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Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 9:08 am
by Wolfwoman
Christianlee wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:32 am I heard about this on the Steve Deace show. Since it was southeast Idaho and the person writing Deace about it was from Rexburg, I assumed the LDS Church members were spearheading this. Were members involved in the protest against this stake president’s advice? I hope so.
The article says this:
Local Republican Party leader David Worley, a former Pocatello mayoral candidate and former state Legislature candidate, was also in attendance for the sit-in. He said, “It was inspiring to see Christians of various faith traditions standing together and that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and at least three other churches were present."

So I’m guessing since he said that, the stake president felt a need to come out with a statement “correcting” the church doctrine or policy or whatever.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 9:10 am
by spiritMan
Wolfwoman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 9:08 am
Christianlee wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:32 am I heard about this on the Steve Deace show. Since it was southeast Idaho and the person writing Deace about it was from Rexburg, I assumed the LDS Church members were spearheading this. Were members involved in the protest against this stake president’s advice? I hope so.
The article says this:
Local Republican Party leader David Worley, a former Pocatello mayoral candidate and former state Legislature candidate, was also in attendance for the sit-in. He said, “It was inspiring to see Christians of various faith traditions standing together and that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and at least three other churches were present."

So I’m guessing since he said that, the stake president felt a need to come out with a statement “correcting” the church doctrine or policy or whatever.
Of course, leadership has a habit of throwing members under the bus.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 9:10 am
by dreamtheater76
What part of milstone does this stake president not understand? I'm sure a good number of this Idaho stake will no longer sustain this pedo protector after this incident. These protestors are doing something diligent fighting against evil and protecting children and standing up for the Proclamation to the World: The Family.
This is hitting way below rock bottom.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 9:28 am
by Lizzy60
The Stake President has a Facebook page and it seems quite public.

https://www.facebook.com/cameron.brower.9

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 9:30 am
by Reluctant Watchman
Lizzy60 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 9:28 am The Stake President has a Facebook page and it seems quite public.

https://www.facebook.com/cameron.brower.9
I wonder if this post was in response to this story:

“To be Christlike, a person does justly, behaving honorably with both God and other people. A just person is civil in words and action and recognizes that differences in outlook or belief do not preclude genuine kindness and friendship. Individuals who do justly “will not have a mind to injure one another, but to live peaceably” one with another.

To be Christlike, a person loves mercy. People who love mercy are not judgmental; they manifest compassion for others, especially for those who are less fortunate; they are gracious, kind, and honorable. These individuals treat everyone with love and understanding, regardless of characteristics such as race, gender, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, and tribal, clan, or national differences. These are superseded by Christlike love.”
~ Elder Dale G. Renlund

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 9:32 am
by Reluctant Watchman
This man has an unbalanced viewpoint of what unrighteous vs righteous judgment means IMO.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 9:48 am
by oneClimbs
The Jerusalem Post, A.D. 33: "Local carpenter turned preacher disrupts peaceful commerce at the temple in a violent and hateful rage"

The office of the High Priest of Israel responded: "We did not sanction or support this protest. Our faith does not support divisive or hateful behavior toward our brothers and sisters. We strive to follow the law of Moses and to love one another."

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 9:54 am
by HVDC
dreamtheater76 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 9:02 am
Niemand wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:13 am
Trucker wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:01 am Maybe Drag Queens should be allowed to get married in the temple.
Or officiate.
Not a pretty picture. Ugh!
They think they are pretty.

Mental Illness.

Launches a thousand ships.

To get away.

Sir H, first one on the boat.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 9:59 am
by abijah

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 10:03 am
by CuriousThinker
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 9:30 am
Lizzy60 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 9:28 am The Stake President has a Facebook page and it seems quite public.

https://www.facebook.com/cameron.brower.9
I wonder if this post was in response to this story:

“To be Christlike, a person does justly, behaving honorably with both God and other people. A just person is civil in words and action and recognizes that differences in outlook or belief do not preclude genuine kindness and friendship. Individuals who do justly “will not have a mind to injure one another, but to live peaceably” one with another.

