My Truth, Your Truth, Our Truth

[Enoch]

My Truth, Your Truth, Our Truth

This is my current understanding of what truth and how God shares it with us.

God’s voice is spirit - his spirit is truth - truth is light - light is spirit - even the spirit of Christ

D&C88:66
66 Behold, that which you hear is as the voice of one crying in the wilderness—in the wilderness, because you cannot see him—my voice, because my voice is Spirit; my Spirit is truth; truth abideth and hath no end; and if it be in you it shall abound.

D&C 84
45 For the word of the Lord is truth, and whatsoever is truth is light, and whatsoever is light is Spirit, even the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

God gives us truth by his spirit

D&C 18:35-36
35 For it is my voice which speaketh them unto you; for they are given by my Spirit unto you, and by my power you can read them one to another; and save it were by my power you could not have them;
36 Wherefore, you can testify that you have heard my voice, and know my words. -

Spirit communicates to spirit

Doctrine and Covenants 50:21
21 Therefore, why is it that ye cannot understand and know, that he that receiveth the word by the Spirit of truth receiveth it as it is preached by the Spirit of truth?

When the voice of the spirit speaks it becomes, scripture, mind, word, voice and power of God unto salvation + and his authority + it is real, discernible and good

Dc68
3 And this is the aensample unto them, that they shall bspeak as they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost.
4 And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the aHoly Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the bpower of God unto salvation.
5 Behold, this is the promise of the Lord unto you, O ye my servants.

1 Nephi 10
[22] And the Holy Ghost giveth authority that I should speak these things, and deny them not.

Alma 32
[35] O then, is not this real? I say unto you, Yea, because it is light; and whatsoever is light, is good, because it is discernible, therefore ye must know that it is good; and now behold, after ye have tasted this light is your knowledge perfect?

Things of the spirit have to spiritually discerned

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

God enlightens the mind by the spirit of Truth.

DC 76
10 For by my aSpirit will I benlighten them

Doctrine and Covenants 6:15
15 Behold, thou knowest that thou hast inquired of me and I did enlighten thy mind; and now I tell thee these things that thou mayest know that thou hast been enlightened by the Spirit of truth;

The spirit bears fruit - it changes our state of being

Ephesians 5
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control.

As we gain light and truth we will abandon the evil one. Disobedience and tradition takes away light and truth.

36 The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.
37 Light and truth forsake that evil one.
38 Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.
39 And that wicked one cometh and taketh away light and truth, through disobedience, from the children of men, and because of the tradition of their fathers.

We have a spirit of truth with in us

23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is aSpirit, even the Spirit of truth;

Truth is knowledge of things as they are, are and are to come - I believe this implies change or accommodation

24 And atruth is bknowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;

If we keep the commandments we will be taught until we know all things - there is progress, its not given all in one stroke - because our own individual levels of growth, our amount of knowledge, capacity to accept and live that truth, our biases etc.

28 He that akeepeth his commandments receiveth btruth and clight, until he is glorified in truth and dknoweth all things.

Relative truths exists, we are taught at each step as we grow - till we all come to maturity
At 5 a truth for you was don’t touch the stove - At 12 you can use the stove sparingly - At 18 please cook dinner
Just like a family you can’t give a 5 year old the same agency as you give a 18 year old they each live different truth -

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

The light of truth is called Intelligence - light (spark of life) and truth(spirit) makes an Intelligence

29 Man was also in the abeginning with God. bIntelligence, or the clight of dtruth, was not ecreated or made, neither indeed can be.

Truth is lives independent in each sphere of growth - agency allows for the attainment of different levels of truth

30 All truth is independent in that asphere in which God has placed it, to bact for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.

The farther in your journey with God — if diligent and humble — the more truth has been acquired - Light varies in brightness - we grow into truth as it shines brighter and brighter upon us

DC 50
24 That which is of God is alight; and he that breceiveth clight, and dcontinueth in God, receiveth more elight; and that light groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day.
25 And again, verily I say unto you, and I say it that you may know the atruth, that you may chase darkness from among you;

Truth is adjusted to the capacity of the weakest - is fasting a truth or is it just a fact that’s true - The principal has to be adjusted according to the strength of the person. Principle a fundamental truth that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior - truth principles with promises

DC 89
3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.

Truth sets you free who are the most free - telestial Terrestrial or Celestial beings?

John 8:31-32
“If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

Angels bring the word of God

2 Nephi 32
[2] Do ye not remember that I said unto you that after ye had received the Holy Ghost ye could speak with the tongue of angels? And now, how could ye speak with the tongue of angels save it were by the Holy Ghost?
[3] Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.


Moroni 7
[22] For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting, behold, he sent angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing.
[25] Wherefore, by the ministering of angels, and by every word which proceeded forth out of the mouth of God, men began to exercise faith in Christ; and thus by faith, they did lay hold upon every good thing; and thus it was until the coming of Christ.
[29] And because he hath done this, my beloved brethren, have miracles ceased? Behold I say unto you, Nay; neither have angels ceased to minister unto the children of men.

