An Apron?

[Shawn Henry]

The apron is a representation of trying to cover our sins by the works of our hands. Remember, Lucifer instructs A&E to “hide” and make aprons with earthly (fig leaves) things. It’s the exact opposite of what the Savior asks of us. He instructs us to “come unto Him” and by faith be cleansed. Everyone goes to the veil wearing the apron. It is the only item that is not white. Nothing will be hidden from God.

But why take a Satanic apron to the veil? Shouldn't we try to first rid ourselves of any satanic investments before coming to Christ? Are we to believe Christ wants us wearing Satan's apron when we pierce the veil?

[BigT]

Unfortunately, the endowment is largely a bunch of nonsense; truly a few truths heavily mingled with the teachings of men and Gadiantons know as freemasonry.

D&C 66:2

Verily I say unto you, blessed are you for receiving mine everlasting covenant, even the fulness of my gospel, sent forth unto the children of men, that they might have life and be made partakers of the glories which are to be revealed in the last days, as it was written by the prophets and apostles in days of old.

The Lord is speaking to William McLellin, a fairly new member who’d just days before had been given the Melchizedek Priesthood. The Lord commended him for “receiving mine everlasting covenant, even the fullness of my gospel…” How much fuller can the fullness be? The fuller fullness?

As to the apron itself, I noticed that in the most recent endowment-wording change (how many does that make?), they dropped the part where Satan explains what his own green apron represents. Likely because there are too many Mormons waking up to the truth of what they’ve been conditioned to accept.

[Mindfields]

Masonry

[TheDuke]

there is no white clothes or green apron in masonry.......... It has been a long, long time since I was in a masonic temple/lodge. I'm never a mason but my mom got a job when I was young, maybe 12 as a janitor for the masonic temple in our area. I was old enough to work with here for a lower price per hour, so they let me. There was nothing hidden to us. And it there is nothing there like the apron from the endowment. Now, I never heard or saw any rituals, so I don't know what they did. BTW the big room looked exactly like the Kirkland temple.

Did you notice the apron is the only non-white or non-pure clothing? It represents getting back from this telestial sphere and Adam's transgression.

Someone asked why we wear it to the veil. Interesting that I have posted several times that Joseph had to simplify his endowment due to time and space constraints and we make only one trip to the veil, where in the progression we would have made many separate trips to the veil and each entering into a more inner sanctum or higher level. Each time we would be different and clothed differently. But, it is simplified in this endowment story.

The order is a bit messed up as a result. and it is assumed we must be "endowed with power" to see god again. This is figuratively true as described by Bushman in his treatise of Joseph's life and how Joseph sought to find a way to lead the saints in his day to see the Lord's face. But, not in the final endowment which is not about getting to the Lord in 1843, but after life. Here we are already in the celestial and then go to the inner sanctum from there. There is very little in Joseph's teachings about the second level of CK, the endowment tries to put something around that. To me it seems like a filler between being a CK citizen and begin a god in the third or highest level.

It is only by Jesus' offering that we can purify ourselves and eventually leave the apron behind, and be pure and symbolicly all white.

[Robin Hood]

It's important to remember we are Adam and Eve as far as the endowment rite is concerned

So, if we are Adam and Eve, why don't we do as they did and don coats of skins like the Savior made? Instead, we don an apron, like Satan recommended.

The under garment represents the coat of skins. This is explained in the endowment narration.

[Shawn Henry]

It's important to remember we are Adam and Eve as far as the endowment rite is concerned

So, if we are Adam and Eve, why don't we do as they did and don coats of skins like the Savior made? Instead, we don an apron, like Satan recommended.

The under garment represents the coat of skins. This is explained in the endowment narration.

Yes, indeed, which we are already wearing, so why take Satan's apron to the veil? If our nakedness was already covered by the Lord, why two different symbologies for the same thing?

[Shawn Henry]

There was nothing hidden to us.