To be Christlike, a person loves mercy. People who love mercy are not judgmental; they manifest compassion for others, especially for those who are less fortunate; they are gracious, kind, and honorable. These individuals treat everyone with love and understanding, regardless of characteristics such as race, gender, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, and tribal, clan, or national differences. These are superseded by Christlike love.”
~ Elder Dale G. Renlund
I love the reply someone made to it.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 10:13 am
by Godislove
CuriousThinker wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 10:03 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 9:30 am
Lizzy60 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 9:28 am The Stake President has a Facebook page and it seems quite public.

https://www.facebook.com/cameron.brower.9
I wonder if this post was in response to this story:

“To be Christlike, a person does justly, behaving honorably with both God and other people. A just person is civil in words and action and recognizes that differences in outlook or belief do not preclude genuine kindness and friendship. Individuals who do justly “will not have a mind to injure one another, but to live peaceably” one with another.

To be Christlike, a person loves mercy. People who love mercy are not judgmental; they manifest compassion for others, especially for those who are less fortunate; they are gracious, kind, and honorable. These individuals treat everyone with love and understanding, regardless of characteristics such as race, gender, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, and tribal, clan, or national differences. These are superseded by Christlike love.”
~ Elder Dale G. Renlund
I love the reply someone made to it.
Can you post the reply here. :)

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 10:17 am
by Reluctant Watchman
Somebody here must have read his post... because you didn't mince words. :)

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 10:18 am
by CuriousThinker
Godislove wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 10:13 am
CuriousThinker wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 10:03 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 9:30 am
Lizzy60 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 9:28 am The Stake President has a Facebook page and it seems quite public.

https://www.facebook.com/cameron.brower.9
I wonder if this post was in response to this story:

“To be Christlike, a person does justly, behaving honorably with both God and other people. A just person is civil in words and action and recognizes that differences in outlook or belief do not preclude genuine kindness and friendship. Individuals who do justly “will not have a mind to injure one another, but to live peaceably” one with another.

To be Christlike, a person loves mercy. People who love mercy are not judgmental; they manifest compassion for others, especially for those who are less fortunate; they are gracious, kind, and honorable. These individuals treat everyone with love and understanding, regardless of characteristics such as race, gender, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, and tribal, clan, or national differences. These are superseded by Christlike love.”
~ Elder Dale G. Renlund
I love the reply someone made to it.
Can you post the reply here. :)
"As for the scribes and Pharisees and Sadducees, Jesus was uncompromising in condemning their hypocrisy. His warnings and commandments were direct: 'Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.' Surely no one would accuse the Savior of not loving these scribes and Pharisees—after all, He suffered and died to save them too. But loving them, He could not let them go on in sin without clearly correcting them. One observer noted, 'Jesus taught his followers to do as he did: to welcome everyone but also to teach about sin, since love demands warning people about what can hurt them.'
Sometimes those who raise a warning voice are dismissed as judgmental. Paradoxically, however, those who claim truth is relative and moral standards are a matter of personal preference are often the same ones who most harshly criticize people who don't accept the current norm of "correct thinking."
Elder D. Todd Christofferson, "A Voice of Warning"

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 10:19 am
by oneClimbs
CuriousThinker wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 10:03 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 9:30 am
Lizzy60 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 9:28 am The Stake President has a Facebook page and it seems quite public.

https://www.facebook.com/cameron.brower.9
I wonder if this post was in response to this story:

“To be Christlike, a person does justly, behaving honorably with both God and other people. A just person is civil in words and action and recognizes that differences in outlook or belief do not preclude genuine kindness and friendship. Individuals who do justly “will not have a mind to injure one another, but to live peaceably” one with another.

To be Christlike, a person loves mercy. People who love mercy are not judgmental; they manifest compassion for others, especially for those who are less fortunate; they are gracious, kind, and honorable. These individuals treat everyone with love and understanding, regardless of characteristics such as race, gender, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, and tribal, clan, or national differences. These are superseded by Christlike love.”
~ Elder Dale G. Renlund
I love the reply someone made to it.
What a lot of people who talk this way seem to miss is the point that we are not hating people by criticizing their ACTIONS. You can have a passionate love for humanity, and yes, young and defenseless children by criticizing behaviors that are intended to indoctrinate them into dangerous and perverse lifestyles and subcultures. We can justly criticize the actions of porn peddlers, child trafficking, grooming, etc. but clearly still have concern for the souls of those who do such things.

