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It looks like the Facebook post is back up again.

https://www.facebook.com/cameron.brower.9

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Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:22 pm And once again, it was not his statement. It came from church HQ.
Did he sign it under duress or something? Or does he agree with the sentiment?

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Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:01 pm
LDS Physician wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:56 pm
Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:22 pm
Sunain wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:15 pm
Unfortunately trying to defend the statement by this stake president is a disservice to the faithful members of the church that are trying to stand up for truth and righteousness.
And once again, it was not his statement. It came from church HQ.
Ever consider what you’re doing in a church who’s leaders pushed the vaccines on their followers, saying it’s “safe and effective “ a “godsend “, the “only way” through this pandemic and to “trust” our government health officials… the same church that just made your wonderful friend state something that by your own admission wasn’t his own statement?

You said yourself you’re a right-wing, anti-vaccine conservative. Is the church you cling to getting it right?
They also said to consult your personal physician. My physician did not believe in it. I also know these are humans who can make mistakes. Prophets through the ages, starting with the old testament have made mistakes.
And Nelson himself said that you can trust the brethren completely, and that this POS shot came from God.

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Where did he stand up and support them? I missed that part?

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Lizzy60 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:04 pm It looks like the Facebook post is back up again.

https://www.facebook.com/cameron.brower.9
For posterity:
Thank you for your comments and sharing your feelings and concerns regarding the statement that was made in the Idaho State Journal by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints concerning the recent protest in Pocatello.
Hopefully, I can clarify why the church made the statement.
We know that Church members are encouraged to participate in political and governmental affairs.
Also, Church members who seek elected or appointed public office should not imply that they are endorsed by the Church or its leaders. Leaders and members should also avoid statements or conduct that might be interpreted as Church endorsement of any political party, platform, policy, or candidate.
Unfortunately, the original article in the Idaho State Journal concerning the protest implied that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints endorsed and supported the protest along with other Christian churches which was not true.
The protest consisted of private citizens some of whom happen to be members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and members from other Christian churches.
Because of my role as the priesthood advisor for Communications and Media Relations in the Pocatello Area, my name was attached to the statement which came from church headquarters. Therefore, the Church made the statement for clarification through me, the local representative of the Church.
And yes, I agreed to have my name attached to the statement and to represent the church in this area and concerning this matter.
Once the article was updated, there were some adjustments made to the original article, including the Church’s official statement.
Therefore, it was an official statement from the Church and not just “opinion” of a local stake president.
I strive to follow Jesus Christ and His teachings. I know He is the Savior and Redeemer of the world. I strive to be one with God and one with His Son, Jesus Christ. I strive to follow the two great commandments of loving God and loving my neighbor. I sustain Russell M. Nelson as the living prophet of God at this time and I strive to align myself with he and the members of The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
I sincerely hope this helps and that there can be peace on the matter.
I am not going to comment any further on this matter and will not get into “back and forth” discussions in this feed.
I also reserve the right to remove this post at any point in time I deem necessary, including personal attacks on myself or my family.

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Lizzy60 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:04 pm It looks like the Facebook post is back up again.

https://www.facebook.com/cameron.brower.9
Maybe you could all use your real profiles if you choose to make comments on his page. You wouldn’t want to hide behind what you really believe.

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Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:10 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:04 pm It looks like the Facebook post is back up again.

https://www.facebook.com/cameron.brower.9
Maybe you could all use your real profiles if you choose to make comments on his page. You wouldn’t want to hide behind what you really believe.
:lol:

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h_p wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:05 pm
Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:22 pm And once again, it was not his statement. It came from church HQ.
Did he sign it under duress or something? Or does he agree with the sentiment?
He does not believe in being hateful towards any human, so I’m sure he agrees with the statement.

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:08 pm
Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:01 pm
LDS Physician wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:56 pm
Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:22 pm

And once again, it was not his statement. It came from church HQ.
Ever consider what you’re doing in a church who’s leaders pushed the vaccines on their followers, saying it’s “safe and effective “ a “godsend “, the “only way” through this pandemic and to “trust” our government health officials… the same church that just made your wonderful friend state something that by your own admission wasn’t his own statement?

You said yourself you’re a right-wing, anti-vaccine conservative. Is the church you cling to getting it right?
They also said to consult your personal physician. My physician did not believe in it. I also know these are humans who can make mistakes. Prophets through the ages, starting with the old testament have made mistakes.
And Nelson himself said that you can trust the brethren completely, and that this POS shot came from God.
Numerous current Apostles have told us that when Nelson speaks, he speaks for the Lord. That letter urging the godsend shot was signed by Nelson along with Oaks and Eyring. Heavy implication that he was speaking for God.