Truth

1. Principals with promise adapted to the capacity or the weakest
2. Truth is knowledge of thing as the were, are and will be
3. Truth is light = spirit = real = good
4. Enlightens the mind
5. If aligned with truth it can change your state of being positively
6. If not aligned you feel it difficult, hard to swallow
7. Truth is given by the spirit
8. Truth is taught by the spirit and received by the spirit
9. Angels minister truth - they don't stop

[Thinker]

…The farther in your journey with God — if diligent and humble — the more truth has been acquired - Light varies in brightness - we grow into truth as it shines brighter and brighter upon us

DC 50
24 That which is of God is alight; and he that breceiveth clight, and dcontinueth in God, receiveth more elight; and that light groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day.
25 And again, verily I say unto you, and I say it that you may know the atruth, that you may chase darkness from among you;

Truth is adjusted to the capacity of the weakest - is fasting a truth or is it just a fact that’s true - The principal has to be adjusted according to the strength of the person. Principle a fundamental truth that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior - truth principles with promises

DC 89
3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.

Truth sets you free who are the most free - telestial Terrestrial or Celestial beings?…

Celestial would be more able to handle more truths, thus more free.

What are the factors that facilitate one being able to handle truth?
Humility?
Slap of reality - pain?
Curiosity?
Desire for understanding, having felt soothed by understanding before?

Is this true…?

• “Only when compassion is present will people allow themselves to see the truth.” - A.H. Almaas

I don’t think compassion is a definite requirement - pain seems to inspire more openness to truth, especially to try to understand the source of the pain. In some circumstances, Eg., an addict/prideful/abuser who is in denial, “compassion” may be enabling & actually harmful not helpful. But maybe for people who are already humbled & open to see truth, I can see how compassion as in empathy for where they’re coming from - may help build with more truth.

[Thinker]

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Shout out to you, Brother!
Considering a recent conversation, thought of you regarding this topic.

“ Re: My Truth, Your Truth, Our Truth”

[Gadianton Slayer]

…

Shout out to you, Brother!
Considering a recent conversation, thought of you regarding this topic.

“ Re: My Truth, Your Truth, Our Truth”

Heheh.

[creator]

Truth is adjusted to the capacity of the weakest - is fasting a truth or is it just a fact that’s true - The principal has to be adjusted according to the strength of the person. ...
Truth

1. Principals with promise adapted to the capacity or the weakest
2. Truth is knowledge of thing as the were, are and will be
3. Truth is light = spirit = real = good ...

Not necessarily disagreeing but hopefully adding to the things you've written..

Just adding that truth is truth, but commandments and application of principles are adapted for each of us personally, or even for societies and peoples in different times periods, according to our/their current level of development. Different laws will be given to a society of beings that are telestial vs terrestrial vs celestial, etc.

I wouldn't necessarily say that the truth is adjusted but our understanding of it changes, or how the truth is presented to us can change based on our current circumstances and perspective. There are fundamental natural laws and principles that always exist but their application can be different for different levels of progression (i.e. celestial vs terrestrial vs telestial, or your progression from one stage of mortal life to another).

A Stove / Fire is a good example to demonstrate this. The truth and natural laws about Fire and heat are always the same. A baby and toddler will be commanded not to touch the stove because it will burn them. As they get older they will be commanded differently according to their capability of interacting with the stove / fire (they can still get burned but now are capable of utilizing the stove / fire without being burned). And then there are concepts beyond our current level of progression, such as that a celestial being will not be burned by fire because it's part of their nature.

[TheDuke]

I'm not sure it is as simple as saying "truth is truth"? I see the concept of layers of truth, getting more accurate/precise as you go up the ladder. I can see the elephant style, where you see a piece of truth but the real truth is still obscured by darkness. The latter is an issue because it would appear that truth changes, i.e. trunk vs. tusk, contradicting itself, until you see the entire elephant.

For me the complexity that comes in is when truth seems to contradict truth. As the Lord teaches me new things, sometimes, and the most difficult to accept, is when the new truth contradicts what I knew, yet I know the old truth is still valid. Much of Joseph's teachings of exaltation, turn around what are true, but lower level truths.

One more thing to consider. At least for me. Is that we don't really ever learn truth. To me it seems we remember truths that we once knew. Perhaps we learn, i.e. ingest deeper, truths that we thought we knew before but couldn't deeply comprehend w/o our mortal bodies in this telestial sphere? Some learn more here as they were more prepared; as more things we learn here will better us in the next life (per JS).

