundreds of millions supported him even though millions were dying of starvation from his policies. The sentence from the article that synchronizes with your post:



Boy, do we need to take that message to heart in regards to the church, the government, and the globalists!

See, now we're getting somewhere.

The principle applies everywhere.

Our consent is what allows unjust men to rule over us.

They are our servants.

We are their masters.

We have been poor masters.

So they have become poor servants.

If we become good masters,

they will either become good servants

Or be swept away (either by men or God Himself)

But the answer is us.

WE must repent

and then ask THEM to repent

and refuse to consent to their illegitimate rule

no matter the cost

(the first few through the door usually end up taking a bullet, but it all works out in the end, from an eternal perspective)

in my opinion, of course.

In Constitutional terms it’s called government “by consent of the governed.”

If enough people simply start to withdraw their consent to what is going on, it starts to make a difference. But to make a difference, it requires Critical Mass. It can’t just be onesie twosie. But if it can amass enough critical mass, it can truly make a difference. And it usually starts with one person.

I have been involved in such efforts before, and can attest to their effectiveness. Unfortunately, in at least one case it involved the federal government, and when they started feeling threatened enough by the prospect of critical mass, they started killing people and throwing others in jail to shut it down, make examples, and put the fear of government in everyone.

That kind of physical force and intimidation will not be the issue here, but they have a remarkable amount of mind control in their favor, and the means of putting the fear of God/church in people to the point that it will likely have the same effect — so most people roll over, and continue to offer their consent to be governed, by whatever means.

Well, I am one who will not.

So I guess we'll see what happens.

Do me a favor, though.

If something happens to me

Keep an eye on this place, would you?

It's kind of special to me.

So Endless, are you going to be making a claim to power sometime here soon? Just checking.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Today’s thought from the LDS Library app.

I learned then, as I know now, that our Savior, Jesus Christ, directs our feet to meetinghouses each week to partake of His sacrament, to the house of the Lord to make covenants with Him, to the scriptures and teachings of prophets to learn of His words. He directs our mouths to testify of Him, our hands to lift and serve as He would lift and serve, our eyes to see the world and each other as He does—“as they really are, and … as they really will be.” And as we allow Him to direct us in all things, we receive testimony that “all things denote there is a God,” because where we look for Him we will find Him—each and every day. This I testify in the sacred name of Jesus Christ, amen.

By Sister Tracy Y. Browning

It is a sacred name, isn’t it?

Which made me wonder, why do they call them “sacred funds”, anyway?

Isn’t that kind of blasphemous, in a way?

Unless your God is Mammon, that is.

And then it’s completely accurate.

The Lord directs us in many things, but he also encourages us away from corrupt religion. Alma and his experience w/ the Zoramites should make that point abundantly clear.

[Christianlee]

When they move the COB to Missouri, I will start believing these people care more about establishing Zion than their portfolio. They have been blessed with money for a reason beyond hoarding it in investments. Staying with the Church is not a bad thing. Maybe the membership should start moving to Missouri as an example to the leadership. Maybe some urban renewal could happen in Independence instead of Salt Lake City.

[marc]

Exactly. Zion will be built by the Davidic servant who will gather out the pure in heart from the world. They will become the Zion Kingdom. The Church won't have anything to do with it.

Why wait?

D&C 103:15 Behold, I say unto you, the redemption of Zion must needs come by power;
16 Therefore, I will raise up unto my people a man, who shall lead them like as Moses led the children of Israel.
17 For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham, and ye must needs be led out of bondage by power, and with a stretched-out arm.
18 And as your fathers were led at the first, even so shall the redemption of Zion be.
19 Therefore, let not your hearts faint, for I say not unto you as I said unto your fathers: Mine angel shall go up before you, but not my presence.
20 But I say unto you: Mine angels shall go up before you, and also my presence, and in time ye shall possess the goodly land.

What kind of power was demonstrated by Moses? Same as Enoch:

JST Genesis 14:27 And thus, having been approved of God, he was ordained an high priest after the order of the covenant which God made with Enoch,
28 It being after the order of the Son of God; which order came, not by man, nor the will of man; neither by father nor mother; neither by beginning of days nor end of years; but of God;
29 And it was delivered unto men by the calling of his own voice, according to his own will, unto as many as believed on his name.
30 For God having sworn unto Enoch and unto his seed with an oath by himself; that every one being ordained after this order and calling should have power, by faith, to break mountains, to divide the seas, to dry up waters, to turn them out of their course;
31 To put at defiance the armies of nations, to divide the earth, to break every band, to stand in the presence of God; to do all things according to his will, according to his command, subdue principalities and powers; and this by the will of the Son of God which was from before the foundation of the world.

Try redeeming Zion without power and without waiting. By the way, to redeem Zion by definition is to be redeemed from the Fall or in other words, to be brought back into Christ's presence. See Ether 3.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Exactly. Zion will be built by the Davidic servant who will gather out the pure in heart from the world. They will become the Zion Kingdom. The Church won't have anything to do with it.

Why wait?

D&C 103:15 Behold, I say unto you, the redemption of Zion must needs come by power;
16 Therefore, I will raise up unto my people a man, who shall lead them like as Moses led the children of Israel.
17 For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham, and ye must needs be led out of bondage by power, and with a stretched-out arm.
18 And as your fathers were led at the first, even so shall the redemption of Zion be.
19 Therefore, let not your hearts faint, for I say not unto you as I said unto your fathers: Mine angel shall go up before you, but not my presence.
20 But I say unto you: Mine angels shall go up before you, and also my presence, and in time ye shall possess the goodly land.

What kind of power was demonstrated by Moses? Same as Enoch:

JST Genesis 14:27 And thus, having been approved of God, he was ordained an high priest after the order of the covenant which God made with Enoch,
28 It being after the order of the Son of God; which order came, not by man, nor the will of man; neither by father nor mother; neither by beginning of days nor end of years; but of God;
29 And it was delivered unto men by the calling of his own voice, according to his own will, unto as many as believed on his name.
30 For God having sworn unto Enoch and unto his seed with an oath by himself; that every one being ordained after this order and calling should have power, by faith, to break mountains, to divide the seas, to dry up waters, to turn them out of their course;
31 To put at defiance the armies of nations, to divide the earth, to break every band, to stand in the presence of God; to do all things according to his will, according to his command, subdue principalities and powers; and this by the will of the Son of God which was from before the foundation of the world.

Try redeeming Zion without power and without waiting. By the way, to redeem Zion by definition is to be redeemed from the Fall or in other words, to be brought back into Christ's presence. See Ether 3.

Collectively? Probably. But that doesn’t mean we have to wait to Zion-like principles of we know what they are. And I’m not holding my breathe that this will come from the LDS church.