A very funny statement in and of itself. Sounds a little like Rumsfeld: We don't know what we don't know.

Of course, we see nothing hidden, that's the definition of being hidden. No need to differentiate between being hidden poorly and being hidden well.

How would anyone even know what the men at the very top speak of when it is only they themselves who are present.

That's the difference between God and Satan, God tells you upfront that he has hidden mysteries that are open to all who seek him. Satan doesn't tell you and never will until you've made the right blood oaths.

[TheDuke]

There was nothing hidden to us.

A very funny statement in and of itself. Sounds a little like Rumsfeld: We don't know what we don't know.

Of course, we see nothing hidden, that's the definition of being hidden. No need to differentiate between being hidden poorly and being hidden well.

How would anyone even know what the men at the very top speak of when it is only they themselves who are present.

That's the difference between God and Satan, God tells you upfront that he has hidden mysteries that are open to all who seek him. Satan doesn't tell you and never will until you've made the right blood oaths.

I guess I will take your word for it as I have never personally made an oath with Satan. But, I know many people doing Satan's bidding and they haven't a clue, or much is hidden from them, it appears, not that they have oathed to him either.

[Niemand]

there is no white clothes or green apron in masonry.......... It has been a long, long time since I was in a masonic temple/lodge. I'm never a mason but my mom got a job when I was young, maybe 12 as a janitor for the masonic temple in our area. I was old enough to work with here for a lower price per hour, so they let me. There was nothing hidden to us. And it there is nothing there like the apron from the endowment. Now, I never heard or saw any rituals, so I don't know what they did. BTW the big room looked exactly like the Kirkland temple.

Did you notice the apron is the only non-white or non-pure clothing? It represents getting back from this telestial sphere and Adam's transgression.

Someone asked why we wear it to the veil. Interesting that I have posted several times that Joseph had to simplify his endowment due to time and space constraints and we make only one trip to the veil, where in the progression we would have made many separate trips to the veil and each entering into a more inner sanctum or higher level. Each time we would be different and clothed differently. But, it is simplified in this endowment story.

The order is a bit messed up as a result. and it is assumed we must be "endowed with power" to see god again. This is figuratively true as described by Bushman in his treatise of Joseph's life and how Joseph sought to find a way to lead the saints in his day to see the Lord's face. But, not in the final endowment which is not about getting to the Lord in 1843, but after life. Here we are already in the celestial and then go to the inner sanctum from there. There is very little in Joseph's teachings about the second level of CK, the endowment tries to put something around that. To me it seems like a filler between being a CK citizen and begin a god in the third or highest level.

It is only by Jesus' offering that we can purify ourselves and eventually leave the apron behind, and be pure and symbolicly all white.

They may not have a green apron but they certainly do have an apron. I have a close friend who is an inactive Mason and he has shown me some of his gear.



Royal Black Preceptory

[Thinker]

BY seemed to contribute a lot towards Freemasonry secret combinations…



“ The first five Latter-day prophets were Freemasons. Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, and Lorenzo Snow all were members of the fraternity. All joined while living with the Saints in Nauvoo. Brigham Young wearing a Mason pin on his shirt. 2. Joseph Smith joined the Masons in Nauvoo in March 1842...

In the evening I received the first degree in Freemasonry in the Nauvoo Lodge." (History of the Church, by Joseph Smith, Deseret Book, 1978, Vol.4, Ch.32, p.550-1.) Smith was raised to the third degree of master mason "on sight" by Grand Master Jonas of the Grand Lodge of Illinois. "I was with the Masonic Lodge and rose to the sublime degree."





Masonic Apron 1813 - before the upside down pentagram was placed on Lds temples - it was known to represent evil.



“The upside down pentagram on the above right would also represent the lack of nobility, purity and spiritual quality.” https://www.gnosticwarrior.com/masonic-apron.html

^
The fact that there are clear Satanic elements in the church does not mean it’s 100% satanic, only that we shouldn’t blindly accept it all as if all of it is godly when it isn’t.