[Shawn Henry]

I'm not sure it is as simple as saying "truth is truth"? I see the concept of layers of truth, getting more accurate/precise as you go up the ladder. I can see the elephant style, where you see a piece of truth but the real truth is still obscured by darkness. The latter is an issue because it would appear that truth changes, i.e. trunk vs. tusk, contradicting itself, until you see the entire elephant.

For me the complexity that comes in is when truth seems to contradict truth. As the Lord teaches me new things, sometimes, and the most difficult to accept, is when the new truth contradicts what I knew, yet I know the old truth is still valid. Much of Joseph's teachings of exaltation, turn around what are true, but lower level truths.

One more thing to consider. At least for me. Is that we don't really ever learn truth. To me it seems we remember truths that we once knew. Perhaps we learn, i.e. ingest deeper, truths that we thought we knew before but couldn't deeply comprehend w/o our mortal bodies in this telestial sphere? Some learn more here as they were more prepared; as more things we learn here will better us in the next life (per JS).

That's one way to justify the Nauvoo secret teachings in darkness.

In the beginning, Joseph teaches openly, and God provides witnesses. In the end, Joseph teaches secretly, and God provides no witnesses.

[TheDuke]

I'm not sure it is as simple as saying "truth is truth"? I see the concept of layers of truth, getting more accurate/precise as you go up the ladder. I can see the elephant style, where you see a piece of truth but the real truth is still obscured by darkness. The latter is an issue because it would appear that truth changes, i.e. trunk vs. tusk, contradicting itself, until you see the entire elephant.

For me the complexity that comes in is when truth seems to contradict truth. As the Lord teaches me new things, sometimes, and the most difficult to accept, is when the new truth contradicts what I knew, yet I know the old truth is still valid. Much of Joseph's teachings of exaltation, turn around what are true, but lower level truths.

One more thing to consider. At least for me. Is that we don't really ever learn truth. To me it seems we remember truths that we once knew. Perhaps we learn, i.e. ingest deeper, truths that we thought we knew before but couldn't deeply comprehend w/o our mortal bodies in this telestial sphere? Some learn more here as they were more prepared; as more things we learn here will better us in the next life (per JS).

That's one way to justify the Nauvoo secret teachings in darkness.

In the beginning, Joseph teaches openly, and God provides witnesses. In the end, Joseph teaches secretly, and God provides no witnesses.

seems plenty of witnesses, I guess to believe them you need the spirit as Jesus says about mysteries.

Or it could be levels, like heaven & hell being multiple degrees of glory; born again, meaning really being born again vs. just spirit for Pharisees; or you can literally choose to be a child of god or Satan; or Adam really wasn't molded dirt; or you can be saved by grace all by itself w/o doing anything; or thou shalt not kill but it was ok for Nephi Capt Moroni, Mormon et al.; or Jesus was lying about teaching in parables to hide secrets from the masses; or life is tough because misery always was happiness because the wealthy abusers really aren't happy; or Moses was right about the eye-for-an-eye thingy and turning the other cheek is absurd; god really does want all non-Hebrew's killed along with their animals; list could go on about how what is one truth is overlapped by what would be considered an untruth or opposite at a higher level. But, never mind all truth is how you personally see it and everyone else is following untruth.

[Ymarsakar]

My Truth, Your Truth, Our Truth

This is my current understanding of what truth and how God shares it with us.

God’s voice is spirit - his spirit is truth - truth is light - light is spirit - even the spirit of Christ

D&C88:66
66 Behold, that which you hear is as the voice of one crying in the wilderness—in the wilderness, because you cannot see him—my voice, because my voice is Spirit; my Spirit is truth; truth abideth and hath no end; and if it be in you it shall abound.

D&C 84
45 For the word of the Lord is truth, and whatsoever is truth is light, and whatsoever is light is Spirit, even the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

God gives us truth by his spirit

D&C 18:35-36
35 For it is my voice which speaketh them unto you; for they are given by my Spirit unto you, and by my power you can read them one to another; and save it were by my power you could not have them;
36 Wherefore, you can testify that you have heard my voice, and know my words. -

Spirit communicates to spirit

Doctrine and Covenants 50:21
21 Therefore, why is it that ye cannot understand and know, that he that receiveth the word by the Spirit of truth receiveth it as it is preached by the Spirit of truth?

When the voice of the spirit speaks it becomes, scripture, mind, word, voice and power of God unto salvation + and his authority + it is real, discernible and good

Dc68
3 And this is the aensample unto them, that they shall bspeak as they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost.
4 And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the aHoly Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the bpower of God unto salvation.
5 Behold, this is the promise of the Lord unto you, O ye my servants.

1 Nephi 10
[22] And the Holy Ghost giveth authority that I should speak these things, and deny them not.

Alma 32
[35] O then, is not this real? I say unto you, Yea, because it is light; and whatsoever is light, is good, because it is discernible, therefore ye must know that it is good; and now behold, after ye have tasted this light is your knowledge perfect?

