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The most shocking thing is that the SP, who was representing the church, stated that this peaceful protest was an act of hatred and that the church considers it inappropriate.

They could have said something to the effect that it was not officially sanctioned and left it at that. But like everything the church seems to do since Nelson, they went the extra mile to show solidarity with the progressive viewpoint.

We are now at a point where the church considers a peaceful protest of a degree of pedophilia in a public institution as hateful and un-Christian.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:23 pm

spiritMan wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 12:48 pm

GeeR wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 12:41 pm I think the Stake President should be picketed by the members!

Looks like he was getting too much heat. The post is now removed. Coward.

Either that, or he was told to remove because he spoke out of turn.
I suspect Church HQ would have preferred him to have kept his mouth shut.

He removed it on his own. No way the Church moves that fast that in a matter of a couple of hours after someone finds his Facebook page to tell him to remove it.

Just not possible and if it is, then the are some people at church HQ keeping tight tabs on this place.

Serragon wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:28 pm The most shocking thing is that the SP, who was representing the church, stated that this peaceful protest was an act of hatred and that the church considers it inappropriate.

They could have said something to the effect that it was not officially sanctioned and left it at that. But like everything the church seems to do since Nelson, they went the extra mile to show solidarity with the progressive viewpoint.

We are now at a point where the church considers a peaceful protest of a degree of pedophilia in a public institution as hateful and un-Christian.

Right. Well he felt the heat of it and backed down real fast after Lizzy found his page....

All these progressives in the church are a bunch of cowards, bring the heat and they evade, fold, back down, run away. Why? Because they don't have the conviction of doing what's right and taking the heat no matter the consequences.

'how about i make u not exist anymore?'

Time is time.

Rev 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed...

spiritMan wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:28 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:23 pm

spiritMan wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 12:48 pm

GeeR wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 12:41 pm I think the Stake President should be picketed by the members!

Looks like he was getting too much heat. The post is now removed. Coward.

Either that, or he was told to remove because he spoke out of turn.
I suspect Church HQ would have preferred him to have kept his mouth shut.

He removed it on his own. No way the Church moves that fast that in a matter of a couple of hours after someone finds his Facebook page to tell him to remove it.

Just not possible and if it is, then the are some people at church HQ keeping tight tabs on this place.

I know this Stake President personally. This statement came from church headquarters and he was asked to put his name on the statement. He is well loved by his stake. You are quoting from the Bible, but then go after his Facebook to try and cause fear to him and his family. Please explain how that is Christ like?

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:54 pm

spiritMan wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:28 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:23 pm

spiritMan wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 12:48 pm
Looks like he was getting too much heat. The post is now removed. Coward.

Either that, or he was told to remove because he spoke out of turn.
I suspect Church HQ would have preferred him to have kept his mouth shut.

He removed it on his own. No way the Church moves that fast that in a matter of a couple of hours after someone finds his Facebook page to tell him to remove it.

Just not possible and if it is, then the are some people at church HQ keeping tight tabs on this place.

I know this Stake President personally. This statement came from church headquarters and he was asked to put his name on the statement. He is well loved by his stake. You are quoting from the Bible, but then go after his Facebook to try and cause fear to him and his family. Please explain how that is Christ like?

Hi President Brower!

I'm so glad you came to join us . . .isn't it wonderful how you can avoid all aspect of personal responsibility all while believing you are the one in the right! It's great, liberating even. You can most certainly just claim you were "following orders" but we all know that ain't gonna fly when you stand before God and Christ and give an accounting of your stewardship.

You can cut the "well loved by his stake" crap . . .that's what all the leaders say when they have made horrible decisions and instead of just accepting responsibility, apologizing and repenting do. They are so "well loved" by their stake that it absolves them of any wrong-doing.

When you stand in front of the Savior, neither of those excuses are going to matter one bit.

Haha!! I guarantee president brower doesn’t have time to be a part of this group. But you can continue to assume what you would like.

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:54 pm

spiritMan wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:28 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:23 pm

spiritMan wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 12:48 pm
Looks like he was getting too much heat. The post is now removed. Coward.

Either that, or he was told to remove because he spoke out of turn.
I suspect Church HQ would have preferred him to have kept his mouth shut.

He removed it on his own. No way the Church moves that fast that in a matter of a couple of hours after someone finds his Facebook page to tell him to remove it.

Just not possible and if it is, then the are some people at church HQ keeping tight tabs on this place.

