Elder Oaks speaks about the Respect for Marriage Act

[Wolfwoman]

Elder Oaks on why they supported the Respect For Marriage Act.
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[spiritMan]

Elder Oaks on why they supported the Respect For Marriage Act.
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This is awesome. A clearer example of the absolute cluster@#$% the Church has made with this cannot be made. Symbolism happens!

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The first 2 comments on it:

jashonfabia
As a gay LDS from the Philippines who persists proudly and courageously, as most of the LGBTQ+ LDS, against the exhausting and non-progressing flow of the church, I'm tired of this. And I gave up defending that GOD is a God of Love. He made no mistake making us. I'm tired of hearing how exclusive God is for others.
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jeremyosmondbrockbank
After 42 years, we left the church. After learning about the tithing, pushing to legalize sodomy, teaching evolution at BYU, praising evil men in the world, pushing for a poisonous vaccine, we have now found it in the Evangelical church and couldn’t be happier.

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What a bunch of moronic leaders.

[silverado]

Mittens voted for it- so it must be good.

Mike Lee tried to get a different amendment added, one he said would have better protected religious liberties.

[Subcomandante]

I thought it was a good defense of those principles. There are times which I wish the Church would be more forthright in defending traditional marriage but I realize that these times are different now than they were 30, 50 years ago.

[spiritMan]

I thought it was a good defense of those principles. There are times which I wish the Church would be more forthright in defending traditional marriage but I realize that these times are different now than they were 30, 50 years ago.

Dude . . .read the comments. The Church doesn't defend marriage anymore. Members want the Church to push for full acceptance. You are in the minority.

[Subcomandante]

I thought it was a good defense of those principles. There are times which I wish the Church would be more forthright in defending traditional marriage but I realize that these times are different now than they were 30, 50 years ago.

Dude . . .read the comments. The Church doesn't defend marriage anymore. Members want the Church to push for full acceptance. You are in the minority.

In the USA that might very well be the case. Latin America is vastly different, and the same can be said of Asia and Africa.

[spiritMan]

I thought it was a good defense of those principles. There are times which I wish the Church would be more forthright in defending traditional marriage but I realize that these times are different now than they were 30, 50 years ago.

Dude . . .read the comments. The Church doesn't defend marriage anymore. Members want the Church to push for full acceptance. You are in the minority.

In the USA that might very well be the case. Latin America is vastly different, and the same can be said of Asia and Africa.

True . . . but USA drives the World-wide Church and SLC drives the Church in USA. So you are out of luck.

[Subcomandante]

I thought it was a good defense of those principles. There are times which I wish the Church would be more forthright in defending traditional marriage but I realize that these times are different now than they were 30, 50 years ago.

Dude . . .read the comments. The Church doesn't defend marriage anymore. Members want the Church to push for full acceptance. You are in the minority.

In the USA that might very well be the case. Latin America is vastly different, and the same can be said of Asia and Africa.

True . . . but USA drives the World-wide Church and SLC drives the Church in USA. So you are out of luck.

That won't always be the case.

[spiritMan]

Dude . . .read the comments. The Church doesn't defend marriage anymore. Members want the Church to push for full acceptance. You are in the minority.

In the USA that might very well be the case. Latin America is vastly different, and the same can be said of Asia and Africa.

True . . . but USA drives the World-wide Church and SLC drives the Church in USA. So you are out of luck.

That won't always be the case.

It's the case for the foreseeable future.

[Valo]

I thought it was a good defense of those principles. There are times which I wish the Church would be more forthright in defending traditional marriage but I realize that these times are different now than they were 30, 50 years ago.

No times are not different. Time has reminded the same. Arrogance is at the level of Noah's time and mankind is on the verge of finding out that "this ain't no disco!"

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[FoxMammaWisdom]

I agree with this comment

[FoxMammaWisdom]

Is this the same talk as the one on that other thread where he was in a room full of like 20 people and still used a teleprompter? I love how they filmed the audience "pondering his words" so deeply and trying not to look at the camera.

[JandD6572]

I agree with this comment

wait, they are lesbians? how did I miss all this?

[h_p]

He's saying the law protects individuals' right to religious freedom, but that does not appear to be the case. My reading of it only makes allowances for religious institutions. Secular businesses owned by religious individuals are not protected. Christian bakeries, for example, will need to transform their business into a church if they want religious freedom.

Where am I wrong?

[spiritMan]

He's saying the law protects individuals' right to religious freedom, but that does not appear to be the case. My reading of it only makes allowances for religious institutions. Secular businesses owned by religious individuals are not protected. Christian bakeries, for example, will need to transform their business into a church if they want religious freedom.

Where am I wrong?

You are not. The Church "came out" in favor of the "Fairness For All" act, which only protects religious institutions while throwing everyone else under the bus.

[Lizzy60]

He's saying the law protects individuals' right to religious freedom, but that does not appear to be the case. My reading of it only makes allowances for religious institutions. Secular businesses owned by religious individuals are not protected. Christian bakeries, for example, will need to transform their business into a church if they want religious freedom.

Where am I wrong?

You are not. The Church "came out" in favor of the "Fairness For All" act, which only protects religious institutions while throwing everyone else under the bus.

This is exactly what they did in Utah quite a few years ago with their non-discrimination legislation.
Benchmark Books cannot discriminate in hiring a loud and proud homosexual, but Deseret Book can.
Lion House doesn’t need to cater gay weddings or make gay cakes, but every privately-owned bakery in Utah cannot pick and choose.

[h_p]

This is exactly what they did in Utah quite a few years ago with their non-discrimination legislation.
Benchmark Books cannot discriminate in hiring a loud and proud homosexual, but Deseret Book can.
Lion House doesn’t need to cater gay weddings or make gay cakes, but every privately-owned bakery in Utah cannot pick and choose.