Things of the spirit have to spiritually discerned

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

God enlightens the mind by the spirit of Truth.

DC 76
10 For by my aSpirit will I benlighten them

Doctrine and Covenants 6:15
15 Behold, thou knowest that thou hast inquired of me and I did enlighten thy mind; and now I tell thee these things that thou mayest know that thou hast been enlightened by the Spirit of truth;

The spirit bears fruit - it changes our state of being

Ephesians 5
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control.

As we gain light and truth we will abandon the evil one. Disobedience and tradition takes away light and truth.

36 The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.
37 Light and truth forsake that evil one.
38 Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.
39 And that wicked one cometh and taketh away light and truth, through disobedience, from the children of men, and because of the tradition of their fathers.

We have a spirit of truth with in us

23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is aSpirit, even the Spirit of truth;

Truth is knowledge of things as they are, are and are to come - I believe this implies change or accommodation

24 And atruth is bknowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;

If we keep the commandments we will be taught until we know all things - there is progress, its not given all in one stroke - because our own individual levels of growth, our amount of knowledge, capacity to accept and live that truth, our biases etc.

28 He that akeepeth his commandments receiveth btruth and clight, until he is glorified in truth and dknoweth all things.

Relative truths exists, we are taught at each step as we grow - till we all come to maturity
At 5 a truth for you was don’t touch the stove - At 12 you can use the stove sparingly - At 18 please cook dinner
Just like a family you can’t give a 5 year old the same agency as you give a 18 year old they each live different truth -

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

The light of truth is called Intelligence - light (spark of life) and truth(spirit) makes an Intelligence

29 Man was also in the abeginning with God. bIntelligence, or the clight of dtruth, was not ecreated or made, neither indeed can be.

Truth is lives independent in each sphere of growth - agency allows for the attainment of different levels of truth

30 All truth is independent in that asphere in which God has placed it, to bact for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.

The farther in your journey with God — if diligent and humble — the more truth has been acquired - Light varies in brightness - we grow into truth as it shines brighter and brighter upon us

DC 50
24 That which is of God is alight; and he that breceiveth clight, and dcontinueth in God, receiveth more elight; and that light groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day.
25 And again, verily I say unto you, and I say it that you may know the atruth, that you may chase darkness from among you;

Truth is adjusted to the capacity of the weakest - is fasting a truth or is it just a fact that’s true - The principal has to be adjusted according to the strength of the person. Principle a fundamental truth that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior - truth principles with promises

DC 89
3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.

Truth sets you free who are the most free - telestial Terrestrial or Celestial beings?

John 8:31-32
“If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

Angels bring the word of God

2 Nephi 32
[2] Do ye not remember that I said unto you that after ye had received the Holy Ghost ye could speak with the tongue of angels? And now, how could ye speak with the tongue of angels save it were by the Holy Ghost?
[3] Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.


Moroni 7
[22] For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting, behold, he sent angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing.
[25] Wherefore, by the ministering of angels, and by every word which proceeded forth out of the mouth of God, men began to exercise faith in Christ; and thus by faith, they did lay hold upon every good thing; and thus it was until the coming of Christ.
[29] And because he hath done this, my beloved brethren, have miracles ceased? Behold I say unto you, Nay; neither have angels ceased to minister unto the children of men.

Truth

1. Principals with promise adapted to the capacity or the weakest
2. Truth is knowledge of thing as the were, are and will be
3. Truth is light = spirit = real = good
4. Enlightens the mind
5. If aligned with truth it can change your state of being positively
6. If not aligned you feel it difficult, hard to swallow
7. Truth is given by the spirit
8. Truth is taught by the spirit and received by the spirit
9. Angels minister truth - they don't stop

U created an entite epistemology around knowledge via holy spirit. Nice work.

As a critique sound and light were fractaled from spirit the energy. Those 3 may be all kinds of energy. Spirit at least cannot be destroyed.

[Ymarsakar]

…The farther in your journey with God — if diligent and humble — the more truth has been acquired - Light varies in brightness - we grow into truth as it shines brighter and brighter upon us

DC 50
24 That which is of God is alight; and he that breceiveth clight, and dcontinueth in God, receiveth more elight; and that light groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day.
25 And again, verily I say unto you, and I say it that you may know the atruth, that you may chase darkness from among you;

Truth is adjusted to the capacity of the weakest - is fasting a truth or is it just a fact that’s true - The principal has to be adjusted according to the strength of the person. Principle a fundamental truth that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior - truth principles with promises

DC 89
3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.

Truth sets you free who are the most free - telestial Terrestrial or Celestial beings?…

Celestial would be more able to handle more truths, thus more free.

What are the factors that facilitate one being able to handle truth?
Humility?
Slap of reality - pain?
Curiosity?
Desire for understanding, having felt soothed by understanding before?

Is this true…?