Strange to think how possibly a church posing to be God’s but is actually satanic is MORE deceptive/evil than an openly satanic organization. How many people are subtly persuaded by evil disguised as “good” or even as “God’s.” And to top it off, pride in being deceived into thinking such evil ways were most righteous… prevents them from correcting course, & thus dams them - holding them back.

[TheDuke]

there is no white clothes or green apron in masonry.......... It has been a long, long time since I was in a masonic temple/lodge. I'm never a mason but my mom got a job when I was young, maybe 12 as a janitor for the masonic temple in our area. I was old enough to work with here for a lower price per hour, so they let me. There was nothing hidden to us. And it there is nothing there like the apron from the endowment. Now, I never heard or saw any rituals, so I don't know what they did. BTW the big room looked exactly like the Kirkland temple.

Did you notice the apron is the only non-white or non-pure clothing? It represents getting back from this telestial sphere and Adam's transgression.

Someone asked why we wear it to the veil. Interesting that I have posted several times that Joseph had to simplify his endowment due to time and space constraints and we make only one trip to the veil, where in the progression we would have made many separate trips to the veil and each entering into a more inner sanctum or higher level. Each time we would be different and clothed differently. But, it is simplified in this endowment story.

The order is a bit messed up as a result. and it is assumed we must be "endowed with power" to see god again. This is figuratively true as described by Bushman in his treatise of Joseph's life and how Joseph sought to find a way to lead the saints in his day to see the Lord's face. But, not in the final endowment which is not about getting to the Lord in 1843, but after life. Here we are already in the celestial and then go to the inner sanctum from there. There is very little in Joseph's teachings about the second level of CK, the endowment tries to put something around that. To me it seems like a filler between being a CK citizen and begin a god in the third or highest level.

It is only by Jesus' offering that we can purify ourselves and eventually leave the apron behind, and be pure and symbolicly all white.

They may not have a green apron but they certainly do have an apron. I have a close friend who is an inactive Mason and he has shown me some of his gear.



Royal Black Preceptory

good images. No white clothes and robes. All black. the apron was white, probably to show against the black. Nothing like LDS. plus Satan says the images on the apron, not the apron itself represent his power and his priesthoods. There are no images on the LDS apron. Just (if anything these days) embroidered leaf outlines.

There isn't anything Satanic in the endowment, perhaps except those things Satan copied and does in parallel. My example is Nibley's stuff about the prayer circle in ancient times. It isn't unique to the Lord, but is an example used by Pagans and Satanists, and not religious venues as well.

[harakim]

It's important to remember we are Adam and Eve as far as the endowment rite is concerned

Well, I lean towards thinking it's important to remember that Satan instructed them to do something and they did it ... likely something that we, Adam, and Eve probably shouldn't do.

We can't just whitewash the story though. That's what happened. If you want to be part of the performance, then you have to do your part. IF you want to be a part of the performance, that is.

[zionbuilder]

Masonry was founded on ancient Egyptian teaching ...of which Abraham shared mysteries with Pharaoh and his priests. If anything, the truth Abraham first taught and instructed was diluted when it was passed down and infiltrated by those who would seek to hide their works. It has always happened, it will continue to happen. It would be more true, I think, to say that freemasonry was a copycat, and Joseph Smith recognized truth within and asked for more revelation from God on the matter. Those who seek to say it's not his Church, have benefited and come to your truths with it's teaching. The church is not a millennial construct...it's telestial. It's purpose is to bring you to Christ. You would have them teach deeper doctrine and put at jeopardy those who are not prepared or ready for meat. The church is doing it's part at teaching the milk....the gospel of repentance. The church of the firstborn is for those who have prepared themselves, stretching themselves upon their own cross, to be One with Him. Believe it or not....but there are people who are comfortable and happy with a telestial glory....and it's not for lack of teaching. We are each on our own rounds, and play significant parts within each other's lives...and his timing is perfect. Even he, has fully committed to redeem his bride who has gone whoring, and to marry the bride of his youth that he sent a bill of divorcement. You jump ship....and instead of shining your light for those in the dark, you darken it with your spirit or contention and turn from that path which brought you to where you are in your own personal understanding.