I've been curious for a long time now about whether someone can have a gay wedding in that Marriott hotel the church owns in Laie Hawaii--the one that Uchtdorf dedicated.

[Lizzy60]

This is exactly what they did in Utah quite a few years ago with their non-discrimination legislation.
Benchmark Books cannot discriminate in hiring a loud and proud homosexual, but Deseret Book can.
Lion House doesn’t need to cater gay weddings or make gay cakes, but every privately-owned bakery in Utah cannot pick and choose.

I've been curious for a long time now about whether someone can have a gay wedding in that Marriott hotel the church owns in Laie Hawaii--the one that Uchtdorf dedicated.

I would place my bet that gay marriages can be held there. First of all, the anti-discrimination law was passed for Utah. Secondly, Marriott has advertised itself as a fantastic venue for gay weddings and honeymoons and vacations for literally years. Finally, it’s Hawaii. The resort would probably be burned to the ground, at least metaphorically, if it turned away a gay wedding on religious principles.

From their website, specific to the Marriott Laie location:


Additional Hotel Details
Professional property host/manager
Shield between guests and staff in main contact areas
LGBTQ friendly
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[Luke]

Benchmark Books cannot discriminate in hiring a loud and proud homosexual, but Deseret Book can.

Benchmark Books is the best bookshop going. Anyone who lives nearby needs to get down there.

[Subcomandante]

I thought it was a good defense of those principles. There are times which I wish the Church would be more forthright in defending traditional marriage but I realize that these times are different now than they were 30, 50 years ago.

No times are not different. Time has reminded the same. Arrogance is at the level of Noah's time and mankind is on the verge of finding out that "this ain't no disco!"

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Time has not remained the same. 50 years ago it would have been impossible for a man of African descent to get the Priesthood or enter the temple.

Thank goodness a revelation changed that.

Even though there are quite a few characters on the board that did NOT and do NOT support that revelation.

[Down_the_rabbithole]

While I'm not always a fan of the Heritage Foundation (they are often hit and miss), this is a really good article on all the many problems with this "act".

https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-f ... riage-bill

[Wolfwoman]

I agree with this comment

wait, they are lesbians? how did I miss all this?

Rumors. I don’t think anyone has come out of the closet yet. Lol

Wendy and Sheri were single for many years (Sheri still is.) I think someone found that they lived close by each other or something? So the assumption was that they were an item.

Sharon Eubanks has had a friend since her mission. They have been business partners together for a long time. Mimsi followed Sharon to Washington D.C. when she moved there for work. They’ve lived at the same addresses together for many years. One of those websites where you can look people up said they might have been married - probably an algorithm based thing that determined that because of their long history of living at the same addresses. Sharon has been seen on video with a ring on her left ring finger. Their family members’ obituaries mention their friend/business partner/roommate as special mention/ honorary or adopted daughter. Something like that. Then of course Sharon is quite liberal and giddily introduced a queer young women’s president at the BYU women’s conference.

[InfoWarrior82]

I thought it was a good defense of those principles. There are times which I wish the Church would be more forthright in defending traditional marriage but I realize that these times are different now than they were 30, 50 years ago.

No times are not different. Time has reminded the same. Arrogance is at the level of Noah's time and mankind is on the verge of finding out that "this ain't no disco!"

...

Time has not remained the same. 50 years ago it would have been impossible for a man of African descent to get the Priesthood or enter the temple.

Thank goodness a revelation changed that.

Even though there are quite a few characters on the board that did NOT and do NOT support that revelation.

The original policy was not revelation to begin with

[Wolfwoman]

This is exactly what they did in Utah quite a few years ago with their non-discrimination legislation.
Benchmark Books cannot discriminate in hiring a loud and proud homosexual, but Deseret Book can.
Lion House doesn’t need to cater gay weddings or make gay cakes, but every privately-owned bakery in Utah cannot pick and choose.

I've been curious for a long time now about whether someone can have a gay wedding in that Marriott hotel the church owns in Laie Hawaii--the one that Uchtdorf dedicated.

I would place my bet that gay marriages can be held there. First of all, the anti-discrimination law was passed for Utah. Secondly, Marriott has advertised itself as a fantastic venue for gay weddings and honeymoons and vacations for literally years. Finally, it’s Hawaii. The resort would probably be burned to the ground, at least metaphorically, if it turned away a gay wedding on religious principles.

From their website, specific to the Marriott Laie location:


Additional Hotel Details
Professional property host/manager
Shield between guests and staff in main contact areas
LGBTQ friendly
...........................

Yeah, Hawaii has been in favor of gay marriage since the 1990s when the church came out with the proclamation on the family.

[FoxMammaWisdom]

I agree with this comment

wait, they are lesbians? how did I miss all this?

Rumors. I don’t think anyone has come out of the closet yet. Lol

Wendy and Sheri were single for many years (Sheri still is.) I think someone found that they lived close by each other or something? So the assumption was that they were an item.

Sharon Eubanks has had a friend since her mission. They have been business partners together for a long time. Mimsi followed Sharon to Washington D.C. when she moved there for work. They’ve lived at the same addresses together for many years. One of those websites where you can look people up said they might have been married - probably an algorithm based thing that determined that because of their long history of living at the same addresses. Sharon has been seen on video with a ring on her left ring finger. Their family members’ obituaries mention their friend/business partner/roommate as special mention/ honorary or adopted daughter. Something like that. Then of course Sharon is quite liberal and giddily introduced a queer young women’s president at the BYU women’s conference.

Sheri and Wendy bought a $600,000 condo together. They ALSO live a couple houses from each other. There is so much more.