• “Only when compassion is present will people allow themselves to see the truth.” - A.H. Almaas

I don’t think compassion is a definite requirement - pain seems to inspire more openness to truth, especially to try to understand the source of the pain. In some circumstances, Eg., an addict/prideful/abuser who is in denial, “compassion” may be enabling & actually harmful not helpful. But maybe for people who are already humbled & open to see truth, I can see how compassion as in empathy for where they’re coming from - may help build with more truth.

Since it is 2023 and thr veil is disappearing but not yet it is easy to discern. Take their decisions in 2020 21 and 22. See how well thry scored. Did they cave to authority? Did they speak out against injistice genocide? Did thry claim theit sovereignty? How early did they do it?

Just look at their test grades. Those going to a higher kingdom will have thr highest scores.

[Cruiserdude]

…The farther in your journey with God — if diligent and humble — the more truth has been acquired - Light varies in brightness - we grow into truth as it shines brighter and brighter upon us


Truth is adjusted to the capacity of the weakest - is fasting a truth or is it just a fact that’s true - The principal has to be adjusted according to the strength of the person. Principle a fundamental truth that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior - truth principles with promises


Truth sets you free who are the most free - telestial Terrestrial or Celestial beings?…

Celestial would be more able to handle more truths, thus more free.

What are the factors that facilitate one being able to handle truth?
Humility?
Slap of reality - pain?
Curiosity?
Desire for understanding, having felt soothed by understanding before?

Is this true…?

• “Only when compassion is present will people allow themselves to see the truth.” - A.H. Almaas

I don’t think compassion is a definite requirement - pain seems to inspire more openness to truth, especially to try to understand the source of the pain. In some circumstances, Eg., an addict/prideful/abuser who is in denial, “compassion” may be enabling & actually harmful not helpful. But maybe for people who are already humbled & open to see truth, I can see how compassion as in empathy for where they’re coming from - may help build with more truth.

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Just look at their test grades. Those going to a higher kingdom will have thr highest scores...

Or in other words......

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[Ymarsakar]

Celestial would be more able to handle more truths, thus more free.

What are the factors that facilitate one being able to handle truth?
Humility?
Slap of reality - pain?
Curiosity?
Desire for understanding, having felt soothed by understanding before?

Is this true…?

• “Only when compassion is present will people allow themselves to see the truth.” - A.H. Almaas

I don’t think compassion is a definite requirement - pain seems to inspire more openness to truth, especially to try to understand the source of the pain. In some circumstances, Eg., an addict/prideful/abuser who is in denial, “compassion” may be enabling & actually harmful not helpful. But maybe for people who are already humbled & open to see truth, I can see how compassion as in empathy for where they’re coming from - may help build with more truth.

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Just look at their test grades. Those going to a higher kingdom will have thr highest scores...

Or in other words......

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

I know people refer to that a lot but in our modern reality it is a mere metaphor now. Not all of us are growing fruits.

Some have disconnected from the matrix via off grid living or no longer believing in the matrix moon landing religion of scientism. But anothet may be like naomi or malone, fighting against thr powers of darkness in ephesians 6 12.

Many people got the answer to the mrna test at least second hand. Meaning they figured out the answer after others told them or they copied the answer. They had another chance in 2022 ukraine. Nobody knew the right answer not even me at least who wrote in english. Nobody could tell the truth because tyrants censored russian sources and also me.

Did they get the answer correct? There are only so many tests before the final burning.

Religion and the bible is also no exception. People will be tested on that as well. All their results are tallied under the divine counsel of the godhead. This is not a process done by human mortals trans or military. This is above the surface qabal govs.

People say the qabal is in ppwer. That is not true. They are as ants before the might of the heavens after 2012.

I wrote about the specific grading on my substack. But in general people do get higher grades rendering service to all of humanity.

I do not know how many mormon lds believed in rfk s anti wax stuff in 2019. I knew the truth due to watching conspiracy circles like flat eart theory 1st enoch dna tampering and spiritual foresight. But it is not something i talked about at fast testimony or eq or amongst the saints or anyone else. Online i mentioned it yes but nobody agreed in 2019. They did not even know the government had injury claim court and immunity to liability.

So copying the answers from rfk is not a test pass. It is not really passing the test on ur own merits.

1 thing humanity can be grateful to the qabal for is that theit existence proves the existence of god almost. And it gives humanity an easy way to measure god s power. Not via thr bible or scriptures. Not through hearsay or prophets or authorities. Just via personak experience anf gauging it on their senses. They are beginning to understanf the shadow powers.

[Thinker]

Truth is adjusted to the capacity of the weakest - is fasting a truth or is it just a fact that’s true - The principal has to be adjusted according to the strength of the person. ...
Truth

1. Principals with promise adapted to the capacity or the weakest
2. Truth is knowledge of thing as the were, are and will be
3. Truth is light = spirit = real = good ...