All mistakes in my writing are due to Swype....my nemesis

[zionbuilder]

Also....each side has to be equally represented, with enough "facts" to be believable....otherwise it's not really a choice, and not acting in faith. That's why we're to seek revelation and the spirit of discernment. Because lots of spirits are willing to speak and teach.

[Hogmeister]

Masonry was founded on ancient Egyptian teaching ...of which Abraham shared mysteries with Pharaoh and his priests. If anything, the truth Abraham first taught and instructed was diluted when it was passed down and infiltrated by those who would seek to hide their works. It has always happened, it will continue to happen. It would be more true, I think, to say that freemasonry was a copycat, and Joseph Smith recognized truth within and asked for more revelation from God on the matter. Those who seek to say it's not his Church, have benefited and come to your truths with it's teaching. The church is not a millennial construct...it's telestial. It's purpose is to bring you to Christ. You would have them teach deeper doctrine and put at jeopardy those who are not prepared or ready for meat. The church is doing it's part at teaching the milk....the gospel of repentance. The church of the firstborn is for those who have prepared themselves, stretching themselves upon their own cross, to be One with Him. Believe it or not....but there are people who are comfortable and happy with a telestial glory....and it's not for lack of teaching. We are each on our own rounds, and play significant parts within each other's lives...and his timing is perfect. Even he, has fully committed to redeem his bride who has gone whoring, and to marry the bride of his youth that he sent a bill of divorcement. You jump ship....and instead of shining your light for those in the dark, you darken it with your spirit or contention and turn from that path which brought you to where you are in your own personal understanding.

All mistakes in my writing are due to Swype....my nemesis

When you study Gnostisism it becomes rather clear that Freemasonry is a copycat.

Gnostisism is a corrupt form of ancient Christianity - The anti-christian secret Jewish societies tried to destroy Christianity as murdering Christ proved to be not enough. They still hate Christianity as they believe Christ was an impostor and a fraud. They tried to destroy Christianity by creating Gnosticism using fables and some of their own mysticism. And they continue to this day. Freemasons are for the most part useful idiots for more secret anti-christian societies.

16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

[Lemarque]

Could it be because actually the Endowment is (and always has been) just a bunch of bumbling around, stabbing in the dark, based mostly on personal opinions and paradigms mingled with scripture, rather than any clear revelation?

in my view, one of the clearest signs of just where things stand is how many times now the Church has tweaked the endowment, with no end in sight.

Do we really think that a perfect God would engage in this much tweaking of His own endowment?

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[LDS Physician]

It's important to remember we are Adam and Eve as far as the endowment rite is concerned

Well, I lean towards thinking it's important to remember that Satan instructed them to do something and they did it ... likely something that we, Adam, and Eve probably shouldn't do.

We can't just whitewash the story though. That's what happened. If you want to be part of the performance, then you have to do your part. IF you want to be a part of the performance, that is.

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Apologies!

[Luke]

Could it be because actually the Endowment is (and always has been) just a bunch of bumbling around, stabbing in the dark, based mostly on personal opinions and paradigms mingled with scripture, rather than any clear revelation?

in my view, one of the clearest signs of just where things stand is how many times now the Church has tweaked the endowment, with no end in sight.

Do we really think that a perfect God would engage in this much tweaking of His own endowment?

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The Temple was always talking about Christ, but just like with the Old Testament, it wasn’t supposed to be explicit. It was for the spiritually minded to discern.

2 Nephi 11
4 Behold, my soul delighteth in proving unto my people the truth of the coming of Christ; for, for this end hath the law of Moses been given; and all things which have been given of God from the beginning of the world, unto man, are the typifying of him.