I don't need to judge their motives or their hearts, I can simply look at the actions and say that these actions are wrong and should be ceased. To then imply that judging the actions of someone is somehow an expression of hatred or judgement on the individual is at best foolishness and at worst the mark of someone intentionally trying to call evil good and good evil.

Yes, we will not have a mind to injure another and live peaceably, but protecting children is preventing injury, and defending another when they are being violently attacked is attempting to restore peace. Captain Moroni defended his people under violent attacks with violence and he was a man of God worthy of imitation. But we aren't even close to that point, we are simply looking to protect children from being groomed by a perverse subculture. There is zero reason that drag queen culture should be introduced to children unless you are wanting to expose them to high perversion.

It would be like having "Stripper Story Hour" the woman may be fully clothed but you're still introducing a "stripper" so you don't think those kids are going to go and look up "strippers" online or want to see movies about "strippers?" So what happens when they go and look up "drag queen" online? What will they find do you think? What world is that exposing them to? Should we be non-judgmental and introduce this to our primary kids at church?

Those who defend this, like this stake president, are not fools, they know what it is and you should keep them away from your kids.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 10:25 am
by silverado
spiritMan wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 4:44 am https://www.idahostatejournal.com/freea ... 8bf88.html

To hell with these arseholes.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not sanction or support these protests. Our faith does not support divisive or hateful behavior toward our brothers and sisters. We strive to follow the example of Jesus Christ to love one another,” said Cameron D. Brower, Chubbuck Idaho Stake president and the local representative for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in Tuesday's statement."
"...brothers and sisters...love one another..." What are children? Aren't they our brothers and sisters too? Doesn't that SP care about those young brothers and sisters enough to want them protected? Guess not.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 10:42 am
by Trucker
silverado wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 10:25 am
spiritMan wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 4:44 am https://www.idahostatejournal.com/freea ... 8bf88.html

To hell with these arseholes.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not sanction or support these protests. Our faith does not support divisive or hateful behavior toward our brothers and sisters. We strive to follow the example of Jesus Christ to love one another,” said Cameron D. Brower, Chubbuck Idaho Stake president and the local representative for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in Tuesday's statement."
"...brothers and sisters...love one another..." What are children? Aren't they our brothers and sisters too? Doesn't that SP care about those young brothers and sisters enough to want them protected? Guess not.
Maybe this Stake President should read the Bible a little more, and not just GA quotes.

6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 10:46 am
by Robin Hood
spiritMan wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 4:44 am https://www.idahostatejournal.com/freea ... 8bf88.html

To hell with these arseholes.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not sanction or support these protests. Our faith does not support divisive or hateful behavior toward our brothers and sisters. We strive to follow the example of Jesus Christ to love one another,” said Cameron D. Brower, Chubbuck Idaho Stake president and the local representative for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in Tuesday's statement."
I can't access the article because I'm in Europe.
Can you provide some context?
Thanks.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 10:56 am
by Lizzy60
Robin Hood wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 10:46 am
spiritMan wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 4:44 am https://www.idahostatejournal.com/freea ... 8bf88.html

To hell with these arseholes.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not sanction or support these protests. Our faith does not support divisive or hateful behavior toward our brothers and sisters. We strive to follow the example of Jesus Christ to love one another,” said Cameron D. Brower, Chubbuck Idaho Stake president and the local representative for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in Tuesday's statement."
I can't access the article because I'm in Europe.
Can you provide some context?
Thanks.
POCATELLO — East Idaho conservative leaders and members of local Christian churches held a peaceful sit-in to protest the Reading Time with the Queens event at the Marshall Public Library on Saturday.

The Reading Time with the Queens program took place despite the critics in attendance. Instead of reading to actual children and their families, the organizers of Reading Time with the Queens said they delivered their programming to a room full of “adult children.”