Not necessarily disagreeing but hopefully adding to the things you've written..

Just adding that truth is truth, but commandments and application of principles are adapted for each of us personally, or even for societies and peoples in different times periods, according to our/their current level of development. Different laws will be given to a society of beings that are telestial vs terrestrial vs celestial, etc.

I wouldn't necessarily say that the truth is adjusted but our understanding of it changes, or how the truth is presented to us can change based on our current circumstances and perspective. There are fundamental natural laws and principles that always exist but their application can be different for different levels of progression (i.e. celestial vs terrestrial vs telestial, or your progression from one stage of mortal life to another).

A Stove / Fire is a good example to demonstrate this. The truth and natural laws about Fire and heat are always the same. A baby and toddler will be commanded not to touch the stove because it will burn them. As they get older they will be commanded differently according to their capability of interacting with the stove / fire (they can still get burned but now are capable of utilizing the stove / fire without being burned). And then there are concepts beyond our current level of progression, such as that a celestial being will not be burned by fire because it's part of their nature.

Excellent stove analogy - might borrow it sometime.

As Moses & Socrates suggested, what we know is so so little compared to all there is to know. There may be objective, unchanging truth that governs spiritual and physical laws, and we may understand some - but there’s much more we have yet to learn.

Focus seems like everything. First and foremost, the truth of our own spiritual and physical beings need focus because without spirit (motivation) and health - we cease. This is why I tell atheists their faith is counterproductive. Agnosticism may be purely logical, but it too lacks common sense that suggests we absolutely need faith - motivation - ideas that keep us excited to live and thrive! Yet, it’s not easy to balance between looking at truths - good & bad… & focusing on what motivates.

“How can a man of consciousness have the slightest respect for himself?

I swear, gentlemen, that to be too conscious is an illness--a real thorough-going illness.”
- Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Notes from Underground

^That type of consciousness may be focused too much on negatives, which can produce “true” negative effects. So again, I think that focus is a major part that determines what we perceive as truth.

[Thinker]

... Just look at their test grades. Those going to a higher kingdom will have thr highest scores...

So copying the answers from rfk is not a test pass. It is not really passing the test on ur own merits…

I sense that the test for some of us is how well we treat those who didn’t do so well on certain other tests. This has been a challenge!

Who does much 100% on their own merits? If I ever need humbling, I consider how so many people , spirits & God have contributed to my blessings, including knowledge/power.

[Subcomandante]

Truth is very well defined in Doctrine and Covenants:

The things that were
The things that are
The things that will be.

The Bible says the following:

There is one Lord. There is one faith. There is one baptism.

All of this truth, is from the Lord.

There is not "your own truth." If there were such a thing, we would have not one truth but eight billion of them.

The Book of Mormon states that the author of confusion is the devil himself.

[Thinker]

…There is not "your own truth." If there were such a thing, we would have not one truth but eight billion of them.

The Book of Mormon states that the author of confusion is the devil himself.

And for all time, religion has had a lot of confusion. Ideas of God have often been so wrong! Jacob dared wrestle with what he thought was true about God & for that courage to wrestle with that confusion, he was renamed IsRaEl. Evil may be significantly refusing to wrestle with such uncomfortable confusion and instead settle with comforting lies.

To claim there is only 1 truth, not 8 billion sounds great in theory but is not what actually happens. How you see truth of God is unique from anyone else - even unique from your own family who may have grown up in the same church. To suggest that it’s all the same may be to negate the purpose of this life - to spend time separate from the eternal divine connection - to experience mortality & thereby learn and grow.

[Cruiserdude]

…There is not "your own truth." If there were such a thing, we would have not one truth but eight billion of them.

The Book of Mormon states that the author of confusion is the devil himself.

And for all time, religion has had a lot of confusion. Ideas of God have often been so wrong! Jacob dared wrestle with what he thought was true about God & for that courage to wrestle with that confusion, he was renamed IsRaEl. Evil may be significantly refusing to wrestle with such uncomfortable confusion and instead settle with comforting lies.

To claim there is only 1 truth, not 8 billion sounds great in theory but is not what actually happens. How you see truth of God is unique from anyone else - even unique from your own family who may have grown up in the same church. To suggest that it’s all the same may be to negate the purpose of this life - to spend time separate from the eternal divine connection - to experience mortality & thereby learn and grow.

There is only one 'truth', and it's eternal, and it exists independent of all of us and our mortal probationary periods... though many do have their own personal and individual experiences with this eternal 'truth'.... That's kinda how I'm seeing this whole 'truth thing, currently at the moment.
Clear as mud

[TheDuke]

…There is not "your own truth." If there were such a thing, we would have not one truth but eight billion of them.

The Book of Mormon states that the author of confusion is the devil himself.

