How is it possible for the Q15 to receive a Temple Recommend?
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How is it possible for the Q15 to receive a Temple Recommend?
7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
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Re: How is it possible for the Q15 to receive a Temple Recommend?
For me, an even bigger question is how can any of them claim to be "prophets, seers, and revelators" let alone qualify for a recommend. Their promotion of false and/or watered-down doctrine and the promotion of the vax calling it a "literal godsend" proves none of them are what they claim.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
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Because they are the Church?*InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
* In organisational terms.
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If I sustain them, does that mean that I am also supporting and promoting teachings and doctrines contrary to the church?
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Yes, I know that they are exempt from needing Temple Recommend interviews. But... how can they expect US to answer that question faithfully while they do not even qualify on its face?Niemand wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:28 pmBecause they are the Church?*InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
* In organisational terms.
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Because you are thinking in spiritual terms and they are thinking in terms of the corporation of the president.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:32 pmYes, I know that they are exempt from needing Temple Recommend interviews. But... how can they expect US to answer that question faithfully while they do not even qualify on its face?Niemand wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:28 pmBecause they are the Church?*InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
* In organisational terms.
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Will they tell you that, though?Niemand wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:34 pmBecause you are thinking in spiritual terms and they are thinking in terms of the corporation of the president.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:32 pmYes, I know that they are exempt from needing Temple Recommend interviews. But... how can they expect US to answer that question faithfully while they do not even qualify on its face?Niemand wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:28 pmBecause they are the Church?*InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
* In organisational terms.
I'm curious as to what people think.... what are some possible answers would they give if they were asked this in a press conference?
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I'm sure they'd have some mealy mouthed way to get round it, or say "follow the prophet" or some such.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:42 pmWill they tell you that, though?Niemand wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:34 pmBecause you are thinking in spiritual terms and they are thinking in terms of the corporation of the president.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:32 pmYes, I know that they are exempt from needing Temple Recommend interviews. But... how can they expect US to answer that question faithfully while they do not even qualify on its face?
I'm curious as to what people think.... what are some possible answers would they give if they were asked this in a press conference?
We're on the same page... just I'm looking at the small print in the footnote at the bottom.
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It's easy when you are the one who decides what the gospel is.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
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I am tempted to say yes, the 1st presidency and Q12InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
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Do they even have the little paper? I can imagine several funny scenarios where Jeffrey R shows up at the Temple without one... everyone there would fall all over themselves. Imagine one Barney Fife recommend desk worker who wouldn't let him in?
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I can't believe that this question isn't on the forefront of every single member's mind.
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The very fact that they are democrats prevents them from even being Christian, let alone the total opposition to Christ it proves.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
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When I was in president Monson's Ward the leadership got up one of the days Monson was there in Sacrament, and joked about who interviews who for the temple recommend interview. Does Monson go to his Ward Bishop like the rest of us have to? Everyone chuckled, and the answer was that Monson signs his own recommend. Everybody chuckled and they talked about something else.
If the church wasted the paper and required Monson or any of the other paid leaders to hand over a recommend at the door instead of just letting then in the back door, I'd be shocked. (Monson didn't even use his own front door to his own house, the armed drivers pulled his million dollar Audi with the bulletproof glass up to the back secret gate next to my old house. )
If the church wasted the paper and required Monson or any of the other paid leaders to hand over a recommend at the door instead of just letting then in the back door, I'd be shocked. (Monson didn't even use his own front door to his own house, the armed drivers pulled his million dollar Audi with the bulletproof glass up to the back secret gate next to my old house. )
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He was the bishop of me nameless friends ward, and showed amazing footage in https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=engFoxMammaWisdom wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 4:48 pm When I was in president Monson's Ward the leadership got up one of the days Monson was there in Sacrament, and joked about who interviews who for the temple recommend interview. Does Monson go to his Ward Bishop like the rest of us have to? Everyone chuckled, and the answer was that Monson signs his own recommend. Everybody chuckled and they talked about something else.
If the church wasted the paper and required Monson or any of the other paid leaders to hand over a recommend at the door instead of just letting then in the back door, I'd be shocked. (Monson didn't even use his own front door to his own house, the armed drivers pulled his million dollar Audi with the bulletproof glass up to the back secret gate next to my old house. )
The video has gone missing from YouTube.
Why.
Found it posted in an old thread.