“By the time we arrived at the library around 1 p.m. Saturday, a bus chartered by Mountain Valley Baptist Church had unloaded and occupied all of the seats in the meeting room,” said Reading Time with the Queens organizer Joseph Crupper, who goes by the name Miss Cali Je while performing in drag. “It was very clear their intent was to cause trouble, occupy space, and, though not being disruptive according to the library’s policy, be incredibly disruptive to our event in practice.”

According to Eric Suess, the director of the Marshall Public Library, the meeting room at the library has a maximum seating capacity of 40 people. Once the capacity of the room hit that number, those who arrived last were asked to leave.

Those shown the exit were mostly the usual parents and children who attend Reading Time with the Queens while the protesters were allowed to stay, according to Crupper.

“That room has been way more full in the past than it was on Saturday with a room full of homophobes,” Crupper said. “But the library director told everybody who hadn't gotten there first to leave the room. So, we did the program for a bunch of adult children, just not the kids and families that we had set out to make the program for.”

The local Reading Time with the Queens event typically begins with a craft-making session and includes individuals dressed in drag clothing reading books, a song singing portion and a brief sign language lesson, Crupper said. Saturday’s event was no different, aside from those seated in the audience.

Don Whitecar, pastor of Mountain Valley Baptist Church in Pocatello, told the Idaho State Journal on Monday that he and others from his church and other local Christian churches did travel to the Reading Time with the Queens event together on Saturday in a Mountain Valley Baptist Church bus. Whitecar said he attended the event because he finds it to be immoral and a point needed to be made.

“It was totally peaceful and all of our people were polite,” Whitecar said. “Nobody made any rude comments. We're just trying to make a point that we believe that this is an immoral issue that’s using a public building and taxpayer money to promote it and we believe that's wrong.”

He continued, “So we went in and sat down, took up the seats and essentially there wasn't room in there for the children to get in there. What we believe and what the Bible teaches is that what they are doing is a perversion. To invite children into that would be perverting their minds and we stand against that.”

Local Republican Party leader David Worley, a former Pocatello mayoral candidate and former state Legislature candidate, was also in attendance for the sit-in. He said, “It was inspiring to see Christians of various faith traditions standing together and that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and at least three other churches were present."

Worley continued, "The purpose of the sit-in during the Reading Time with the Queens event was to protect children from being exposed to sexual deviancy. This event is also part of a series that seeks to normalize transgenderism, a flawed and immoral combination of radical sex ideology and pseudoscience, which causes irreparable harm to those who undergo its various chemical and surgical procedures. No public institution should be used to promote sexual deviancy and immorality. The innocence of children is sacred and should be protected by our community.”

Worley also said, “It shows that you don't need to agree on every point of doctrine to be united in protecting children from sexual immorality. It was great to see Pastor Whitecar of Mountain Valley Baptist Church personally leading from the front to protect the children of our community."

But The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued a statement Tuesday that took issue with Saturday's sit-in protest and the involvement of some LDS church members.

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not sanction or support these protests. Our faith does not support divisive or hateful behavior toward our brothers and sisters. We strive to follow the example of Jesus Christ to love one another,” said Cameron D. Brower, Chubbuck Idaho Stake president and the local representative for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in Tuesday's statement.

Whitecar confirmed that supporters of MassResistance, a pro-family advocacy group that the Southern Poverty Law Center classifies as an anti-LGBTQ hate group, were also in attendance at Saturday's sit-in.

The Southern Poverty Law Center defines a hate group as "an organization or collection of individuals that — based on its official statements or principles, the statements of its leaders, or its activities — has beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics."

Ron Nate, a former Republican state lawmaker from Rexburg, also participated in the sit-in.

“I don’t understand why drag queens need to have children for an audience,” Nate told the Journal. “It was nice to see Christians of various faiths stand in the gap to protect children. I would hope that Christians all across Idaho will see this as an example of how they can protect children, too.”

Saturday's sit-in also attracted the attention of Pocatello Mayor Brian Blad as well as the local chapter of the NAACP.