And for all time, religion has had a lot of confusion. Ideas of God have often been so wrong! Jacob dared wrestle with what he thought was true about God & for that courage to wrestle with that confusion, he was renamed IsRaEl. Evil may be significantly refusing to wrestle with such uncomfortable confusion and instead settle with comforting lies.

To claim there is only 1 truth, not 8 billion sounds great in theory but is not what actually happens. How you see truth of God is unique from anyone else - even unique from your own family who may have grown up in the same church. To suggest that it’s all the same may be to negate the purpose of this life - to spend time separate from the eternal divine connection - to experience mortality & thereby learn and grow.

There is only one 'truth', and it's eternal, and it exists independent of all of us and our mortal probationary periods... though many do have their own personal and individual experiences with this eternal 'truth'.... That's kinda how I'm seeing this whole 'truth thing, currently at the moment.
Clear as mud

food for thought on your comments. I see that what you said is correct "true".

However, truth in the D&C is defined as a "knowledge of ...." our knowledge changes. The facts don't change and are eternal and constant; but our knowledge does differ. Also, our knowledge may evolve or allow different perception. Therefore, if truth is the knowledge of things, it does change and is different for each person. I think we often confuse "facts" or "reality" with "truth". I think of court. When you promise to say the truth, it means to say what you feel the real facts are. Often one person's truth is different than another persons, it doesn't make them untrue.

[Cruiserdude]

And for all time, religion has had a lot of confusion. Ideas of God have often been so wrong! Jacob dared wrestle with what he thought was true about God & for that courage to wrestle with that confusion, he was renamed IsRaEl. Evil may be significantly refusing to wrestle with such uncomfortable confusion and instead settle with comforting lies.

To claim there is only 1 truth, not 8 billion sounds great in theory but is not what actually happens. How you see truth of God is unique from anyone else - even unique from your own family who may have grown up in the same church. To suggest that it’s all the same may be to negate the purpose of this life - to spend time separate from the eternal divine connection - to experience mortality & thereby learn and grow.

There is only one 'truth', and it's eternal, and it exists independent of all of us and our mortal probationary periods... though many do have their own personal and individual experiences with this eternal 'truth'.... That's kinda how I'm seeing this whole 'truth thing, currently at the moment.
Clear as mud

food for thought on your comments. I see that what you said is correct "true".

However, truth in the D&C is defined as a "knowledge of ...." our knowledge changes. The facts don't change and are eternal and constant; but our knowledge does differ. Also, our knowledge may evolve or allow different perception. Therefore, if truth is the knowledge of things, it does change and is different for each person. I think we often confuse "facts" or "reality" with "truth". I think of court. When you promise to say the truth, it means to say what you feel the real facts are. Often one person's truth is different than another persons, it doesn't make them untrue.

Right it's why I don't normally get caught up in these discussions. Most understand things properly but simply speak past each other with different terminology, due to ignorance or due to ego.

[Ymarsakar]

... Just look at their test grades. Those going to a higher kingdom will have thr highest scores...

So copying the answers from rfk is not a test pass. It is not really passing the test on ur own merits…

I sense that the test for some of us is how well we treat those who didn’t do so well on certain other tests. This has been a challenge!

Who does much 100% on their own merits? If I ever need humbling, I consider how so many people , spirits & God have contributed to my blessings, including knowledge/power.

The holy spirit must have told you so peter. To paraphrase a bible line.

I see people talking about pure bloods and how they are better than the sheeple. I tell em that they were the ones laughing at me and conspiracy theotists in 2006 anf 2016 and 2019. Tends to refocus people. There but for the grace of god go the lemmings down a cliff.

There is always someone below our spiritual level and someone higher. Infinite progression. Also purebloods dont exist. Satan edited human dna long time ago. Oops spoiler.

To understand this matrix reality first understand that heyl el created the duality rules. The howling confusion is intentional. U r not in the kingdom of god almighty. U r in yhr kingdoms of satan and on earth aka hell satans arr the gods. That was true until 2012 plus at least.

The howling does as babel does. Divie perceptions up and many languages. Like an optical illusion. 6 looks like 9 from the other side of north.

Each person creates theit own reality via quantum observation. Anf our local shared reality is so created. These are thr occult hidden knowledge that the qabal uses against humans.

[TheDuke]

There is only one 'truth', and it's eternal, and it exists independent of all of us and our mortal probationary periods... though many do have their own personal and individual experiences with this eternal 'truth'.... That's kinda how I'm seeing this whole 'truth thing, currently at the moment.
Clear as mud

food for thought on your comments. I see that what you said is correct "true".

However, truth in the D&C is defined as a "knowledge of ...." our knowledge changes. The facts don't change and are eternal and constant; but our knowledge does differ. Also, our knowledge may evolve or allow different perception. Therefore, if truth is the knowledge of things, it does change and is different for each person. I think we often confuse "facts" or "reality" with "truth". I think of court. When you promise to say the truth, it means to say what you feel the real facts are. Often one person's truth is different than another persons, it doesn't make them untrue.

