19 is a factor that 38 and 57 have in common.Silver Pie wrote: ↑January 25th, 2023, 3:31 pm When does the SHTF ?
It started at the very end of 2019.
The scent became strong, as demonstration earthquakes began.
The next wave will be unprecedented.
Post by BeNotDeceived »
19 is a factor that 38 and 57 have in common.Silver Pie wrote: ↑January 25th, 2023, 3:31 pm When does the SHTF ?
It started at the very end of 2019.
The Fourth Turning?creator wrote: ↑January 26th, 2023, 11:22 am One example of why I maintain that it is already hitting the fan, and has been for a long time.. think back to WW2 in Germany, Russia, Japan, etc, and all the tyranny, the deaths, the cities destroyed, having to rebuild, start a new life, etc. There are plenty of other examples throughout history, even in the U.S.
It's the Book of Mormon Pride Cycle over and over again.
This is why I think SHTF won't be "on the 10 o'clock news" - it'll be lies right up until midnight, and then suddenly: "survival of the fittest".Matt 24:38 in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Post by Silver Pie »
I think we are fast approaching what we see in two societies in the Book of Mormon - that of violence all over the land and people killing each other until hardly anyone is left. Plus more and more upheaval in nature. Maybe that shift of earth's mantle that I understand is due anytime will happen and uproot and wipe out the most wicked of us.
Post by Cruiserdude »
You're right. It's brewing. These data sets are obviously hand picked to make this point, but the point about our lifestyles is made and is valid, whichever data you choose to look at.mudflap wrote: ↑January 26th, 2023, 12:26 pm All joking aside, I have a bit narrower definition of a SHTF event - I would say SHTF when there's a significant
- unemployment rate - like a "great depression":
~ https://www.infoplease.com/business/lab ... yment-rate
- rise in the death rate over a short time period - such as a major war, or a real pandemic. Covid doesn't count because *everyone* was dying "with" covid. But the clot shot might count - but only if it's eventually reported on GMA or somewhere the sheeple would notice. (1)
For example - here's a SHTF moment - the 1918 flu pandemic - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data-visualiza ... /index.htm look at the spike in the death rate:
But I guess a couple hundred thousand dead WWII soldiers on D-day didn't make much of a blip that year?
(1) They are most likely lying to us - they don't have any incentive to tell the truth, they provably have no morals, and it's in their best interest to lie, so why wouldn't they lie? Apparently, I'm making the point that SHTF has been happening for quite some time. Independent of any graph or statistic or new story: I don't think we're "there" yet for the big event. The only thing that's going on now is the tide is apparently going far, far, far out to sea (in preparation for the biggest tsunami the world has ever seen? maybe....), while we all stand around and gawk at the empty beach (but we should be scrambling for higher ground (i.e.: get out of debt, get your preps ready, find a safe location, build your meatspace network, etc.).
Remember this, though:
This is why I think SHTF won't be "on the 10 o'clock news" - it'll be lies right up until midnight, and then suddenly: "survival of the fittest".Matt 24:38 in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Carry on.
Post by Silver Pie »
...far more risk of deflation than hyperinflation...Juliet wrote: ↑January 26th, 2023, 3:22 pm I think realistically, hyperinflation is coming. I don't think the globalists will allow the economy to collapse so long as they get anything from it. Once hyperinflation does set in, then the dollar will become worthless; and then the economy will finally go back to something that has some kind of value. (Also, it would be a great opportunity for the antichrist to hit us up with the new fed digital id, but hey).
Congress called their omnibus bill "inflation-reduction" but they know inflation is coming. The Ukraine war is allowing trillions of dollars to be made out of thin air as they take out bonds to pay for American weapons and hedge them with hedgefunds with a trillion per billion dollar bond. (William Mount explained this on his recent youtube video for Jan 26).
The globalists just keep winning all because a couple billionaires figured out how to rig our elections and we haven't figured out a way to stop it.
So, given the scenario you've laid out, just how important are the mountains, and what is their role in the whole equation? I've been thinking a lot about that lately, and trying to completely wrap my mind around the strategic advantage(s) of the mountains, because at this point I'm actually having a hard time thinking that the advantage will be that the existing inhabitants of that region are simply more "righteous" than everyone else.Jason wrote: ↑January 26th, 2023, 7:21 pm My in a nutshell guess is prophecy will be fulfilled and they will fill the pit they've dug. Part of that is them turning on each other or as the scriptures state...they'll feed on their own flesh.
System (control structure) will collapse in the process. Then it will be small scale warfare in abundance as everyone fights to conquer their own local hill and be king for the day.