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 6:40 pm I still have a hard time believing the church would make a SP put out a statement like that. If what B145 said is correct, and this came from church HQ… by all means, heed my words in the first comment I made. The ship is sinking.
And… I was wrong.

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Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:16 pm
h_p wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:05 pm
Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:22 pm And once again, it was not his statement. It came from church HQ.
Did he sign it under duress or something? Or does he agree with the sentiment?
He does not believe in being hateful towards any human, so I’m sure he agrees with the statement.
How about defending the innocent from drag queen story hour?
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Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:16 pm
h_p wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:05 pm
Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:22 pm And once again, it was not his statement. It came from church HQ.
Did he sign it under duress or something? Or does he agree with the sentiment?
He does not believe in being hateful towards any human, so I’m sure he agrees with the statement.
I believe it is hateful and immoral to host a Drag Queen event for children. I believe it is hateful to take children to such an event. I think it is hateful to support such an event.
We are to judge righteously. We are to protect the most vulnerable, our precious children.

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Lizzy60 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:18 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:08 pm
Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:01 pm
LDS Physician wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:56 pm

Ever consider what you’re doing in a church who’s leaders pushed the vaccines on their followers, saying it’s “safe and effective “ a “godsend “, the “only way” through this pandemic and to “trust” our government health officials… the same church that just made your wonderful friend state something that by your own admission wasn’t his own statement?

You said yourself you’re a right-wing, anti-vaccine conservative. Is the church you cling to getting it right?
They also said to consult your personal physician. My physician did not believe in it. I also know these are humans who can make mistakes. Prophets through the ages, starting with the old testament have made mistakes.
And Nelson himself said that you can trust the brethren completely, and that this POS shot came from God.
Numerous current Apostles have told us that when Nelson speaks, he speaks for the Lord. That letter urging the godsend shot was signed by Nelson along with Oaks and Eyring. Heavy implication that he was speaking for God.
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I used my own revelation and didn’t get it, so I have no reason to be angry.

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spiritMan wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 4:44 am https://www.idahostatejournal.com/freea ... 8bf88.html

To hell with these arseholes.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not sanction or support these protests. Our faith does not support divisive or hateful behavior toward our brothers and sisters. We strive to follow the example of Jesus Christ to love one another,” said Cameron D. Brower, Chubbuck Idaho Stake president and the local representative for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in Tuesday's statement."
Up to now, I've resisted the idea that the Church was in bed with these people (groomers, pedophiles, the popular agenda for 2030). You have opened my eyes. I don't know whether to feel disgusted or just accept it as part of the train wreck the LDS leadership has become. :(

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Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:23 pm
I used my own revelation and didn’t get it, so I have no reason to be angry.
Spend some time reading or listening to their stories. Maybe you’ll understand the hurt and anguish so many people are feeling.

https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/vaccine-reactions

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I see now.
I have been wrong.

I was trying to be funny, not be part of a mob.
This crossed too many lines for me.
I'm walking away from the crowd
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Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:14 am I get that this is just one statement from a presumably “rogue” SP, and we don’t judge the church by the actions of a lone wolf, but in reality, this is what decades of conditioning has created.
Just some more transparency here… I was wrong. Have a great night everybody!

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:26 pm
Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:23 pm
I used my own revelation and didn’t get it, so I have no reason to be angry.
Spend some time reading or listening to their stories. Maybe you’ll understand the hurt and anguish so many people are feeling.

https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/vaccine-reactions
I know this vaccine was harmful to many people. I don’t need to read the stories l, because I know people that it personally effected. My dad passed away from covid and he was vaccinated. You don’t have to educate me. I am well educated about harmful vaccines and I did my own research. I’m sorry for the heartache that was caused to these people, it’s truly devastating.