You are quoting from the Bible, but then go after his Facebook to try and cause fear to him and his family. Please explain how that is Christ like?

You are a leader, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Weak leaders hide behind weak words such as "cause fear to him and his family".

Not a single person has even remotely threatened physical violence against you. They simply expose you for what you are . . . a weak, sniveling, coward who would rather persecute Christians who sit reading the Bible than calling perverse men who prey upon children to repentance.

Shoes on the other foot, bud. You can't take the heat. But I guarantee you any one of those Christians you persecute for reading a Bible silently would absolutely go to the mat for Christ. They are the ones who would rather be eaten by lions than see children abused. You run and hide when someone tells you that you'll stand accountable before God at the last day for your cowardice.

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:54 pm
I know this Stake President personally. This statement came from church headquarters and he was asked to put his name on the statement.

I'll play along. How do you know that came from HQ?

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:54 pm

spiritMan wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:28 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 4:23 pm

spiritMan wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 12:48 pm
Looks like he was getting too much heat. The post is now removed. Coward.

Either that, or he was told to remove because he spoke out of turn.
I suspect Church HQ would have preferred him to have kept his mouth shut.

He removed it on his own. No way the Church moves that fast that in a matter of a couple of hours after someone finds his Facebook page to tell him to remove it.

Just not possible and if it is, then the are some people at church HQ keeping tight tabs on this place.

I know this Stake President personally. This statement came from church headquarters and he was asked to put his name on the statement. He is well loved by his stake. You are quoting from the Bible, but then go after his Facebook to try and cause fear to him and his family. Please explain how that is Christ like?

I have no doubt he is a very nice and pleasant man. I have no doubt that most in the stake do love him, and that he has great love for most of his stake.

But he chose to put his name on that evil statement. He chose to call those who peacefully protested this filth "hateful" and "divisive", many of which were probably in his stake. He chose to allow the church leaders to speak for him instead of speaking for himself. He chose to defend pedophilia, transgenderism, and the grooming of children instead of supporting those in his stake who were using their civil rights to peacefully protest something evil.

So yes.. calling out someone who claims to represent God in his Stake is Christ like. It is exactly what Christ did to the Jewish leaders when they used their positions and authority to lead astray those they had stewardship over. When they taught their own man-made principles in place of those of Christ.

Hopefully he has learned an important lesson here.

Trucker wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 11:14 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 11:07 am What in the world is happening Idaho??!!

OMG YASSS! The Relief Society should do one of these!

It's just like Primary!!!!

https://at.tumblr.com/nerdygaymormon/me ... vmccmoiwx0

The Reading Time with the Queens program began with a craft-making session, then individuals dressed in drag read books, followed by a song singing portion and a brief sign language lesson. Sounds absolutely delightful and perfect for children. In fact, sounds pretty similar to the LDS Church’s Primary organization doing singing & sharing time, but led by drag queens.

I am a close friend of president brower. I don’t believe anyone from his stake was in attendance. There were those in attendance that claimed to be officially representing the church, and that was not a true statement. President Brower was asked by church HQ to issue that statement as he has been asked to be the PR rep for this area. There have been many assumptions made in this group without having all of the facts. I believe not one person in this group would want assumptions and judgments made against them without having all the facts.

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:26 pm I am a close friend of president brower. I don’t believe anyone from his stake was in attendance. There were those in attendance that claimed to be officially representing the church, and that was not a true statement. President Brower was asked by church HQ to issue that statement as he has been asked to be the PR rep for this area. There have been many assumptions made in this group without having all of the facts. I believe not one person in this group would want assumptions and judgments made against them without having all the facts.

What we know for a fact is that Pres Brower signed his name to a statement that accused the protestors of DIVISIVE and HATEFUL behavior.

This was in response to a peaceful protest of an event that went against the protestors’ deeply-held religious beliefs.

What country does he think we live in — communist China?

I wasn’t there, so I cannot say if it was divisive or not. Were you in attendance? Church HQ must’ve felt it was divisive from the reports they received. But once again this is also an assumption.

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:26 pm I am a close friend of president brower. I don’t believe anyone from his stake was in attendance. There were those in attendance that claimed to be officially representing the church, and that was not a true statement. President Brower was asked by church HQ to issue that statement as he has been asked to be the PR rep for this area. There have been many assumptions made in this group without having all of the facts. I believe not one person in this group would want assumptions and judgments made against them without having all the facts.

