Second Anointing Question

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TheDuke wrote: January 28th, 2023, 6:16 pm
Baurak Ale wrote: January 28th, 2023, 6:08 pm
CuriousThinker wrote: January 28th, 2023, 4:28 pm
Baurak Ale wrote: January 28th, 2023, 3:57 pm Baptism is the only ordinance required to enter the Celestial Kingdom, but if you want to obtain the third level of it you must have the second anointing. It can only be performed upon someone who has entered into the new and everlasting covenant of marriage, and that means having at least two living wives at one time. If it were to be performed upon someone vicariously after they died, they should have first had two concurrent wives while in life to qualify for the position posthumously, for they neither marry nor are given in marriage when they are out of this world.
Since the Church no longer practices polygamy, how can all of these Stake Presidents, General Authorities, etc. and their wives be receiving it now or since the ban? Does that not count?

What if those who die before they get married? Do they get a chance, if they are worthy, when they come back during the Millennium?
I would say a monogamist receiving their second anointing is as good as a bag of sand being baptized.

Those who die without marriage were apparently never meant to marry before entering the kingdom (assuming personal agency against marriage was not a factor). God controls the timing of life, and he knows what missions our various spirits agreed to accomplish. Some came with a mission that did not include marriage this time. It is a big risk to come here for the whole reward—exaltation, that is—and some did not want to take that risk, and so they are taken before the time of marriage arrives so they can have the reward they desired. We will see it all clearly someday.
I agree with what you said above about not marrying. I am curious about why you see two wives as necessary.

I also feel this is why the big push for more knowledge during this last dispensation that has been promised. I feel same for baptism. If you were born in ancient Egypt or Assyria, there was a reason. The gospel wasn't on the earth for a reason. With few exceptions the masses didn't warrant the gospel, and few if any will accept it later. Some, will, it seems some are like "mixins" that is they are good people that came then to do good, so they lived as if the gospel was on the earth.

I also feel most people that marry in the temple don't get ratified by HSoP. Again, some do but most don't, many don't even earn CK, let alone highest level. But, that is not an excuse for not trying, as it seems only later in life that C&E and such knowledge may be gained. Long after marrying and living as best you can for decades to find out you're an eternal partnership.

BTW it is baptism of water and the baptism of fire and Holy Ghost.
Yes, Duke, I agree. Most people view their sealing ordinance as having arrived fully, but they are not pronounced kings and queens in that ordinance, so there is more to be done. For more on the two wives, see this blog post: Horite Priest-Kings, the New and Everlasting Covenant, and the Succession Crisis of 1844.

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blitzinstripes wrote: January 28th, 2023, 5:34 pm The description of the Holy of Holies in the Salt Lake temple as described by Boyd K. Packer in his book "The House of the Lord", he stated that the room is used for the higher ordinances of salvation for both the the living and the dead.

This makes it appear as though the church is performing these ordinances vicariously for the dead.

Although the most current first hand descriptions by people who have received "it", it consists of spoken blessings, washing feet, and pronunciation of blessing by husband to wife and wife to husband. No personal appearance of the Lord. No visions. In fact, temple presidents solicit 'nominations' from local stake presidents as whom should receive it. That's the standard LDS second anointing.

Compare that with those whom have actually knelt at the Savior's feet, bathed them in their tears of joy and gratitude, had His own nail imprinted hands placed upon their heads and blessed by His own voice. Followed by visions of glory and blessings unspeakable.

Which one would you rather receive, and which one seems more legitimate?
I have experienced neither of the options provided, but it is not hard to select the correct answer.

You would certainly cloud the question for many TBMs if the first question was posed thusly -

After prayerful consideration, Apostles invite selected couples who have proved through a life time of selfless devotion to the Lord and His Church that they are worthy of the highest blessings of the Kingdom. These people will joint a select group of similarly qualified couples to become introduced into the most holy ordinance performed in the Temple. This ordinance will fortify you to both live out the remainder of your days in faithful service to the Lord and His Church as well as to reach the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom where they will rule and reign forever as Kings and Queens.

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Exclusivity of a higher "Elect" people that's closed off to the rest just wreaks of hypocrisy, corruption, and garbage. Strange how the irony and futility is missed by so many. This is just a big step of a falling institution. It won't be long until it's worse than the Catholic church. When God removes his spirit from the church- in come the demons to prey. You know what they say, The bigger they are....

Does anyone have a source talking about the scope of the anointings that have been done?

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The real second anointing is done by God as we see with the prophets in the scriptures.

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FoxMammaWisdom wrote: January 28th, 2023, 10:27 pm It's the ritual where they give you Nephi God powers - you are given license to commit ANY sin


talk about misunderstanding a scripture. WOW! Why not try reading what is written and tell me how you can commit any sin. Well, you can but you must pay for it yourself. It is clear that if you obtain your C&E and commit any sin you must pay yourself. Without (at least fully) leveraging the atonement. Peter talks of this. D&C talks about being "destroyed in the flesh" or "turned over to the buffetings of Satan".

What part of that is giving license? Most that sin can not even comprehend having to pay the price w/o Jesus taking the penalty.

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