[harakim]

It's important to remember we are Adam and Eve as far as the endowment rite is concerned

Well, I lean towards thinking it's important to remember that Satan instructed them to do something and they did it ... likely something that we, Adam, and Eve probably shouldn't do.

We can't just whitewash the story though. That's what happened. If you want to be part of the performance, then you have to do your part. IF you want to be a part of the performance, that is.

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Apologies!

Adam and Eve put on the apron. You are playing Adam and Eve, so you put on the apron. It's not that you're playing the part of a perfect person, you're playing the part of them. If you want to be a part of the LDS Endowment performance, that's what you do. No judgment good or bad for the performance or for deciding to go against it. This is just the way it is.

[Silver Pie]

Why are we wearing aprons in the temple?

I think we wear them because it represents the fact that we are sinners and need repentance and Jesus Christ.

[Niemand]

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The Samaritans, their canon and its significance

Samaritans at Passover


Samaritan high priests – note green and white. The red hats originated under Islam.

[Thinker]

When you study Gnostisism it becomes rather clear that Freemasonry is a copycat.

Gnostisism is a corrupt form of ancient Christianity - The anti-christian secret Jewish societies tried to destroy Christianity as murdering Christ proved to be not enough. They still hate Christianity as they believe Christ was an impostor and a fraud. They tried to destroy Christianity by creating Gnosticism using fables and some of their own mysticism. And they continue to this day. Freemasons are for the most part useful idiots for more secret anti-christian societies…

It is becoming increasingly apparent that Freemasonry (which Mormon temple endowment etc is based) is “Luciferian.” Like most lower tier lds members, I’d guess most lower tier Freemason members are also clueless about evil in higher places.

How is Freemasonry copying Gnosticism?
I’ve never heard that & if you have any more info explaining that, I’d appreciate it.

Admittedly, I have a lot more to learn, but what I’ve gathered so far is that Rome/Catholicism was the great corruptor of Christianity & Catholic leaders opposed Gnosticism. I disagree with some Gnostic teachings - like discounting the body as evil - yet Jesus kinda did this when he said, “Let the dead bury the dead.” But much of it seemed to be opposite of evil Jewish & Catholic focus on the letter of the law. Gnosticism seems to focus (maybe to a fault) on the Spirit of the law, as Christ did.

My impression is also that Gnosticism preceded Christianity - and that it was the original Christianity which influenced Jesus/Yeshua, along with Buddhism.

“…the late first century and early second century, in which the foundations of Gnostic traditions were laid at the same time that the New Testament was being written…”

I read that Gnostics originally viewed Christ as a Spirit. And indeed, Christ is not Jesus’s/Yeshua’s last name, but what he became & urged us to follow him & become…

According to Gnostic teaching, "To know Christ was not in any sense to have knowledge about the 'historical man of flesh and blood' but rather to be personally related to the mythical heavenly being who liberates humanity from historical concerns" (Lee, p 20).

[abijah]

When you study Gnostisism it becomes rather clear that Freemasonry is a copycat.

Gnostisism is a corrupt form of ancient Christianity - The anti-christian secret Jewish societies tried to destroy Christianity as murdering Christ proved to be not enough. They still hate Christianity as they believe Christ was an impostor and a fraud. They tried to destroy Christianity by creating Gnosticism using fables and some of their own mysticism. And they continue to this day. Freemasons are for the most part useful idiots for more secret anti-christian societies…

It is becoming increasingly apparent that Freemasonry (which Mormon temple endowment etc is based) is “Luciferian.” Like most lower tier lds members, I’d guess most lower tier Freemason members are also clueless about evil in higher places.

How is Freemasonry copying Gnosticism?
I’ve never heard that & if you have any more info explaining that, I’d appreciate it.