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spiritMan wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 4:44 am https://www.idahostatejournal.com/freea ... 8bf88.html

To hell with these arseholes.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not sanction or support these protests. Our faith does not support divisive or hateful behavior toward our brothers and sisters. We strive to follow the example of Jesus Christ to love one another,” said Cameron D. Brower, Chubbuck Idaho Stake president and the local representative for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in Tuesday's statement."

to the church -

LOVE !
"YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT LOVE IS ! ! ! -
It's removing this EVIL - this FILTH from our community and classrooms,
and protecting these childrens innocence from these satanic forces.
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Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:31 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:26 pm
Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:23 pm
I used my own revelation and didn’t get it, so I have no reason to be angry.
Spend some time reading or listening to their stories. Maybe you’ll understand the hurt and anguish so many people are feeling.

https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/vaccine-reactions
I know this vaccine was harmful to many people. I don’t need to read the stories l, because I know people that it personally effected. My dad passed away from covid and he was vaccinated. You don’t have to educate me. I am well educated about harmful vaccines and I did my own research. I’m sorry for the heartache that was caused to these people, it’s truly devastating.
I guess I'm just curious if you personally view this peaceful protest to try to protect innocent children as "hateful behavior?"
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Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:01 pm
LDS Physician wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:56 pm
Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:22 pm
Sunain wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 7:15 pm
Unfortunately trying to defend the statement by this stake president is a disservice to the faithful members of the church that are trying to stand up for truth and righteousness.
And once again, it was not his statement. It came from church HQ.
Ever consider what you’re doing in a church who’s leaders pushed the vaccines on their followers, saying it’s “safe and effective “ a “godsend “, the “only way” through this pandemic and to “trust” our government health officials… the same church that just made your wonderful friend state something that by your own admission wasn’t his own statement?

You said yourself you’re a right-wing, anti-vaccine conservative. Is the church you cling to getting it right?
They also said to consult your personal physician. My physician did not believe in it. I also know these are humans who can make mistakes. Prophets through the ages, starting with the old testament have made mistakes.

Wow, aren't you lucky. But what about all those who were not so lucky, but wanted to jump on the opportunity to "exercise their faith"?

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Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:31 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:26 pm
Badgerone45 wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 8:23 pm
I used my own revelation and didn’t get it, so I have no reason to be angry.
Spend some time reading or listening to their stories. Maybe you’ll understand the hurt and anguish so many people are feeling.

https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/vaccine-reactions
I know this vaccine was harmful to many people. I don’t need to read the stories l, because I know people that it personally effected. My dad passed away from covid and he was vaccinated. You don’t have to educate me. I am well educated about harmful vaccines and I did my own research. I’m sorry for the heartache that was caused to these people, it’s truly devastating.
I share this because I have read all of them. Hundreds and hundreds of stories. And guess what? People have shared these with the first presidency. They know it is killing people. And to this day they drum the mantra “safe and effective” “God gave us a vaccine.”

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The post is on the facebook page along with many replies.

The stake president then chose to reply to the replies by saying:

Cameron D. Brower
Thank you for your comments and sharing your feelings and concerns regarding the statement that was made in the Idaho State Journal by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints concerning the recent protest in Pocatello.
Hopefully, I can clarify why the church made the statement.
We know that Church members are encouraged to participate in political and governmental affairs.
Also, Church members who seek elected or appointed public office should not imply that they are endorsed by the Church or its leaders. Leaders and members should also avoid statements or conduct that might be interpreted as Church endorsement of any political party, platform, policy, or candidate.
Unfortunately, the original article in the Idaho State Journal concerning the protest implied that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints endorsed and supported the protest along with other Christian churches which was not true.
The protest consisted of private citizens some of whom happen to be members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and members from other Christian churches.
Because of my role as the priesthood advisor for Communications and Media Relations in the Pocatello Area, my name was attached to the statement which came from church headquarters. Therefore, the Church made the statement for clarification through me, the local representative of the Church.
And yes, I agreed to have my name attached to the statement and to represent the church in this area and concerning this matter.
Once the article was updated, there were some adjustments made to the original article, including the Church’s official statement.
Therefore, it was an official statement from the Church and not just “opinion” of a local stake president.
I strive to follow Jesus Christ and His teachings. I know He is the Savior and Redeemer of the world. I strive to be one with God and one with His Son, Jesus Christ. I strive to follow the two great commandments of loving God and loving my neighbor. I sustain Russell M. Nelson as the living prophet of God at this time and I strive to align myself with he and the members of The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
I sincerely hope this helps and that there can be peace on the matter.
I am not going to comment any further on this matter and will not get into “back and forth” discussions in this feed.
I also reserve the right to remove this post at any point in time I deem necessary, including personal attacks on myself or my family.

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I feel bad for the STK President. Probably a decent man who is just trying to do his duty what he thinks is right, and is worried about his congregations.

Then the media firestorm hits for something he probably didn't know about.

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