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I agree! I felt like the church abandoned their sheep and Invited the wolves to prey on us.Rumpelstiltskin wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:16 pm
...promotion of the vax calling it a "literal godsend" proves none of them are what they claim.
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This is such an easy one to sidestep unless you are making public protests.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
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What do you mean?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 7:11 pmThis is such an easy one to sidestep unless you are making public protests.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
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It's one thing to say I don't support gay marriage in our institution, and we don't intend on changing that (which is the current position of the Church).InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
It's another to try to influence a government by religious means to accept that religion's definition of marriage and then impose it on the population (admittedly, this was the Church's position up to Prop 8).
The only reason why I think the Church is not more forceful on this stance like it was before is because it still has to run in this telestial world, and having the Church cancelled worldwide would be most inconvenient.
For a similar reason the Church has not openly said that they support Ukraine in their fight against Russia, even going further to mention the current situation there as "an armed conflict" instead of "war" or "special military operation." The Church has tens of thousands of members in both countries. Implying that you take a side or another will cause severe persecution in one side or the other.
In these days, believe it or not, you will get cancelled if you openly oppose the new popular practices of these days. What would happen if the Church and Church leaders all of a sudden had their bank accounts canceled and their monies blocked out? Imagine if the Church had sent a donation to the truckers in Canada, that money would have been frozen and the Church's operations in Canada would be in danger.
Thankfully we have wise people leading the Church, whom God has entrusted with the operation of His Church. I would love the Church to be able to get off of the current system of monies, I would love the Church to be able to build up Zion as the scriptures prophesy.
But until that day comes, we have to live in the realities of this world.
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Sub, that day will come, but not with this church. You’re gonna be waiting a long time if you think this org is going to bring about Zion.
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1. Why didn't they just say nothing?Subcomandante wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 7:53 pmIt's one thing to say I don't support gay marriage in our institution, and we don't intend on changing that (which is the current position of the Church).InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
How can any member of the Q15 answer this question with a straight face after supporting and promoting the federal gay marriage law?
It's another to try to influence a government by religious means to accept that religion's definition of marriage and then impose it on the population (admittedly, this was the Church's position up to Prop 8).
The only reason why I think the Church is not more forceful on this stance like it was before is because it still has to run in this telestial world, and having the Church cancelled worldwide would be most inconvenient.
For a similar reason the Church has not openly said that they support Ukraine in their fight against Russia, even going further to mention the current situation there as "an armed conflict" instead of "war" or "special military operation." The Church has tens of thousands of members in both countries. Implying that you take a side or another will cause severe persecution in one side or the other.
In these days, believe it or not, you will get cancelled if you openly oppose the new popular practices of these days. What would happen if the Church and Church leaders all of a sudden had their bank accounts canceled and their monies blocked out? Imagine if the Church had sent a donation to the truckers in Canada, that money would have been frozen and the Church's operations in Canada would be in danger.
Thankfully we have wise people leading the Church, whom God has entrusted with the operation of His Church. I would love the Church to be able to get off of the current system of monies, I would love the Church to be able to build up Zion as the scriptures prophesy.
But until that day comes, we have to live in the realities of this world.
2. Your logic can be applied to pro abortion laws.
This is not wisdom. This is foolishness.
This is not faith. This is fear.
It was fear that caused them to allow the secret combinations to get above them. And now that they're above them, they dictate to the church leaders what they should support and disavow.
"It's one thing to say I don't support ABORTION in our institution, and we don't intend on changing that (which is the current position of the Church).
It's another to try to influence a government by religious means to accept that religion's POSITION of ABORTION and then impose it on the population."
... And then goes on to publicly, loudly, proudly support a law that allows for the carrying out of such abominations IN THE PROMISED LAND.
Sub, you need to get your head examined if you don't understand the definition of these two words:
Support & Promote. The church most definitely did these two things. Openly and proudly.
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I mean I feel like I can answer the wording honestly with a yes and I don't agree with the Church on a lot of things.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 7:38 pmWhat do you mean?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 7:11 pmThis is such an easy one to sidestep unless you are making public protests.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
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I guess what I'm asking is, is how can THEY (the Q15) answer this specific question?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 8:14 pmI mean I feel like I can answer the wording honestly with a yes and I don't agree with the Church on a lot of things.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 7:38 pmWhat do you mean?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 7:11 pmThis is such an easy one to sidestep unless you are making public protests.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 3:08 pm 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?