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I keep running into the etymology for the name “Israel” being “one who sees God” or sometimes just “one who sees.” Found out it traces back to Philo (contemporary with Jesus), who is supposed to have merely be using it as something that was commonly understood.

Funny thing is...it corroborates D&C 101:12 perfectly.

And in that day all who are found upon the watch-tower, or in other words, all mine Israel, shall be saved.

The watch-tower is associated anciently with having one’s eyes anointed in order to be able to see.

This also hails back to the animal parable of Enoch, where the children of Israel are the sheep. When the judgement comes, the “blind sheep” are thrown into the pit in the presence of God and the angels.

Pazooka wrote: ↑December 24th, 2022, 12:15 pm I keep running into the etymology for the name “Israel” being “one who sees God” or sometimes just “one who sees.” Found out it traces back to Philo (contemporary with Jesus), who is supposed to have merely be using it as something that was commonly understood.

Funny thing is...it corroborates D&C 101:12 perfectly.

And in that day all who are found upon the watch-tower, or in other words, all mine Israel, shall be saved.

The watch-tower is associated anciently with having one’s eyes anointed in order to be able to see.

This also hails back to the animal parable of Enoch, where the children of Israel are the sheep. When the judgement comes, the “blind sheep” are thrown into the pit in the presence of God and the angels.

Cool verse. I didn't know about this this verse in the D&C. I learned that all Israel will be saved from the Bible and D&C where it is clearly taught. Anyone who is born under the Abrahamic covenant will be saved, not lots of them, all of them. That promise is what was given to Abraham when talking about his seed numbering as the stars.

I don't want to look up all the references, but here's an example of where this is taught. The two points Paul is making is that all of Abraham's seed (singular) is under the promise, not some of his seeds (as if there where many/plural). And, God cannot make a promise and then break it. God cannot give a promise and then later add a contingency or new requirement for that promise, (move the goal posts). Because the the promise was made first and Abraham met all the criteria that God gave to obtain that promise, God is bound to keep the promise. The promise applied to all the seed or posterity of Abraham, before they were born. Law of Moses was given over 400 years after the promise was made and all the criteria were met to obtain the blessings of the promise. The criteria were given to Abraham to meet. and not to his seed. The law which was given over 400 years later cannot disannul the promise making it of no effect because that would make God a liar, (moving the goal posts and setting new criteria after the original had been met).

Gal. 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

~Seeker

Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 27th, 2022, 11:36 am Anyone who is born under the Abrahamic covenant will be saved, not lots of them, all of them. That promise is what was given to Abraham when talking about his seed numbering as the stars.

Isn’t Jesus contradicting this when he says:
And do not think you can say to yourselves, “We have Abraham as our father.” I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham

Why was there friction between Peter and Paul?

Pazooka wrote: ↑December 27th, 2022, 7:44 pm

Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 27th, 2022, 11:36 am Anyone who is born under the Abrahamic covenant will be saved, not lots of them, all of them. That promise is what was given to Abraham when talking about his seed numbering as the stars.

Isn’t Jesus contradicting this when he says:
And do not think you can say to yourselves, “We have Abraham as our father.” I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham

Why was there friction between Peter and Paul?

Because the people were still under the law. The rest of the chapter tells us the law was added because of transgression or because they had fallen spiritually and that the law will be taken away when it is no longer needed because they have come to Chris and become worthy of the promise themselves.

But the law can still not undo the promise of God given before. This is the reason Israel is the blessed nation whom God works with repeatedly. And He will work with them until they are all saved.

~Seeker

Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 29th, 2022, 9:30 am

Pazooka wrote: ↑December 27th, 2022, 7:44 pm

Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 27th, 2022, 11:36 am Anyone who is born under the Abrahamic covenant will be saved, not lots of them, all of them. That promise is what was given to Abraham when talking about his seed numbering as the stars.

Isn’t Jesus contradicting this when he says:
And do not think you can say to yourselves, “We have Abraham as our father.” I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham

Why was there friction between Peter and Paul?

Because the people were still under the law. The rest of the chapter tells us the law was added because of transgression or because they had fallen spiritually and that the law will be taken away when it is no longer needed because they have come to Chris and become worthy of the promise themselves.

But the law can still not undo the promise of God given before. This is the reason Israel is the blessed nation whom God works with repeatedly. And He will work with them until they are all saved.

~Seeker

That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense since Abraham was given that promise before Moses was even a twinkle in his father’s eye.