It is even worse if the LDS Church told him to do it. What an indictment of LDS Church leaders who are enabling LGBT behavior instead of condemning sinful behavior. And they call themselves prophets? Their tens of billions of dollars has corrupted them completely.

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:26 pm I am a close friend of president brower. I don’t believe anyone from his stake was in attendance. There were those in attendance that claimed to be officially representing the church, and that was not a true statement. President Brower was asked by church HQ to issue that statement as he has been asked to be the PR rep for this area. There have been many assumptions made in this group without having all of the facts. I believe not one person in this group would want assumptions and judgments made against them without having all the facts.

Please present the facts then, show where the assumptions are wrong. Did he say what he was quoted as saying or not? If not, what did he really say? Was the protest peaceful or not? Were people protesting a drag queen story hour for children or not?

There were those in attendance that claimed to be officially representing the church

I do not believe this. I could see, there were some in attendance who claimed they were members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. But I highly doubt any of them claimed to "officially" represent the Church. I call BS on that one.

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:34 pm I wasn’t there, so I cannot say if it was divisive or not. Were you in attendance? Church HQ must’ve felt it was divisive from the reports they received. But once again this is also an assumption.

BS. "Reports" in other words the leftist, perverts in the Church who advocate for all manner of wickedness in the Church, I. E. the LGBTQ+ crowd made up a bunch of BS "reports" to complain against

Put up our shut up.

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:34 pm I wasn’t there, so I cannot say if it was divisive or not. Were you in attendance? Church HQ must’ve felt it was divisive from the reports they received. But once again this is also an assumption.

Bunch of cowards, you have to protect your little special interest groups and look good to the world.

For real dude. Sick pedos dressed like women vs Christians against this and you side with the pedophiles!!!

It's so laughable.

silverado wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:38 pm

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:26 pm I am a close friend of president brower. I don’t believe anyone from his stake was in attendance. There were those in attendance that claimed to be officially representing the church, and that was not a true statement. President Brower was asked by church HQ to issue that statement as he has been asked to be the PR rep for this area. There have been many assumptions made in this group without having all of the facts. I believe not one person in this group would want assumptions and judgments made against them without having all the facts.

Please present the facts then, show where the assumptions are wrong. Did he say what he was quoted as saying or not? If not, what did he really say? Was the protest peaceful or not? Were people protesting a drag queen story hour for children or not?

I guess you will need to contact church HQ if you want to know why they issued this statement. Maybe you could start with your own local Stake President with your concerns.

spiritMan wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:44 pm

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:34 pm I wasn’t there, so I cannot say if it was divisive or not. Were you in attendance? Church HQ must’ve felt it was divisive from the reports they received. But once again this is also an assumption.

BS. "Reports" in other words the leftist, perverts in the Church who advocate for all manner of wickedness in the Church, I. E. the LGBTQ+ crowd made up a bunch of BS "reports" to complain against

Put up our shut up.

Have you met with your local leaders to discuss your concerns? I would not have attended this event nor would have President Brower. I feel the church is very clear on their stance with gay marriage etc. but we are asked to love our neighbor.

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:34 pm I wasn’t there, so I cannot say if it was divisive or not. Were you in attendance? Church HQ must’ve felt it was divisive from the reports they received. But once again this is also an assumption.

I'd say grown men prancing around with their genitals hanging out in front of children, is divisive. People quietly and respectfully (according to the article, and Mayor) trying to stop such events, isn't?

The picture attached was taken at another "inclusive" event for children. Defend this crap?

Allowing this abomination and discouraging those who are against it is not loving your neighbor. Allowing children to be exposed to this filth is not loving your neighbor. Loving loving your neighbor does not mean anything goes.

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:48 pm

silverado wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:38 pm

Badgerone45 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 5:26 pm I am a close friend of president brower. I don’t believe anyone from his stake was in attendance. There were those in attendance that claimed to be officially representing the church, and that was not a true statement. President Brower was asked by church HQ to issue that statement as he has been asked to be the PR rep for this area. There have been many assumptions made in this group without having all of the facts. I believe not one person in this group would want assumptions and judgments made against them without having all the facts.

Please present the facts then, show where the assumptions are wrong. Did he say what he was quoted as saying or not? If not, what did he really say? Was the protest peaceful or not? Were people protesting a drag queen story hour for children or not?

I guess you will need to contact church HQ if you want to know why they issued this statement. Maybe you could start with your own local Stake President with your concerns.

right- great place to start!!

What's the point in telling your local leaders? You'll only get a bollocking for complaining about what Boyd K. Packer talked about in General Conference.