Due to good folks and some repentance (plague, some good natural disasters, wars, 70 lb hailstones, etc)...along with structure and Priesthood...Zion will get created and carved out here in the rockies and will eventually spread over the rest of the land.
Europe not so lucky and just mobs of people killing each other (scorched earth). I'm also guessing that the few good folks left will group together and will be preserved by a highway created from the deep so the lost tribes can escape and cross over.
Christ will return at some point in there creating a spiritual burning that causes the dark ones that are left to try and hide themselves deep in the earth...half a Millennium of missionary work...nice stint of fruit being gathered in...then 150 years of darkness...and then righteous raised up and literal physical burning of the earth...
Could go on...and Cleon laid out a nice template of governance for the rockies side of things...but then it would cease to be a nutshell...and certainly want to keep the nut intact...
Post by Silver Pie »
Sideways of your question -
Thank you. This is interesting. And I'll check-out the videos. But as I look at the map, it appears to simply be more "elevation" related than tied to the "tops" of the mountains. Looks to me like essentially anything above about 2000' elevation would fall within the depicted safe zone. That is, indeed, the kind of stuff I'm trying to ferret-out with these kinds of questions.Silver Pie wrote: ↑January 26th, 2023, 8:30 pm
Sideways of your question -
According to this guy, only the tops of the mountains not next to oceans will be safe if the earth's mantle shifts. He's quite interesting. White parts are safe parts if the oceans rise (but this video doesn't count tsunamis). The blue parts are under water.
He isn't talking "global warming". He's more about the magnetic field around the earth weakening, and the sun shooting out a solar flare that will be worse than the Carrington event because we have computers and a whole lot of electronics that can be fried. He doesn't talk about that in this video, though.
For anyone interested, I'd recommend going to his channel and seeing what he has. Most of his videos are short.
5 min, 10 seconds
Post by Silver Pie »
If you add in the tsunamis the way he talks about them, the safe zone might rise a lot higher.
Sure, although the real cause of that "flu pandemic" is debatable. Scientists proved viruses are not contagious in 1918. I suspect it was caused by radiation (from radio transmission / broadcasting).mudflap wrote: ↑January 26th, 2023, 12:26 pm For example - here's a SHTF moment - the 1918 flu pandemic - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data-visualiza ... /index.htm look at the spike in the death rate
Given that we know that the destructions decreed begin among the Saints:tmac wrote: ↑January 26th, 2023, 7:55 pmSo, given the scenario you've laid out, just how important are the mountains, and what is their role in the whole equation? I've been thinking a lot about that lately, and trying to completely wrap my mind around the strategic advantage(s) of the mountains, because at this point I'm actually having a hard time thinking that the advantage will be that the existing inhabitants of that region are simply more "righteous" than everyone else.Jason wrote: ↑January 26th, 2023, 7:21 pm My in a nutshell guess is prophecy will be fulfilled and they will fill the pit they've dug. Part of that is them turning on each other or as the scriptures state...they'll feed on their own flesh.
System (control structure) will collapse in the process. Then it will be small scale warfare in abundance as everyone fights to conquer their own local hill and be king for the day.
Due to good folks and some repentance (plague, some good natural disasters, wars, 70 lb hailstones, etc)...along with structure and Priesthood...Zion will get created and carved out here in the rockies and will eventually spread over the rest of the land.
Europe not so lucky and just mobs of people killing each other (scorched earth). I'm also guessing that the few good folks left will group together and will be preserved by a highway created from the deep so the lost tribes can escape and cross over.
Christ will return at some point in there creating a spiritual burning that causes the dark ones that are left to try and hide themselves deep in the earth...half a Millennium of missionary work...nice stint of fruit being gathered in...then 150 years of darkness...and then righteous raised up and literal physical burning of the earth...
Could go on...and Cleon laid out a nice template of governance for the rockies side of things...but then it would cease to be a nutshell...and certainly want to keep the nut intact...
Next question is, exactly what/where would you define (or consider to be) "The Rockies"? Somewhere (everything?) between the Continental Divide and the Sierra Nevadas?
In Idaho, with the Snake River, etc., you might be a whole lot better off, but at this point, the whole state of Utah, for example, does not produce enough food to support its own population, so that's a factor. Same with Nevada, and probably Colorado. Shorter growing seasons and harsher winters are part of that. But, the reality is, aside from the mountains, the rest of it is a pretty arid climate that produces relatively little without irrigation. Are Utah, Colorado and Nevada capable of feeding 10,000,000 people, even on their best day? But at this point, without a whole lot of serious repentance, why would God bother to save Colorado and/or Nevada? Or even Utah, for that matter?