Admittedly, I have a lot more to learn, but what I’ve gathered so far is that Rome/Catholicism was the great corruptor of Christianity & Catholic leaders opposed Gnosticism. I disagree with some Gnostic teachings - like discounting the body as evil - yet Jesus kinda did this when he said, “Let the dead bury the dead.” But much of it seemed to be opposite of evil Jewish & Catholic focus on the letter of the law. Gnosticism seems to focus (maybe to a fault) on the Spirit of the law, as Christ did.

My impression is also that Gnosticism preceded Christianity - and that it was the original Christianity which influenced Jesus/Yeshua, along with Buddhism.

“…the late first century and early second century, in which the foundations of Gnostic traditions were laid at the same time that the New Testament was being written…”

I read that Gnostics originally viewed Christ as a Spirit. And indeed, Christ is not Jesus’s/Yeshua’s last name, but what he became & urged us to follow him & become…

According to Gnostic teaching, "To know Christ was not in any sense to have knowledge about the 'historical man of flesh and blood' but rather to be personally related to the mythical heavenly being who liberates humanity from historical concerns" (Lee, p 20).

Hogmeister is right imo. Gnosticism pervades freemasonry and its ideology as well as similar institutions and societies. Its a disincarnated copy and an attempted re-fabrication of Christianity, only minus the "Christ". The gnostic worldview is very much an antichristian one. It definitely came afterwards, but this is a total moot point anyways considering how both Christianity and it's gnostic reactionaries are in reality just new faces/names for more ancient systems. 'Christianity' literally precedes Creation itself whereas 'gnosticism' is just repackaged watcher doctrine, the regurgitation of fallen angel teachings from ancient times. Just my 0.02

Edit: there are undeniable gnostic flavors to the church and it's temple ceremonies. "gnosis" literally means "knowledge", and our whole worldview of how 'it was the right thing for Adam & Eve to eat the fruit' is very much in-line with the Luciferian claim that knowledge at the price of trusting God is the right way to go.

[Ciams]

Could it be because actually the Endowment is (and always has been) just a bunch of bumbling around, stabbing in the dark, based mostly on personal opinions and paradigms mingled with scripture, rather than any clear revelation?

in my view, one of the clearest signs of just where things stand is how many times now the Church has tweaked the endowment, with no end in sight.

Do we really think that a perfect God would engage in this much tweaking of His own endowment?

Sigh.
Line upon line isn't a thing?
Here a little (for one generation) there a little (for another).

I can certainly address my concerns with the modification of the endowment over time. There is no doubt in my mind that we've lost much of the meaning and depth over time.

But the INTENT is to endow people with power through covenants which point them to Christ and to become like him through those covenants. That's always been the main goal. Other aspects of it over time have been modified for reasons known fully to God and his prophets, but I have struggled over this issue and have peace with it. Most, if not all, are not ready to go to the temple. Most if not all, take many many trips to fully understand it. Most, if not all church members are impatient.

God and his servants can work with them and lead them along -- here a little, there a little. Or He can judge them and cut them off for loving the world more than God. I prefer the former pattern if it's possible in the Lord's timeframe.

This idea that everything has to be set in stone and perfect for all time exact as it was is an old false notion. New wine, new bottles. I think if I cling to some very tight interpretations of scriptures (While ignoring others) I can make whatever case I want against various changes over the years. And I have received some very profound, visionary revelations regarding the temple that I will share with no one outside my immediate family under no circumstances. But the truth of the temple is there. The new "tweaking" is done specifically to address the blindness of this generation. It's done in love and compassion. There's no point to building temples across the world and confusing people who have hardened their hearts and receive a little persecution and abandon their covenants. So the temple is adjusted over time as the needs of each generation needs to be met. The point of the covenants drawing us to become like the Lord and receive his glory and participate in his eternal plan -- that has not changed.

[tmac]

So your perspective is that truth is actually being added to the Endowment, line upon line, rather than being taken away?

All these changes are just part of God’s plan from the beginning, to eventually perfect the Endowment little by little? I just want to clarify, is that what you’re saying?

Heavy sigh — just for the fun of it.