In a statement provided to the Journal on Tuesday, Blad said, "I am aware of the protest held over the weekend at the Marshall Public Library, and I appreciate that the participants remained peaceful. However, I want to remind Pocatellans that our Welcoming Resolution states we wish to cultivate a culture of harmony and inclusion and promote understanding and friendship for all citizens and visitors. Pocatello is all-inclusive. As a city, we remain committed to the safety and security of all our citizens."

Pocatello NAACP President Ken Monroe condemned the actions of those who held the sit-in protest, adding, "The NAACP has always worked with these kinds of issues. LGBTQ rights and marriage equality have been topics that we have been involved in before. We look for equal rights and justice for all Americans, not just Black people. This is a great teaching opportunity for families."

Crupper said he will continue to host Reading Time with the Queens in the future, though Saturday's incident has caused some concern for him.

He said part of him wants to continue hosting the weekly event in spite of Saturday's sit-in protest but another part of him doesn’t want to put children in an environment that could become hostile if pro-drag supporters and anti-LGBTQ protestors show up in force and tensions escalate.

“People have floated the idea of our supporters and participants showing up even earlier next go around and I’m just really concerned about the safety of the kids,” Crupper said. “I just foresee this big fight and I don’t want kids in the middle of it.”

Crupper said he is hopeful the library staff will review its policies and procedures and work to expand their level of understanding when it comes to their policy on disruptiveness.

“Their understanding of the policy right now is that disruption is loud, boisterous or violent,” Crupper said. “But if a community group has reserved a public room and they're impeded on using the room by a group of actors, who are clearly intent on making sure that we’re not able to use it, then disruption has taken place.”

Suess says the library’s policies regarding room rentals is publicly available on the Marshall Public Library website, adding that all uses of public meeting rooms must at all times be open to the public.

“The library does not support, advertise or condone the uses of our public meeting rooms. We have no stake in their usage,” Suess said. “This was not a library event and maybe the event did not go off as the organizers would have hoped but we had to maintain the fire code and I had to have some people leave the room so that we could maintain that fire code.”

Suess said he is in the process of getting the maximum room occupancy issue clarified for future public meetings at the library, but as of now the fire code prohibits more than 40 seated people in each of the library’s meeting rooms. Additionally, Suess said those in attendance of Saturday’s Reading Time with the Queens were not being actively disruptive.

While Saturday's Reading Time with the Queens didn't go off quite as planned, Crupper said he won’t stop exhibiting his First Amendment rights and holding what he believes is a positive, uplifting event.

“What happened on Saturday was theater,” Crupper said. “These people do not care about the kids in this community. If they did, they would not have done what they did. They only care about getting rid of the protections that queer people have in our society — our right to exist, to be in the public and to make spaces for ourselves. My recommendation to the library is that they step up, be brave and expand their understanding of what disruptive behavior is.”

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 10:57 am
by Robin Hood
Niemand wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:23 am I would like to point out that many of the middle aged men in the church have breasts already.
🤣🤣🤣

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 11:07 am
by Reluctant Watchman
What in the world is happening Idaho??!!

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 11:14 am
by Trucker
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 11:07 am What in the world is happening Idaho??!!
OMG YASSS! The Relief Society should do one of these!

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 11:24 am
by Wolfwoman
Mandela effect. I must have slipped into a parallel universe different from the one I grew up in. The world I grew up in was against pedophilia and child abuse and 99.9% of churchgoers and decent people were opposed to this kind of thing.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 11:27 am
by mridaho
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 11:07 am What in the world is happening Idaho??!!
Progressive mayors and city council members.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 11:33 am
by h_p
CuriousThinker wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:42 am So, no protests allowed now? Just kumbaya and hold hands and give the world a Coke? We just stand by while bad actors indoctrinate kids? Anything they don't get to do is hate and divisive? The plan of salvation is divisive. Heck, voting is divisive. Do they think Prop 8 wasn't divisive?! What the ?@!
I seriously doubt the church would respond if a group of members did the same kind of protest at, say, a Jordan Peterson speech. These kinds of things only happen in one direction nowadays.

Re: Drag Queen Story hour protected by the Church

Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 11:33 am
by Lizzy60
mridaho wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 11:27 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 11:07 am What in the world is happening Idaho??!!
Progressive mayors and city council members.
Progressive church members voting them in.