But if repentance is the only key, what advantage do the mountains provide? Why would repentant folks in other locations not also qualify for protection? What is it about the mountains? The "Boys from the mountains, who will ride in and save the Constitution"? What boys? What elders? Where are they?
I know we've got prophesies, but when I look at present conditions in the current state of "Zion," I'm just trying to wrap my mind around all of it, including the purported strategic advantage of the mountains in the overall divine scheme of things, and what the conditions will be that create that advantage.
Thoughts?
AND given that the bulk of the concentrated population of the Church will probably remain in Utah, I think it's safe to assume Utah is set for some kind of wonderful destruction. From the wording of this section, a plague seems to fit the best, since it "begins" and then "goes forth". That sounds like a plague, right? It doesn't sound like an earthquake, or a meteor, or a flood - in fact, we know from other scriptures that a flood over the whole earth is not in the plan since it already happened and was promised to never happen again.D&C 112:23 darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face.
24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.
25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;
26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.
Allegedly it's because of all the lithium mining they want to do there.tmac wrote: ↑January 27th, 2023, 6:22 am Obviously Utah politicians put little stock in any theory involving the return of Lake Bonneville. At this point, they believe that the Great Salt Lake completely drying up is the greatest existential threat to life on the Wasatch Front, to the point that that they are wanting to divert as much money and water as possible to the GSL.
I know - I was raised with the same info:tmac wrote: ↑January 27th, 2023, 7:39 am Sounds good. I’m following your reasoning, and can’t really disagree. But how do the mountains factor into the equation? It has long been believed that the mountains would provide some form/level of protection. So, I need someone who feels like they’ve got a handle on it to talk me through it.
I'm not sure the mountains offer much protection at this point, what with an international airport, a major N-S interstate (I-15), and 2 major E-W interstates (I-80 and I-84), Utah is just as susceptible to plagues as anywhere else. They are long overdo for a large (6.0+) earthquake. And I would add "cleansing". God can protect whomever he wants, wherever he wants - and destroy in the same manner. Physical barriers aren't a barrier to God's decrees.we're safe in these mountain valleys
4. The plagues spread out from Utah to the rest of the world. Maybe the world finally has had enough American Imperialism, so they invade what's left of the USA.For the earth was smitten that it was dry, and did not yield forth grain in the season of grain; and the whole earth was smitten, even among the Lamanites as well as among the Nephites, so that they were smitten that they did perish by thousands in the more wicked parts of the land.
"And again I heard the mysterious voice saying `Son of the Republic, look and learn.' At this the dark, shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth, and blew three distinct blasts; and taking water from the ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia and Africa. Then my eyes beheld a fearful scene: From each of these countries arose thick, black clouds that were soon joined into one. Throughout this mass there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men, who, moving with the cloud, marched by land and sailed by sea to America. Our country was enveloped in this volume of cloud, and I saw these vast armies devastate the whole county and burn the villages, towns and cities that I beheld springing up. As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannon, clashing of sword, and the shouts and cries of millions in mortal combat, I heard again the mysterious voice saying, `Son of the Republic, look and learn.' When the voice had ceased, the dark shadowy angel placed his trumpet once more to his mouth, and blew a long and fearful blast.
"Instantly a light as of a thousand suns shone down from above me, and pierced and broke into fragments the dark cloud which enveloped America. At the same moment the angel upon whose head still shone the word Union, and who bore our national flag in one hand and a sword in the other, descended from the heavens attended by legions of white spirits. These immediately joined the inhabitants of America, who I perceived were will nigh overcome, but who immediately taking courage again, closed up their broken ranks and renewed the battle.
"Again, amid the fearful noise of the conflict, I heard the mysterious voice saying, `Son of the Republic, look and learn.' As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped water from the ocean and sprinkled it upon America. Instantly the dark cloud rolled back, together with the armies it had brought, leaving the inhabitants of the land victorious!
"Then once more I beheld the villages, towns and cities springing up where I had seen them before, while the bright angel, planting the azure standard he had brought in the midst of them, cried with a loud voice: `While the stars remain, and the heavens send down dew upon the earth, so long shall the Union last.' And taking from his brow the crown on which blazoned the word `Union,' he placed it upon the Standard while the people, kneeling down, said, `Amen.'
"The scene instantly began to fade and dissolve, and I at last saw nothing but the rising, curling vapor I at first beheld. This also disappearing, I found myself once more gazing upon the mysterious visitor, who, in the same voice I had heard before, said, `Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted: Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third, but in this greatest conflict the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land and the Union'. With these words the vision vanished, and I started from my seat and felt that I had seen a vision wherein had been shown to me the birth, progress, and destiny of the United States.
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