Right it's why I don't normally get caught up in these discussions. Most understand things properly but simply speak past each other with different terminology, due to ignorance or due to ego.

NO, your comments were very valid and spot on. I just wanted to point out that sometimes, what we think is untruth is really another or lower truth and it is ok, ,that is why we're here. I think of the truths in Jesus' parables and allegories.

Many here, including myself, wonder why others get a testimony by the spirit of things we know are incorrect. We then assume they are deceived, but perhaps they see another aspect or perspective on the same truth, even when the appear to disagree. But, sometimes people are just wrong, but I feel it is better to assume they have another truth, unless their truth destroys or puts down or hurts or is intended to hurt someone, then I feel it is ok to attack their truth. IMO.

[Cruiserdude]

food for thought on your comments. I see that what you said is correct "true".

However, truth in the D&C is defined as a "knowledge of ...." our knowledge changes. The facts don't change and are eternal and constant; but our knowledge does differ. Also, our knowledge may evolve or allow different perception. Therefore, if truth is the knowledge of things, it does change and is different for each person. I think we often confuse "facts" or "reality" with "truth". I think of court. When you promise to say the truth, it means to say what you feel the real facts are. Often one person's truth is different than another persons, it doesn't make them untrue.

Right it's why I don't normally get caught up in these discussions. Most understand things properly but simply speak past each other with different terminology, due to ignorance or due to ego.

NO, your comments were very valid and spot on. I just wanted to point out that sometimes, what we think is untruth is really another or lower truth and it is ok, ,that is why we're here. I think of the truths in Jesus' parables and allegories.

Many here, including myself, wonder why others get a testimony by the spirit of things we know are incorrect. We then assume they are deceived, but perhaps they see another aspect or perspective on the same truth, even when the appear to disagree. But, sometimes people are just wrong, but I feel it is better to assume they have another truth, unless their truth destroys or puts down or hurts or is intended to hurt someone, then I feel it is ok to attack their truth. IMO.

This is the way.... Absolutely give others the benefit of the doubt!!! Believe in the Lord and that He'll get through to them the same way He got through to us! He loves us and calls to us. It's so real.
Why do I feel so strongly about that?.... Because that's what the Lord did for me, so I KNOW I have to extend the same to others

[Shawn Henry]

seems plenty of witnesses, I guess to believe them you need the spirit as Jesus says about mysteries.

Legal witnesses, yes, but not spiritual witnesses. God's witnesses are called by him to be witnesses. They are given a knowledge by God that allows them to know and to testify to others that they know, like the 3 witnesses seeing an angel. That's the Law of Witnesses. All those who claim Jospeh taught something did indeed witness him teaching something, but they are not witnesses that it is true.

Parables are not an example of teaching in secret. Parables do have deeper meanings, but all hear the entire parable. It is taught openly, one simply has to invest the time in figuring it out.

[Shawn Henry]

Many here, including myself, wonder why others get a testimony by the spirit of things we know are incorrect.

I think about this a lot. It's so interesting how the spirit speaks in feelings and then we somehow attach whatever words we want to a feeling. I felt the spirit, therefore everything is true. Why is that the interpretation? Why don't we put different words to the feeling? Why can't the feeling simply be telling us to move forward? Or why can't the interpretation be, 'You're on the right track'? 'Keep going in that direction'. 'I'll give you more later when you prayer for more'.

It's like the Hot and Cold game we played when we were little. The saints here the words, "You're getting warmer", and they interpret that to mean that's where they stop because they have their answer. They then sit down where they are at and stop playing the game.

[TheDuke]

Many here, including myself, wonder why others get a testimony by the spirit of things we know are incorrect.

I think about this a lot. It's so interesting how the spirit speaks in feelings and then we somehow attach whatever words we want to a feeling. I felt the spirit, therefore everything is true. Why is that the interpretation? Why don't we put different words to the feeling? Why can't the feeling simply be telling us to move forward? Or why can't the interpretation be, 'You're on the right track'? 'Keep going in that direction'. 'I'll give you more later when you prayer for more'.

It's like the Hot and Cold game we played when we were little. The saints here the words, "You're getting warmer", and they interpret that to mean that's where they stop because they have their answer. They then sit down where they are at and stop playing the game.

The discussion is welcome, but please don't think that I'm looking for you to teach me what truth is. I never made any claim like what you said. In fact, I just said the same thing and a thread about WW having a spiritual event and claiming everything is true. Maybe you missed it?

Most of the time the spirit speaks to me it isn't feelings. Sometimes it is, but it depends on the spirit. I strive for words and sentences or dreams/visions but often only get flashes of knowledge, or it seems places where truth is expanded via the LoC to open my memory of larger things than this earth. But, often it comes with a deep contentment, that is true.